EPTI feel bad criticizing them because they seem like swell people, but they seem like fans of the game that cast it, not experts at casting or experts at analysis.
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
I feel bad criticizing them because they seem like swell people, but they seem like fans of the game that cast it, not experts at casting or experts at analysis. | ||
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SpinmovE
Canada119 Posts
On February 26 2012 11:37 GatorGar wrote: I would like to see better casters next time around. Having 4 b-team casters is unacceptable for $20. Rob Simpson, Robin, Tumba, and the dude casting with Tumba are hard to watch. Lots of "Uh's" and not a lot of insight. I would seriously rather watch eliminated players cast than those guys. edit: Wrong predictions every 10 seconds in the early game on the Tumba steam. Just lame, on the whole. Out of all of the points in the thread this is the one I agree with the most. Tumba's podcast is great and all but his insight into the game is not. It's personally not a problem for me hearing him spout off incorrect predictions, at least when he is talking about protoss, but for less involved and skilled players/spectators I could certainly see it being confusing. As an example there were a few times when he would say that I protoss was in a bad spot at 120 supply vs a 140 supply zerg going mass roach. That's just bad casting as the protoss is most likely in a very advantageous position with that supply differential. Robin's voice is irritating to me personally so I didn't listen to streams he was casting and can't really give an opinion on his casting. Rob Simpson I find enjoyable to listen to as a caster, he usually has decent insight into the game, at least not making large mistakes, and plays well off of every other caster that I have seen him partnered up with. Really, the point I'm trying to make here is this; When I am paying a fairly large fee for a broadcast, at least compared to the normal fee of nothing, I expect to be able to watch the match I want to watch, and I want that match to be casted by someone that knows his shit. A lot of the matches that I held interest in weren't casted by Tasteless/Artosis/Rob/JP/DJwheat, all of which I feel do at least an adequate job. When they were casted by one of the B-team casters it was still enjoyable to an extent, but I feel as though I shouldn't have to worry about the casting at all when I am paying for the broadcast. Regardless it has been very enjoyable to watch and worth the money to me. Though to be honest that is not so much because I feel that MLG has done anything impressive or special for this event and more so that they have lucked out extremely hard and had extremely good games, a lot of which were upsets with foreigners coming out on top. I will very likely buy the next MLG arena ticket even if it is also priced the same but I would hope that they can increase the quality of the presentation quite a bit. If they don't and the games played don't turn out to be as impressive as they are this time around, I might not be coming back again. The last thing I want to say is this. This event does not seem better then the circuit events. I hope that is because it is the first one, and with the presumed success with this one the rest will be better. I hope the money poured into the event and I hope MLG pours that money right back into the next arena because currently, the price for this event compared to other similar events makes it seem very overpriced. EDIT: OH YEAH! I forgot to mention how absolutely awesome it is when they toss a question to a pro player off camera about a game they just watched and get his insight into it. Or when they went through the replay with CatZ. Lots, lots, lots more of that in the future please. Artosis is great at what he does, but the pro players have a different way of seeing what is going on in a game much of the time, and it is amazing to hear their insight. Although CatZ has seemed a little awkward in this role I have a feeling he would grow into it very well and I would like to see him continue doing it at every MLG arena. This coming from someone that isn't even a CatZ fan. Just do it more, please :D. | ||
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corpuscle
United States1967 Posts
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faulty
Canada204 Posts
- I don't feel like I'm getting my money's worth with B casters like Tumba (not enough game knowledge etc.). I could listen to him if he was hosting a weekly cup or something, but for 20$ PPV. Adebisi was great but Robin (was it?) had some crazy head gesturing going on. They are not main streams, but if this PPV boasts 80 hours of content, then the main stream should be just as good as C. The casters should not be deterring me from choosing the match I want to see. -LOVED when the main stream would shoot it off to another duo sitting across the room to get further thoughts on the match. Although the first day, that corner looked unsightly but it looks like they fixed that tonight with proper lighting  - Quad view was great, I just wished there was a pause button on the streams to avoid having to remove a stream I'm not watching, but still be able to pop back in to check if another match started on that stream. -extended series etc. Overall I don't think it wasn't worth 20$; maybe 10$, 15$ is pushing it. Its just too expensive for an arena event, no matter how many streams/casters/tasteless quotes they're may be. To be honest, if the next arena is still 20$, I'll probably buy it again, but I'll feel as though MLG is abusing their hold on NA esports. | ||
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Duravi
United States1205 Posts
As for the event itself, it has been great, I pooled the $20 with 3 friends and next time I will probably just pay for it myself. The production has been stepped up a notch, and as a whole the casting has been great. | ||
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Canti_the_Angel
United States55 Posts
Edit: The VoDs also end during some big engagements and its hard to determine a winner... | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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figq
12519 Posts
Glad to see you prepared video content for players (Naniwa and Leenock). It should pay off to pick a few major players for each event and prepare such content in advance, then cast it before important match of theirs. Please allow your interface to full screen one stream muted, while other(s) are unmuted without even being seen. I couldn't make it and had to use separate windows directly from Twitch instead. Please allow for custom layout resizing of windows, if possible. Otherwise again it's better to use the streams directly from Twitch in separate windows, instead of your optional layouts. Very important: as others mentioned, there should be some (adjustable) way for the system to alert you when some match is beginning on a stream, so you know to switch streams. Keeping all of them at all times is heavy for many computers or connections. Highly appreciated that your system automatically adjusts the quality of streams based on chosen layout. That's very smart and saves a lot of time. It would be nice if further customizing of the according quality associations was possible. (I mean customizing the defaults per layout; obviously you can still manually adjust each window, but the defaults save time) | ||
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Wafflelisk
Canada1061 Posts
Add me in to the crowd that doesn't like the b casters. Quite unfortunate that all the streams are viewable for free. $20 is a significant amount of money to almost completely throw away. Other than that, this tournament's been absolutely amazing so far. Incredible roster, great maps, great games. | ||
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deth
Australia1757 Posts
Is anyone else struggling with the vods? | ||
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Happystreet
550 Posts
On February 26 2012 14:25 Doodsmack wrote: The problem with all these caster complaints is that caster preference is ALWAYS going to be VERY subjective. Saying that "better casters" should be recruited if the price is going to be $20 is basically a pointless thing to say because not everybody's preference aligns with yours. Clearly there is a hefty amount of subjectivity involved if people are criticizing Tumba or any other caster for lack of game knowledge but not Tasteless. Literally 50-60% of what Tasteless says is wrong. I still love him but it's the truth. Whenever you hear Artosis go "mmm" it's because he knows what Tasteless just said was wrong but he's not going to argue with it lol. I agree by i think Tasteless makes up for it by being a great co-caster, having a good strong voice and quite often being funny. | ||
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hicser
United Kingdom109 Posts
Please sort this out, im not one to nit pick over minor problems but im pretty pissed off about this since im mostly paying for the vods due to the time of the live cast. | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On February 26 2012 14:25 Doodsmack wrote: The problem with all these caster complaints is that caster preference is ALWAYS going to be VERY subjective. Saying that "better casters" should be recruited if the price is going to be $20 is basically a pointless thing to say because not everybody's preference aligns with yours. Clearly there is a hefty amount of subjectivity involved if people are criticizing Tumba or any other caster for lack of game knowledge but not Tasteless. Literally 50-60% of what Tasteless says is wrong. I still love him but it's the truth. Whenever you hear Artosis go "mmm" it's because he knows what Tasteless just said was wrong but he's not going to argue with it lol. I don't think it's so much a matter of being "wrong". Tasteless was a very good player at one time remember. He just sucks at explaining himself. Artosis has this great ability to articulate complicated concepts. For me he's the real standout in the Starcraft casting world. He's as good as any sports caster on the BBC, ESPN etc... I echo what people are saying. I really liked it when after a match they opened it out to the other analysts; that was a really cool and professional thing to do. But the quality of the casters make a HUGE difference to the overall quality of the production. When you have someone like Tasteless going ummm, urrr, *pause*, uhh it's just not very good and ruins the flow. God bless the guy but he isn't a natural caster, he's been thrown into an environment that doesn't suit him. If they want to charge proper PPV money, they need PPV quality analysis and casting that compares with other sports. It was lacking in my opinion. | ||
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ceaRshaf
Romania4926 Posts
- big lag from twitch i think. I had to watch in 480 though I can watch 1080p on other streams without a problem - some of the vods have the end cut off - the white rooms and the close web cams that make the casters almost hug gives such a small production value feel - the in between discussions seem forced some times, because the second pair of people don't seem really interested and usually have nothing to say - the player cams have no ambient light and their body is just a silhouette and looks like a image from a "guess the player" card. I like the red vs blue theme - not too many interviews and random interesting discussions and activities - the dr.pepper stream is like a big brother camera where nothing happens. Just showing players looking bored gives a bad feel - people can watch it for free without even trying to hack it. PPV has one flaw that can make it not work.. That one. - no restream option besides the vods split by matches - no interviews uploads to see them next day | ||
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Grend
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Rannasha
Netherlands2398 Posts
On February 26 2012 14:22 Canti_the_Angel wrote: I managed to fix up my stream quality so its not as laggy and doesnt lag me out. That changed my opinion a lot. But I do only have one question, Why are the VoDs only available in 480p? Edit: The VoDs also end during some big engagements and its hard to determine a winner... For me there's a quality-option with the VoDs that has 480p and "Best". The latter seems to be a fairly crisp 1080p. | ||
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Dundron2000
Sweden1140 Posts
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Zabimaru
United Kingdom132 Posts
I have reasonable net ~12 down ~1up from Australia, and I'm having problems with the vods.. absolutely unwatchable freezes every 0.5 seconds and a 5 minute buffer gives me 20 seconds of footage almost. Is anyone else struggling with the vods? Same, the vods unwatchable for me and there is no quality option. | ||
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
What is he even doing casting at events? Are all the other casters friends with him? Does Blizzard want him there? Sure, he's comfortable in front of a camera and I'm sure some people find him funny, but if that's all you want then go hire a comedian. | ||
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Farakes
34 Posts
+ ingame video quality + options is really good + multifeed options + lineup + casting archon + votings for winning predictions via twitter+phone + interviews + filler content was ok + good schedule with no real problems and downtimes + with dailight the room with the nice panoramic view over the city was awesome room to improve : big : - need ingame director, look at st_legend from gsl - extended series needs to go - the one stream with the webcam was not really good, webcam framerate was choppy and the cam tried to refocus every few seconds. minor : - player intros + stats, look at gsl again - more announcements after games which games are on on other streams - pricing was a bit high but acceptable for a start (10-15 will be an instantbuy for me in the future) - vod upload sometimes delayed - in the night the room with the panoramic room gave reflections from bots screens in the window, cheating possiblities? (im not saying anyone did that) - pre and postgame interviews needs to be put into the vods (maybe an automatic system for the future?) - when a stream has downtime put in some "can footage", highlite reels form players involved in the upcoming game come into mind. - the overall "look and feel" was a bit more homestory cup than bigtime production | ||
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