EPTBut I suck at it.
I generally have no idea what to do... and I read all these guides on TL.net, and I just want a general game plan for every mu.
Please, TL, save me. ;~;
Sincerely, Gold League Terran
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BlueBoxSC
United States582 Posts
But I suck at it. I generally have no idea what to do... and I read all these guides on TL.net, and I just want a general game plan for every mu. Please, TL, save me. ;~; Sincerely, Gold League Terran | ||
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InvincibleRice
United States38 Posts
First off: http://drop.sc/112891 TvP, I 1raxFE into 2port banshees (probably a bad idea) and die to a 4gate pressure. My perceived problems: Bad macro. I pull SCVs, but send them back right before his pressure. I don't have enough production. I should have scouted better? Second off: http://drop.sc/112892 TvZ, hellion expand into banshee harass into thor/hellion/tank/banshee. Opponent goes roach/ling/muta. My perceived problems: Poor crisis management. Bad macro. Bad map awareness. Poor understanding of how to execute a hellion expand. Thirdly: http://drop.sc/112893 TvZ. Hellion expand into banshee harass into thor/hellion/banshee. Opponent goes roach hydra. My perceived problems: Bad macro. Carelessness. I suck? Again, I'd appreciate it if anyone could explain to me why exactly I lost and what I should look for when looking at my own replays. Also, be warned, I'm only diamond, so it can look pretty ugly at times. | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On February 15 2012 20:23 saaaa wrote: Do you have any replays of the MKP style? i think this sounds interesting.. i normally do the mvp build with rely on thors+bf hellion in fact no gas fe -> reactor hellion fe into thor+bf hellion maybe tanks later... I do a combination of the 3OC build of mkp, mvp and puma... it's like no gas fe -> reactor hellion fe -> siegemode+tanks asap after 4hellions -> add 2 rax -> 2 ebays i think you can hold any roach ling aggression with it because u will have 2-3 tanks with sigemode when it hits but i think about the thorzain 16 gas to be safe against ling bling attacks... If you're confident in your micro ling/bling should not be a threat as long as you scout it. There is a vod, it was the last AoL, MKP vs DRG on metropolis. I can send you my own replay if you're interested, tho it's at a way lower lvl (mid/high master) | ||
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Ariion
Poland50 Posts
I'm mostly interested in something like blue flame expand. Is it viable? How is countering banshees with this build (will I have starport for vikings just in time)? Is holding tank pushes early game easy or do I have to do something special? | ||
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ToastieNL
Netherlands845 Posts
On February 17 2012 02:31 Ariion wrote: I'm looking for opening for Mech TvT. I'm mostly interested in something like blue flame expand. Is it viable? How is countering banshees with this build (will I have starport for vikings just in time)? Is holding tank pushes early game easy or do I have to do something special? I like to go Reactor Hellion Expand (as in TvZ), add a 2nd and 3rd Factory as recourses allow and than add a 2nd and 3rd refinery. You should have 4 Tanks + siege mode out reasonably fast. I don't know if it's a good build, it's just what works for me in Diamond. | ||
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KenDM
Netherlands206 Posts
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kranten
Netherlands236 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On February 16 2012 08:52 InvincibleRice wrote: I'm having trouble really figuring out what I do wrong or right in my games. Win or lose, all I see is "bad macro." While I know my macro is bad, I'd really appreciate another set of eyes to tell me how to critically review my games. First off: http://drop.sc/112891 TvP, I 1raxFE into 2port banshees (probably a bad idea) and die to a 4gate pressure. My perceived problems: Bad macro. I pull SCVs, but send them back right before his pressure. I don't have enough production. I should have scouted better? Hi InvRice! I took a look at your TvP replay for you, and created a coaching VoD: Twitch.TV link: http://twitch.tv/blazinghand/b/308769140 Embedded Video (youtube): + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BH0Ou-BeDTg Mostly Comprehensive Written Notes: + Show Spoiler + Why did you lowground the CC? 2 gasses before mor rax is risky you're cutting some marines-- also risky you're banking resources, make more barracks the fact that you have like 9 marines when he pressures you is the reason you lose. Teching up to banshees like that without making banshees, or tanks, or any sort of ground defense, or even having 1 rax of marine production constantly, will cause you to lose to any pressure. you pulled scvs too early, losing critical mining time look at gumiho vs puzzle GSl 2012 season 1 Ro8 for a better way that gets tanks to defend Hope this helped. On February 17 2012 03:03 KenDM wrote: Anyone please explain to me why I lost this match. In Gods name, what did I do wrong? I had the preperations for a 4 gate up a long time before he came. I had the upgrades, I had the medivacs, I had the bunkers. http://drop.sc/113236 Hi KenDM! I took a look at your TvP replay for you, and created a coaching VoD: Twitch.TV link: http://twitch.tv/blazinghand/b/308771197 Embedded Video (youtube): + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKTG0UObRQM Mostly Comprehensive Written Notes: + Show Spoiler + try not to put barracks at ramp since they impede defense good work not attacking up his ramp this looked like a 4gate I would have liked to see a stimpack get detection move scvs to natural for both mining and repairs try making an arc of 3 bunkers Micro: don't have medivacs in front if most of your army is behind, pull back the front guys and amove the back guys don't walk around a forcefield like that, walking will reduce your DPS lack of stimpack also killed you | ||
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KenDM
Netherlands206 Posts
Also, another long match I just had. I was in front of this guy in some aspects, behind in others. But I was leading in eco, I was also dropping him like a madman. I was splitting his attention. I also destroyed his upgrade structures so he was stuck on 1-1. I had enough vikigns for his colossi and had a lot of marauders. What could i have done? It seemed like the perfect match for me too  http://drop.sc/113353 | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On February 17 2012 06:26 KenDM wrote: Thanks Blazinghand! I watched the VoD, it explained a lot to me. Stimpack. But when to decide what I want to have? For early pressure against a FE Protoss the CS should be better (also according to Day 9), but how do I scout what he's going in time for my decision of CS vs Stimpack? Shields first wasn't the problem-- after you finished shields, your tech lab was idle, and you had over 100/100 in the bank, starting at 8:15. If you started stim then, it'd have been done at 11:05, well before the final fight began. | ||
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KenDM
Netherlands206 Posts
On February 17 2012 06:31 Blazinghand wrote: Shields first wasn't the problem-- after you finished shields, your tech lab was idle, and you had over 100/100 in the bank, starting at 8:15. If you started stim then, it'd have been done at 11:05, well before the final fight began. This build relies on Stim being ready when the first two medivacs pop out (I know, it still wasn't ready then...), but do I have enough money for it though? | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On February 17 2012 06:34 KenDM wrote: This build relies on Stim being ready when the first two medivacs pop out (I know, it still wasn't ready then...), but do I have enough money for it though? you had over 100/100 in the bank during those three minutes. | ||
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KenDM
Netherlands206 Posts
On February 17 2012 06:39 Blazinghand wrote: you had over 100/100 in the bank during those three minutes. Cool, I'll try and focus on getting all three upgrades on time next match. Also, Day9 explains that it's important for the opponent to see I'm 2 raxing WITH a reactor, because that way he'll make more stalkers which this build anticipates on. | ||
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Mali__Slon
Senegal163 Posts
What could i benefit most from is some really good build order. Often times when i hit road block (like in zvt a while ago) i try to use completely new approach and focus on it. | ||
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Andreas
Norway214 Posts
On February 17 2012 09:35 Mali__Slon wrote: I am diamond player coming from looong slump in tvt, its my absolute worst matchup. I am something like 1/10 in tvt. What could i benefit most from is some really good build order. Often times when i hit road block (like in zvt a while ago) i try to use completely new approach and focus on it. Here's a good 2-base tank marine build that will get you quite far. Practice it hard and you'll find that you'll win with it even without taking a third. Polt does this build quite often on his stream. Open 1rax expand, add 2 more barracks and go double gas. Get combat shields and stim, get an ebay for +1 and turrets in case of banshees and add 2 reactors. Get a factory when you can, put a reactor on the factory while you build a starport, give the reactor to the starport and start a tech lab on the factory for tanks. After 2 medivacs, lift the starport and build a barracks on the reactor. After combat shields and stim finishes, lift the barracks, build a 2nd factory on the tech lab and build a reactor with the barracks. So in the end you'll have 4 barracks with reactors, 2 factories and 1 starport as well as 1/1 upgrades. Add an armory for more upgrades, take a third when you can afford it and add more barracks. Keep in mind you will need to alter this build if your opponent is going mech. | ||
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Kid-Fox
Canada400 Posts
On February 17 2012 09:35 Mali__Slon wrote: I am diamond player coming from looong slump in tvt, its my absolute worst matchup. I am something like 1/10 in tvt. What could i benefit most from is some really good build order. Often times when i hit road block (like in zvt a while ago) i try to use completely new approach and focus on it. There is an excellent 111 TvT build that you can find in colDrewbie's strategy guide. It's basically 111, no addons, pumping out marines hellions and a medivac. You attack with ~8marines, 3 hellions, and a single medivac, and it effectively deals with anything they send at you (unless he comes from the back with like 3 reapers and 3 hellions and a medivac). You can transition into 1base banshees, 1base tank push, fast expand, all sorts of junk. Marine tank or Pure mech are both viable. | ||
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InvincibleRice
United States38 Posts
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Darpa
Canada4413 Posts
How do people open against Zerg these days? I see literally every korean hellion expand. But basically you do no damage and then he makes 4 zerglings and a wall with spines and pumps 70 drones while you cant do anything about it. Then they just pump infestors and win with harassment or big fungals. It happens in literally all my tvz's. I need an opening that I can cause damage and still expand in the process (i.e not one base pushes). I also have no idea how to deal with infestors. Tanks are ok on two player maps, because you have way less room it doesnt take you 5 hours to creep up to the base. On any 4 player map its so hard to play against infestors with tanks because by the time you tank hop up, hes got way more units and you lose your timings. Ghosts are ok with snipe, but emp never hits more than 1 or 2, but im struggling getting ghosts up without severly hurting my unit count in the early to mid game. Any suggestions on how to open aggressively without hurting your economy to badly? | ||
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KenDM
Netherlands206 Posts
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BlueBoxSC
United States582 Posts
On February 16 2012 08:52 BlueBoxSC wrote: Okay, I'm switching to Terran because I love the race, I love the players, I love the people, and I love the style. But I suck at it. I generally have no idea what to do... and I read all these guides on TL.net, and I just want a general game plan for every mu. Please, TL, save me. ;~; Sincerely, Gold League Terran No one saw this. | ||
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