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On January 14 2012 01:44 Chaosquo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 01:32 Palmar wrote:On January 14 2012 01:27 Chaosquo wrote:
a) you are mafia and dont care about the game Prove it. I was just commenting on your playstyle. I was just following the meta on you (town=vocal, scum=lurking), but seeing as you were quite active as "scum" in resistance, I retract my statement. But still posting one-liners is not helping much, no?
Why do you retract? How do you know my "meta"?
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On January 13 2012 22:46 Macpo wrote:
2. Reading the whole 5 pages of debate, I noticed a few things. First is Cyber_cheese. What's the point of attacking Mr Wriggles from the beginning? that doesn't help for town cohesion at all (even more if it's a "joke"). it just looks like he wants to create a mess. Other people seem to have similar concerns with him, so maybe this is something worth discussing alltogether. So what do you think? Cyber, if maybe, could you say a word about this?
In my first game on TL, I didn't believe Palmar/Jackal when they said something was a joke. I was voting to lynch Palmar. He was the second most town looking person in the game, and flipped medic.
Take from that what you will.
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Palmar, would you kindly answer the questions I've asked you? Your life could very well be on the line sir. 
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On January 14 2012 02:55 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 02:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 13 2012 18:25 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On January 13 2012 16:43 bumatlarge wrote:On January 13 2012 16:32 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On January 13 2012 14:36 Foolishness wrote:+ Show Spoiler [campaign post] +This is my official campaign post!It is all very simple! No, I am not running for office. My campaign is based around voting for the one and only Bill Murray! Let's face it, there are many people (L) who are going to run on the basis of lynching Bill Murray. Do we want to make such a rash decision this early in the game? Time has shown that such policy lynches are just a distraction from our true purpose of scum hunting. In order to save Bill Murray from such an easy day 1 lynch, I propose we save him by putting him in office. Now before you go on making propositions that I have just smoked a pound of weed, consider the situation our beloved Bill Murray is in. As his first game back, we know for sure he's going to be top notch. This is his chance to prove to the old members that he's changed and proved to the new members that he's a respectable player. Thus we can expect him to bust out his A+ game. He knows that if he nails a few mafia this game he'll have turned from village idiot into village hottie. Who would you rather have in office? Someone like Bill Murray who is probably spending 14 hours a day figuring out who is mafia or someone like kitaman27 or bumatlarge who will just put forth the same normal effort we'd expect from an elected official? Bill Murray is the real deal, and we know he'll be the real deal. Who knows how much effort Cyber_Cheese really wants to put in this game. Definitely not as much as Bill Murray will! A vote for Bill Murray is a vote for the town! Now what if our esteemed actor turns out to be mafia? Don't worry, as a proven scumhunter, I will dedicate enormous amounts of my time to making sure Bill Murray is indeed town. And he has a lot of games under his belt for comparison. Of course I will also be doing my usual scumhunting, so do not fret. But we can be sure that Bill Murray will be posting frequently (hopefully not too much) and will be active in his duties, especially given what I've said above. Is kitaman only going to make 2 posts a day if he gets elected in? Maybe. Will Bill Murray? No of course not. And we all know that the more someone posts the more likely their true colors show. If Bill Murray turns out to be mafia it shouldn't be long before it becomes obvious. If he's not, we got an easily confirmed innocent in office who at the very least will make the entire mafia team facepalm. And a mafia team with their palms on their faces will be unable to type. You can make the right choice! Vote Bill Murray!+ Show Spoiler + Bill Murray hasn't even posted yet. Why are you so sure you want him elected? On January 13 2012 15:08 Adam4167 wrote:
Ill be waiting for Bill Murray to show up to the thread before I even consider him or his candidacy.
So far I'm leaning towards voting for Cheese, as he is one of the few people in this game I have experience with. I am more likely to recognize his scum play if he is scum and, lets face it, he has a flaming pony as his campaign picture.
So Cheese, since you opened the game with a vote on Wiggles, and he is now also running for mayor, will you be hanging him upon your election? No, that was a joke based on his always scum reputation. I will lynch the scummiest candidate. On January 13 2012 15:09 bumatlarge wrote:On January 13 2012 15:08 Adam4167 wrote:
Ill be waiting for Bill Murray to show up to the thread before I even consider him or his candidacy.
So far I'm leaning towards voting for Cheese, as he is one of the few people in this game I have experience with. I am more likely to recognize his scum play if he is scum and, lets face it, he has a flaming pony as his campaign picture.
So Cheese, since you opened the game with a vote on Wiggles, and he is now also running for mayor, will you be hanging him upon your election? I have successfully ruled this person out as mafia. I am good at this game. Explain. On January 13 2012 14:07 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
A couple notes about the set-up:
Elected roles gain detection immunity. This makes it worse for us if mafia get into one of these roles, as we have no way to DT check them. It also means that the GF probably won't run for office, or if he does, he'll drop out early. Between the mayor and the sheriff, the sheriff is the one who actually has power past day 1. So, one thing we can do, is vote in a player that we see as both a strong townie, and as being town in this game, into the mayor role solely for the purposes of protection. This applies to the sheriff too, but there's more responsibility on them as the game goes on due to the jailkeeper mechanic.
Also something to note, is that we can't trust vig claims, due to the possibility of mafia jack's, who would be able to shoot and not affect what KP would show up that night coming from the mafia.
We should also maybe talk about when to use our double lynches, but I don't think it's a huge deal until when the time comes that we might actually want to use them. We just need to be careful not to waste them.
Vote me into office, please. I disagree, the mayor still has a fair amount of power as the game gets closer to LYLO. On January 13 2012 15:29 GGQ wrote:On January 13 2012 13:49 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Oh fail, didn't realise there was elections...
##Unvote
I'm going to run for mayor.
Lynch all lurkers/liars is standard pre-game chat, and it's mostly useless. Let's skip that.
It's all too situational, and we rarely follow through with it. This post is also bad. Rather than calling my posts bad, try adding something to the discussion. Are you running for mayor? If so, details. If not, what do you think of the candidates? Also, bum is directing blues already? planning ahead that much seems scummy... One more thing, if anyone was even considering it, don't run for mayor based on being a blue. It gives the scum too much information on day 1, and it could be scum lying. He's posting with a positive attitude and he didnt squeem at all at the prospect of lynching wiggles. Plus he took your lameness seriously :D I'm not planning ahead THAT much, and running for mayor as blue is perfectly reasonable reasoning. Unless a vanilla townie is very good, there is little reason for him to run over a townie. I find cheese's posting rather scummy so far. He seems rather content with stepping on peoples posts this game with not much regard to his own. I will review his case. I'm reading through and commenting on peoples play, yes. It was to draw out some reasons behind actions and thoughts that I'm trying to understand the motivation behind. On January 13 2012 17:10 Bill Murray wrote:
It is not Foolishness's game
I don't see how it is a moot point whatsoever
I am not going to create a huge wall post, and sound like a high school football coach
cyber_cheese is confirmed scum in my eyes. If I'm elected mayor, I'm lynching him
He's acting like I haven't posted at all, when my post is right above his. To further his agenda, he's attacking bumatlarge for coaching power roles, when in his own post, he goes on to tell power roles to not run for mayor based on being power roles. Hypocrisy, and scum skimming, are just the icing on the cake, however. I had a scum read on him the minute he tried to get a lynch pushed through on Mr Wiggles, and then took his vote back when he realized it was for mayor. He was trying to get a mislynch pushed through for his scum team in my eyes. If he's town, oh well, he didn't even read any of my posts DIRECTLY ABOVE HIS, and he has not only proven he isn't reading, but already contradicted himself. At the time I was making that post, you hadn't posted. I made a joke about lynching Wiggles. Bum looked like he was ready to focus the elections around power roles. I was discouraging that situation. On January 13 2012 17:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 13 2012 17:10 Bill Murray wrote:
It is not Foolishness's game
I don't see how it is a moot point whatsoever
I am not going to create a huge wall post, and sound like a high school football coach
cyber_cheese is confirmed scum in my eyes. If I'm elected mayor, I'm lynching him
He's acting like I haven't posted at all, when my post is right above his. To further his agenda, he's attacking bumatlarge for coaching power roles, when in his own post, he goes on to tell power roles to not run for mayor based on being power roles. Hypocrisy, and scum skimming, are just the icing on the cake, however. I had a scum read on him the minute he tried to get a lynch pushed through on Mr Wiggles, and then took his vote back when he realized it was for mayor. He was trying to get a mislynch pushed through for his scum team in my eyes. If he's town, oh well, he didn't even read any of my posts DIRECTLY ABOVE HIS, and he has not only proven he isn't reading, but already contradicted himself. eh? not that I want to start the first huge argument of the thread but. Do you agree that it is possible for someone to change their style? I am willing to give cheese about 20ish-30ish more minutes to respond to you before I make up my mind on him as well, I know my giant post was written as you posted 3 times. If he posts within the next bit of time badly or doesn't I will have him on a shit list. Making up your mind on someone not even a quarter of the way into the first day? Seems legit. On January 13 2012 18:02 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:I was debating what to do with my 3k but I couldn’t think up of anything fast enough so this is it Anyway, I am running for mayor as well. At the moment, I do not most of the mayor candidates. I don’t like Cyber_Cheese because his reasoning for him being mayor is weak in my opinion. Saying that you should be elected because your scum play is bad isn’t very inspiring. His other argument is that he’ll be active (nice trait for a mayor to have but everybody should be active), also he says he’ll lynch the scummiest mayor candidate which I don’t like because one of the mayor candidates may not be the best choice. Yes, being bad at scumplay isn't inspiring. I haven't shown off my town prowess on this forum yet, so I don't have any epic winning streaks to brag about. Suffice it to say votes on me aren't misplaced. Everyone *should* be active in theory, but things can come up, and I guarentee that won't happen with me Scum will run for mayor, and more than likely they will be scummier than most of town. If we inspect the candidates closely, we can easily discern at least one. wtf is this post? Your post is nothing if not confrontational without saying anything important. You attack someone earlier for not adding things to the discussion of the thread however you fail to do so here. You want to be elected yet your primary posting style at the moment is to make a massive quote post with 1 line explaining your take on a specific quote. In some cases, 1 word. This is not the behaviour indicative of someone the town would want to lead them. To quote you "I haven't shown off my town prowess on this forum yet, so I don't have any epic winning streaks to brag about. Suffice it to say votes on me aren't misplaced" As the way you are playing now all votes on your are misplaced. You are not posting in a manner that is inherently decent. You are not posting frequently with decent contented posts to get a solid read on you. You are not actively attempting to assert a mark on the role that puts you in a spotlight for good reasons. You are in a spotlight because you are insanely shifty in the eyes of many players. EVERYONE should not be voting cybercheese unless he turns his game around now. Even if he is townie and he is insanely good he should know that his posts at the moment are terrible and are not ones that indicate the qualities someone who would be a good leader. As for my take on the other candidates. At the moment I am willing to get behind either meapak, BM, or bumatlarge. of the current people running, each of them has shown they can be active, make intelligent posts, and have clear ones that help get a general read on them. Everyone should be giving their take on who of the current candidates would make the best mayor. This way we can lower the total people "running" by taking the top 3 or 4 choices and voting as opposed to having 7-8 people running. Yes it's less helpful than it could be. That does not mean there was no content. Bill Murray needs to explain his read, and why it convinced him so much for starters. BC, who would you vote for right now and why? Moreover, who would you lynch, and why?
It is a style of posting that does not, in my opinion, warrant the gain of mayor or pardoner. If the only style of posts you are able to make are the type you are then nothing seperates you from how say, ggq is posting. In my experience and my own thoughts, a leader should be a strong prominent poster. This means everyone has a ton of information on you based on your actions that in some cases could be scum reads or town based on how your opinion lines up (did your analysis snag a green not red, etc...) A leader has to be contributing in a way that puts them above and behind that of your average player and puts the strain to always perform on them.
As for who i would vote for, already answered although I havent chosen which of the 3. For lynch at the moment? I have you, palmar and gqq on my initial list, but with such a small amount of time passed no one has posted enough to get a solid read on.
I do expect more out of incog at this point in time however.
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On January 14 2012 02:46 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 02:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 14 2012 02:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
BC, if you're town I think you'd make a fine Mayor - especially if you're as active as you've been so far this game. My issue with you is solely based on meta - you like most of the other vets tend to not play until D3 when information is high and chance for mistakes is low. There's NOTHING WRONG with that, it gets results...but I'm interested in a candidate who is going to be playing the game ALL game...not just D3 on. Eh? in smaller games with a core group of players where they are decent enough to dodge a solid read until d3 is why at least I typically am not active till then. However. In larger games right from the getgo you have to be active. More new people, more people to hide in (as such people tend to slip up more as there is a level of security). As such by being active now and analyzing and calling people out you can snag them early or catch someone before they start getting coached by their team if red. This is something I like doing if at all possible. I do appreciate your concern so I would levy you this question. Provided I do everything I said I will in my campaign post, as well as continue being active all through day 1 (as thats all we have to vote on) would you be willing to vote for me? Absolutely - I've made my concerns for you known and if you prove them to be unfounded then I'll absolutely support your bid. What's it going to take to get your support for mine? 
Stay consistent in what you promised and "out perform" the other 3 i have listed in that regards. You are a newer name and I know you are more easily manipulated than myself or the other 3 i listed.
However, if you can prove to me via actions that you care more about the town than the other candidates I would vote for you. Active players are key for the elected roles, experience is also a huge bonus, but just having someone who will not jump out for a few days doesn't help anyone. In that you were correct.
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On January 14 2012 03:05 VisceraEyes wrote:Palmar, would you kindly answer the questions I've asked you? Your life could very well be on the line sir.
No, your questions are dumb.
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I'd like to hear more from candidates about who they think might be scummy. Keep it comming, everyone.
I won't vote someone who is not telling me who he thinks is scummy. Having a single guy the candidates are suspicious of is a start but I'd idealy have a bunch of names (like 3?).
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I was trying to quote Palmar's hasty reaction and the fact that he supports someone who typed a one liner that Cyrandor would be scum on the basis that Wiggles' campaign might be the best.
I will format better in the future.
So far BC and BM have the most solid cases for mayor.
BC-He has been active as he promised so far, is beggining to scumhunt, and ,,I am accountable for my actions'' has convinced me more than the generic things VE, risk, sandroba have been posting.
BM-Now I don't know who this guy is, but one thing i'll give him: He had initiative at the start of day 1, built up a believable case against CC trying to force a mislynch, has some support from the town.
Still, I will be waiting about 8 more h to decide on my vote.Hoping to see more from those 2
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On January 14 2012 03:16 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 03:05 VisceraEyes wrote:Palmar, would you kindly answer the questions I've asked you? Your life could very well be on the line sir. No, your questions are dumb.
All right - consider lynching Palmar as part of my platform. If you elect me to office, I promise to lynch scumPalmar as my first act.
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On January 14 2012 03:30 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 03:16 Palmar wrote:On January 14 2012 03:05 VisceraEyes wrote:Palmar, would you kindly answer the questions I've asked you? Your life could very well be on the line sir. No, your questions are dumb. All right - consider lynching Palmar as part of my platform. If you elect me to office, I promise to lynch scumPalmar as my first act.
See, dumb and bad.
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I get the feeling palmar is trying to cover up scumplay by playing too much like his scumplay. You know what I mean?
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The Day 1 Important Discussion Post #1
Read this post fully before posting. It is something that everyone must read, and that everyone must comment on
That is right friends, this post as I am writing it is near one of the most important posts of this game day. You are going to ask? Why BC? Simple. I am about to do something that will cause people to yell and scream at me. I am roleclaiming.
I am mason
Note what I have done?
I have now put myself from the statistical chance of flipping a town aligned role of 80%ish and lowered it to a solid 50%.
I am now either 50% red or 50% blue.
I am doing this for a few reasons.
1) in this game there could exist masons on both sides of the equation. As such dealing with them early is key as they work behind the scenes of the game.
2) it is a confirmable role, stress this point, ROLE. I can confirm my role at the beginning of a day cycle as opposed to at the end of a day cycle
3) I am being transparent. By giving this information now, reading me becomes far easier. There will never be the "is he blue trying to breadcrumb etc..?"
4) goes along with 3, however it outs one of the masons now. It stops the discussion later of people discussing all the people who are masons and who is believable late game whereas we can cover at least one of them now
This also sets the town up in a very advantageous way. Why you ask?
I am elected and now town knowingly knows I am active in pms.
I am not elected and not auto lynched by mayor and same information is known.
It also forces the mafia to deal with me as they have no idea what I am doing in pm land. Do they try and kill who I am talking to? Do they use their own masons and attempt to find out what I have said, etc....
This I feel is the most advantageous day 1 use of my ability. I have already used my mason use for the day and will say who I used it on after this post in the nearish future. I am leaving who it is out as the purpose is to generate discussion on my claim, not on who I chose to mason to. As to detail of why I did this aside from the general points I made? Everyone will have an opinion on this claim. Some good, some bad. People will have to have an opinion on this subject however. EVERYONE will have an opinion. Do not just post "wtf bc you dumb fuck why would you do this". This is a debate about me specifically being a mason and if I should be elected, not elected and lynched, or not elected and left for the mafia to deal with me.
All vets, all new players, all semi experienced players will have an opinion and it is needed. Anyone who fails to properly contribute on this matter. I have thought this claim out and realize that generally claiming day 1 is bad, however I feel at least with this mechanic and how it could be abused it should be discussed (especially with a high profile player such as myself possessing it) now and not later.
On the most important note that this post will do however is generate serious discussion. How do you all wish to proceed with a mason claim? Specifically my mason claim?
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On January 14 2012 00:53 kingjames01 wrote:
Third, you're actually agreeing with me in essence. I'm saying that if they sneak in a Bodyguard, it will be risky to take out the elected officials. However, to make it harder for them, they should be revealed from the beginning. What if both elected officials are killed and we have 0 clue as to who the Bodyguards were? Are you okay with that risk?
Finally, are you stating for the record that if you were elected, you would not reveal your Bodyguards?
I think there is a greater chance of the elected officials getting killed off due to claiming the bodyguards publicly, than there is of the scum double substituting bodyguards. There is also the mason threat that the scum team has to worry about if they want to shoot into the officials. Even if we did make them public, it makes a lot more sense to reveal only one, rather than both of them. I don't forsee myself revealing them.
Several people have passed on my campaign because of my comment on my town play, explaining that there are other better alternatives. It is uncomfortable to talk about how great oneself is, but I take that comment back. I've carried town in multiple games, gotten night 1/2 hit in three of the last four, and have been as consistent with my reads in recent games as any player: bugs/role (couples), GM/Caller (PYPI), foolishness/chaos/palmar (PTP), majority of scum team (XXXVIII/HP). I'm not as wordy as Meapak or as aggressive as BC, but I think my town results are just as good.
VE, you mention that you're voting BM because he is scumhunting. Does this mean you agree with his case on cyber_cheese?
Less spam please Palmar. It has gotten to the point of being disruptive. Would you address the concerns that a town Palmar would want to be elected and have control over the lynch?
Someone asked me earlier what I would base the lynch on. It would be someone who is talking about neutral topics, summarizing others opinions, or attempting to blend in. On day one, I think its far easy to find someone who isn't posting with town motives, than it is to find someone posting with scum motives. Jayjay's remarks on Echelon potential forced post was nice considering I was thinking the same thing. I'm not willing to pass off Foolishness's BM post as "town, because no mafia would ever do it". Slardar shouldn't be allowed to get away with his opening post and d3's BM policy lynch is weak.
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On January 13 2012 13:45 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Something seems wrong...
I didn't autoscum :O
Speaking of auto-scum
##Vote MrWiggles
This is the post BM is pushing as Cyber_Cheese trying to "force a mislynch"
This post is very obviously a joke based on site-meta...Mr. Wiggles rolls scum A LOT and I for one giggled when CC posted this. Anyone who says BM's case on CC trying to "force a mislynch" of Mr. Wiggles is assuming 2 things:
1) CC was serious about that vote, and
2) Mr. Wiggles is automatically town.
Both of these things are ridiculous to assume at this point in the game. I'm inclined to believe Mr. Wiggles is town based on his posts myself, but when CC had posted this, and subsequently when BM called him scum for it, Wiggles hadn't posted ANYTHING.
If anything, I'd say it makes BM suspicious for knowing that Wiggles is town and CC was pushing a "mislynch".
Think, guys.
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On January 14 2012 03:33 kitaman27 wrote:
Less spam please Palmar. It has gotten to the point of being disruptive. Would you address the concerns that a town Palmar would want to be elected and have control over the lynch?
Those concerns are dumb.
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BC, I consider your claim to be scummy for this reason: you're essentially leveraging your role to win you this election. Discuss.
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On January 14 2012 03:33 kitaman27 wrote:
VE, you mention that you're voting BM because he is scumhunting. Does this mean you agree with his case on cyber_cheese?
Absolutely not. It's the action I like, not the content. You ninja'd me, but I've spelled out my concerns with his target in a post above this one. I do NOT agree with his case on CC.
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On January 14 2012 03:30 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 03:16 Palmar wrote:On January 14 2012 03:05 VisceraEyes wrote:Palmar, would you kindly answer the questions I've asked you? Your life could very well be on the line sir. No, your questions are dumb. All right - consider lynching Palmar as part of my platform. If you elect me to office, I promise to lynch scumPalmar as my first act.
You said you wanted your first lynch to be a town decision? Where is this logic now? Not that this is scummy just shitty mayor play
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