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On January 11 2012 16:39 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 16:34 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
The only thing you were right about here is that only Blues needed to claim since everyone else simply fell into the "other" category. I don't know how exactly that paints me as scum, or why you think I wanted my plan to fail at all, but whatever. Maybe if I didn't have a job and I was able to defend my plan from the first minute it was posted until the last possible minute I would of been able to shutdown these mind numbing responses I was forced to read and respond to hours after the fact when I knew it was too fucking late. This is why I claimed my role since I hoped it would trigger others to do it as well because I knew I didn't have the time to argue through the entire day to convince the first blue to claim which would be a pain in the ass without unanimous support as I obviously wasn't going to have with the aforementioned mentality being so omnipresent. Case 1) RoL's plan is to have the 4 blues claim, but the town partially rejects his plan. In this case, nobody claims, no harm done. Case 2) RoL's plan is to have everyone claim, but the town partially rejects his plan. In the case, some vts claim, giving the scum information. Why would you structure your plan in a way that is distinct only insofar as it can harm town?
I see your point, and it definitely was another approach to it. But having EVERYONE claim helped debunk your second issue of a counterclaim. If we forced everyone to claim as opposed to just the blues I viewed it as likely to get us more accurate claims and less likely to get a counterclaim overall since the scum couldn't wait until all the "blues" had claimed and then decide what to do, as soon as they were active, if the plan was accepted they would be expected to claim green/blue.
And once again, I viewed it as a bit of a gamble to get it rolling in the short time span (20ish hours) I had to get it going. I tried to use my claim as a hinging point that others would jump on, it clearly didn't work because I knew it hinged off the first few responses which were all negative.
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On January 11 2012 16:41 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 16:37 Blazinghand wrote:On January 11 2012 16:34 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
The only thing you were right about here is that only Blues needed to claim since everyone else simply fell into the "other" category. I don't know how exactly that paints me as scum, or why you think I wanted my plan to fail at all, but whatever. Maybe if I didn't have a job and I was able to defend my plan from the first minute it was posted until the last possible minute I would of been able to shutdown these mind numbing responses I was forced to read and respond to hours after the fact when I knew it was too fucking late. This is why I claimed my role since I hoped it would trigger others to do it as well because I knew I didn't have the time to argue through the entire day to convince the first blue to claim which would be a pain in the ass without unanimous support as I obviously wasn't going to have with the aforementioned mentality being so omnipresent. The thinly-veiled ad hominem was unnecessary. I'm honestly disappointed in you. This post is just to say that. If only I was streaming, you could of seen me reword it for niceties around 4 times.
Look, here's a point i'm going to make-- even now, most of the town believes your plan was bad. It doesn't matter whether or not you were around at the time to defend it, even now that you have, people are AT BEST saying "well at least RoL himself thought it was a good plan" as their defense of you.
Nobody likes your plan. It's bad, and it causes serious issues for town.
It's not even the best version of the plan. It's the version that when it comes off the way it does, gives the scum a lot of extra info they shouldn't have.
It's anti-town.
Like you.
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On January 11 2012 16:45 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 16:39 Blazinghand wrote:On January 11 2012 16:34 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
The only thing you were right about here is that only Blues needed to claim since everyone else simply fell into the "other" category. I don't know how exactly that paints me as scum, or why you think I wanted my plan to fail at all, but whatever. Maybe if I didn't have a job and I was able to defend my plan from the first minute it was posted until the last possible minute I would of been able to shutdown these mind numbing responses I was forced to read and respond to hours after the fact when I knew it was too fucking late. This is why I claimed my role since I hoped it would trigger others to do it as well because I knew I didn't have the time to argue through the entire day to convince the first blue to claim which would be a pain in the ass without unanimous support as I obviously wasn't going to have with the aforementioned mentality being so omnipresent. Case 1) RoL's plan is to have the 4 blues claim, but the town partially rejects his plan. In this case, nobody claims, no harm done. Case 2) RoL's plan is to have everyone claim, but the town partially rejects his plan. In the case, some vts claim, giving the scum information. Why would you structure your plan in a way that is distinct only insofar as it can harm town? I see your point, and it definitely was another approach to it. But having EVERYONE claim helped debunk your second issue of a counterclaim. If we forced everyone to claim as opposed to just the blues I viewed it as likely to get us more accurate claims and less likely to get a counterclaim overall since the scum couldn't wait until all the "blues" had claimed and then decide what to do, as soon as they were active, if the plan was accepted they would be expected to claim green/blue. And once again, I viewed it as a bit of a gamble to get it rolling in the short time span (20ish hours) I had to get it going. I tried to use my claim as a hinging point that others would jump on, it clearly didn't work because I knew it hinged off the first few responses which were all negative.
Um, if there's a counterclaim, it's the same situation-- 5 blues, and they claim roles. Your method is just worse for town, and has been worse for town.
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On January 11 2012 16:45 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 16:41 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On January 11 2012 16:37 Blazinghand wrote:On January 11 2012 16:34 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
The only thing you were right about here is that only Blues needed to claim since everyone else simply fell into the "other" category. I don't know how exactly that paints me as scum, or why you think I wanted my plan to fail at all, but whatever. Maybe if I didn't have a job and I was able to defend my plan from the first minute it was posted until the last possible minute I would of been able to shutdown these mind numbing responses I was forced to read and respond to hours after the fact when I knew it was too fucking late. This is why I claimed my role since I hoped it would trigger others to do it as well because I knew I didn't have the time to argue through the entire day to convince the first blue to claim which would be a pain in the ass without unanimous support as I obviously wasn't going to have with the aforementioned mentality being so omnipresent. The thinly-veiled ad hominem was unnecessary. I'm honestly disappointed in you. This post is just to say that. If only I was streaming, you could of seen me reword it for niceties around 4 times. Look, here's a point i'm going to make-- even now, most of the town believes your plan was bad. It doesn't matter whether or not you were around at the time to defend it, even now that you have, people are AT BEST saying "well at least RoL himself thought it was a good plan" as their defense of you. Nobody likes your plan. It's bad, and it causes serious issues for town. It's not even the best version of the plan. It's the version that when it comes off the way it does, gives the scum a lot of extra info they shouldn't have. It's anti-town. Like you.
So instead of bringing this up as an addendum, you bring it up now after the fact to criticize me? That's so productive. You were here, you have like 10 pages of filter to read, you had every opportunity to try and build on or rip down my plan, yet I recall rarely ever responding to you up until now, when shit doesn't matter anymore.
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On January 11 2012 16:49 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 16:45 Blazinghand wrote:On January 11 2012 16:41 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On January 11 2012 16:37 Blazinghand wrote:On January 11 2012 16:34 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
The only thing you were right about here is that only Blues needed to claim since everyone else simply fell into the "other" category. I don't know how exactly that paints me as scum, or why you think I wanted my plan to fail at all, but whatever. Maybe if I didn't have a job and I was able to defend my plan from the first minute it was posted until the last possible minute I would of been able to shutdown these mind numbing responses I was forced to read and respond to hours after the fact when I knew it was too fucking late. This is why I claimed my role since I hoped it would trigger others to do it as well because I knew I didn't have the time to argue through the entire day to convince the first blue to claim which would be a pain in the ass without unanimous support as I obviously wasn't going to have with the aforementioned mentality being so omnipresent. The thinly-veiled ad hominem was unnecessary. I'm honestly disappointed in you. This post is just to say that. If only I was streaming, you could of seen me reword it for niceties around 4 times. Look, here's a point i'm going to make-- even now, most of the town believes your plan was bad. It doesn't matter whether or not you were around at the time to defend it, even now that you have, people are AT BEST saying "well at least RoL himself thought it was a good plan" as their defense of you. Nobody likes your plan. It's bad, and it causes serious issues for town. It's not even the best version of the plan. It's the version that when it comes off the way it does, gives the scum a lot of extra info they shouldn't have. It's anti-town. Like you. So instead of bringing this up as an addendum, you bring it up now after the fact to criticize me? That's so productive. You were here, you have like 10 pages of filter to read, you had every opportunity to try and build on or rip down my plan, yet I recall rarely ever responding to you up until now, when shit doesn't matter anymore.
So you admit your plan is terrible then.
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On January 11 2012 16:50 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 16:49 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On January 11 2012 16:45 Blazinghand wrote:On January 11 2012 16:41 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On January 11 2012 16:37 Blazinghand wrote:On January 11 2012 16:34 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
The only thing you were right about here is that only Blues needed to claim since everyone else simply fell into the "other" category. I don't know how exactly that paints me as scum, or why you think I wanted my plan to fail at all, but whatever. Maybe if I didn't have a job and I was able to defend my plan from the first minute it was posted until the last possible minute I would of been able to shutdown these mind numbing responses I was forced to read and respond to hours after the fact when I knew it was too fucking late. This is why I claimed my role since I hoped it would trigger others to do it as well because I knew I didn't have the time to argue through the entire day to convince the first blue to claim which would be a pain in the ass without unanimous support as I obviously wasn't going to have with the aforementioned mentality being so omnipresent. The thinly-veiled ad hominem was unnecessary. I'm honestly disappointed in you. This post is just to say that. If only I was streaming, you could of seen me reword it for niceties around 4 times. Look, here's a point i'm going to make-- even now, most of the town believes your plan was bad. It doesn't matter whether or not you were around at the time to defend it, even now that you have, people are AT BEST saying "well at least RoL himself thought it was a good plan" as their defense of you. Nobody likes your plan. It's bad, and it causes serious issues for town. It's not even the best version of the plan. It's the version that when it comes off the way it does, gives the scum a lot of extra info they shouldn't have. It's anti-town. Like you. So instead of bringing this up as an addendum, you bring it up now after the fact to criticize me? That's so productive. You were here, you have like 10 pages of filter to read, you had every opportunity to try and build on or rip down my plan, yet I recall rarely ever responding to you up until now, when shit doesn't matter anymore. So you admit your plan is terrible then.
Cause, you know, that's what everyone else thinks.
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On January 11 2012 16:46 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 16:45 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On January 11 2012 16:39 Blazinghand wrote:On January 11 2012 16:34 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
The only thing you were right about here is that only Blues needed to claim since everyone else simply fell into the "other" category. I don't know how exactly that paints me as scum, or why you think I wanted my plan to fail at all, but whatever. Maybe if I didn't have a job and I was able to defend my plan from the first minute it was posted until the last possible minute I would of been able to shutdown these mind numbing responses I was forced to read and respond to hours after the fact when I knew it was too fucking late. This is why I claimed my role since I hoped it would trigger others to do it as well because I knew I didn't have the time to argue through the entire day to convince the first blue to claim which would be a pain in the ass without unanimous support as I obviously wasn't going to have with the aforementioned mentality being so omnipresent. Case 1) RoL's plan is to have the 4 blues claim, but the town partially rejects his plan. In this case, nobody claims, no harm done. Case 2) RoL's plan is to have everyone claim, but the town partially rejects his plan. In the case, some vts claim, giving the scum information. Why would you structure your plan in a way that is distinct only insofar as it can harm town? I see your point, and it definitely was another approach to it. But having EVERYONE claim helped debunk your second issue of a counterclaim. If we forced everyone to claim as opposed to just the blues I viewed it as likely to get us more accurate claims and less likely to get a counterclaim overall since the scum couldn't wait until all the "blues" had claimed and then decide what to do, as soon as they were active, if the plan was accepted they would be expected to claim green/blue. And once again, I viewed it as a bit of a gamble to get it rolling in the short time span (20ish hours) I had to get it going. I tried to use my claim as a hinging point that others would jump on, it clearly didn't work because I knew it hinged off the first few responses which were all negative. Um, if there's a counterclaim, it's the same situation-- 5 blues, and they claim roles. Your method is just worse for town, and has been worse for town.
It was the idea of having the scum under pressure and making them act more impulsively. I preferred a scenario without a CC and wanted to do what I thought would minimize that chance. There are certain things I didn't wish to say because I didn't want scum to realize things that could be mildly irksome. But even those things that could put little bumps in my suggested plan weren't significant enough to turn it into a losing strategy for us.
And as an aside, that perceived ad hominem wasn't directed entirely at you. It was a general complaint at me rehashing the same points in at least 5-6 posts because kept bringing up the same (wrong) issue.
But seriously, we are spamming the thread. I am honestly going to sleep this time and not F5ing until 8 hours from now if not more.
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On January 11 2012 16:52 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
And as an aside, that perceived ad hominem wasn't directed entirely at you. It was a general complaint at me rehashing the same points in at least 5-6 posts because kept bringing up the same (wrong) issue.
and this one?
On January 11 2012 16:23 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 15:38 Blazinghand wrote:
RoL don't think I haven't taken my eye off you though >.> ![[image loading]](http://reecesrainbow.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/13p98.jpg) How could I ever forget this gaze incessantly staring at me?
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I think you're scum and under pressure, and you're out of arguments, and all you've got left is ad hominem.
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On January 11 2012 16:52 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 16:46 Blazinghand wrote:On January 11 2012 16:45 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On January 11 2012 16:39 Blazinghand wrote:On January 11 2012 16:34 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
The only thing you were right about here is that only Blues needed to claim since everyone else simply fell into the "other" category. I don't know how exactly that paints me as scum, or why you think I wanted my plan to fail at all, but whatever. Maybe if I didn't have a job and I was able to defend my plan from the first minute it was posted until the last possible minute I would of been able to shutdown these mind numbing responses I was forced to read and respond to hours after the fact when I knew it was too fucking late. This is why I claimed my role since I hoped it would trigger others to do it as well because I knew I didn't have the time to argue through the entire day to convince the first blue to claim which would be a pain in the ass without unanimous support as I obviously wasn't going to have with the aforementioned mentality being so omnipresent. Case 1) RoL's plan is to have the 4 blues claim, but the town partially rejects his plan. In this case, nobody claims, no harm done. Case 2) RoL's plan is to have everyone claim, but the town partially rejects his plan. In the case, some vts claim, giving the scum information. Why would you structure your plan in a way that is distinct only insofar as it can harm town? I see your point, and it definitely was another approach to it. But having EVERYONE claim helped debunk your second issue of a counterclaim. If we forced everyone to claim as opposed to just the blues I viewed it as likely to get us more accurate claims and less likely to get a counterclaim overall since the scum couldn't wait until all the "blues" had claimed and then decide what to do, as soon as they were active, if the plan was accepted they would be expected to claim green/blue. And once again, I viewed it as a bit of a gamble to get it rolling in the short time span (20ish hours) I had to get it going. I tried to use my claim as a hinging point that others would jump on, it clearly didn't work because I knew it hinged off the first few responses which were all negative. Um, if there's a counterclaim, it's the same situation-- 5 blues, and they claim roles. Your method is just worse for town, and has been worse for town. It was the idea of having the scum under pressure and making them act more impulsively. I preferred a scenario without a CC and wanted to do what I thought would minimize that chance. There are certain things I didn't wish to say because I didn't want scum to realize things that could be mildly irksome. But even those things that could put little bumps in my suggested plan weren't significant enough to turn it into a losing strategy for us. And as an aside, that perceived ad hominem wasn't directed entirely at you. It was a general complaint at me rehashing the same points in at least 5-6 posts because kept bringing up the same (wrong) issue. But seriously, we are spamming the thread. I am honestly going to sleep this time and not F5ing until 8 hours from now if not more.
In any case, it's pretty clear that even in the event that your idea held water, this was not the best implementation of it. You spend like 3 days not posting and thinking of this plan. I think you're pretty smart. I think Town RoL would ask the blues to claim, not the vts + blues.
The idea that blues-only-claiming being more susceptible to counter-claims without vts claiming doesn't make sense-- it's not clear there's a counter-claim until all the blues are there either way.
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In any case, we're burying risk.nuke today, so don't worry about being away for a bit. I can wait.
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Why are we still discussing a very bad plan?
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On January 11 2012 17:26 Cwave wrote:
Why are we still discussing a very bad plan?
RoL thinks it's a good plan. ;_;
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On January 11 2012 17:30 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 17:26 Cwave wrote:
Why are we still discussing a very bad plan? RoL thinks it's a good plan. ;_;
Or rather, he CLAIMS to think it's a good plan. Which is suspicious.
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Hmm, I'm back guys so here's my thoughts
risk.nuke
On January 09 2012 20:18 Bluelightz wrote:Okay guys, I'm suspicious of risk.nukeHe has NOT contributed to the discussion aside from, Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 03:52 risk.nuke wrote:I don't like people posting who they think are town exept when It's in the defense of someone who looks like they are getting lynched. Our job is to find scum. If you think someone is town, you tell them you get a nullread on them or better don't talk about it at all. Belive me bluelightz when I say I don't like a post with a few townreads and no scumreads one bit. There are plenty of reasons why we shouldn't talk about our townreads. It makes it easier for scum to kill our strongest townreads. It makes it harder to discover the motive behind a kill. A scum who belives he is viewed as town won't feel as much pressure. A townie who belives he has confirmed himself might get a bit full of himself and play less optimal.
BluelightzBluelightz is playing without a worry in the world. The nature of most of his posts seems completely carefree. When a townie is confronted with suspicious imo they get nervous and tries to find where they messed up and try to explain it. Bluelightz just shrugs it of. + Show Spoiler +On January 05 2012 21:36 Bluelightz wrote:Okay here's the continuation of my reads Errandor, Null: Lurking cannot determine alignment Grackaroni, Null: His posting contains his case against me and discussing about the lurkers in this game. HarbingerOfDoom, Null/Leaning Town: His posting contains discussion of strategy for town, Discussing LA-Lurkers Jackal58, Null: 2 posts since the start of the game cannot determine alignment. Layabout, Leaning Town: When I compare when Layabout was town in Student and if he is town here his posting style is much the same being aggressive and starting discussion Mr.Wiggles, Leaning Town: His posts while not alot has very good content. Palmar, Leaning Town/Null: His post's generate discussion and he starts discussion himself. RebirthOfLeGenD, Null: Lurking cannot determine alignment. Refallen, Null: His posts contain discussion about the lurkers,etc risk.nuke, Null: Has not posted alot syllogism, Leaning Town/Null: His post's generate discussion and he also shares his reads with others. Tyrran, Null: While lurking a little I can't determine his alignment xsksc, Null: Needs to start posting Zepphird, Null: His post's discuss about LA-Lurkers and strategy Okay I'm done if you have a question about my reads go for it  ! Now, I have many town reads because this is day 1 and also people haven't posted much(including me) So, here it is! Read the top. + Show Spoiler +On January 05 2012 05:08 Bluelightz wrote:
First, I don't like the idea of lynching lurkers because more or less it justs waste's us a townie and
Next, I think the people that are not posting should be chec
Lastly, I don't have a scummy read on anyone yet. Doesn't want to lynch a lurker.On January 05 2012 14:27 Bluelightz wrote:
Okay, ill just give my thoughts on LA-Lurkers
First,
I don't think that lynching lurkers benefit town in any way.
Usually it results in a townie lynched(BByte lynch in student mafia as an example)
Also,
Here's the list of people I want posting
xsksc
Cwave
risk.nuke
Errandor
That is all. Doesn't want to lynch a lurker.On January 05 2012 21:46 Bluelightz wrote:Right now, since we have no real option I would like to lynch a lurker. Wants to lynch a lurker.While his response could seem understandable because he did say he'd like to lynch a lurker in lack of better options. But then there is this On January 05 2012 21:59 Bluelightz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 21:49 Palmar wrote:On January 05 2012 21:46 Bluelightz wrote:On January 05 2012 21:42 Palmar wrote:
So who would you lynch Bluelightz? Right now, since we have no real option I would like to lynch a lurker. Yes, but which lurker, and why? At this point, I would wait if xsk starts posting, risk.nuke too. But if they don't i'm all ears for lynching them I would lynch RoL right now because he hasn't posted anything when I searched for RoL post's in the thread I haven't found any post's by him He is clearly quite fond of the idea of lynching lurkers.Going back again to when Palmar asked him who he would like to kill. His initial response was catastrophic. He said "an unspecific lurker" and avoided the pressure of the question. He changes his mind and he changes his target to RoL but on a very weak basis. Conclusion: He plays carefree, doesn't seem to giving things more then a brief thought before having an opinion which leads to him often changing his mind. Not traits that strikes me as townish in a complicated mafia game.
RefallenWhat I don't like about refallen is he posts just to look town. + Show Spoiler +On January 04 2012 16:52 Refallen wrote:
Finally started! Hype!
My first thoughts on the setup;
Obviously, I think the best way to go about this game is to focus on killing angels in the early game. Once we get rid of the acolyte, the seer has an infinitely easier job in cleansing corruption because we can actually claim if we got corrupted and not get targetted right now as we get closer to the late game lynching demons obviously becomes more and more important, but town would have a huge benefit if we can reduce angel KP early on in the game, as this has a building effect of letting more townies live = demon corrupt has less of an impact. Even though I approve of strategy talk to give us something to talk about day 1 this doesn't fit. This is just empty. There is nothing here that can be of used by town or be discussed about. Fluff. + Show Spoiler +On January 05 2012 10:22 Refallen wrote:Alright, I just woke up, first thoughts: Why is everyone tunneling the lurkish newbie? He is sooooo likely to flip town instead of scum. Just look at Election Mafia, and XLVIII. In almost every case, the lurking newbie simply turns out to be just that, a newbie, which explains his low-posting. We definitely do not want to be wasting a lynch on him. Show nested quote +it might be good to kill him just because even if he is town he could be useless. This is never a good idea. Even a town who is completely non-contributing serves as an extra KP before LYLO, and for most newbie towns, they will be sheeping the case which most people are already on, in effect letting town have an extra vote. We should never ever ever kill town "because he's useless at it". I'm not sure what you're going on about having a solid case. How does one make a solid case on someone who has 3 posts and told us they're going afk for a bit on the very first day of the game? For now, I don't have a lynch target. I want Palmar to start posting. Everyone is not tunneling, coming to the rescue so quickly you don't even properly analyse the situation. Eager to appear protown? The rest of the post is... "fluff" "I don't have a lynch target" "I Want palmar to start posting" + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2012 02:23 Refallen wrote:
Think this makes me 3/3 of me being discussed as lynching on day 1 as a townie, my play sure is good /sarcasm.
Honestly though, was at a friends birthday party, just got home, about to sleep.
Syllo, and others, I don't see how showing angels were a bigger threat than demons would paint me as anti-town. Keep in mind that the context of the post when it was made; all of us were discussing the setup (mainly because it was start of day 1 and it served as a topic of discussion.) Obviously the point about us not being able to tell who was demon/angel makes the whole discussion basically practically useless, but it provided a topic for us to start talking about the game (if you want useless posts, see palmars kite claim)
With that said, I'll be reading through the thread tomorrow and posting who I think are suspicious. Right now at least my previous suspicion of Palmar has been assuaged at him posting and being his usual bullying town self. This is just a stall post imo. He confirms he knows he is beeing looked at but doesn't write much for a defense. Instead he just says that tomorrow he'll write something usefull. Conclusion: I don't like his posts so far and I'm suspicious towards his hype followed by nothing but fluff. I'm waiting for his thoughts tomorrow and some better defense wouldn't hurt him.
xskscxsksc and the meta. What is xsksc up to? I might be wrong but this doesn't feel like the townie xsksc I am used to. Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 12:45 risk.nuke wrote:I don't want to lynch palmar because first of all he is Palmar and secondly he seems to be missing. Why should we lynch the (imo) best player in the game in a 2 mafia team setup day 1. + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2012 11:43 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 11:14 Refallen wrote:So to conclude my posting for now, my lynch targets are Palmar and risk.nuke. Among the two, I'm not sure who I want to lynch first. Are you scum too? There should be zero confusion about which of those 2 you would want to lynch if you believe them both to be scum. No offense risk.nuke but you're not scary. Scum Palmar is scary. This is just fearmongering. @Refallen, it is a townie priority to look town. But what you're doing is not that. You're writing useless posts hoping on a brief glance they will make it look as you're contributing. And when most of your posts are like that I get suspicious. There is nothing wrong or scummy with anyone of your posts. But they are all very easy to make as a scum. And I have not made a case yet, if you think what I wrote on you and bluelightz are cases I promise you this. When I make a case it will have a conclusion that says this guy is scum and we should lynch his arse. Now, Everything else in his filter is either a. one liner b. responding to a case against him c. asking questions at people for their opinions, and blah blah blah So, he isn't contributing in any way I am parking my vote on risk till he comes back and starts contributing.
Grackaroni
Really, he votes by saying like this.
I Agree with you X,
(short reason)
On January 07 2012 09:32 Grackaroni wrote:
Yeah I agree with you.
An Errandor lynch is much better than Palmar : more likely to flip scum and less chance of losing one of town's greatest assets.
##Vote: Errandor
and he also votes at the current vote leader.
Looking for an easy lynch?
On January 11 2012 13:13 Grackaroni wrote:
I feel that between risk.nuke and RoL, Risk.nuke is the better lynch.
RoL seems to truly believe that the voting block and confirmed townies would be more helpful than the blues themselves and seems to have spent a lot of time considering the implications of the mass roleclaim. I get the feeling that he legitimately believes his plan is good for town, and he stands by it even after the town declared it anti-town.
The largest flaw in the plan is not the theory itself but the actual application. If only a portion of the town comes in to claim the whole plan falls apart, letting a portion of townies make claims is bad. Besides it's possible that we have a couple derp townies who would lie about their roles in order to save themselves or draw hits.
risk.nuke mentioned a plan that consisted of sitting back and observing posts and got pissed off at Syllo for ruining it. I think he has been overreacting to accusations. He also is using meta on other people yet when it's used against himself meta is worthless. The only thing I agree with is that Palmar's flip does make me think that you are less likely to be a demon, still though if you were an Angel of course you're going to ask to be checked in order to prolong your life.
With 20 hours to go we need to start consolidating our votes. I think risk.nuke is more likely scum than RoL but either one is preferable to a no-lynch.
##Vote: risk.nuke
Also, since Palmar's flip I am suspicious at the people who tried to not vote him
On January 07 2012 09:12 Grackaroni wrote:@HoD + Show Spoiler +If someone beside HoD is reading this, the question I am answering is "why I thought Bluelightz play as scum would be bad for town?"
I really hate the quote formating inside of the spoiler so I'm going to avoid posting long quotes from student.
On December 14 2011 09:44 Bluelightz wrote:
sorry just didnt feel like posting (>_<)
On December 08 2011 00:05 Bluelightz wrote:
PS: if i don't post much it's because I don't really have a good scumread on anyone if I do I'll post my analysis
On December 14 2011 15:57 Bluelightz wrote:
sorry BH, didnt notice your case till now so,
##Vote: Tunkeg
BH, is there any other of his posts that make you have a scumread on him?
also, after looking @ BHs case m mind is decided for this day
On December 08 2011 18:57 Bluelightz wrote:
ey215 is leaning scum, when he says
I Am Town
but then, I quote Grackaroni
On December 07 2011 03:43 Grackaroni wrote:
NOBODY IS A CONFIRMED TOWNIE
He openly showed no issue with lurking
He openly sheep's other people
Further when he posts his own cases they always end up being null.
sometimes he took completely random parts of our posts out and used them for the main basis of his read.
Maybe he did most of these things purely because he was scum but I think he could at least realize that his play wasn't resembling pro-town play
Anyways if you really want to I could go over everyone one of his posts from the last game and tell you what bugged me about them. But the point is that I should not have based his entire play off of only one game from him as scum, and I shouldn't have brought my annoyance with his last game's performance into this game either. Now I get to focus on the game that is actually being played instead of going over this old one. As for Palmar I don't think the meta can conclude that he is scum and he seems much more willing to contribute than errandor. palmar could be our best scumhunter and I don't think a day1 meta read should be enough to risk killing one of our best players Besides people are downplaying his scum play so somebody explain to me why people keep saying that it will be scary if Palmar is scum? Show nested quote +On January 07 2012 08:26 Palmar wrote:
people on my wagon need to take a long hard look at their play. sheeping activity meta is fucking terrible. when i flip theres no excuse. no "well he played scummy". the only reason youre voting me is youre terrible and cant think. because none of you have anything. I'm going to assume that your issue is the sheeping and not that the case is built off of meta because you are voting for Errandor because of activity meta while criticizing other people for doing the same thing to you.
So, I think risk is a good lynch but, I am suspicuous of Grackaroni
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On January 11 2012 04:01 Zephirdd wrote:
Well, that's the whole point of my last sentence.
I'm just ultra curious about risk's flip right now.
Why are you curious about my flip?
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On January 11 2012 19:12 Bluelightz wrote:Hmm, I'm back guys so here's my thoughts risk.nuke Show nested quote +On January 09 2012 20:18 Bluelightz wrote:Okay guys, I'm suspicious of risk.nukeHe has NOT contributed to the discussion aside from, On January 06 2012 03:52 risk.nuke wrote:I don't like people posting who they think are town exept when It's in the defense of someone who looks like they are getting lynched. Our job is to find scum. If you think someone is town, you tell them you get a nullread on them or better don't talk about it at all. Belive me bluelightz when I say I don't like a post with a few townreads and no scumreads one bit. There are plenty of reasons why we shouldn't talk about our townreads. It makes it easier for scum to kill our strongest townreads. It makes it harder to discover the motive behind a kill. A scum who belives he is viewed as town won't feel as much pressure. A townie who belives he has confirmed himself might get a bit full of himself and play less optimal.
BluelightzBluelightz is playing without a worry in the world. The nature of most of his posts seems completely carefree. When a townie is confronted with suspicious imo they get nervous and tries to find where they messed up and try to explain it. Bluelightz just shrugs it of. + Show Spoiler +On January 05 2012 21:36 Bluelightz wrote:Okay here's the continuation of my reads Errandor, Null: Lurking cannot determine alignment Grackaroni, Null: His posting contains his case against me and discussing about the lurkers in this game. HarbingerOfDoom, Null/Leaning Town: His posting contains discussion of strategy for town, Discussing LA-Lurkers Jackal58, Null: 2 posts since the start of the game cannot determine alignment. Layabout, Leaning Town: When I compare when Layabout was town in Student and if he is town here his posting style is much the same being aggressive and starting discussion Mr.Wiggles, Leaning Town: His posts while not alot has very good content. Palmar, Leaning Town/Null: His post's generate discussion and he starts discussion himself. RebirthOfLeGenD, Null: Lurking cannot determine alignment. Refallen, Null: His posts contain discussion about the lurkers,etc risk.nuke, Null: Has not posted alot syllogism, Leaning Town/Null: His post's generate discussion and he also shares his reads with others. Tyrran, Null: While lurking a little I can't determine his alignment xsksc, Null: Needs to start posting Zepphird, Null: His post's discuss about LA-Lurkers and strategy Okay I'm done if you have a question about my reads go for it ! Now, I have many town reads because this is day 1 and also people haven't posted much(including me) So, here it is! Read the top. + Show Spoiler +On January 05 2012 05:08 Bluelightz wrote:
First, I don't like the idea of lynching lurkers because more or less it justs waste's us a townie and
Next, I think the people that are not posting should be chec
Lastly, I don't have a scummy read on anyone yet. Doesn't want to lynch a lurker.On January 05 2012 14:27 Bluelightz wrote:
Okay, ill just give my thoughts on LA-Lurkers
First,
I don't think that lynching lurkers benefit town in any way.
Usually it results in a townie lynched(BByte lynch in student mafia as an example)
Also,
Here's the list of people I want posting
xsksc
Cwave
risk.nuke
Errandor
That is all. Doesn't want to lynch a lurker.On January 05 2012 21:46 Bluelightz wrote:Right now, since we have no real option I would like to lynch a lurker. Wants to lynch a lurker.While his response could seem understandable because he did say he'd like to lynch a lurker in lack of better options. But then there is this On January 05 2012 21:59 Bluelightz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 21:49 Palmar wrote:On January 05 2012 21:46 Bluelightz wrote:On January 05 2012 21:42 Palmar wrote:
So who would you lynch Bluelightz? Right now, since we have no real option I would like to lynch a lurker. Yes, but which lurker, and why? At this point, I would wait if xsk starts posting, risk.nuke too. But if they don't i'm all ears for lynching them I would lynch RoL right now because he hasn't posted anything when I searched for RoL post's in the thread I haven't found any post's by him He is clearly quite fond of the idea of lynching lurkers.Going back again to when Palmar asked him who he would like to kill. His initial response was catastrophic. He said "an unspecific lurker" and avoided the pressure of the question. He changes his mind and he changes his target to RoL but on a very weak basis. Conclusion: He plays carefree, doesn't seem to giving things more then a brief thought before having an opinion which leads to him often changing his mind. Not traits that strikes me as townish in a complicated mafia game.
RefallenWhat I don't like about refallen is he posts just to look town. + Show Spoiler +On January 04 2012 16:52 Refallen wrote:
Finally started! Hype!
My first thoughts on the setup;
Obviously, I think the best way to go about this game is to focus on killing angels in the early game. Once we get rid of the acolyte, the seer has an infinitely easier job in cleansing corruption because we can actually claim if we got corrupted and not get targetted right now as we get closer to the late game lynching demons obviously becomes more and more important, but town would have a huge benefit if we can reduce angel KP early on in the game, as this has a building effect of letting more townies live = demon corrupt has less of an impact. Even though I approve of strategy talk to give us something to talk about day 1 this doesn't fit. This is just empty. There is nothing here that can be of used by town or be discussed about. Fluff. + Show Spoiler +On January 05 2012 10:22 Refallen wrote:Alright, I just woke up, first thoughts: Why is everyone tunneling the lurkish newbie? He is sooooo likely to flip town instead of scum. Just look at Election Mafia, and XLVIII. In almost every case, the lurking newbie simply turns out to be just that, a newbie, which explains his low-posting. We definitely do not want to be wasting a lynch on him. Show nested quote +it might be good to kill him just because even if he is town he could be useless. This is never a good idea. Even a town who is completely non-contributing serves as an extra KP before LYLO, and for most newbie towns, they will be sheeping the case which most people are already on, in effect letting town have an extra vote. We should never ever ever kill town "because he's useless at it". I'm not sure what you're going on about having a solid case. How does one make a solid case on someone who has 3 posts and told us they're going afk for a bit on the very first day of the game? For now, I don't have a lynch target. I want Palmar to start posting. Everyone is not tunneling, coming to the rescue so quickly you don't even properly analyse the situation. Eager to appear protown? The rest of the post is... "fluff" "I don't have a lynch target" "I Want palmar to start posting" + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2012 02:23 Refallen wrote:
Think this makes me 3/3 of me being discussed as lynching on day 1 as a townie, my play sure is good /sarcasm.
Honestly though, was at a friends birthday party, just got home, about to sleep.
Syllo, and others, I don't see how showing angels were a bigger threat than demons would paint me as anti-town. Keep in mind that the context of the post when it was made; all of us were discussing the setup (mainly because it was start of day 1 and it served as a topic of discussion.) Obviously the point about us not being able to tell who was demon/angel makes the whole discussion basically practically useless, but it provided a topic for us to start talking about the game (if you want useless posts, see palmars kite claim)
With that said, I'll be reading through the thread tomorrow and posting who I think are suspicious. Right now at least my previous suspicion of Palmar has been assuaged at him posting and being his usual bullying town self. This is just a stall post imo. He confirms he knows he is beeing looked at but doesn't write much for a defense. Instead he just says that tomorrow he'll write something usefull. Conclusion: I don't like his posts so far and I'm suspicious towards his hype followed by nothing but fluff. I'm waiting for his thoughts tomorrow and some better defense wouldn't hurt him.
xskscxsksc and the meta. What is xsksc up to? I might be wrong but this doesn't feel like the townie xsksc I am used to. On January 06 2012 12:45 risk.nuke wrote:I don't want to lynch palmar because first of all he is Palmar and secondly he seems to be missing. Why should we lynch the (imo) best player in the game in a 2 mafia team setup day 1. + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2012 11:43 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 11:14 Refallen wrote:So to conclude my posting for now, my lynch targets are Palmar and risk.nuke. Among the two, I'm not sure who I want to lynch first. Are you scum too? There should be zero confusion about which of those 2 you would want to lynch if you believe them both to be scum. No offense risk.nuke but you're not scary. Scum Palmar is scary. This is just fearmongering. @Refallen, it is a townie priority to look town. But what you're doing is not that. You're writing useless posts hoping on a brief glance they will make it look as you're contributing. And when most of your posts are like that I get suspicious. There is nothing wrong or scummy with anyone of your posts. But they are all very easy to make as a scum. And I have not made a case yet, if you think what I wrote on you and bluelightz are cases I promise you this. When I make a case it will have a conclusion that says this guy is scum and we should lynch his arse. Now, Everything else in his filter is either a. one liner b. responding to a case against him c. asking questions at people for their opinions, and blah blah blah So, he isn't contributing in any way I am parking my vote on risk till he comes back and starts contributing. Grackaroni Really, he votes by saying like this. I Agree with you X, (short reason) Show nested quote +On January 07 2012 09:32 Grackaroni wrote:
Yeah I agree with you.
An Errandor lynch is much better than Palmar : more likely to flip scum and less chance of losing one of town's greatest assets.
##Vote: Errandor and he also votes at the current vote leader. Looking for an easy lynch? Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 13:13 Grackaroni wrote:
I feel that between risk.nuke and RoL, Risk.nuke is the better lynch.
RoL seems to truly believe that the voting block and confirmed townies would be more helpful than the blues themselves and seems to have spent a lot of time considering the implications of the mass roleclaim. I get the feeling that he legitimately believes his plan is good for town, and he stands by it even after the town declared it anti-town.
The largest flaw in the plan is not the theory itself but the actual application. If only a portion of the town comes in to claim the whole plan falls apart, letting a portion of townies make claims is bad. Besides it's possible that we have a couple derp townies who would lie about their roles in order to save themselves or draw hits.
risk.nuke mentioned a plan that consisted of sitting back and observing posts and got pissed off at Syllo for ruining it. I think he has been overreacting to accusations. He also is using meta on other people yet when it's used against himself meta is worthless. The only thing I agree with is that Palmar's flip does make me think that you are less likely to be a demon, still though if you were an Angel of course you're going to ask to be checked in order to prolong your life.
With 20 hours to go we need to start consolidating our votes. I think risk.nuke is more likely scum than RoL but either one is preferable to a no-lynch.
##Vote: risk.nuke Also, since Palmar's flip I am suspicious at the people who tried to not vote him Show nested quote +On January 07 2012 09:12 Grackaroni wrote:@HoD + Show Spoiler +If someone beside HoD is reading this, the question I am answering is "why I thought Bluelightz play as scum would be bad for town?"
I really hate the quote formating inside of the spoiler so I'm going to avoid posting long quotes from student.
On December 14 2011 09:44 Bluelightz wrote:
sorry just didnt feel like posting (>_<)
On December 08 2011 00:05 Bluelightz wrote:
PS: if i don't post much it's because I don't really have a good scumread on anyone if I do I'll post my analysis
On December 14 2011 15:57 Bluelightz wrote:
sorry BH, didnt notice your case till now so,
##Vote: Tunkeg
BH, is there any other of his posts that make you have a scumread on him?
also, after looking @ BHs case m mind is decided for this day
On December 08 2011 18:57 Bluelightz wrote:
ey215 is leaning scum, when he says
I Am Town
but then, I quote Grackaroni
On December 07 2011 03:43 Grackaroni wrote:
NOBODY IS A CONFIRMED TOWNIE
He openly showed no issue with lurking
He openly sheep's other people
Further when he posts his own cases they always end up being null.
sometimes he took completely random parts of our posts out and used them for the main basis of his read.
Maybe he did most of these things purely because he was scum but I think he could at least realize that his play wasn't resembling pro-town play
Anyways if you really want to I could go over everyone one of his posts from the last game and tell you what bugged me about them. But the point is that I should not have based his entire play off of only one game from him as scum, and I shouldn't have brought my annoyance with his last game's performance into this game either. Now I get to focus on the game that is actually being played instead of going over this old one. As for Palmar I don't think the meta can conclude that he is scum and he seems much more willing to contribute than errandor. palmar could be our best scumhunter and I don't think a day1 meta read should be enough to risk killing one of our best players Besides people are downplaying his scum play so somebody explain to me why people keep saying that it will be scary if Palmar is scum? On January 07 2012 08:26 Palmar wrote:
people on my wagon need to take a long hard look at their play. sheeping activity meta is fucking terrible. when i flip theres no excuse. no "well he played scummy". the only reason youre voting me is youre terrible and cant think. because none of you have anything. I'm going to assume that your issue is the sheeping and not that the case is built off of meta because you are voting for Errandor because of activity meta while criticizing other people for doing the same thing to you. So, I think risk is a good lynch but, I am suspicuous of Grackaroni
I think risk is a good lynch and I am suspicious of the "tennis Gracket" as they call him.
There are 5 scum in this game, there's no reason they can't both be scum. The fact of the matter is, Grack produces wool, bleats, and actually has some nice cheese-- rare in modern cuisine but you can find it at the local market.
I am saying he is a sheep. Or rather, he wants to look like a sheep, but really he is wolf in sheep's clothing. Still, I don't think his case matches up to RoL's, or to Risk's, since Risk is blantant scum, somehow moreso even than RoL.
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Blazinghand
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On December 28 2011 15:39 Zona wrote:
- You may not include (embed) images or videos in your posts.
I have inadvertantly quoted RoL who was in violation of this rule, but in doing so have violated it. You can find my post here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603¤tpage=65#1288
+ Show Spoiler +On January 11 2012 16:54 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 16:52 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
And as an aside, that perceived ad hominem wasn't directed entirely at you. It was a general complaint at me rehashing the same points in at least 5-6 posts because kept bringing up the same (wrong) issue. and this one? Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 16:23 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On January 11 2012 15:38 Blazinghand wrote:
RoL don't think I haven't taken my eye off you though >.> How could I ever forget this gaze incessantly staring at me?
and his post here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603¤tpage=64#1274
+ Show Spoiler +On January 11 2012 16:23 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 15:38 Blazinghand wrote:
RoL don't think I haven't taken my eye off you though >.> How could I ever forget this gaze incessantly staring at me?
May I edit my post to not include the quoted embedded image?
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Blazinghand
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On January 11 2012 19:18 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 04:01 Zephirdd wrote:
Well, that's the whole point of my last sentence.
I'm just ultra curious about risk's flip right now. Why are you curious about my flip?
Yeah eveyrone knows you're gonna flip scum
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On January 11 2012 19:38 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 19:18 risk.nuke wrote:On January 11 2012 04:01 Zephirdd wrote:
Well, that's the whole point of my last sentence.
I'm just ultra curious about risk's flip right now. Why are you curious about my flip? Yeah eveyrone knows you're gonna flip scum
The question was not for you so stfu you imbacile. Why would I flip scum you piece of shit?
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