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xUnSeEnx
United States183 Posts
On December 16 2011 02:55 lizzard_warish wrote: What mechanics exist for terran pray tell? one hotkey for all your buildings, hold down a letter. ZOMG the stress! What a load of shit. Ok so pressing w once and rapid pressing 1 or 2 keys is hard? LOL you are told when your units are done and able to produce again, GTFO | ||
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iokke
United States1179 Posts
On December 16 2011 02:53 xUnSeEnx wrote: Beasty is a beast, he might have a lower winrate against terrans, but have you ever thought its because he plays really good terrans? Lol stop while you are ahead. Seriously, how biased can you get to support your side of the argument? You are pretty blatant... Maybe he plays good P and Z also? This is a shit argument unless you go through his games and can factually say he played stronger Ts. By the way, to your above post, if I'm not mistaken T is also told when units are finished producing, just not the same way (side text/announcer)? | ||
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SKYFISH_
Bulgaria990 Posts
On December 16 2011 02:49 iokke wrote: I could bet you money that it would take me 1/3 of the effort to reach my rank as P if i switch to T (which isnt too high to be fair). Why? Because I learned a lot of basics/mechanics while starting as Protoss that will transfer to other races. Actually I wanted to switch to T on my smurf but after watching TvTs... just doesnt seem to appealing let me make it a bit clearer, i think i didnt express myself correctly. in my case,winning games in mid diamond EU ladder as P is a lot easier and in most cases more possible than winning games as T at the same level | ||
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gosuMalicE
Canada676 Posts
On December 16 2011 02:48 xUnSeEnx wrote: Lol, it has been like that since Broodwar, I am assuming you just joined the SC community when SC2 came out? Brood War and Starcraft 2 are entirely different games, you cant draw those kind of parallels between them. | ||
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Fig
United States1324 Posts
However the balance changes that occurred were NOT the right way of going about it. They just made some units stronger and some weaker. Instead, Blizzard should be adding microability to the other races. Then every race has a high level of depth that scales with player skill. TLDR: Terrans shouldn't be asking for less micro. That's how Blizzard got away with introducing the stupid idea of the no-micro Battle Hellion. Terrans should instead be asking for Blizzard to add more micro to the other races. | ||
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SCTallbus
United States56 Posts
First of all, BeastyQT, is a very mediocre Terran player, so it figures that he thinks his race is so hard. Terran has been nerfed over from ridiculous imba, to almost balanced, bad players are switching because they can't just a-move anymore and have to try. No, Terran doesn't take the APM that Zerg does, by a long shot, nor does it take any kind of macro even close. Please don't insult Zerg by making it seem as easy as T. | ||
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xUnSeEnx
United States183 Posts
On December 16 2011 02:58 iokke wrote: Seriously, how biased can you get to support your side of the story? Maybe he plays good P and Z also? By the way, to your above post, if I'm not mistake T is also told when units are finished producing, just not the same way? Yea you got to listen, and micro and macro and repeat, Toss basically just spam w and spam unit production its so easy i could cry. Play me in PvP and i will go ahead and beat you down and prove myh point how much easier protoss is then terran. | ||
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
The problem with Terran for people at my skill-level is that Terran units are insanely cost-effective when micro'd at a very high level. However, with lower level micro, Terran units are actually quite weak especially the longer the game goes. Without good stimkiting vs Protoss and splitting vs Zergs you will get totally rolled in big engagements. I found myself having to rely more and more on 1-base allins or big timing attacks to win games, especially vs Zergs. Any attempt to play a longer macro game ends with me getting rolled in the mid/late-game. My macro is fairly good and I can easily keep up with my opponents in terms of numbers and army-size, but I have fairly sloppy micro and my army just melts to collosus/storm/banes/lings/broods/ultra A-moving through the map. Tried meching for the longest time too, but it's just so dicey. It works occasionally vs Zerg on some maps, but a smart Protoss will just roll it, unless you are way better then them mechanically. Eventually just quit 1v1'ing all together. My favorite matchup has always been TvT and I probably have a 85-90% winrate lifetime in that matchup. But after the Terran nerfs and Zerg buffs, I run into 5 Zergs for every 1 Terran and TvZ just frustrated me too much to continue playing. Doesn't help that insane players like MMA/MVP with their godly micro can use Terran units so well that they keep getting nerfed  | ||
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Xyik
Canada728 Posts
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
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1st_Panzer_Div.
United States621 Posts
On December 16 2011 02:50 Wegandi wrote: TvZ and TvT are pretty well balanced. It's TvP which is the trouble. I don't think any sane person would refute that Terran is the most mechanically difficult race. As I said before, and as QT said, all Terrans want is to make Protoss and Zerg have a higher skill ceiling / more mechanically demanding. Make charge manual and not automatically do damage. Make Colossus have to manually be charged / have FF. etc. etc. I'm sure there is a lot more that could be worked on to make the game more difficult overall, at least to bring some semblance of equality of opportunity / skill with the races. One race shouldn't have to take 25% more APM to play on an equal footing with the others. I personally find the mechanics of Terran to be the easiest. It could be because of the way I use hotkeys, that I actually find the macro aspects of terran to be far easier, but I do. And yes I do play protoss, but it's because I find stargate play a lot more interesting than anything else in the game, and TvT bores me to death. | ||
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xUnSeEnx
United States183 Posts
On December 16 2011 03:01 SCTallbus wrote: I haven't seen a legitimate Terran argument. First of all, BeastyQT, is a very mediocre Terran player, so it figures that he thinks his race is so hard. Terran has been nerfed over from ridiculous imba, to almost balanced, bad players are switching because they can't just a-move anymore and have to try. No, Terran doesn't take the APM that Zerg does, by a long shot, nor does it take any kind of macro even close. Please don't insult Zerg by making it seem as easy as T. LOL? Zerg is easy, I play random sometimes and never lose as zerg. You are prob some aweful kid who cannot beat a small tank push and are dick hurt because you lose every once in 20 games with your easy race. User was temp banned for this and many other posts in this thread. | ||
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Termit
Sweden3466 Posts
On December 16 2011 02:55 lizzard_warish wrote: What mechanics exist for terran pray tell? one hotkey for all your buildings, hold down a letter. ZOMG the stress! What a load of shit. hahaha! What about one hotkey for CC's, one for rax, one for factory one for starport that you constantly produce from. While you as protoss doesn't even need to hotkey your fucking warpgates because you press W and the letter for your god damn unit. And then semi-produce from stargate and robo but you will never produce from them like a Terran does. It's sad how offended you got because you are probably one of these 85 EAPM guys that struggle hardcore with Protoss mechanics. I just pray to higher powers that some day Blizzard get some fucking sense and removes warpgates so Protoss players have to learn to produce from gateways all game long without quing and keeping up production and have to rally their units instead of having the luctury to kill defenders advantage and spawn units where ever they want. Bye. | ||
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iokke
United States1179 Posts
On December 16 2011 03:01 xUnSeEnx wrote: Yea you got to listen, and micro and macro and repeat, Toss basically just spam w and spam unit production its so easy i could cry. Play me in PvP and i will go ahead and beat you down and prove myh point how much easier protoss is then terran. Again lol? As P you got to listen too, or watch the icon at least (just as you can watch text). And u need to mircro and macro. Missing WG cooldowns is same as missing barracks cool downs because even though u warp in instantly, u still missed production time. You might beat me in PvP as you may be a better overall player, or lose if your worse overall. But your pathetic bias is getting ridiculous lol. P also needs to do all those things you mentioned to be able to compete, spamming W will not work any better than constantly spamming ur production hotkey. You sound just like the people who say derp you can queue units as T so ur macro is super easy | ||
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xUnSeEnx
United States183 Posts
On December 16 2011 03:03 Termit wrote: hahaha! What about one hotkey for CC's, one for rax, one for factory one for starport that you constantly produce from. While you as protoss doesn't even need to hotkey your fucking warpgates because you press W and the letter for your god damn unit. And then semi-produce from stargate and robo but you will never produce from them like a Terran does. It's sad how offended you got because you are probably one of these 85 EAPM guys that struggle hardcore with Protoss mechanics. I just pray to higher powers that some day Blizzard get some fucking sense and removes warpgates so Protoss players have to learn to produce from gateways all game long without quing and keeping up production and have to rally their units instead of having the luctury to kill defenders advantage and spawn units where ever they want. Bye. BAM! Remove warpgates = balance. | ||
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YipMan
372 Posts
On December 16 2011 03:02 xUnSeEnx wrote: LOL? Zerg is easy, I play random sometimes and never lose as zerg. You are prob some aweful kid who cannot beat a small tank push and are dick hurt because you lose every once in 20 games with your easy race. You never lose as P, you never lose as Z, we got your point. Rediculous... more facts please... ask yourself who the awful kid is... | ||
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HyperionDreamer
Canada1528 Posts
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xUnSeEnx
United States183 Posts
On December 16 2011 03:06 YipMan wrote: You never lose as P, you never lose as Z, we got your point. Rediculous... more facts please... ask yourself who the awful kid is... I dont look me up. I could play you with any race I am sure and win. | ||
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petro1987
Brazil374 Posts
On December 16 2011 03:00 Fig wrote: The main problem is that terran was designed to allow for plenty of micro to make its units more effective. The other races were not given nearly as many microable units. Being the only race that has so many units that are microable is a blessing and a curse. On one hand the best terrans can extract more value from their units than players of other races can. This is a big reason why terrans dominated for about the first 9 months of the game. However this domination meant that balance changes were made to give the other races more of a chance. However the balance changes that occurred were NOT the right way of going about it. They just made some units stronger and some weaker. Instead, Blizzard should be adding microability to the other races. Then every race has a high level of depth that scales with player skill. TLDR: Terrans shouldn't be asking for less micro. That's how Blizzard got away with introducing the stupid idea of the no-micro Battle Hellion. Terrans should instead be asking for Blizzard to add more micro to the other races. This is a very reasonable post. It shows that not everyone is completely biased and there's hope after all =D. On topic, we are not asking for less micro to Terran. We are asking for the other races to made harder, just how you pointed out. It's Blizzard that is looking for an easier solution to the matter (battle-hellion, for instance). | ||
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