EPTOn December 16 2011 03:07 xUnSeEnx wrote:
I dont look me up. I could play you with any race I am sure and win.
I dont look me up. I could play you with any race I am sure and win.
You make my day you balance whining joke
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YipMan
372 Posts
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Gunther
Germany139 Posts
On December 16 2011 03:03 Termit wrote: hahaha! What about one hotkey for CC's, one for rax, one for factory one for starport that you constantly produce from. While you as protoss doesn't even need to hotkey your fucking warpgates because you press W and the letter for your god damn unit. And then semi-produce from stargate and robo but you will never produce from them like a Terran does. It's sad how offended you got because you are probably one of these 85 EAPM guys that struggle hardcore with Protoss mechanics. I just pray to higher powers that some day Blizzard get some fucking sense and removes warpgates so Protoss players have to learn to produce from gateways all game long without quing and keeping up production and have to rally their units instead of having the luctury to kill defenders advantage and spawn units where ever they want. Bye. I think that would make it easier to be honest. The unfortunate problem with Protoss is they have to look away to warp units in during a fight, while both Terran and Zerg don't need to look away and can use their hotkeys. | ||
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Severus_
759 Posts
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Trowa127
United Kingdom1230 Posts
Why can't everyone appreciate the hard work that community members put into good content and threads? Why do threads only go past the 50 pages mark when there is some bs drama involved? Seriously guys. | ||
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xUnSeEnx
United States183 Posts
On December 16 2011 03:07 petro1987 wrote: This is a very reasonable post. It shows that not everyone is completely biased and there's hope after all =D. On topic, we are not asking for less micro to Terran. We are asking for the other races to made harder, just how you pointed out. It's Blizzard that is looking for an easier solution to the matter (battle-hellion, for instance). I think I said this same thing 20 posts ago and it was ignored, because ppl do not want to hear blizzard is making it easier for them, they want to here that Terran is OP and Protoss is UP. It is stupid. | ||
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Beaza
Germany203 Posts
On December 16 2011 03:01 SCTallbus wrote: I haven't seen a legitimate Terran argument. First of all, BeastyQT, is a very mediocre Terran player, so it figures that he thinks his race is so hard. Terran has been nerfed over from ridiculous imba, to almost balanced, bad players are switching because they can't just a-move anymore and have to try. No, Terran doesn't take the APM that Zerg does, by a long shot, nor does it take any kind of macro even close. Please don't insult Zerg by making it seem as easy as T. well at least your post seems legit | ||
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iokke
United States1179 Posts
On December 16 2011 03:08 Gunther wrote: I think that would make it easier to be honest. The unfortunate problem with Protoss is they have to look away to warp units in during a fight, while both Terran and Zerg don't need to look away and can use their hotkeys. Funny I agree too, but if they do that P units would need to be buffed most likely, would lead to people like him crying even more. Every race has its difficult parts, but I also agree that Terran might scale differently because of their micro-abilities, which makes it harder on lower leagues. As far as macro goes there's really nothing to possibly complain about | ||
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Recognizable
Netherlands1552 Posts
On December 16 2011 03:01 SCTallbus wrote: I haven't seen a legitimate Terran argument. First of all, BeastyQT, is a very mediocre Terran player, so it figures that he thinks his race is so hard. Terran has been nerfed over from ridiculous imba, to almost balanced, bad players are switching because they can't just a-move anymore and have to try. No, Terran doesn't take the APM that Zerg does, by a long shot, nor does it take any kind of macro even close. Please don't insult Zerg by making it seem as easy as T. Just clearing creep takes 5x more actions and thought than spreading creep. Just an example. | ||
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xUnSeEnx
United States183 Posts
Well then ppl rep this thread and get some Pro level zergs and Protoss in here. I am curious to hear their arguments on this subject. | ||
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YipMan
372 Posts
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Beaza
Germany203 Posts
On December 16 2011 03:11 xUnSeEnx wrote: Well then ppl rep this thread and get some Pro level zergs and Protoss in here. I am curious to hear their arguments on this subject. i was kidding. he complains about bad arguments when his own post is full of wrong assumptions -.- | ||
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Serelitz
Netherlands2895 Posts
On December 16 2011 03:07 petro1987 wrote: This is a very reasonable post. It shows that not everyone is completely biased and there's hope after all =D. On topic, we are not asking for less micro to Terran. We are asking for the other races to made harder, just how you pointed out. It's Blizzard that is looking for an easier solution to the matter (battle-hellion, for instance). I already posted about this a few pages back, but I'll post it again: On December 16 2011 02:39 Serelitz wrote: I agree but on the flipside, I think you too can know that not all races can be created equal, it's simply impossible. By example, you can look at BW - Protoss was generally considered a much easier race, but also quite a bit worse at the highest levels (with T being the best). I think this is a design issue already ingrained in SC2, and frankly unfixable at this point. You know that too. If you make protoss and zerg balanced around the 'same level of skill' for whatever amount that is measurable, you basically destroy them because they simply have much less opportunity for such things. If T as a race dominates, it'll become boring (I'm sure gomtvt felt the subscriber hit which is why they added Calm before the Storm). If T as a race is harder, the matchmaking system will hide it from most of the general masses and the pros will simply practice harder. I know what the better alternative is here. As I said, this isn't a design issue that's fixable. Blizzard will walk a fine line between balance and skill requirement, just like BW but in the end it's IMPOSSIBLE to get both completely equal. You've said this isn't a balance whine thread. But it sure as HELL has the quality of one, with Terran QQ and mindless bias holding the general tone. This discussion doesn't really lead anywhere anyway. I really wish this thread would just get locked. | ||
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xUnSeEnx
United States183 Posts
On December 16 2011 03:11 YipMan wrote: xUnSeEnx, you are a punch in the face of the U.S. education system. Lmao Lol now I know I won this argument with you, when you can say some not so nonsensical and not attack me every single time and actually put up a valid argument, post back. Thanks | ||
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Sepi
Finland231 Posts
On December 16 2011 03:02 1st_Panzer_Div. wrote: I personally find the mechanics of Terran to be the easiest. It could be because of the way I use hotkeys, that I actually find the macro aspects of terran to be far easier, but I do. And yes I do play protoss, but it's because I find stargate play a lot more interesting than anything else in the game, and TvT bores me to death. I greatly disagree. As high diamond, P can just a move whit chargelots and colossi as u have to constantly kite and try to make efficent concave and micro vikings same time. And against HT if u miss those vital emps or snipes its all over. Me as high diamond struggle to fight against full upgraded P army. Offcourse i harras overtime, but if they sit on 2 base u cant do most of the time much. Macro whit T is easy, but engagin mechanics I think not. | ||
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YipMan
372 Posts
On December 16 2011 03:13 xUnSeEnx wrote: Lol now I know I won this argument with you, when you can say some not so nonsensical and not attack me every single time and actually put up a valid argument, post back. Thanks Absolutely no need for it, im having a good time so far. Keep it going ^_^ | ||
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On December 16 2011 03:11 YipMan wrote: xUnSeEnx, you are a punch in the face of the U.S. education system. Lmao The irony of this post... And did I read correctly? Protoss players are now claiming that warpgate is a disadvantage somehow? You know you don't HAVE to research it, right? You can also turn warpgates back into gateways. I'll be waiting for this new metagame shift where protoss players opt not to get warpgate tech because it is more effective to use gateways. Oh wait... that is totally ridiculous. | ||
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petro1987
Brazil374 Posts
On December 16 2011 03:13 Serelitz wrote: I already posted about this a few pages back, but I'll post it again: As I said, this isn't a design issue that's fixable. Blizzard will walk a fine line between balance and skill requirement, just like BW but in the end it's IMPOSSIBLE to get both completely equal. You've said this isn't a balance whine thread. But it sure as HELL has the quality of one, with Terran QQ and mindless bias holding the general tone. This discussion doesn't really lead anywhere anyway. I really wish this thread would just get locked. I do agree that it's impossible to get everything completely equal. But Blizzard has an opportunity in HotS (I know design can't be changed in WoL anymore) to make things a lot closer. | ||
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Serelitz
Netherlands2895 Posts
On December 16 2011 03:15 SupLilSon wrote: The irony of this post... And did I read correctly? Protoss players are now claiming that warpgate is a disadvantage somehow? You know you don't HAVE to research it, right? You can also turn warpgates back into gateways. I'll be waiting for this new metagame shift where protoss players opt not to get warpgate tech because it is more effective to use gateways. Oh wait... that is totally ridiculous. You can't really opt not to use it because it's balanced around having WG. I think this is a design flaw though not necessarily a balance issue. Different topic though. | ||
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Ktk
Korea (South)753 Posts
On December 16 2011 03:11 Recognizable wrote: Just clearing creep takes 5x more actions and thought than spreading creep. Just an example. Scan Select 3 units Attack move Fall back vs Burrow spine crawler Queen select C-Click Fall back Not the fairest example, I think. Terran units are good, but you need to make them even better as you improve. It's actually such a fragile unit composition, you can lose literally half your army to one baneling landmine, and then lose the rest because 24/controlgroup mutas, as all your AA died to 2 banelings. | ||
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MattBarry
United States4006 Posts
On December 16 2011 03:15 SupLilSon wrote: The irony of this post... And did I read correctly? Protoss players are now claiming that warpgate is a disadvantage somehow? You know you don't HAVE to research it, right? You can also turn warpgates back into gateways. I'll be waiting for this new metagame shift where protoss players opt not to get warpgate tech because it is more effective to use gateways. Oh wait... that is totally ridiculous. Gateway units are balanced around the idea of instant reinforcements. Such a metagame shift will never happen. God this thread is stupid. | ||
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