My suggestion. Stay like a close friend with your girl at least for now, and after a years or two or three, if everything good, you still love her and she's too, then at least you try to convince her dad again.
16 years old girl tend to have short mind and miss understanding about love. When she said she love you? How is exactly a love term in her mind? Is it because she admire you? is it she adore you? is it because you're look so cool? is it because you're mature and give her sense of security? Is it because you're very trusty person? or other.
I'm not sure what is her mind regarding you, but take my advice. For now, stay with your girlfriend as a friend, or may be a "very close friend". But no more than that. You are in the most unfortunate position right now, if you can keep your level of relationship in the next two or three years, you're good to go. Because she will be 19 years old, considered already mature and her father got no reason to get in your way (unless you're leaving a permanent bad judgement to him, or because he's got ego about his position as mature person and a father. Trust me, some parent won't admit if they can be wrong on something that in their field of expertise)
When I was at high school, my uncle actually marrying 16-17 years old girl... I was like: "WTF?!?! This girl is at the same age like me. Ooooh uncle, you're so mess up... come on." (TBH, when I see her. My mind is on GTO Manga. "Damn it, having sex legally with cute young girl, it only happen in a Manga...! But now, it's going to happen in real life, fuck! I hate u, uncle...!" I got no girlfriend that time :D) How their relationship right now? Everything is good. But, I must admit, 17 years old cute girl as a wife probably only good with your "biological need", but very bad at how seeing harsh reality in her married life. And this problem do appear in their first several years life, because of this, she's causing several discomfort around their neighbor, and around our family relative (mostly, either she's just being clueless, un-mature, egoist, or just because their neighbor is just an asshole people)
Again, if you're serious about her. Stay as close friend is a best option for now. Until she's reaching her "mature age" (the age that your community think as mature), 19 years old is mature age (at least in my opinion). As a close friend, you can know her better and better, along with the time goes. You will know her personality, you will know how good she is and how bad she can be. After all of this, you still love her, and she still love you. It's the time to hit the jackpot -> Go to her Dad
Oh, when I said "Go to her Dad" I'm not suggesting to only talk about marriage, at least you can show him if both of you really worthed to be together as a couple
Your relationship would only end in marriage & children followed by divorce or depression anyways.
She's not a person yet, i'm not even sure you are. Let her experience the world and get a past before you plan your common future. If in a couple of years she can define herself only as a wife and mother (possibly with a job, but likely not one where she's stimulated), shit is gonna crash and burn. She's gonna want the life she never lived or accept that it's impossible and fall into depression. GG.
The system of young marriages is antiquated and rightly so. Today it's reserved for only the most trusting of couples who fall in love then travel the world and earn common experiences without paranoia of new experiences leading to the erosion of their relationship. Going straight from school into a townhouse in suburbia is a sure recipe for disaster.
Rofl at people who are saying it's creepy. You guys are completely out of your minds and have some messed up sense of artificial barriers. 4 year difference makes him a creep? Wow... I wonder if one of you guys is the father ^_^
Given that girls generally mature faster than boys and the fact they are both kids (yes, at 20 years old you're a kid just like a 16-year old) the age difference is practically non existent. I've seen 30-year olds date 19-year olds and make it work really well, some of them even got married. I guess your parents are exactly one year in between?
Comedy. And to the op, I sympathize with you. It's not like you guys are destined to be together or anything, but shit like this getting in the way of a nice little romance is always depressing. Good luck.
LOLOLOL at the equations, god some people in this world are weird.
So when a girl tell ur their age u got ok well 24 divided by 2 = 12 so + 10 that means 22, ok turn to girl sorry ur 1 year to young to date me.
Go for it nothing wrong with it, some girls are more mature than others, i know people at 16 that have a better head on their shoulder than people at 30.
On November 28 2011 00:38 Thrill wrote: Your relationship would only end in marriage & children followed by divorce or depression anyways.
She's not a person yet, i'm not even sure you are. Let her experience the world and get a past before you plan your common future. If in a couple of years she can define herself only as a wife and mother (possibly with a job, but likely not one where she's stimulated), shit is gonna crash and burn. She's gonna want the life she never lived or accept that it's impossible and fall into depression. GG.
The system of young marriages is antiquated and rightly so. Today it's reserved for only the most trusting of couples who fall in love then travel the world and earn common experiences without paranoia of new experiences leading to the erosion of their relationship. Going straight from school into a townhouse in suburbia is a sure recipe for disaster.
Your mindset is a real problem. The assumption that we're going to jump straight to making a family is exactly the assumption her father is making. All the two of us wanted was what any young and new couple wants: a chance to see if our relationship would work and become real. We were never given that chance. Her dad decided it was his role to make that decision for us. It all comes down to him being an absolute control freak who thinks that everyone is as stupid as he was when he was my age.
LOL, all the arguing. From my PoV and my own experiences 16 == 20 == 22 and I'd be hard pressed to say that unless you start a family it also == 30. Most women do tend to get a bit more stable closer to 30 but I've seen the opposite also. Found it quite funny that the 22 yo was telling the 20yo that 16yo is too young, since it's all the same. 18 may be voting age but it has nothing to do with adulthood, that comes way later. Way way later.
On November 28 2011 17:53 dakalro wrote: LOL, all the arguing. From my PoV and my own experiences 16 == 20 == 22 and I'd be hard pressed to say that unless you start a family it also == 30. Most women do tend to get a bit more stable closer to 30 but I've seen the opposite also. Found it quite funny that the 22 yo was telling the 20yo that 16yo is too young, since it's all the same. 18 may be voting age but it has nothing to do with adulthood, that comes way later. Way way later.
In some cases it can also come much earlier, I don't think we should forget that.
On November 26 2011 21:13 Myrkul wrote: I am in an honest mood, so I will give you my opinion with no sugarcoating.
I think that there is nothing inherently and blatantly wrong with the 16-20 scenario, and all in all I pretty much agree with Nazgul. When I was in high school I knew and was friends with a few girls who had older boyfriends, one case was 17-30 and they worked pretty well untill she dumped him for cheating or something, (don't actually recall the exact reason anymore)
On the other hand my opinion is that a real and healthy relationship cannot happen without both parties being intellectual equals, or atleast close to it. These guys I knew back then, who could fall in love and would want to date a highschooler were in my opinion all very immature for their age, and I remember thinking: someone who I can talk to like an equal when I'm 17 and they are 21,23 or 30, is not someone I would like to grow up to be like. Back then it seemed an equivalent with me at 17 dating a 14yearold or something, which was (and still is) to me, unthinkable. Not because of some arbitrary formula or because it's not deemed socially acceptable or whatever, but because I knew what I was like at 14, and what the girls were like, and what they talked about and what they thought about at that age, and to my mind 14-17, or for that matter 16-20, 17-21 or 17-30, are completely different intellectual worlds, in almost every respect.
Another point would be that girls from the age of 13-18 or so, when they start to develop an interest in the opposite sex, can act a lot more mature than they really are, simply because relationships generaly weigh heavily on their minds at that time, and having a boyfriend is frequently a priority, and having an older boyfriend makes them feel good about themselves. They are not really looking for a life-partner at that age, but essentially exploring. While there are cases where such relationships can work longterm, they are exceedingly rare.
So I guess my point is, if you think you and this girl are equals in every way that matters, go for it, although in my experience this "thing" with you, for her is not a long-term thing, even if she thinks it is now.
My second point is that you're probably not a guy I could like in real life, or could harbor a lot of respect for.
As for specific advice what to do right now, there is none to be given, since every one of us posters is operating with extremely limited information, and you're in a far better situation to judge what to do than us, so if I were you, I would not base my actions in the following few days on anything anyone has to say here, It's up to you to think it through, and do what you think is best (that's pretty much all anyone can do, and does, at any time)
Good luck, if it works out I hope you two share lots of happy moments which you will remember fondly for the rest of your life, and if it doesn't, I hope it all resolves with as little suffering as possible for everyone concerned.
I realize it might not last forever, I'm looking at the present while placing the future slightly to the side so I don't get ahead of myself. It's definitely on my mind (my future, that is) and I definitely would say I hope it does last, but all I want is for us to have the chance to see for ourselves if it does, rather than have others decide for us that it isn't right or that it won't work out anyway. It should be for us to find out, not for others to predict.
It should be pointed out that your opinion of me is completely irrelevant and an unnecessary part of your post, and only served to diminish what you've said here. Ad hominem has no place in any discussion.
This is not a discussion, you have not proposed a theory or argument nor anything of the sort, you simply described a situation, and asked others to comment on it. A comment is not a formal logical discussion. I didn't say I think your opinion is wrong because I don't like you, I simply stated that I don't like you, there is no fallacy here.
Prettty much the point of these forums is that a topic is brought up, and everyone writes down their current thought proccess on the subject, and this is exactly what I did. If you wanted people to not comment on the situation, but just limit themselves to advising you, your charge of irrelevancy would be applicable to 90% of the posts here. But you limited it to me, because you didn't like my comment, and wanted to retaliate while at the same time appearing very mature about it, which I guess is understandable. In fact the best example of irrelevancy in this thread I can find is your offtopic speculation as to the motives of those writing the "socially acceptable dating formula".
Anyway, I've already involved myself way more with this thread than I usually do, don't really know why I'm replying right now, I think it was your innacurate fallacy charge that brought me in the second time.
Bottom line is, you asked for a comment, I gave one, case closed, nobody says you have to like it.
I didn't say anything about it being fallacious, simply that it was unnecessary and served no purpose.
I really feel like insulting the crap out of you right now for not knowing what the big words you use actually mean, but I'll stick to just pointing the obvious. Ad hominem is the formal name of A LOGICAL FALLACY, in which someone negates a claim, or attacks an argument by attacking it's proponent on a personal level. Example: You are a thief and a liar, therefore your argument for the existence of God is worthless.
I struggle to see what you would even have in common with a 16 year old still in school at the age of 20.
Situation difference was actually what ended one of my relationships - I left schoool while she still had 2 years to go. I entered the workforce and the real world, and we suddenly had very little in common and very little to talk about, so we drifted apart.
On November 29 2011 19:06 Dhalphir wrote: I struggle to see what you would even have in common with a 16 year old still in school at the age of 20.
Situation difference was actually what ended one of my relationships - I left schoool while she still had 2 years to go. I entered the workforce and the real world, and we suddenly had very little in common and very little to talk about, so we drifted apart.
This kind of argument assumes that all relationships are the same.
On November 26 2011 21:13 Myrkul wrote: I am in an honest mood, so I will give you my opinion with no sugarcoating.
I think that there is nothing inherently and blatantly wrong with the 16-20 scenario, and all in all I pretty much agree with Nazgul. When I was in high school I knew and was friends with a few girls who had older boyfriends, one case was 17-30 and they worked pretty well untill she dumped him for cheating or something, (don't actually recall the exact reason anymore)
On the other hand my opinion is that a real and healthy relationship cannot happen without both parties being intellectual equals, or atleast close to it. These guys I knew back then, who could fall in love and would want to date a highschooler were in my opinion all very immature for their age, and I remember thinking: someone who I can talk to like an equal when I'm 17 and they are 21,23 or 30, is not someone I would like to grow up to be like. Back then it seemed an equivalent with me at 17 dating a 14yearold or something, which was (and still is) to me, unthinkable. Not because of some arbitrary formula or because it's not deemed socially acceptable or whatever, but because I knew what I was like at 14, and what the girls were like, and what they talked about and what they thought about at that age, and to my mind 14-17, or for that matter 16-20, 17-21 or 17-30, are completely different intellectual worlds, in almost every respect.
Another point would be that girls from the age of 13-18 or so, when they start to develop an interest in the opposite sex, can act a lot more mature than they really are, simply because relationships generaly weigh heavily on their minds at that time, and having a boyfriend is frequently a priority, and having an older boyfriend makes them feel good about themselves. They are not really looking for a life-partner at that age, but essentially exploring. While there are cases where such relationships can work longterm, they are exceedingly rare.
So I guess my point is, if you think you and this girl are equals in every way that matters, go for it, although in my experience this "thing" with you, for her is not a long-term thing, even if she thinks it is now.
My second point is that you're probably not a guy I could like in real life, or could harbor a lot of respect for.
As for specific advice what to do right now, there is none to be given, since every one of us posters is operating with extremely limited information, and you're in a far better situation to judge what to do than us, so if I were you, I would not base my actions in the following few days on anything anyone has to say here, It's up to you to think it through, and do what you think is best (that's pretty much all anyone can do, and does, at any time)
Good luck, if it works out I hope you two share lots of happy moments which you will remember fondly for the rest of your life, and if it doesn't, I hope it all resolves with as little suffering as possible for everyone concerned.
I realize it might not last forever, I'm looking at the present while placing the future slightly to the side so I don't get ahead of myself. It's definitely on my mind (my future, that is) and I definitely would say I hope it does last, but all I want is for us to have the chance to see for ourselves if it does, rather than have others decide for us that it isn't right or that it won't work out anyway. It should be for us to find out, not for others to predict.
It should be pointed out that your opinion of me is completely irrelevant and an unnecessary part of your post, and only served to diminish what you've said here. Ad hominem has no place in any discussion.
This is not a discussion, you have not proposed a theory or argument nor anything of the sort, you simply described a situation, and asked others to comment on it. A comment is not a formal logical discussion. I didn't say I think your opinion is wrong because I don't like you, I simply stated that I don't like you, there is no fallacy here.
Prettty much the point of these forums is that a topic is brought up, and everyone writes down their current thought proccess on the subject, and this is exactly what I did. If you wanted people to not comment on the situation, but just limit themselves to advising you, your charge of irrelevancy would be applicable to 90% of the posts here. But you limited it to me, because you didn't like my comment, and wanted to retaliate while at the same time appearing very mature about it, which I guess is understandable. In fact the best example of irrelevancy in this thread I can find is your offtopic speculation as to the motives of those writing the "socially acceptable dating formula".
Anyway, I've already involved myself way more with this thread than I usually do, don't really know why I'm replying right now, I think it was your innacurate fallacy charge that brought me in the second time.
Bottom line is, you asked for a comment, I gave one, case closed, nobody says you have to like it.
I didn't say anything about it being fallacious, simply that it was unnecessary and served no purpose.
I really feel like insulting the crap out of you right now for not knowing what the big words you use actually mean, but I'll stick to just pointing the obvious. Ad hominem is the formal name of A LOGICAL FALLACY, in which someone negates a claim, or attacks an argument by attacking it's proponent on a personal level. Example: You are a thief and a liar, therefore your argument for the existence of God is worthless.
Now please stop replying to my posts
Do you really think everything you just said is accurate? Sure it's on every list of logical fallacy, but that doesn't mean it only has to be a part of an argument, and it also doesn't mean it's ever necessary. For that matter, a lot of what you have said is fallacious, and when I said "I didn't say anything about it being fallacious" I was being truthful, I wasn't directly referring to anything being so, but that doesn't mean it wasn't. As for my words being used incorrectly, I see none. If you don't want me replying to your posts, maybe get the fuck out of my blog?
Lol, i don´t know what should be so wrong with 4 years different if they know what they do and are carefull. My first boyfriend was even 5 years older and i never regret it. I have 3 boys myself and never messed any of their relationships.
GL Fritos. Just expect the coffee meet with the dad to lead to something more between you and her daughter (so that at least any expectation about the outcome of the talk won't devastate you if in case it's not what you expected). Just think about it as him wanting to at least take the initiative to talk to you.
On November 30 2011 07:13 ABagOfFritos wrote: So it seems that this isn't over. Her dad texted me out of the blue today and asked if I wanted to go for coffee this week.
On November 30 2011 07:13 ABagOfFritos wrote: So it seems that this isn't over. Her dad texted me out of the blue today and asked if I wanted to go for coffee this week.