No admin ever told him to pause a game. He was in a booth, isolated, and he paused it to complain to an admin.
I'm not saying an admin told him to pause the game, I'm saying the admin told him it was cross spawns only. Naniwa has no reason to interrupt his own game to complain about something if the admin didn't tell him that. MLG says the admin didn't tell him that but Naniwa says they did. Naniwa has no reason to lie, MLG does
No admin ever told him to pause a game. He was in a booth, isolated, and he paused it to complain to an admin.
I'm not saying an admin told him to pause the game, I'm saying the admin told him it was cross spawns only. Naniwa has no reason to interrupt his own game to complain about something if the admin didn't tell him that. MLG says the admin didn't tell him that but Naniwa says they did. Naniwa has no reason to lie, MLG does
Why would we lie? Players should know the spawns of the maps they'll be playing on, especially for this much money.
Aside from that, I have said what happened many times in this thread. This will be my last post. Enjoy the rest of the weekend.
On November 21 2011 01:04 Fandango wrote: Where's the investigation into the admin who told Naniwa it was cross positions only then later denied it when it turned out it wasn't?
The admin didn't tell him that, I know because I was standing right there. Why wouldn't a player playing in a National Championship know where the spawns were? He chose the map, it is his responsibility to know the intricacies involved.
There is responsibility on the players to know the settings they are competing on. The maps were not published the day of the event.
This is extremely low from mlg, telling that a player lied just to make themselves look good.
You guys obviously deserved the comment from naniwa where he gives his opinion about the tournament.
That's extremely low of YOU, accusing someone of being a liar without any firsthand information.
Thank you for responding to the situation. I know it's hard to make a statement in any way when some many people are swayed one way or another. It takes major cajones just to put it out there. Thank you again.
Also, thank you, and everyone at the MLG Organization, for taking it on yourselves to run the Pro Circuit and provide us with such great entertainment. Sometimes it's rough with know-it-all snipers, but rest assured, you guys are doing a great job.
I'm glad you guys are here to put these events up, than to not be here and have us just laddering. <3
No admin ever told him to pause a game. He was in a booth, isolated, and he paused it to complain to an admin.
I'm not saying an admin told him to pause the game, I'm saying the admin told him it was cross spawns only. Naniwa has no reason to interrupt his own game to complain about something if the admin didn't tell him that. MLG says the admin didn't tell him that but Naniwa says they did. Naniwa has no reason to lie, MLG does
Naniwa has EVERY reason to pause the game because his tournament life was at stake. Considering how he chose to open that game with a cannon rush, know the exact spawn location without having to scout is a pretty nice advantage.
MLG Adam has NO incentive to lie, especially now -- Naniwa won the match anyway, and if someone did tell Naniwa that it was cross spawns they could easily just admit to it and apologize. It's not like Naniwa suffered any real negative consequences.
Naniwa has every reason to lie, MLG doesn't. I can't believe people don't see the obvious. Are we in topsy-turvy town?
Edit: Not saying anyone 'lied'. i personally agree that there was a geniune misunderstanding, or simply that Naniwa made an assumption about the maps -- maybe he was mixing up rules from different tournaments and remembering in correctly.
Point is, Casters or Admin should be choosing maps, saying he chose the map, IMO rather then being like, well naniwa screwed up, it was his choice, I'm thinking why the hell would the players invite people? they have insane pressure and just zoom through everything, its easy to make a mistake, from now on MLG should choose all maps and double check.
Now I kind of understand naniwa saying "what a joke tournament". First game he scout 10 pool early and is in a great early advantage and they tell him they have to rematch for something out of his control. Then they tell him its cross map only and its not, allowing nestea to get the 15 hatch down...I'd be pissed too
On November 21 2011 05:08 chrissummers wrote: I love the part of "no impact".
it is the intention and not the result that matters. otherwise an attempted murder would not be brought to court, just because it had "no impact".
And obviously there is something in your rules, saying players must show sportmanslike behaviour and be fair.
But you rather have some haters than a big drama about a forfeit etc, don't you?
He got a technical foul though. Not for that alone but for the whole incident as far as I`ve understood. Besides it is not expressly forbidden to watch replays in MLG so your murder analogy is stretching it.
On November 21 2011 01:04 Fandango wrote: Where's the investigation into the admin who told Naniwa it was cross positions only then later denied it when it turned out it wasn't?
The admin didn't tell him that, I know because I was standing right there. Why wouldn't a player playing in a National Championship know where the spawns were? He chose the map, it is his responsibility to know the intricacies involved.
There is responsibility on the players to know the settings they are competing on. The maps were not published the day of the event.
Then why is he saying something very different in the above linked video? And you should know that there have been a lot of different versions of Shakura's and even different MLG versions, so no, it's not only the responsibility of the player it's the responsibility of the staff of the tournament to be able to answer a simple question. I wasn't there obviously, but from how Naniwa described it he's pretty clearly referring to a time when it was just him talking to the one admin alone, also why on earth would he pause the game after being told that it wasn't cross positions only? Why would he scout that direction to begin with?
You're painting a picture and it aint pretty kid and I don't like the look of it. Not one bit.
I rly fail to see why I should believe what Naniwa said about the whole incident when he clearly doesnt value fairness. There were lots of examples just the last 2 days ( calling a Nesteas move "idiotic", no handshake with DRG, checking replay, call MLG a "joke tournament" etc etc). This whole thing just shows me (again) that he is an egomanic kid.
On November 21 2011 08:47 Jabbo wrote: I rly fail to see why I should believe what Naniwa said about the whole incident when he clearly doesnt value fairness. There were lots of examples just the last 2 days ( calling a Nesteas move "idiotic", no handshake with DRG, checking replay, call MLG a "joke tournament" etc etc). This whole thing just shows me (again) that he is an egomanic kid.
Are you an idiot? Seriously? Just wow, just wooow, Naniwa and DRG are team mates and it was in a friendly manner there; Did you even watch or are you just repeating others?
On November 21 2011 08:47 Jabbo wrote: I rly fail to see why I should believe what Naniwa said about the whole incident when he clearly doesnt value fairness. There were lots of examples just the last 2 days ( calling a Nesteas move "idiotic", no handshake with DRG, checking replay, call MLG a "joke tournament" etc etc). This whole thing just shows me (again) that he is an egomanic kid.
I am embarrassed to be associated with you through being a part of the sc2 community..some time ago I thought "we" were the smartest gaming community, but reading posts like yours I wonder how you manage to breathe irl. Jesus christ.