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Nikerym
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia17 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-21 05:59:28
November 21 2011 05:58 GMT
#161
On November 21 2011 01:09 MLG_Adam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2011 01:08 Seiniyta wrote:
On November 21 2011 01:06 MLG_Adam wrote:
On November 21 2011 01:04 Fandango wrote:
Where's the investigation into the admin who told Naniwa it was cross positions only then later denied it when it turned out it wasn't?


The admin didn't tell him that, I know because I was standing right there. Why wouldn't a player playing in a National Championship know where the spawns were? He chose the map, it is his responsibility to know the intricacies involved.

There is responsibility on the players to know the settings they are competing on. The maps were not published the day of the event.


on the site (I haven't checked today) it still stated that Shakuras Plateau was cross map only... (I could have misread too, it was around 3-4 am when I checked that )



Link?



Edit: Never mind already been discussed. Please delte
numberThirtyOne
Profile Joined March 2008
United States294 Posts
November 21 2011 05:58 GMT
#162
Not like MLG has never fucked up their own maps before. Anyone remember Tyler vs PainUser? Tyler knew the map was wrong and asked the referee who assured him Lost Temple was the correct map. Then just as Tyler breaks PainUser's natural, they cancel the game and make him replay on another map. Unless Tyler made that story up.
voIDRAys are the most bm unit in SC2
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
November 21 2011 06:02 GMT
#163
This whole fiasco is why I prefer TeamLiquid to Reddit
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
November 21 2011 06:28 GMT
#164
in naniwa we trust MLG has full responsibility for stipulating and enforcing rules.
I'm Quotable (IQ)
Robinsa
Profile Joined May 2009
Japan1333 Posts
November 21 2011 09:42 GMT
#165
I think its good that MLG tries to clear this up. It should have been announced on the stream as well though to repair the damage you did to Naniwa. I think a lot of the booing etc could have been avoided if you had annnounced it properly.
4649!!
Irby
Profile Joined May 2011
United States55 Posts
November 21 2011 21:36 GMT
#166
On November 21 2011 01:06 MLG_Adam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2011 01:04 Fandango wrote:
Where's the investigation into the admin who told Naniwa it was cross positions only then later denied it when it turned out it wasn't?


The admin didn't tell him that, I know because I was standing right there. Why wouldn't a player playing in a National Championship know where the spawns were? He chose the map, it is his responsibility to know the intricacies involved.


So he just made it up because he wanted to re-game? Riiiiiiiight....

There is responsibility on the players to know the settings they are competing on. The maps were not published the day of the event.


I agree with this.
Live every day to make the world a better place :)
mechavoc
Profile Joined December 2010
United States664 Posts
November 21 2011 21:44 GMT
#167
Seriously I can't believe people think this is cheating..

Replays are part of the game that is not cheating that is called prep.

Naniwa didn't reset the match MLG did.


Naniwa did no wrong in my view.
Shinta)
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1716 Posts
November 21 2011 22:29 GMT
#168
On November 21 2011 01:06 MLG_Adam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2011 01:04 Fandango wrote:
Where's the investigation into the admin who told Naniwa it was cross positions only then later denied it when it turned out it wasn't?


The admin didn't tell him that, I know because I was standing right there. Why wouldn't a player playing in a National Championship know where the spawns were? He chose the map, it is his responsibility to know the intricacies involved.

There is responsibility on the players to know the settings they are competing on. The maps were not published the day of the event.

I'm not sure I believe you that the admin (or some MLG staff, or SOMEONE) didn't tell him that it was cross spawn only. I do agree that he should have known the map before he started. I do believe that the MLG rules are confusing. I do believe that there should be a RULES section, and then another section that states the changes that have been made over time, NOT 1 section that has the entire log of rules that have changed over the course of the season (and if you keep this one log, of multiple seasons).

I do believe that NaNiWa was most likely mislead somehow, and that the person who mislead him should apologize. I don't know whether or not that was an MLG official or some random guy at MLG that he thought was an MLG official or just said was an MLG official to provide a more convincing case (I wasn't there listening to everything for myself, so it's hard to believe something surely).

I think MLG should feel sorry that the situation occurred, and that if it DID so happen that they were at fault, they should make an open apology, and if it so happened that they WEREN'T at fault that they shouldn't. People will gossip regardless.... What's important is that the right thing is done!

All aside, my favorite players didn't win, but it was a great event. Thanks MLG for making all of this possible, and I look forward to next season's great tournaments! If you all have one in Texas, I'll try my best to make it and I really hope it's possible ^____^
Suteki Da Ne 素敵だね Isn't it Wonderful
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
November 21 2011 22:33 GMT
#169
On November 21 2011 01:10 MLG_Adam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2011 01:08 turamn wrote:
On November 21 2011 01:06 MLG_Adam wrote:
On November 21 2011 01:04 Fandango wrote:
Where's the investigation into the admin who told Naniwa it was cross positions only then later denied it when it turned out it wasn't?


The admin didn't tell him that, I know because I was standing right there. Why wouldn't a player playing in a National Championship know where the spawns were? He chose the map, it is his responsibility to know the intricacies involved.

There is responsibility on the players to know the settings they are competing on. The maps were not published the day of the event.


So, you're basically saying he lied for whatever reason to achieve whatever goal? I don't know that this makes any sense and it would seem MLG has more face to save than Naniwa by trying to convince the public that their guy was right, but whatevs.



I'm not saying anyone lied. I'm saying there was an obvious miscommunication concerning an ambiguous question concerning general map spawns.



Precisely and let's leave it at that. There really is no issue here. People will try to find anything to harp on.
Irby
Profile Joined May 2011
United States55 Posts
November 21 2011 22:47 GMT
#170
On November 21 2011 01:06 MLG_Adam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2011 01:04 Fandango wrote:
Where's the investigation into the admin who told Naniwa it was cross positions only then later denied it when it turned out it wasn't?


The admin didn't tell him that, I know because I was standing right there. Why wouldn't a player playing in a National Championship know where the spawns were? He chose the map, it is his responsibility to know the intricacies involved.


I doubt he just made it up though. Something must have been said somewhere...
Live every day to make the world a better place :)
Xxavi
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1248 Posts
November 22 2011 01:54 GMT
#171
It's disgraceful how Naniwa acted in all of this. First, he is "brave, honest and open" in his interview and in that he called MLG a joke, then he has to back track and act modest, humble and actually nice seeing how everybody reacted to his BMs.

Yet, it is still embarrassing to see all these fanboys saying he has done no wrong. He SHOULD KNOW THE MAPS, period. I said it from get go when he stopped that it is his mistake if he doesn't/didn't know.
tadL
Profile Joined September 2010
Croatia679 Posts
November 23 2011 20:13 GMT
#172
wp nani, build order scout by coach in my eyes. who needs scouting if you can pause the game and call a guy to tell you what your opponents opening is.

lleberg
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden19 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-23 20:39:06
November 23 2011 20:24 GMT
#173
Naniwa was on last nights F Slasher, it was quite interesting.
If you haven't heard, then you should. http://tv.majorleaguegaming.com/videos/79684-slasher-episode-27 Naniwa is on from 3:30, about the pause-games from 14:00

And as he has stated earlier on twitter, he has been in professional gamin for nearly 8 years, why do people think he would cheat? And why doesn't the starcraft community support foreginers that do well?

If you still hate on Naniwa, you're either a troll or Nestea fanboy.. Imho.
oDieN[Siege]
Profile Joined November 2009
United States2905 Posts
November 23 2011 20:27 GMT
#174
Thanks, Adam! :D
말크 : ^_^~ NeO)GabuAt, vGODieN
tadL
Profile Joined September 2010
Croatia679 Posts
November 23 2011 20:27 GMT
#175
lleberg, catch some wc3 history with naniwa. i am actually suprised that he has fanboys. and i am not a hater but if he didnt cheat...saddam had also weapons of mass destruction ^^

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lleberg
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden19 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-23 20:46:32
November 23 2011 20:41 GMT
#176
tadL: Saying naniwa is like saddam hussein makes you a troll, nothing else.

And this isn't about history, this is about what happened at mlg providence.

The thing that worries me is that there are starcraft fans that like "decides" that naniwa cheated and spews it all over the internet without even knowing the facts about anything on the matter.
I thought more of the starcraft community.
Polox
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden115 Posts
November 23 2011 20:47 GMT
#177
On November 24 2011 05:27 tadL wrote:
lleberg, catch some wc3 history with naniwa. i am actually suprised that he has fanboys. and i am not a hater but if he didnt cheat...saddam had also weapons of mass destruction ^^


He didn't cheat, should be obvious. "Additionally, to clarify, the Complexity manager was allowed in the booth, accompanied by MLG staff"
Phobbers
Profile Joined May 2011
773 Posts
November 23 2011 20:50 GMT
#178
On November 24 2011 05:41 lleberg wrote:
tadL: Saying naniwa is like saddam hussein makes you a troll, nothing else.

And this isn't about history, this is about what happened at mlg providence.

You're being very narrow-minded if you don't think history doesn't play a roll here. I hate to harp on someone, but TT1 has been caught cheating before, and guess what? That still follows him to this very day. While some of us learn to forget the past, sometimes getting kicked off 5+ teams and even getting kicked out of your own home because of acting like a dick can play a vital roll in how people view you. I'm all for supporting Naniwa, but sometimes your past can haunt you.
EG/C9/ALL/TSM
babo213
Profile Joined January 2011
United States266 Posts
November 23 2011 21:08 GMT
#179
In the future you shouldn't be able to watch or look at the build order screen if it's a regame imo
Tarotis
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Germany1931 Posts
November 23 2011 21:13 GMT
#180
On November 24 2011 05:47 Polox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2011 05:27 tadL wrote:
lleberg, catch some wc3 history with naniwa. i am actually suprised that he has fanboys. and i am not a hater but if he didnt cheat...saddam had also weapons of mass destruction ^^


He didn't cheat, should be obvious. "Additionally, to clarify, the Complexity manager was allowed in the booth, accompanied by MLG staff"

If you would read what he says it would be ovious that he is talking about Naniwas WC3 history, not about the MLG thing
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