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MLG_Adam
Profile Joined July 2010
United States994 Posts
November 20 2011 17:36 GMT
#121
By the way, anyone with MLG rank points will be drafted into our invasion militia.

Can we stop with the change log nonsense and discuss impending occupation of a foreign nation?
Twitter: MrAdamAp
RockIronrod
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia1369 Posts
November 20 2011 17:36 GMT
#122
On November 21 2011 02:33 daliLlama wrote:
Ok, i guess we just dont se things the same way and there isnt much we can do about that i guess so GG.

Why is the change log importat though?

You don't think that a specific outlining of all the changes over time to the map pool is important?
daliLlama
Profile Joined September 2011
Sweden25 Posts
November 20 2011 17:38 GMT
#123
On November 21 2011 02:33 mvtaylor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2011 02:29 daliLlama wrote:
I still dont understand your point of view; If you CAN make something simpler to prevent mistakes, why not do it?

And i would think that the larger the tournament and prize pool, the more clear things ought to be?


Because literally NO ONE had a problem understanding that webapge until naniwa so they saw no need to change it as every other competitor in every other MLG had managed to understand the rules? Why would they change the webpage from yesterday to today?

They might change it before the first 2012 event, let's call it naniwa's law


Yeah, im not saying its a HUGE deal, im just confused about the people defending things being more confusing than they need to be. (Even if they arent very confusing at all to begin with) So please understand that i am not mad and on the MLG conspiracy bandwagon.

Also are you sure there hasnt been more confusion? We get to se maybe 5% of all the games in the tour so might be more open bracket confusion. Just saying.

And yes, im not DEMANDING and IMMEDIATE change (!!), its just something to think about for the future to avoid this sort of completely pointless drama.
daliLlama
Profile Joined September 2011
Sweden25 Posts
November 20 2011 17:41 GMT
#124
On November 21 2011 02:36 RockIronrod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2011 02:33 daliLlama wrote:
Ok, i guess we just dont se things the same way and there isnt much we can do about that i guess so GG.

Why is the change log importat though?

You don't think that a specific outlining of all the changes over time to the map pool is important?


Im not trying to make a point, im actually asking. Why is it important?

But no, i dont really think its important, unless im just missing something?
diophan
Profile Joined September 2011
United States1018 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-20 17:43:52
November 20 2011 17:43 GMT
#125
On November 21 2011 02:41 daliLlama wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2011 02:36 RockIronrod wrote:
On November 21 2011 02:33 daliLlama wrote:
Ok, i guess we just dont se things the same way and there isnt much we can do about that i guess so GG.

Why is the change log importat though?

You don't think that a specific outlining of all the changes over time to the map pool is important?


Im not trying to make a point, im actually asking. Why is it important?

But no, i dont really think its important, unless im just missing something?


Watching people's replays where their build seems silly from a couple MLGs ago but you realize they had it specifically for cross positions Shakuras, or if you're confused why someone is scouting a certain way and trying to figure out why, and then you look at the changelog and realize only certain spawns were possible. Plus it's of general interest to see the evolution of the map pool.

Plus basically everything related to software includes a changelog somewhere.
daliLlama
Profile Joined September 2011
Sweden25 Posts
November 20 2011 17:44 GMT
#126
On November 21 2011 02:43 diophan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2011 02:41 daliLlama wrote:
On November 21 2011 02:36 RockIronrod wrote:
On November 21 2011 02:33 daliLlama wrote:
Ok, i guess we just dont se things the same way and there isnt much we can do about that i guess so GG.

Why is the change log importat though?

You don't think that a specific outlining of all the changes over time to the map pool is important?


Im not trying to make a point, im actually asking. Why is it important?

But no, i dont really think its important, unless im just missing something?


Watching people's replays where their build seems silly from a couple MLGs ago but you realize they had it specifically for cross positions Shakuras, or if you're confused why someone is scouting a certain way and trying to figure out why, and then you look at the changelog and realize only certain spawns were possible. Plus it's of general interest to see the evolution of the map pool.

Plus basically everything related to software includes a changelog somewhere.


Yeah, good point. I can see that being important actually.
Lavi
Profile Joined November 2011
Bangladesh793 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-20 17:49:01
November 20 2011 17:45 GMT
#127
On November 21 2011 01:12 kmkg wrote:
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On November 21 2011 01:09 Exarl25 wrote:
On November 21 2011 01:00 MLG_Adam wrote:
Moving forward, we will look at rules outlawing any replay views on a tournament PC


Why? No tournament I know of has any rules against this. I have got absolutely no idea why people assumed MLG did.

This has never been an issue before, don't go changing your rules just because /r/starcraft is an idiotic bandwagon.



GSL forbids every kind of replay watching in between matches.


I heard IPL also...

anyways thanks adam & MLG for the clarification.

as said after the first stop the build over is shown anyways on score screen anyways (blizzard UI problem for tournaments) , should of just re-game on a different map in that type of situation if you want to be totally fair across the board.
Fandango
Profile Joined October 2011
291 Posts
November 20 2011 17:46 GMT
#128
On November 21 2011 02:36 MLG_Adam wrote:
By the way, anyone with MLG rank points will be drafted into our invasion militia.

Can we stop with the change log nonsense and discuss impending occupation of a foreign nation?


Ha, trying to divert attention from the actual drama in order to focus on some crackpot's bizarre conspiracy theory?

Well played MLG, well played. I don't know what your real plan is but for damn sure it's not got anything to do with Sweden or investors from Macau and nothing to do with this tournament. The game is afoot and the starting pistol has rang its final bell, let the dogs of war begin!
MLG_Adam
Profile Joined July 2010
United States994 Posts
November 20 2011 17:48 GMT
#129
On November 21 2011 02:46 Fandango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2011 02:36 MLG_Adam wrote:
By the way, anyone with MLG rank points will be drafted into our invasion militia.

Can we stop with the change log nonsense and discuss impending occupation of a foreign nation?


Ha, trying to divert attention from the actual drama in order to focus on some crackpot's bizarre conspiracy theory?

Well played MLG, well played. I don't know what your real plan is but for damn sure it's not got anything to do with Sweden or investors from Macau and nothing to do with this tournament. The game is afoot and the starting pistol has rang its final bell, let the dogs of war begin!



You're good; a worthy adversary.

Confusion is one of the key tenants of the Art of War.
Twitter: MrAdamAp
Fandango
Profile Joined October 2011
291 Posts
November 20 2011 17:50 GMT
#130
On November 21 2011 02:48 MLG_Adam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2011 02:46 Fandango wrote:
On November 21 2011 02:36 MLG_Adam wrote:
By the way, anyone with MLG rank points will be drafted into our invasion militia.

Can we stop with the change log nonsense and discuss impending occupation of a foreign nation?


Ha, trying to divert attention from the actual drama in order to focus on some crackpot's bizarre conspiracy theory?

Well played MLG, well played. I don't know what your real plan is but for damn sure it's not got anything to do with Sweden or investors from Macau and nothing to do with this tournament. The game is afoot and the starting pistol has rang its final bell, let the dogs of war begin!



You're good; a worthy adversary.

Confusion is one of the key tenants of the Art of War.


Ah, but Confucius is one of the key tenants of the Apartment of War.
Let it Raine
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1245 Posts
November 20 2011 17:53 GMT
#131
the real drama should be around the lack of replays!

is it even possible to mess with the accounts somehow found by the replay data with the new privacy settings?

so many nestea games i'd like to watch over a 1000x >_<
Grandmaster Zerg x14. Diamond 1 LoL. MLG 50, Halo 3. Raine.
diophan
Profile Joined September 2011
United States1018 Posts
November 20 2011 17:59 GMT
#132
On November 21 2011 02:53 Let it Raine wrote:
the real drama should be around the lack of replays!

is it even possible to mess with the accounts somehow found by the replay data with the new privacy settings?

so many nestea games i'd like to watch over a 1000x >_<


They release all the replays after I think 2 weeks.
stichtom
Profile Joined March 2011
Italy695 Posts
November 20 2011 18:00 GMT
#133
What did happen?
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plutonowy
Profile Joined August 2011
Afghanistan287 Posts
November 20 2011 18:02 GMT
#134
What a big deal here?
get less comercials, get more games on stream less breaks

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Bro_Stone
Profile Joined April 2011
United States510 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-20 19:08:12
November 20 2011 18:13 GMT
#135
Stim Go Go GO!
Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
November 20 2011 18:39 GMT
#136
It would have been cool if they played a showmatch where Naniwa couldn't make one unit of Nestea's choice. :D
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JMDj
Profile Joined September 2010
United States454 Posts
November 20 2011 19:21 GMT
#137
On November 21 2011 01:00 MLG_Adam wrote:
After extensive investigation, review of the video files and 2011 Pro Circuit rules, we have determined that the replay had no impact on the tournament flow or the match results. Build orders are displayed at the end of a match on the stats screen. So the replay that was viewed would have revealed nothing the match stats page would not have revealed otherwise.


Are you kidding me? Just because you determined that the replay didn't have an effect on the match doesn't mean it's ok that Naniwa broke the rules. This is ridiculous.

The admin didn't tell him that, I know because I was standing right there. Why wouldn't a player playing in a National Championship know where the spawns were? He chose the map, it is his responsibility to know the intricacies involved.


Why would Naniwa blatantly LIE and PAUSE the game if an admin hadn't told him that? The whole story seemed very fishy, like MLG was trying to cover their asses.
MLG_Adam
Profile Joined July 2010
United States994 Posts
November 20 2011 19:23 GMT
#138
On November 21 2011 04:21 Swagasaurus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2011 01:00 MLG_Adam wrote:
After extensive investigation, review of the video files and 2011 Pro Circuit rules, we have determined that the replay had no impact on the tournament flow or the match results. Build orders are displayed at the end of a match on the stats screen. So the replay that was viewed would have revealed nothing the match stats page would not have revealed otherwise.


Are you kidding me? Just because you determined that the replay didn't have an effect on the match doesn't mean it's ok that Naniwa broke the rules. This is ridiculous.

Show nested quote +
The admin didn't tell him that, I know because I was standing right there. Why wouldn't a player playing in a National Championship know where the spawns were? He chose the map, it is his responsibility to know the intricacies involved.


Why would Naniwa blatantly LIE and PAUSE the game if an admin hadn't told him that? The whole story seemed very fishy, like MLG was trying to cover their asses.


Again.

He did not break a rule reviewing a replay, it is not in our rules that you cannot.

No admin ever told him to pause a game. He was in a booth, isolated, and he paused it to complain to an admin.

Please stop guys. This is over.
Twitter: MrAdamAp
Lunares
Profile Joined May 2010
United States909 Posts
November 20 2011 19:24 GMT
#139
On November 21 2011 04:21 Swagasaurus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2011 01:00 MLG_Adam wrote:
After extensive investigation, review of the video files and 2011 Pro Circuit rules, we have determined that the replay had no impact on the tournament flow or the match results. Build orders are displayed at the end of a match on the stats screen. So the replay that was viewed would have revealed nothing the match stats page would not have revealed otherwise.


Are you kidding me? Just because you determined that the replay didn't have an effect on the match doesn't mean it's ok that Naniwa broke the rules. This is ridiculous.

Show nested quote +
The admin didn't tell him that, I know because I was standing right there. Why wouldn't a player playing in a National Championship know where the spawns were? He chose the map, it is his responsibility to know the intricacies involved.


Why would Naniwa blatantly LIE and PAUSE the game if an admin hadn't told him that? The whole story seemed very fishy, like MLG was trying to cover their asses.


Or you know Naniwa isn't a native english speaker and he misunderstood what the admin said.
euroboy
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden536 Posts
November 20 2011 19:29 GMT
#140
I don't get it. I didn't watch the game but according to the recap, Nani asked for bathroom break but was denied, but still paused the game after it has started and went to bathroom anyway. Why was that allowed? By doing this, the situation of watching replay OR the build order (which should NOT happen) was created. By that logic, Nani is still at fault, but have I got it wrong?
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