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tadL
Profile Joined September 2010
Croatia679 Posts
November 23 2011 21:15 GMT
#181
On November 24 2011 05:41 lleberg wrote:
tadL: Saying naniwa is like saddam hussein makes you a troll, nothing else.


Well i didnt say this. I compared an old lie to a new lie. Both in have been true. But interesting what fanboys are reading with eyes closed and just "he said something against the guy i dont know but i am a fanboy off *grml*

True is, naniwa has a really bad reputation. and he is still bad mannerd and he shows it. Yes he has learned to shut up sometimes but if not then you can still listen to the boy from wc3 that really had no fans and even the one he had...well so many stories just get some google skills. rakkase should have a lot from him in archives stored.

And i still think he cheatet. He says he didnt and i dont care cause i will not trust a guy who would loose all money if he would say "well y i did". Cause he is not like Bush who lied but cant be harmed, for example.
Polox
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden115 Posts
November 23 2011 21:50 GMT
#182
On November 24 2011 06:13 Tarotis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2011 05:47 Polox wrote:
On November 24 2011 05:27 tadL wrote:
lleberg, catch some wc3 history with naniwa. i am actually suprised that he has fanboys. and i am not a hater but if he didnt cheat...saddam had also weapons of mass destruction ^^


He didn't cheat, should be obvious. "Additionally, to clarify, the Complexity manager was allowed in the booth, accompanied by MLG staff"

If you would read what he says it would be ovious that he is talking about Naniwas WC3 history, not about the MLG thing


Well I don't remember him having any cheating background in either wc3 or sc2, only BM. So it should be obvious his sentence has to do with SC2 and the recent conflict.
Polox
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden115 Posts
November 23 2011 21:57 GMT
#183
On November 24 2011 06:15 tadL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2011 05:41 lleberg wrote:
tadL: Saying naniwa is like saddam hussein makes you a troll, nothing else.


Well i didnt say this. I compared an old lie to a new lie. Both in have been true. But interesting what fanboys are reading with eyes closed and just "he said something against the guy i dont know but i am a fanboy off *grml*

True is, naniwa has a really bad reputation. and he is still bad mannerd and he shows it. Yes he has learned to shut up sometimes but if not then you can still listen to the boy from wc3 that really had no fans and even the one he had...well so many stories just get some google skills. rakkase should have a lot from him in archives stored.

And i still think he cheatet. He says he didnt and i dont care cause i will not trust a guy who would loose all money if he would say "well y i did". Cause he is not like Bush who lied but cant be harmed, for example.


In what way is he bad mannered? I agree that he was BM earlier in his career but nowadays I just see him having trouble expressing himself in english which can lead to missunderstandings, like it did with the whole Nestea incident.

And do you have any proof to backup that he cheated? Otherwise that sentence is totally meaningless and can be seen as provocative.
forSeohyun
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
504 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-23 22:15:49
November 23 2011 22:12 GMT
#184
On November 22 2011 10:54 Xxavi wrote:
It's disgraceful how Naniwa acted in all of this. First, he is "brave, honest and open" in his interview and in that he called MLG a joke, then he has to back track and act modest, humble and actually nice seeing how everybody reacted to his BMs.

Yet, it is still embarrassing to see all these fanboys saying he has done no wrong. He SHOULD KNOW THE MAPS, period. I said it from get go when he stopped that it is his mistake if he doesn't/didn't know.


I'm not sure if it would be better to let this go unanswered but here it goes:

1. Why is "disgraceful" that Naniwa backtracks? Isn't that what people want from him? It feels like "damned if you do and damned if you don't". Why is it bad that he acts nice now when he is calm? He said it was the pressure talking and not him when he typed those things in the chat.

2. There are people who are hating on Naniwa and there are people who is totally uncritical of him.
But that is not all.
There are people (like me) who thinks that the truth is somewhere in between those extremes.
I'm pretty sure that Naniwa would admit that he did something wrong. But did he do those things willingly? Aren't more likely explanations stress, miscommunication, frustration?


In general:
People are far to willing to see either heroes or villains, both which does things with a concious and unclouded motivation. In reality it is probably split-second decisions made by a person bombarded with a thousand impulses.

And if Naniwa (if for one second were to entertain that hypothesis) was doing something dodgy: why didn't he want to play right after? Why would the manager had to be brought there by MLG? Wouldn't he want it to remain unseen by the public? Why would he consciously try to antagonize MLG?

No, it doesn't fit with anything else than frustration and stress and failure to control his emotions, I feel.


So when MLG now has come with it's verdict I say: accept it and move on. Both sides.
Seohyun fan
godulous
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States337 Posts
November 23 2011 22:15 GMT
#185
On November 24 2011 05:13 tadL wrote:
wp nani, build order scout by coach in my eyes. who needs scouting if you can pause the game and call a guy to tell you what your opponents opening is.


All the arguing in this thread is bad enough, but why would you even post something like that? It was more than clear to everyone in every post made about it that an MLG admin accompanied the coach into the booth. Disputing MLG's handling of the situation or their specifics on the rules / wording of the map pool is one thing, but you're just trying to tarnish their reputation entirely.
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dde
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada796 Posts
November 23 2011 22:27 GMT
#186
im sure this is not his first mlg. He should know MLG shakuras cant be only cross spawn lol. Even if refree said if its cross only he shoulda double checked it with refs or even his manager/teamamtes.
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tzui
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany60 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-23 22:41:07
November 23 2011 22:35 GMT
#187
On November 21 2011 01:09 MLG_Adam wrote:
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On November 21 2011 01:08 Seiniyta wrote:
On November 21 2011 01:06 MLG_Adam wrote:
On November 21 2011 01:04 Fandango wrote:
Where's the investigation into the admin who told Naniwa it was cross positions only then later denied it when it turned out it wasn't?


The admin didn't tell him that, I know because I was standing right there. Why wouldn't a player playing in a National Championship know where the spawns were? He chose the map, it is his responsibility to know the intricacies involved.

There is responsibility on the players to know the settings they are competing on. The maps were not published the day of the event.


on the site (I haven't checked today) it still stated that Shakuras Plateau was cross map only... (I could have misread too, it was around 3-4 am when I checked that )



Link?


Where is the link? and how can anyone misread a simple statement like: "cross position only"? Reading in the Night/Morning is an inplausible excuse
AcuWill
Profile Joined August 2010
United States281 Posts
November 23 2011 22:57 GMT
#188
Regarding Nani's "bm", I didn't see anything that MC hasn't done 10000 times.

Yet, somehow MC is the darling of SC2 in many ways.
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
November 24 2011 16:14 GMT
#189
On November 24 2011 07:57 AcuWill wrote:
Regarding Nani's "bm", I didn't see anything that MC hasn't done 10000 times.

Yet, somehow MC is the darling of SC2 in many ways.

Uh come on, don't play dumb here. MC shenanigans are funny and he is a socially comfortable guy -- thus he's easy for fans to love as a "darling of SC2 (lol)". On the other hand, Naniwa is not funny or charismatic. He's good at SC2 and that's that. He totally lacks any likable character that MC has. You can't honestly think the two are remotely similar...
purpose
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden1017 Posts
November 24 2011 16:18 GMT
#190
On November 25 2011 01:14 FallDownMarigold wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2011 07:57 AcuWill wrote:
Regarding Nani's "bm", I didn't see anything that MC hasn't done 10000 times.

Yet, somehow MC is the darling of SC2 in many ways.

Uh come on, don't play dumb here. MC shenanigans are funny and he is a socially comfortable guy -- thus he's easy for fans to love as a "darling of SC2 (lol)". On the other hand, Naniwa is not funny or charismatic. He's good at SC2 and that's that. He totally lacks any likable character that MC has. You can't honestly think the two are remotely similar...


How about Idra? He is somewhat good at SC2 but just so bm and arrogant that naniwa dont even come close. I mean calling a opponent bad in a final that he did to Kas.

Overall Idra also said in interviews that opponents are bad, not good or plain scrubbs. THere just is nothing likeable about Idra but still he is one of the most popular players out there and can get away with pretty much anything.
Gigaudas
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Sweden1213 Posts
November 24 2011 16:30 GMT
#191
On November 25 2011 01:18 purpose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 01:14 FallDownMarigold wrote:
On November 24 2011 07:57 AcuWill wrote:
Regarding Nani's "bm", I didn't see anything that MC hasn't done 10000 times.

Yet, somehow MC is the darling of SC2 in many ways.

Uh come on, don't play dumb here. MC shenanigans are funny and he is a socially comfortable guy -- thus he's easy for fans to love as a "darling of SC2 (lol)". On the other hand, Naniwa is not funny or charismatic. He's good at SC2 and that's that. He totally lacks any likable character that MC has. You can't honestly think the two are remotely similar...


How about Idra? He is somewhat good at SC2 but just so bm and arrogant that naniwa dont even come close. I mean calling a opponent bad in a final that he did to Kas.

Overall Idra also said in interviews that opponents are bad, not good or plain scrubbs. THere just is nothing likeable about Idra but still he is one of the most popular players out there and can get away with pretty much anything.


Well, Idra does have a lot of haters. As do Naniwa. Idra just happened to, for a while, be the only decent player representing the worlds largest fan base (the American) so of course he'll have a lot of fans. Just like Naniwa has a lot of Swedish fans.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45183 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-24 16:48:45
November 24 2011 16:45 GMT
#192
Such a long thread... Why is this being blown out of proportion here? At MLG, it wasn't really a big deal other than the fact that Naniwa got steamed over miscommunication (first starting a game that had to be stopped because it wasn't streaming, and then misunderstanding map spawns), and Nestea ended up pissed as well (because of the aforementioned screw-ups and Naniwa being a bit BM towards him). Was there a controversy on the stream or on TL? Because there wasn't really any at Providence. It cleared up in a few minutes and everyone moved on.

There's absolutely no reason why Naniwa would *choose* to scout diagonally on Shakuras first, unless he misunderstood recent instructions stating that players could only spawn in diagonal locations. It's longer to scout diagonally than to scout on your own horizontal side, and no one would mess that up. And Shakuras (like other maps) have multiple versions, so if a staff member pops in and tells him that it's cross locations (whether that's indicating diagonal only, or just the standard vertical split, or something else that could be misconstrued), he's going to take their word for it and try to interpret it. As it is, they had just screwed up the first game by asking for a restart, and Naniwa had literally left his booth in rage.

As far as Naniwa's BM towards Nestea goes... I'm a fan of Nestea but I see nothing wrong with celebrations or a little BM from time to time. Naniwa isn't nearly as BM as some infamous players (FireBatHero, IdrA, etc.), and a lot of fans love to see rivalries and drama. We love manner MULEs and dancing units, as well as the GSTL celebrations, and this isn't really much different. Naniwa might not be the warmest player ever, but that doesn't mean he's not allowed to celebrate the fact that he totally raped everyone (minus Leenock) over the weekend.

I didn't like the fact that he called MLG a joke tournament in-game, considering the two errors don't represent the hard work that the entire MLG staff and company put in on a yearly basis (and his words appropriately earned him boos from the audience for the rest of the weekend), but I can certainly see why he was pissed.

But seriously, there's really no *controversy*. I think this is making a mountain out of a mole hill.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
halfies
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom327 Posts
November 24 2011 16:47 GMT
#193
On November 21 2011 02:50 Fandango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2011 02:48 MLG_Adam wrote:
On November 21 2011 02:46 Fandango wrote:
On November 21 2011 02:36 MLG_Adam wrote:
By the way, anyone with MLG rank points will be drafted into our invasion militia.

Can we stop with the change log nonsense and discuss impending occupation of a foreign nation?


Ha, trying to divert attention from the actual drama in order to focus on some crackpot's bizarre conspiracy theory?

Well played MLG, well played. I don't know what your real plan is but for damn sure it's not got anything to do with Sweden or investors from Macau and nothing to do with this tournament. The game is afoot and the starting pistol has rang its final bell, let the dogs of war begin!



You're good; a worthy adversary.

Confusion is one of the key tenants of the Art of War.


Ah, but Confucius is one of the key tenants of the Apartment of War.

you sir, are a hero
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