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Watch how you approach the topic of match fixing. You can speculate, saying "I'm not so sure about the finals, something doesn't sit right with me," but if you are going to outright accuse players of match fixing you need something more than your word.
TL takes match fixing/abuse seriously and as such there is a burden a proof when you are accusing players.
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On October 24 2011 02:52 furerkip wrote:
Why would they split the money, they both would have tried to lose then, since 2nd place gets 25K, and the other half of 1st place, so 2nd place gets 50K while 1st place gets 25K... If it were for monetary ideals, I don't think MVP would've really cared about winning the first bo3 (as would Nestea, since it didn't make sense for him to beat MVP in the WB Finals).
Think about what your post actually says for a second
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On October 24 2011 06:57 Derez wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 06:30 infinity2k9 wrote:On October 24 2011 06:03 On_Slaught wrote:
You think the players don't care about 1st place achivements?
though. I think Koreans don't care about Blizzcon at all. It's not an achievement just an opportunity to win money. This wouldn't be the first time Koreans had these kind of arrangements in foreign tournaments, it happened in BW at some point too. Difference is that they're not fighting for small change here. This Blizzcon was the equivalent of winning a season of code S in prizemoney, and unless you're suggesting that the GSL (and every other tournament out there) is a set-up too, you have no basis to make an accusation like that. Not to mention that SC2 seems to be a whole lot more succesful in the West then in Korea itself. In a way, there's more prestige taking something like blizzcon, where so many fans are physically present then a korean GSL finals. I don't see any situation in which a player, let's say MVP, agrees up front to forfeit 15k USD to another player he has regularly beaten in the past. Neither do I see Nestea offering the same thing after busting MVP 2-0 in their first bo3.
What do you mean no basis... did you watch the final game and what everyone is saying about it? It's got all the apparent hallmarks of playing basically a showmatch knowing they would split after. How do i have to accuse the GSL or anything else just by pointing out this particular incident is suspect (and the GSL has had games were teammates appeared to fold for other teammates, according to some people at least).
And your situation doesn't even take into account the fact they are TEAMMATES. The games YOU know about is not the only games they play for christs sake, they practice all the time together most likely. But even if there was a bigger obvious gap in skill i wouldn't say it would be out of the question for 2 teammates to split winnings.
Also there's no prestige in Blizzcon, it's seriously nothing to them. Just because there's a lot of people there doesn't mean anything really, i mean Blizzcon isn't even prestigious outside of Korea as an eSports event so why would it be in Korea.
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On October 24 2011 07:11 infinity2k9 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 06:57 Derez wrote:On October 24 2011 06:30 infinity2k9 wrote:On October 24 2011 06:03 On_Slaught wrote:
You think the players don't care about 1st place achivements?
though. I think Koreans don't care about Blizzcon at all. It's not an achievement just an opportunity to win money. This wouldn't be the first time Koreans had these kind of arrangements in foreign tournaments, it happened in BW at some point too. Difference is that they're not fighting for small change here. This Blizzcon was the equivalent of winning a season of code S in prizemoney, and unless you're suggesting that the GSL (and every other tournament out there) is a set-up too, you have no basis to make an accusation like that. Not to mention that SC2 seems to be a whole lot more succesful in the West then in Korea itself. In a way, there's more prestige taking something like blizzcon, where so many fans are physically present then a korean GSL finals. I don't see any situation in which a player, let's say MVP, agrees up front to forfeit 15k USD to another player he has regularly beaten in the past. Neither do I see Nestea offering the same thing after busting MVP 2-0 in their first bo3. What do you mean no basis... did you watch the final game and what everyone is saying about it? It's got all the apparent hallmarks of playing basically a showmatch knowing they would split after. How do i have to accuse the GSL or anything else just by pointing out this particular incident is suspect (and the GSL has had games were teammates appeared to fold for other teammates, according to some people at least). And your situation doesn't even take into account the fact they are TEAMMATES. The games YOU know about is not the only games they play for christs sake, they practice all the time together most likely. But even if there was a bigger obvious gap in skill i wouldn't say it would be out of the question for 2 teammates to split winnings. Also there's no prestige in Blizzcon, it's seriously nothing to them. Just because there's a lot of people there doesn't mean anything really, i mean Blizzcon isn't even prestigious outside of Korea as an eSports event so why would it be in Korea.
From MVP's blizzcon winner's interview:
How do you feel after getting the champion ring?
Blizzcon is the tournament I wanted to participate in the most ever since I became a SC2 gamer. It feels really good to win the tournament that I've wanted to be in the most.
Sounds to me like Blizzcon is more than nothing to MVP.
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On October 24 2011 03:19 InvalidID wrote:
This thread has made it clear that every player in the world, from ToodMing to Nestea is involved in some sort of massive conspiracy, orchestrated by Blizzard. That must be exposed.
Silence brother. Now is not yet the time.
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On October 24 2011 07:11 infinity2k9 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 06:57 Derez wrote:On October 24 2011 06:30 infinity2k9 wrote:On October 24 2011 06:03 On_Slaught wrote:
You think the players don't care about 1st place achivements?
though. I think Koreans don't care about Blizzcon at all. It's not an achievement just an opportunity to win money. This wouldn't be the first time Koreans had these kind of arrangements in foreign tournaments, it happened in BW at some point too. Difference is that they're not fighting for small change here. This Blizzcon was the equivalent of winning a season of code S in prizemoney, and unless you're suggesting that the GSL (and every other tournament out there) is a set-up too, you have no basis to make an accusation like that. Not to mention that SC2 seems to be a whole lot more succesful in the West then in Korea itself. In a way, there's more prestige taking something like blizzcon, where so many fans are physically present then a korean GSL finals. I don't see any situation in which a player, let's say MVP, agrees up front to forfeit 15k USD to another player he has regularly beaten in the past. Neither do I see Nestea offering the same thing after busting MVP 2-0 in their first bo3. What do you mean no basis... did you watch the final game and what everyone is saying about it? It's got all the apparent hallmarks of playing basically a showmatch knowing they would split after. How do i have to accuse the GSL or anything else just by pointing out this particular incident is suspect (and the GSL has had games were teammates appeared to fold for other teammates, according to some people at least). And your situation doesn't even take into account the fact they are TEAMMATES. The games YOU know about is not the only games they play for christs sake, they practice all the time together most likely. But even if there was a bigger obvious gap in skill i wouldn't say it would be out of the question for 2 teammates to split winnings. Also there's no prestige in Blizzcon, it's seriously nothing to them. Just because there's a lot of people there doesn't mean anything really, i mean Blizzcon isn't even prestigious outside of Korea as an eSports event so why would it be in Korea.
LOL how dumb could you get... that last game, tell me what could have nestea done? constantly throw away banelings into siege lines and planetarys wave by wave only to be starved out?
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On October 24 2011 07:24 koolaid1990 wrote:LOL how dumb could you get... that last game, tell me what could have nestea done? constantly throw away banelings into siege lines and planetarys wave by wave only to be starved out?
If you understand SC2 so poorly that you couldn't see that Nestea played like shit then I don't know how you could even enjoy watching the game.
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Something just felt off about that last game, so many times I thought to myself what are you doing nestea even the little the things like not moving overlords, drones when nuked & I doubt he choked as he's played how many GSLs finals with twice the prize pool and respect? That last game was a joke it wasn't high level play at all, it's sad to see even if it was split i'd rather them just play out the match for pride.
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On October 24 2011 07:24 koolaid1990 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 07:11 infinity2k9 wrote:On October 24 2011 06:57 Derez wrote:On October 24 2011 06:30 infinity2k9 wrote:On October 24 2011 06:03 On_Slaught wrote:
You think the players don't care about 1st place achivements?
though. I think Koreans don't care about Blizzcon at all. It's not an achievement just an opportunity to win money. This wouldn't be the first time Koreans had these kind of arrangements in foreign tournaments, it happened in BW at some point too. Difference is that they're not fighting for small change here. This Blizzcon was the equivalent of winning a season of code S in prizemoney, and unless you're suggesting that the GSL (and every other tournament out there) is a set-up too, you have no basis to make an accusation like that. Not to mention that SC2 seems to be a whole lot more succesful in the West then in Korea itself. In a way, there's more prestige taking something like blizzcon, where so many fans are physically present then a korean GSL finals. I don't see any situation in which a player, let's say MVP, agrees up front to forfeit 15k USD to another player he has regularly beaten in the past. Neither do I see Nestea offering the same thing after busting MVP 2-0 in their first bo3. What do you mean no basis... did you watch the final game and what everyone is saying about it? It's got all the apparent hallmarks of playing basically a showmatch knowing they would split after. How do i have to accuse the GSL or anything else just by pointing out this particular incident is suspect (and the GSL has had games were teammates appeared to fold for other teammates, according to some people at least). And your situation doesn't even take into account the fact they are TEAMMATES. The games YOU know about is not the only games they play for christs sake, they practice all the time together most likely. But even if there was a bigger obvious gap in skill i wouldn't say it would be out of the question for 2 teammates to split winnings. Also there's no prestige in Blizzcon, it's seriously nothing to them. Just because there's a lot of people there doesn't mean anything really, i mean Blizzcon isn't even prestigious outside of Korea as an eSports event so why would it be in Korea. LOL how dumb could you get... that last game, tell me what could have nestea done? constantly throw away banelings into siege lines and planetarys wave by wave only to be starved out?
How dumb can you get? I didn't watch the games, i'm simply explaining why infact games would have winners split between players regardless of the play in the game. People have clearly pointed many big blatant mistakes and bad decisions made in the game by Nestea, if you can't even understand that then you need to stop posting on the subject.
red4ce: do you think MVP is going to say 'no i don't care about Blizzcon much'? Bisu didn't even know what the event was iirc let alone consider it prestigious. Even if he is from a different scene it's not like he doesn't know what the actual events are that people in Korea consider worthwhile.
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Lol all this talk of match fixing and scandals its almost as if TL wants another match fixingg scandal..-_- if nestea had lost to Sen in the finals everyone wud b lik ZOMG SEN IS THE NEW ZERG GOD and there wud b no talk at all about whether nestea threw the match. Jst b/c MVP won and NesTea played horrible in the end does NOT mean that there is another match fix. Anyone who keeps asserting that there was a match fix should put up some SOLID evidence
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People here are overreacting.
It was not some huge conspiracy or scandal.
But it is out of most respect to Nestea that I say that at some point he threw the last game.
I refuse to believe that the best zerg player in the world can't move his drones from his 3(?) mining bases to defend against nukes at multiple times, having 14k in the bank and yet get supply capped by sacking all his overlords and waste all his banelings on nothing.
It could be a bet like "mvp, if you manage take it to the last game, lets put up a show!"
or he wanted to make statement on balance like the twitter suggest.
They can have other priorities like "I value our friendship higher than money, if we both get to the finals lets treat our fans with great games and split the money so there is no ill feelings."
Or he was just tired.
Or it is simply a huge conspiracy.
Anything is more likely than Nestea building 24 broodlords and move out with no support nor detection against ghosts and vikings and is expecting to win. Then later come out smiling like a boss at the award ceremony.
I don't care either way and it should not important. All games at Blizzcon rocked cake. Epic finals... except the last game. That's what I have an issue with, what ever you think happened at least agree that it was a bad game. ^___^;
My 2 cents.
Please have tolerance for bad grammar. 
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On October 24 2011 07:28 eot wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 07:24 koolaid1990 wrote:LOL how dumb could you get... that last game, tell me what could have nestea done? constantly throw away banelings into siege lines and planetarys wave by wave only to be starved out? If you understand SC2 so poorly that you couldn't see that Nestea played like shit then I don't know how you could even enjoy watching the game.
You are using the defense of someone who doesn't know how to play the game.
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On October 24 2011 07:11 infinity2k9 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 06:57 Derez wrote:On October 24 2011 06:30 infinity2k9 wrote:On October 24 2011 06:03 On_Slaught wrote:
You think the players don't care about 1st place achivements?
though. I think Koreans don't care about Blizzcon at all. It's not an achievement just an opportunity to win money. This wouldn't be the first time Koreans had these kind of arrangements in foreign tournaments, it happened in BW at some point too. Difference is that they're not fighting for small change here. This Blizzcon was the equivalent of winning a season of code S in prizemoney, and unless you're suggesting that the GSL (and every other tournament out there) is a set-up too, you have no basis to make an accusation like that. Not to mention that SC2 seems to be a whole lot more succesful in the West then in Korea itself. In a way, there's more prestige taking something like blizzcon, where so many fans are physically present then a korean GSL finals. I don't see any situation in which a player, let's say MVP, agrees up front to forfeit 15k USD to another player he has regularly beaten in the past. Neither do I see Nestea offering the same thing after busting MVP 2-0 in their first bo3. What do you mean no basis... did you watch the final game and what everyone is saying about it? It's got all the apparent hallmarks of playing basically a showmatch knowing they would split after. How do i have to accuse the GSL or anything else just by pointing out this particular incident is suspect (and the GSL has had games were teammates appeared to fold for other teammates, according to some people at least). And your situation doesn't even take into account the fact they are TEAMMATES. The games YOU know about is not the only games they play for christs sake, they practice all the time together most likely. But even if there was a bigger obvious gap in skill i wouldn't say it would be out of the question for 2 teammates to split winnings. Also there's no prestige in Blizzcon, it's seriously nothing to them. Just because there's a lot of people there doesn't mean anything really, i mean Blizzcon isn't even prestigious outside of Korea as an eSports event so why would it be in Korea.
On October 24 2011 07:40 infinity2k9 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 07:24 koolaid1990 wrote:On October 24 2011 07:11 infinity2k9 wrote:On October 24 2011 06:57 Derez wrote:On October 24 2011 06:30 infinity2k9 wrote:On October 24 2011 06:03 On_Slaught wrote:
You think the players don't care about 1st place achivements?
though. I think Koreans don't care about Blizzcon at all. It's not an achievement just an opportunity to win money. This wouldn't be the first time Koreans had these kind of arrangements in foreign tournaments, it happened in BW at some point too. Difference is that they're not fighting for small change here. This Blizzcon was the equivalent of winning a season of code S in prizemoney, and unless you're suggesting that the GSL (and every other tournament out there) is a set-up too, you have no basis to make an accusation like that. Not to mention that SC2 seems to be a whole lot more succesful in the West then in Korea itself. In a way, there's more prestige taking something like blizzcon, where so many fans are physically present then a korean GSL finals. I don't see any situation in which a player, let's say MVP, agrees up front to forfeit 15k USD to another player he has regularly beaten in the past. Neither do I see Nestea offering the same thing after busting MVP 2-0 in their first bo3. What do you mean no basis... did you watch the final game and what everyone is saying about it? It's got all the apparent hallmarks of playing basically a showmatch knowing they would split after. How do i have to accuse the GSL or anything else just by pointing out this particular incident is suspect (and the GSL has had games were teammates appeared to fold for other teammates, according to some people at least). And your situation doesn't even take into account the fact they are TEAMMATES. The games YOU know about is not the only games they play for christs sake, they practice all the time together most likely. But even if there was a bigger obvious gap in skill i wouldn't say it would be out of the question for 2 teammates to split winnings. Also there's no prestige in Blizzcon, it's seriously nothing to them. Just because there's a lot of people there doesn't mean anything really, i mean Blizzcon isn't even prestigious outside of Korea as an eSports event so why would it be in Korea. LOL how dumb could you get... that last game, tell me what could have nestea done? constantly throw away banelings into siege lines and planetarys wave by wave only to be starved out? How dumb can you get? I didn't watch the games, i'm simply explaining why infact games would have winners split between players regardless of the play in the game. People have clearly pointed many big blatant mistakes and bad decisions made in the game by Nestea, if you can't even understand that then you need to stop posting on the subject. red4ce: do you think MVP is going to say 'no i don't care about Blizzcon much'? Bisu didn't even know what the event was iirc let alone consider it prestigious. Even if he is from a different scene it's not like he doesn't know what the actual events are that people in Korea consider worthwhile.
So you're asking me if I watched the games, yet you yourself have not watched them, but are commenting on the 'apparent hallmarks' the game had of a showmatch. The fact that you couldn't even be bothered to watch the game in question doesn't exactly give your opinion credibility.
The point was that:
- It is unreasonable to call a game 'fixed' based on a single player making questionable decisions. Players play poor games from time to time, and that goes for Nestea aswell.
- These players come from a rather small and calm scene. Korean SC2 doesn't seem that big, the reason BW players don't find it prestigious is because they have their fans, their sponsors, their entire career inside of Korea. The same can't be said for SC2, where based on prizemoney and just general excitement from the fans, you'd expect players to care more about blizzcon then they do about a regular GSL season.
- What I saw in the game was a nestea that knew he got the short end of the buildorders (fast 3rd MVP), knew he was in a bad spot and wouldn't be able to break MVP in an entrenched position like that on Shakuras, and got indecisive as a result.
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On October 24 2011 07:40 infinity2k9 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 07:24 koolaid1990 wrote:On October 24 2011 07:11 infinity2k9 wrote:On October 24 2011 06:57 Derez wrote:On October 24 2011 06:30 infinity2k9 wrote:On October 24 2011 06:03 On_Slaught wrote:
You think the players don't care about 1st place achivements?
though. I think Koreans don't care about Blizzcon at all. It's not an achievement just an opportunity to win money. This wouldn't be the first time Koreans had these kind of arrangements in foreign tournaments, it happened in BW at some point too. Difference is that they're not fighting for small change here. This Blizzcon was the equivalent of winning a season of code S in prizemoney, and unless you're suggesting that the GSL (and every other tournament out there) is a set-up too, you have no basis to make an accusation like that. Not to mention that SC2 seems to be a whole lot more succesful in the West then in Korea itself. In a way, there's more prestige taking something like blizzcon, where so many fans are physically present then a korean GSL finals. I don't see any situation in which a player, let's say MVP, agrees up front to forfeit 15k USD to another player he has regularly beaten in the past. Neither do I see Nestea offering the same thing after busting MVP 2-0 in their first bo3. What do you mean no basis... did you watch the final game and what everyone is saying about it? It's got all the apparent hallmarks of playing basically a showmatch knowing they would split after. How do i have to accuse the GSL or anything else just by pointing out this particular incident is suspect (and the GSL has had games were teammates appeared to fold for other teammates, according to some people at least). And your situation doesn't even take into account the fact they are TEAMMATES. The games YOU know about is not the only games they play for christs sake, they practice all the time together most likely. But even if there was a bigger obvious gap in skill i wouldn't say it would be out of the question for 2 teammates to split winnings. Also there's no prestige in Blizzcon, it's seriously nothing to them. Just because there's a lot of people there doesn't mean anything really, i mean Blizzcon isn't even prestigious outside of Korea as an eSports event so why would it be in Korea. LOL how dumb could you get... that last game, tell me what could have nestea done? constantly throw away banelings into siege lines and planetarys wave by wave only to be starved out? How dumb can you get? I didn't watch the games, i'm simply explaining why infact games would have winners split between players regardless of the play in the game. People have clearly pointed many big blatant mistakes and bad decisions made in the game by Nestea, if you can't even understand that then you need to stop posting on the subject. red4ce: do you think MVP is going to say 'no i don't care about Blizzcon much'? Bisu didn't even know what the event was iirc let alone consider it prestigious. Even if he is from a different scene it's not like he doesn't know what the actual events are that people in Korea consider worthwhile.
LOL why are Terran players always seem to be entitled bunch? You didn't even watch the game and you are calling other people dumb for saying that it's dumb to think there's a conspiracy involved?
Here's the deal, many Terran players watch the game, don't like the thought that it implies Terran late game is imba, so they naturally pick at every aspect of Nestea's play that they don't understand and instead interpret it as bad play.
End of Story.
Or to be more specific
+ Show Spoiler +"He didn't micro his overlord during the drop." Hmmm.. a doom drop of 120 suicide-melee banelings, let's see you do it better, "He didn't unload all of his banelings during the drop." That's because, Nestea was, in fact, TRYING TO MICRO THEM, he expected MVP to move he whole army to the choke to his main, so he tried to drop banelings on top of the choke... Turns out snipes are pretty good. "He should've nydus more." As if mass Nydus isn't more expensive and way less effective than doom drop. (Somewhere in this retort there's a line about Code S Protoss not rushing Carrier against Terran.) "He should've attacked when he has 10k banked" Nestea, unlike you spectators, doesn't have the luxury of knowing exactly how his opponent is doing economic-wise. Why is it a bad idea for him to play safe and try to mine out more of the map? And I'm sure you all see the PFs and Siege Tanks MVP set up in the middle, maybe you should actually do some testing of your own instead of questioning (blindly) the decision of the best Zerg player in the world, and a teammate of the best Terran no less. "He should not have sent in 27 Broodlords without support" ...... ..... ..... Is it so hard to see that Nestea decided that the game was lost and basically just went for broke? You have no business criticizing Nestea's play (or anyone's for that matter) if you actually bothered to point this out. Edit: and one thing I forgot: "He didn't pull his drones from those nukes" If I remember correctly, there was 2 nukes (at Nestea's 5th and 6th), a drop at Nestea's main, a drop at his fourth, and all this while Nestea was trying to pull off a doom drop with banelings. There was some nukes afterward but I think Nestea was pretty flustered at that point.
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MVP played uncharacteristically bad during the GSL finals as well... just because a pro makes mistakes doesn't mean that they threw a game or didn't care about the outcome. IdrA didn't have a secret side deal with HuK to quit when he saw hallucinated Void Rays, and IdrA didn't have a secret deal with MMA when he decided to leave a won game after MMA destroyed his own CC. Please let's not cheapen the enjoyment of the finals over these silly conspiracy theories. MVP had a spirited comeback against Nestea. Whether it was due to fatigue or a tactical error or what, Nestea handled the final game very poorly in the max situation. Every person that was in person for Game 5 had the time of their life. The atmosphere (if not the game) was so amazingly fun to watch in person. The crowd was lit afire by the game. The cheers for MVP after that game ended were thunderous, which is saying something, because MVP was a massive crowd underdog to MMA and Nestea all weekend. That last game was so tense the entire time.
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As someone that was at blizzcon and stared primarily at nesteas first person view because of where I was sitting, he definitely wasn't making mistakes on purpose. At least not to any noticeable degree. Mvp was nuking and dropping all over the map. Nestea was searching his map everywhere to try to find out where. His minimap was pinging like crazy and he was actively searching for a nuke everywhere. He'd find 1 but miss another two. His screen looked frantic. All this talk of matchfixing is fucking lame and disrespectful to both players. Luckily we haven't had a team kill finals in gsl yet. Oh wai we did. Losira vs nestea. Guess that was matchfixing too since losira made mistakes no? What? The better player obviously won? Yeah... same here.
Stop taking away from the brilliance of the players and the final games. They were awesome and to even suggest matchfixing is appalling to me. The thought never even crossed my mind as they were duking it out. Nestea looked devastated when he lost. Mvp looked genuinely filled with joy as he won. U don't fake shit like that. U weren't there. Hell some of u haven't even watched the games. Shut up.
Blizzcon was awesome.
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On October 24 2011 09:43 Kazeyonoma wrote:
Shut up.
Blizzcon was awesome.
This should end the thread.
THE END.
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the only match fixing here is blizzard not doing anything about lategame ghosts
ghosts aren't OP, but the strat of lategame turtle into ghosts to stockpile tons of snipes and sacrifice the scvs to have an even larger army than the zerg is
blizzard doesn't account the loss of scvs into factoring lategame terran strength
a zerg who teched to tier 3 and has every upgrade should be able to throw a 200 army at a terran and reduce terran supply by more than 50
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On October 24 2011 10:33 PrideNeverDie wrote:
the only match fixing here is blizzard not doing anything about lategame ghosts
ghosts aren't OP, but the strat of lategame turtle into ghosts to stockpile tons of snipes and sacrifice the scvs to have an even larger army than the zerg is
blizzard doesn't account the loss of scvs into factoring lategame terran strength
a zerg who teched to tier 3 and has every upgrade should be able to throw a 200 army at a terran and reduce terran supply by more than 50
Not sure about this. If anything, Blizz wants Terran to be more of a turtling race, judging from the HotS stuff they showed off. In Brood War, as Terran you turtled and then painfully slowly pushed across map against zerg, while zerg tried to harass and throw stuff at your turtle. The idea is that Terran is supposed to be able to turtle up soundly, and that the hard part for them is to find a way to be offensive enough to keep zerg from taking the entire map. Mvp did this to a degree, but at the same time, NesTea was not aggressive enough. When he had his 100 banelings and 12k minerals he really ought to have started attacking more aggressively. Because he didn't, he let Mvp catch up economically.
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On October 24 2011 02:52 furerkip wrote:
Why would they split the money, they both would have tried to lose then, since 2nd place gets 25K, and the other half of 1st place, so 2nd place gets 50K while 1st place gets 25K... If it were for monetary ideals, I don't think MVP would've really cared about winning the first bo3 (as would Nestea, since it didn't make sense for him to beat MVP in the WB Finals).
Why would second place receive more money if they were equally splitting it? Maybe you need to run your future posts by a few other people or, do a few post previews. Put it on ask make a yahoo account and open a question before actually clicking the post button.
Or crawl out from underneath the bridge.
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We need SirJolt to make another hilarious parody of the conversations on this thread, just to show exactly how absurd some people are being.
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