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Was hoping I wouldn't have to make this warning, but jesus christ you guys just can't help yourselves, can you?!? I'm disappointed, but not surprised.
Anyways...
This thread is about this particular act/individual, and doesn't need to turn into a flame fest about the merits of the war, wars in general, or to bash nations.
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On September 18 2011 15:47 wordd wrote: cool story but I really deeply hate war. i agree. i cant say stuff like "respect" or "what a boss" its just, well i cant really express myself. i just disagree with ANY kind of war and im deeply against anything related to war that i just cant agree with anything related to war.
( im sorry if thats hard to read/understand but i seriously cant express myself in this regard..)
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like a BOSS
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i considered many marine jokes like
Official patch 1.4 notes
New ability researchable from the Tech Lab. [Medal of Honor (passive), increases overall Army moral (+1 dps to army). Re searchable after an injured Marine with over 10 kills is unloaded from a Medivac. Costs 200 minerals 200 gas.
"wow that marine must have had 3/3 upgrades!!"
Blizzard employee: "Hey Dustin Browder, take a look at this story. i think it's time for marines to be nerfed." ..... Dustin: "HAHA NERF TERRAN?! U FUNNY"
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*thumbs up* Dammit I forgot that marine quote. Anybody know it? It was something like an Air Force guy saying "I work for the Air Force". The Army guy saying "I'm a soldier in the US Army" and the Marine saying " I'm a Marine."
Anyways marines are bad ass. Being in the marines is pretty respectful because it's a pretty strict military style.
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On September 18 2011 17:53 teddyoojo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 15:47 wordd wrote: cool story but I really deeply hate war. i agree. i cant say stuff like "respect" or "what a boss" its just, well i cant really express myself. i just disagree with ANY kind of war and im deeply against anything related to war that i just cant agree with anything related to war. ( im sorry if thats hard to read/understand but i seriously cant express myself in this regard..)
Yeah, God forbid anyone save lives if they're doing it in a war. That's rational.
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On September 18 2011 18:39 NovaTheFeared wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 17:53 teddyoojo wrote:On September 18 2011 15:47 wordd wrote: cool story but I really deeply hate war. i agree. i cant say stuff like "respect" or "what a boss" its just, well i cant really express myself. i just disagree with ANY kind of war and im deeply against anything related to war that i just cant agree with anything related to war. ( im sorry if thats hard to read/understand but i seriously cant express myself in this regard..) Yeah, God forbid anyone save lives if they're doing it in a war. That's rational.
Or maybe you could just not start wars in the first place. The US army also has a pretty bad name internationally for its uncountably many war crimes. I think that is a bit of a boner killer for a lot of people.
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On September 18 2011 18:45 Euronyme wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 18:39 NovaTheFeared wrote:On September 18 2011 17:53 teddyoojo wrote:On September 18 2011 15:47 wordd wrote: cool story but I really deeply hate war. i agree. i cant say stuff like "respect" or "what a boss" its just, well i cant really express myself. i just disagree with ANY kind of war and im deeply against anything related to war that i just cant agree with anything related to war. ( im sorry if thats hard to read/understand but i seriously cant express myself in this regard..) Yeah, God forbid anyone save lives if they're doing it in a war. That's rational. Or maybe you could just not start wars in the first place. The US army also has a pretty bad name internationally for its uncountably many war crimes. I think that is a bit of a boner killer for a lot of people.
Why do Europeans complain about everything? "maybe you should not start wars in the first place" you really think that is a reasonable thing to say?
The US army doesn't have a "bad name" internationally, can you provide negative stories from Iraqi civilians, or elsewhere, that can compare to the overwhelming about of 'peacekeeping' we do / did in the middle east.. korea.. everywhere..
I do want us to pull many of our troops back. But saying "maybe ya shundt'a started teh war hurr durr" is stupid.
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Wow, what a noob post! I thought this was an ACTUAL sc2 marine getting a medal and I get this thread.
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On September 18 2011 18:53 necrOtix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 18:45 Euronyme wrote:On September 18 2011 18:39 NovaTheFeared wrote:On September 18 2011 17:53 teddyoojo wrote:On September 18 2011 15:47 wordd wrote: cool story but I really deeply hate war. i agree. i cant say stuff like "respect" or "what a boss" its just, well i cant really express myself. i just disagree with ANY kind of war and im deeply against anything related to war that i just cant agree with anything related to war. ( im sorry if thats hard to read/understand but i seriously cant express myself in this regard..) Yeah, God forbid anyone save lives if they're doing it in a war. That's rational. Or maybe you could just not start wars in the first place. The US army also has a pretty bad name internationally for its uncountably many war crimes. I think that is a bit of a boner killer for a lot of people. Why do Europeans complain about everything? " maybe you should not start wars in the first place" you really think that is a reasonable thing to say? The US army doesn't have a "bad name" internationally, can you provide negative stories from Iraqi civilians, or elsewhere, that can compare to the overwhelming about of 'peacekeeping' we do / did in the middle east.. korea.. everywhere.. I do want us to pull many of our troops back. But saying "maybe ya shundt'a started teh war hurr durr" is stupid.
I guess it was bound to come to this...
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I find it deeply troubling that there exists an unthinking revulsion to war that goes so far as to oppose meritorious and heroic actions like these simply because they occurred in a war. General opposition to war I find to be very rational. The death and destruction coming from wars, usually needlessly, is a tragedy. But to disparage heroism because of its link to a war is mindless and stupid.
Salute to Dakota Meyer.
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On September 18 2011 17:48 darkscream wrote: There's not many pieces of good news that come out of this ridiculous, frivolous, conspiracy-laden war, but damn.
That guy is really a hero. It's nice to hear a story like this about a returning soldier, because the other stories about returning soldiers are much more negative. And bonus man points for having a beer with Obama.
My word pretty much. Respect to mr. Meyer, well fucking done.
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Don't enlist for fuck sake.
All of that is very nice. Heroism, all the stuff. Great. Do you know the suicide rate in US army in Irak and Afghanistan?
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/jan2010/suic-j06.shtml
Why would you go in the middle of an absurd war, in the middle of a population that doesn't want you and doesn't like you, fighting for a cause you don't know anything about because it is nonexistent? It doesn't make sense. Don't fuck up your life, seriously.
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Noticed in one of the pictures that the marine already had a purple heart, anyone knows if he got it because of this or has he done something amazing before as well?
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I'm fairly sure after reading this the universe was actually created to house Mr. Meyer's balls. Guy is a true hero, and every medal he was given was deserved ten fold.
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Why are users being warned for being anti-war/anti-army?
that being said, cool guy saved 36 for 8 taliban lives so mathematically thats probably a bit of a (pyrrhic) victory I guess?
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In a situation where killing people is central activity, I think discipline should be valued much higher than heroism. Admittedly, this looks a lot better than all of the horror stories involving torture, corpse mutilation, drones, drug use, and civilian casualties, but it also says that disregarding orders is not only acceptable but laudable under the right circumstances. Of course things aren't totally cut and dried, and orders received are subject to human error, but the more strict discipline is, more negative incidents of insubordination should be less likely.
As to joining yourself, you have to ask yourself whether you can be a killer. In wartime, anyone in the service could be put in combat situations. Do you have what it takes to kill another human being?
On September 18 2011 18:29 Silentness wrote: Anyways marines are bad ass. Being in the marines is pretty respectful because it's a pretty strict military style. I used to live by a marine base and on Friday night respectful could be pretty far from the mark. Don't get me wrong, they're human and I met plenty of marines who were great folks, but the 'we're the best killing machines in the world' attitude associated with that branch tends to attract a more muscle-head attitude than say sailors.
EDIT: Just to clarify, I'm not trying to say it wasn't a heroic action. I'm just saying that disregarding orders is the root of problems in the occupation.
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On September 18 2011 20:15 JFKWT wrote: Why are users being warned for being anti-war/anti-army?
that being said, cool guy saved 36 for 8 taliban lives so mathematically thats probably a bit of a (pyrrhic) victory I guess?
=/ ??
Yea thats 36 lives saved and 0 lost.
This guy really deserves the medal.
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since we're only allowed to praise his actions and not comment on the surrounding circumstances or the war itself, I'll just say pretty baller of him to ask for having a beer with the president. ^^
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On September 18 2011 20:15 JFKWT wrote: Why are users being warned for being anti-war/anti-army?
that being said, cool guy saved 36 for 8 taliban lives so mathematically thats probably a bit of a (pyrrhic) victory I guess?
=/ ?? A bit of victory? 8 "bad guys" died. Does it make any difference to you whether they die or are just critically wounded? Do Meyer's actions suddenly become more tolerable?
To people bitching in the thread: What if there were 8 armed robbers carrying lethal force in a bank? I kill all 8, and save 36 people in the bank.
Am I more deserving of praise because it "wasn't war"? Am I not worthy of praise at all because I killed people?
+ Show Spoiler +God damn some of your comments are just infuriating.
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On September 18 2011 20:23 Deadlyfish wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 20:15 JFKWT wrote: Why are users being warned for being anti-war/anti-army?
that being said, cool guy saved 36 for 8 taliban lives so mathematically thats probably a bit of a (pyrrhic) victory I guess?
=/ ?? Yea thats 36 lives saved and 0 lost. This guy really deserves the medal. Talibans don't have lives, that's interesting.
Can you explain the reasoning?
On September 18 2011 20:30 garlicface wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 20:15 JFKWT wrote: Why are users being warned for being anti-war/anti-army?
that being said, cool guy saved 36 for 8 taliban lives so mathematically thats probably a bit of a (pyrrhic) victory I guess?
=/ ?? A bit of victory? 8 "bad guys" died. Does it make any difference to you whether they die or are just critically wounded? Do Meyer's actions suddenly become more tolerable? To people bitching in the thread: What if there were 8 armed robbers carrying lethal force in a bank? I kill all 8, and save 36 people in the bank. Am I more deserving of praise because it "wasn't war"? Am I not worthy of praise at all because I killed people? + Show Spoiler +God damn some of your comments are just infuriating. He did great for his army, and that's true surely heroic. But if you talk about saving lives, the 8 enemies he killed will also leave widows and orphans behind.
That's all what we mean.
Now, the perspective is completely different whether you consider that the Americans are the aggressor and that these people were defending their country, which is something many people, including me believe (it doesn't make Taliban any nicer, though), or if you think that they deserve death for their fight.
The point with the bank robbery is that the 36 people would be innocent. Here we talk about two factions fighting, and it's not that clear who is right and wrong.
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