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Was hoping I wouldn't have to make this warning, but jesus christ you guys just can't help yourselves, can you?!? I'm disappointed, but not surprised.

Anyways...

This thread is about this particular act/individual, and doesn't need to turn into a flame fest about the merits of the war, wars in general, or to bash nations.

See if you can control yourselves.
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September 18 2011 04:41 GMT
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September 18 2011 04:45 GMT
#2
Damn nice lol
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zJayy962
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1363 Posts
September 18 2011 04:46 GMT
#3
Damn hes a boss. Thanks for the story
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United States625 Posts
September 18 2011 04:46 GMT
#4
If that were me, I'd shit my pants (x1000). I can't even imagine having to go through that. Immense respect for him.
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Belize15 Posts
September 18 2011 04:48 GMT
#5
Respect
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Last Edited: 2011-09-18 04:49:20
September 18 2011 04:48 GMT
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Mr. Meyer showed little inclination to celebrate receiving the Medal of Honor. His one request to the president while he was in Washington was that the two men have a beer together, which Mr. Obama and Mr. Meyer did on Wednesday evening in a patio near the Rose Garden.


Just that makes it worth it, but really the guy is pretty awesome congrats to him.

But the real question what beer was it?
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shawster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada2485 Posts
September 18 2011 04:50 GMT
#7
Mr. Obama also described Mr. Meyer as conscientious to an almost painstaking degree. When the White House tried to arrange a call to inform Mr. Meyer — who was promoted to sergeant but left active duty for construction work in his home state, Kentucky — that he would be receiving the medal, Mr. Obama said, Mr. Meyer hesitated to get on the phone with the president because he was at work.

The call was rescheduled for Mr. Meyer’s lunch break, Mr. Obama said.


what a trooper. total respect
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
September 18 2011 04:53 GMT
#8
Awarded the medal of honor and a beer with the president.. not bad at all.
TelecoM
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United States10679 Posts
September 18 2011 04:56 GMT
#9
what a fucking badass.....

His one request to the president while he was in Washington was that the two men have a beer together, which Mr. Obama and Mr. Meyer did on Wednesday evening in a patio near the Rose Garden.


... I am speachless, mad respect for this guy.
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Archas
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United States6531 Posts
September 18 2011 05:04 GMT
#10
The term "hero" tends to be overused these days, but I believe it fits Meyer perfectly.
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Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
September 18 2011 05:06 GMT
#11
I think the medal of honor that went to the man who used his helmet and body to cover a grenade and save his troops was a lot more amazing than this story.

Both are heroic and exceptional! But that story touched me a lot more D:
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Profile Joined June 2011
United States74 Posts
September 18 2011 05:09 GMT
#12
Dakota is such an awesome name...
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BlackJack
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United States10574 Posts
September 18 2011 05:14 GMT
#13
Fun fact: He had a beer with Obama and the beer they drank was home brewed at the White House with brewery equipment paid for with the Obama's own money
mardi
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United States1164 Posts
September 18 2011 05:21 GMT
#14
Man... awesome by him. Hats off to Mr. Meyer.
Crazyeyes
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Canada1342 Posts
September 18 2011 05:22 GMT
#15
On September 18 2011 14:04 Aeres wrote:
The term "hero" tends to be overused these days, but I believe it fits Meyer perfectly.

Saved dozens of lives. Superhero.
Seriously this is awesome, and that last line of the article is sweet XD
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United States2140 Posts
September 18 2011 05:23 GMT
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Flik
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Canada256 Posts
September 18 2011 05:24 GMT
#17
That's a pretty amazing story.

A better man than I.

Respect.
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Where dat snitch at?37032 Posts
September 18 2011 05:27 GMT
#18
Holy Crap. The first ever living recipient of a Medal of Honor, what a boss..... Oo
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Profile Blog Joined November 2010
2943 Posts
September 18 2011 05:28 GMT
#19
There are those in the military that fuck around and do ridiculous shit that gives a bad image to the cause, then there's people like this guy. Glad his humility stuck w/ him, a beer w/ the President is a pretty cool way to celebrate.
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Canada907 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-18 05:44:09
September 18 2011 05:33 GMT
#20
On September 18 2011 14:27 Seeker wrote:
Holy Crap. The first ever living recipient of a Medal of Honor, what a boss..... Oo


Huh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_living_Medal_of_Honor_recipients

Of the 85 living recipients, 14 earned their Medals of Honor in World War II, 13 in the Korean War, 55 in the Vietnam War, and three in the War in Afghanistan.


Edit. Blows my mind that he made 4 trips, with 2 different jeeps because one got too damaged, and wasn't stopped by his commanding officer.

What a boss.
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New Zealand3180 Posts
September 18 2011 05:34 GMT
#21
Top notch soldier.
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United States123 Posts
September 18 2011 05:35 GMT
#22
Mad props to this guy. He earned that beer!
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United States80 Posts
September 18 2011 05:36 GMT
#23
Well beyond much deserved. That's amazing.
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Last Edited: 2011-09-18 05:40:29
September 18 2011 05:40 GMT
#24
On September 18 2011 14:27 Seeker wrote:
Holy Crap. The first ever living recipient of a Medal of Honor, what a boss..... Oo

lol what you on about? the medal of honor isn't just awarded posthumously
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Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2509 Posts
September 18 2011 05:41 GMT
#25
You gotta be a quick thinker to do something like that.... risking getting shot right away, you gotta be good, quick, smart, able to communicate well with teammates, and to top it all off, one brave mother fucker.
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United States18466 Posts
September 18 2011 05:41 GMT
#26
I think it just refers to the specific war, hes the first one to get it for the recent wars.
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BalancedBreakfast
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United States468 Posts
September 18 2011 05:44 GMT
#27
extreme respect.

seeing a story like this of true dedication, and this willingness to sacrifice his life for the sake of others. and then seeing a headline on nytimes.com that says "Obama Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires" makes me sick to my stomach that there are people so privileged and yet not willing to make even a tiny sacrifice.
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Japan863 Posts
September 18 2011 05:45 GMT
#28
Mad respect, this guy is a total baller, and exudes an aura of awesome. That last line was pretty funny too.
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Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2368 Posts
September 18 2011 05:46 GMT
#29
Wow that guy got balls and only 23 too whoaa
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Canada2153 Posts
September 18 2011 05:48 GMT
#30
Was the citation: " For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his or her life above and beyond... "
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Canada156 Posts
September 18 2011 05:51 GMT
#31
Thumbs up to this guy. It takes a lot of guts to do something like that. Kudos.
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Brazil891 Posts
September 18 2011 05:53 GMT
#32
I can see this story becoming a movie.
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United States409 Posts
September 18 2011 05:58 GMT
#33
A lot of respect that guy. Especially to ignore orders. Thumbs up to him.
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United States926 Posts
September 18 2011 05:58 GMT
#34
Confirmed: Marines OP
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Hong Kong1555 Posts
September 18 2011 06:00 GMT
#35
On September 18 2011 14:58 Playguuu wrote:
Confirmed: Marines OP


Indeed. =)
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United States340 Posts
September 18 2011 06:01 GMT
#36
Truly amazing and inspiring. People like this that make the world a better place.
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Germany1449 Posts
September 18 2011 06:11 GMT
#37
I hope everyone starts caring for this awesome guy. He shouldnt get any problems in life with such a great attitude.

Congratz!
OhThatDang
Profile Joined August 2004
United States4685 Posts
September 18 2011 06:12 GMT
#38
ah cool story congrats to him =D how come the other guy was congratulated with anything?

"In the course of six hours, survivors said, Corporal Meyer and his driver, Staff Sgt. Juan J. Rodriguez-Chavez, led five fights into the ravine toward Ganjigal"

Juan J. Rodriguez-Chavez
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United States392 Posts
September 18 2011 06:13 GMT
#39
On September 18 2011 14:58 Playguuu wrote:
Confirmed: Marines OP

WP sir, wp. This guy is a boss btw.
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Profile Joined February 2010
Germany710 Posts
September 18 2011 06:15 GMT
#40
what an amazing guy and a beer with obama himself, i am so jealous
big respects to him!
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Thailand7699 Posts
September 18 2011 06:30 GMT
#41
Beyond the call of duty.
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Japan2800 Posts
September 18 2011 06:44 GMT
#42
It's always nice to see a fellow servicemember awarded for his selflessness and hard work.
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Profile Joined March 2011
Australia190 Posts
September 18 2011 06:47 GMT
#43
cool story but I really deeply hate war.
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Profile Joined April 2010
United States260 Posts
September 18 2011 07:03 GMT
#44
It's interesting how the soldier describes it as the worst day of his life

Really makes you wonder how much Hollywood blows out of proportion the glory of war
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Profile Joined August 2011
Canada3238 Posts
September 18 2011 07:10 GMT
#45
On September 18 2011 13:41 SKTerran.117 wrote:
This is a couple days old but I didn't see a thread for it and was a little surprised.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/16/us/dakota-meyer-marine-is-awarded-medal-of-honor.html

there are other articles all over net about it.

Sorry I don't have much to say about it personally, motivated the shit out of me to call my recruiter and stop dragging my feet about enlisting.

the story


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WASHINGTON — President Obama awarded the Medal of Honor on Thursday to a young former Marine who ignored orders to stay put and fought his way five times into an ambush in an Afghan ravine, helping to rescue three dozen comrades and to recover the remains of four dead American servicemen.
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"An American who placed himself in the thick of the fight." That is how President Obama described Dakota Meyer on Thursday in awarding him the Medal of Honor for helping rescue fellow Marines pinned down in battle in Afghanistan.
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Dakota Meyer and relatives spoke Thursday with President and Michelle Obama in the Oval Office. He received the Medal of Honor for valor in Afghanistan as a Marine corporal in 2009.
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In a ceremony at the White House, the president draped the medal over Dakota Meyer, describing him as a humble young man who repeatedly placed himself in extraordinary danger to save men he regarded as his brothers.

“Today we pay tribute to an American who placed himself in the thick of the fight — again and again and again,” the president said.

Mr. Meyer was the first living recipient from the Marine Corps to receive the award, the nation’s highest award for valor, for actions during the wars in Afghanistan or Iraq.

“It may be a platform for representation of the guys who are out there fighting every day,” he said in a telephone interview before the award ceremony. “My story is one of millions, and the others aren’t often told.”

He added: “You get the medal, and you start going about your life.”

Mr. Meyer, 23, now a sergeant in the inactive reserve, was an infantry corporal on Sept. 8, 2009, when an Afghan and American column headed before dawn toward the village of Ganjigal in Kunar Province.

The men in column — a mix of Afghan soldiers, border police officers and American trainers — were to meet with local elders. But they had been betrayed and walked into an ambush.

Corporal Meyer and another Marine had been assigned to secure a flank, and as Taliban gunfire began and the rest of his team was trapped, he was several hundred yards away.

Corporal Meyer listened on the radio as the rest of his Marine training team tried calling for help, and as Capt. Will Swenson of the Army, who worked with the border police and was also trapped, shouted into his radio for artillery support to suppress the Taliban fighters.

Officers at the nearby Army headquarters denied the request for artillery support, leaving the men, many of them wounded, to fight on their own until helicopter gunships arrived. (Investigations later suggested the Army officers decided that because the trapped troops were unaware of the precise locations of all of the other troops on the operation, artillery fire might have endangered them and was best withheld.)

Corporal Meyer asked permission several times to go into the ravine and to fight. He was told to remain in place, but decided to rush to the village nonetheless.

In the course of six hours, survivors said, Corporal Meyer and his driver, Staff Sgt. Juan J. Rodriguez-Chavez, led five fights into the ravine toward Ganjigal. Four times they helped recover wounded men, first Afghans who were pinned down and later Americans similarly trapped.

After the corporal freed Captain Swenson, the captain joined him in the fighting while an Army platoon nearby declined to help. On the last trip they recovered the remains of three Marines and a Navy corpsman. By then, according to the Marine Corps’ account of the fight, Corporal Meyer had killed eight Taliban fighters and stood up to several dozen more. (A fifth American later died of wounds suffered in the ravine.)

Two years on, the ambush in Ganjigal has been examined, reexamined and presented in many different ways, often as an institutional failure and an example of the limits and dangers of the counterinsurgency theory that was pressed upon the troops by Gen. David H. Petraeus and the Pentagon. The betrayal by the villagers, the confused lines of command, the withheld artillery fire, the inaction of an Army platoon that might have helped the trapped men — have all been documented.

In his remarks on Thursday, Mr. Obama did not mention the local treachery or the lapses of officers who might have helped that day. Instead, he dwelled on Mr. Meyer, who is described as a remarkable selfless example of a citizen at his best.

“Dakota later confessed,” the president said, of the fighting in Ganjigal, “I didn’t think I was going to die. I knew I was.”

Mr. Obama also described Mr. Meyer as conscientious to an almost painstaking degree. When the White House tried to arrange a call to inform Mr. Meyer — who was promoted to sergeant but left active duty for construction work in his home state, Kentucky — that he would be receiving the medal, Mr. Obama said, Mr. Meyer hesitated to get on the phone with the president because he was at work.

The call was rescheduled for Mr. Meyer’s lunch break, Mr. Obama said.

Mr. Meyer showed little inclination to celebrate receiving the Medal of Honor. His one request to the president while he was in Washington was that the two men have a beer together, which Mr. Obama and Mr. Meyer did on Wednesday evening in a patio near the Rose Garden.

More proof that Marines are OP!!

Grats to this guy. Wish I could have a beer with Obama.
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Australia1608 Posts
September 18 2011 07:18 GMT
#46
Mr. Meyer showed little inclination to celebrate receiving the Medal of Honor. His one request to the president while he was in Washington was that the two men have a beer together, which Mr. Obama and Mr. Meyer did on Wednesday evening in a patio near the Rose Garden.

What a hero!
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teamamerica
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States958 Posts
September 18 2011 07:19 GMT
#47
That guy really is amazing. Running back into it fire so many times is something beyond what I could imagine doing.

However the other half of the story is the there was no artillery support because it might have hit civilians (as per the LA Times article on it). Suppose there was artillery support, as Cpt. Meyers wanted, and 50 civilians died. How would you all have viewed him then? If the article was instead marine orders artillery support resulting in 50 civilian deaths. I'm not saying most of you would change your opinions and hate him, just something to consider.
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Williammm
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia908 Posts
September 18 2011 07:22 GMT
#48
This guy is the MarineKing

aye? aye? :D
HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-18 07:25:15
September 18 2011 07:22 GMT
#49
Uhh, but did he get court-martial.
He disobeyed a direct order.

Or is it okay to disobey orders if you still kill enough bad guys?
Just curious.

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Craze
Profile Joined July 2010
United States561 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-18 07:28:49
September 18 2011 07:28 GMT
#50
It's okay to disobey an order if it means saving your best friends from certain death, and the only person you're putting in danger is yourself.

edit: oh, and props to this guy and his driver - truly amazing
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
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Last Edited: 2011-09-18 12:23:16
September 18 2011 07:35 GMT
#51
Just hate war no matter "what heroic action someone did"
afterall, america shouldn't even be there anyway

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oh and I am warned.

Your "See if you can control yourselves." is more like "please only speak good about this".
This is an international website, you should actually learn about how other people can feel about this. I guess you are lucky that there is no Talibans here.

Next time if you want whatever type of comment, just state it ahead


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Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada89 Posts
September 18 2011 07:36 GMT
#52
This guy is amazing. If we have any American military men in here do you mind telling me what each of his medals represents? I only recognize the medal of honor and the purple heart. Thanks.
BloodNinja
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2791 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-18 07:40:20
September 18 2011 07:39 GMT
#53
On September 18 2011 16:36 henery wrote:
This guy is amazing. If we have any American military men in here do you mind telling me what each of his medals represents? I only recognize the medal of honor and the purple heart. Thanks.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakota_Meyer

Awards
Medal of Honor
Purple Heart Medal
Navy and Marine Corps Commendation Medal w/ V device
Navy and Marine Corps Achievement Medal
Combat Action Ribbon
Marine Corps Good Conduct Medal
National Defense Service Medal
Afghanistan Campaign Medal w/ 2 campaign stars
Iraq Campaign Medal w/ campaign star
Global War On Terrorism Service Medal
Sea Service Deployment Ribbon
NATO Service Medal (ISAF)
Expert marksmanship badge for rifle (3rd award)
Expert marksmanship badge for pistol (2nd award)

Theres some (maybe all?) of them for you. Someone might be able to fill in the rest.
LuckyMacro
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1482 Posts
September 18 2011 07:48 GMT
#54
holy wow, im pretty amazed.

thanks for sharing
TYJ.Aoy
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Brazil1265 Posts
September 18 2011 08:00 GMT
#55
Respect.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-18 08:06:07
September 18 2011 08:05 GMT
#56
Well I don't know, maybe I've read too much about Finnish history but I just don't really see it here.

He disobeyed a direct command, that's actually a pretty bad thing to do. Given the information at hand, I guess that's the right thing to do though, but even so I imagine the higher officials would have had a reason to issue that command.

Then what he did, to me, seems extremely risky. I think it'd be very possible for him to just be shot immediately. I guess he got lucky and had the element of surprise on his side.

He did save some of his comrades but in turn killed even more of the opposing soldiers. I guess that's what war is but...

Oh and one last thing, it might be a bit troublesome that he received a medal of honor while disregarding direct orders, as that could cause some others to go into the "I know better" way of thinking. You really shouldn't disobey orders as a soldier even if you think you're correct, the whole system hinges on them and disobeying them leads into chaos.

The final thing I'd like to add is that for one of these stories there's a thousand sad sories left untold, try rethinking enlisting.
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Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
September 18 2011 08:10 GMT
#57
I thought of Terran at first haha. Guess marines really are op ;b
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Profile Blog Joined March 2007
369 Posts
September 18 2011 08:36 GMT
#58
this link contains a news story and the actual declassified report.

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/16/in-medal-of-honor-battle-senior-officers-failed/

"But while that day was the pinnacle of Meyer's service in the Marine Corps, it may have been the nadir in the careers of three unidentified U.S. military officers involved in the incident.

Instead of medals, those three unidentified officers have received letters of reprimand, almost certainly meaning their careers are over."
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United States5003 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-18 08:49:18
September 18 2011 08:46 GMT
#59
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Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2310 Posts
September 18 2011 08:48 GMT
#60
There's not many pieces of good news that come out of this ridiculous, frivolous, conspiracy-laden war, but damn.

That guy is really a hero. It's nice to hear a story like this about a returning soldier, because the other stories about returning soldiers are much more negative. And bonus man points for having a beer with Obama.
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Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
September 18 2011 08:53 GMT
#61
On September 18 2011 15:47 wordd wrote:
cool story but I really deeply hate war.

i agree. i cant say stuff like "respect" or "what a boss" its just, well i cant really express myself. i just disagree with ANY kind of war and im deeply against anything related to war that i just cant agree with anything related to war.

( im sorry if thats hard to read/understand but i seriously cant express myself in this regard..)
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Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2238 Posts
September 18 2011 08:54 GMT
#62
like a BOSS
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Profile Joined August 2011
81 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-18 09:30:21
September 18 2011 09:26 GMT
#63
i considered many marine jokes like

Official patch 1.4 notes

New ability researchable from the Tech Lab. [Medal of Honor (passive), increases overall Army moral (+1 dps to army). Re searchable after an injured Marine with over 10 kills is unloaded from a Medivac. Costs 200 minerals 200 gas.

"wow that marine must have had 3/3 upgrades!!"

Blizzard employee: "Hey Dustin Browder, take a look at this story. i think it's time for marines to be nerfed."
.....
Dustin: "HAHA NERF TERRAN?! U FUNNY"
Silentness
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2821 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-18 09:29:40
September 18 2011 09:29 GMT
#64
*thumbs up* Dammit I forgot that marine quote. Anybody know it? It was something like an Air Force guy saying "I work for the Air Force". The Army guy saying "I'm a soldier in the US Army" and the Marine saying " I'm a Marine."

Anyways marines are bad ass. Being in the marines is pretty respectful because it's a pretty strict military style.
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NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7224 Posts
September 18 2011 09:39 GMT
#65
On September 18 2011 17:53 teddyoojo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 15:47 wordd wrote:
cool story but I really deeply hate war.

i agree. i cant say stuff like "respect" or "what a boss" its just, well i cant really express myself. i just disagree with ANY kind of war and im deeply against anything related to war that i just cant agree with anything related to war.

( im sorry if thats hard to read/understand but i seriously cant express myself in this regard..)


Yeah, God forbid anyone save lives if they're doing it in a war. That's rational.
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Euronyme
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden3804 Posts
September 18 2011 09:45 GMT
#66
On September 18 2011 18:39 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 17:53 teddyoojo wrote:
On September 18 2011 15:47 wordd wrote:
cool story but I really deeply hate war.

i agree. i cant say stuff like "respect" or "what a boss" its just, well i cant really express myself. i just disagree with ANY kind of war and im deeply against anything related to war that i just cant agree with anything related to war.

( im sorry if thats hard to read/understand but i seriously cant express myself in this regard..)


Yeah, God forbid anyone save lives if they're doing it in a war. That's rational.


Or maybe you could just not start wars in the first place.
The US army also has a pretty bad name internationally for its uncountably many war crimes. I think that is a bit of a boner killer for a lot of people.

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necrOtix
Profile Joined August 2011
81 Posts
September 18 2011 09:53 GMT
#67
On September 18 2011 18:45 Euronyme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 18:39 NovaTheFeared wrote:
On September 18 2011 17:53 teddyoojo wrote:
On September 18 2011 15:47 wordd wrote:
cool story but I really deeply hate war.

i agree. i cant say stuff like "respect" or "what a boss" its just, well i cant really express myself. i just disagree with ANY kind of war and im deeply against anything related to war that i just cant agree with anything related to war.

( im sorry if thats hard to read/understand but i seriously cant express myself in this regard..)


Yeah, God forbid anyone save lives if they're doing it in a war. That's rational.


Or maybe you could just not start wars in the first place.
The US army also has a pretty bad name internationally for its uncountably many war crimes. I think that is a bit of a boner killer for a lot of people.


Why do Europeans complain about everything? "maybe you should not start wars in the first place" you really think that is a reasonable thing to say?

The US army doesn't have a "bad name" internationally, can you provide negative stories from Iraqi civilians, or elsewhere, that can compare to the overwhelming about of 'peacekeeping' we do / did in the middle east.. korea.. everywhere..

I do want us to pull many of our troops back. But saying "maybe ya shundt'a started teh war hurr durr" is stupid.
Ruin
Profile Joined July 2011
United States271 Posts
September 18 2011 09:57 GMT
#68
Wow, what a noob post! I thought this was an ACTUAL sc2 marine getting a medal and I get this thread.
solidbebe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4921 Posts
September 18 2011 09:58 GMT
#69
On September 18 2011 18:53 necrOtix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 18:45 Euronyme wrote:
On September 18 2011 18:39 NovaTheFeared wrote:
On September 18 2011 17:53 teddyoojo wrote:
On September 18 2011 15:47 wordd wrote:
cool story but I really deeply hate war.

i agree. i cant say stuff like "respect" or "what a boss" its just, well i cant really express myself. i just disagree with ANY kind of war and im deeply against anything related to war that i just cant agree with anything related to war.

( im sorry if thats hard to read/understand but i seriously cant express myself in this regard..)


Yeah, God forbid anyone save lives if they're doing it in a war. That's rational.


Or maybe you could just not start wars in the first place.
The US army also has a pretty bad name internationally for its uncountably many war crimes. I think that is a bit of a boner killer for a lot of people.


Why do Europeans complain about everything? "maybe you should not start wars in the first place" you really think that is a reasonable thing to say?

The US army doesn't have a "bad name" internationally, can you provide negative stories from Iraqi civilians, or elsewhere, that can compare to the overwhelming about of 'peacekeeping' we do / did in the middle east.. korea.. everywhere..

I do want us to pull many of our troops back. But saying "maybe ya shundt'a started teh war hurr durr" is stupid.


I guess it was bound to come to this...
That's the 2nd time in a week I've seen someone sig a quote from this GD and I have never witnessed a sig quote happen in my TL history ever before. -Najda
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-18 10:07:48
September 18 2011 09:59 GMT
#70
I find it deeply troubling that there exists an unthinking revulsion to war that goes so far as to oppose meritorious and heroic actions like these simply because they occurred in a war. General opposition to war I find to be very rational. The death and destruction coming from wars, usually needlessly, is a tragedy. But to disparage heroism because of its link to a war is mindless and stupid.

Salute to Dakota Meyer.
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
September 18 2011 10:25 GMT
#71
On September 18 2011 17:48 darkscream wrote:
There's not many pieces of good news that come out of this ridiculous, frivolous, conspiracy-laden war, but damn.

That guy is really a hero. It's nice to hear a story like this about a returning soldier, because the other stories about returning soldiers are much more negative. And bonus man points for having a beer with Obama.


My word pretty much. Respect to mr. Meyer, well fucking done.
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Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7910 Posts
September 18 2011 10:33 GMT
#72
Don't enlist for fuck sake.

All of that is very nice. Heroism, all the stuff. Great. Do you know the suicide rate in US army in Irak and Afghanistan?

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/jan2010/suic-j06.shtml

Why would you go in the middle of an absurd war, in the middle of a population that doesn't want you and doesn't like you, fighting for a cause you don't know anything about because it is nonexistent? It doesn't make sense. Don't fuck up your life, seriously.

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Roflhaxx
Profile Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1244 Posts
September 18 2011 10:51 GMT
#73
Noticed in one of the pictures that the marine already had a purple heart, anyone knows if he got it because of this or has he done something amazing before as well?
A game where the first thing you do is scout with a “worker”. Does that make any sense? Who scouts with a “worker”? That’s like sending out the janitor to perform recon, what general would do that? Retarded game.
Alokiya
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States648 Posts
September 18 2011 11:07 GMT
#74
I'm fairly sure after reading this the universe was actually created to house Mr. Meyer's balls. Guy is a true hero, and every medal he was given was deserved ten fold.
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JFKWT
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Singapore1442 Posts
September 18 2011 11:15 GMT
#75
Why are users being warned for being anti-war/anti-army?

that being said, cool guy saved 36 for 8 taliban lives so mathematically thats probably a bit of a (pyrrhic) victory I guess?

=/ ??
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thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-18 11:34:21
September 18 2011 11:19 GMT
#76
In a situation where killing people is central activity, I think discipline should be valued much higher than heroism. Admittedly, this looks a lot better than all of the horror stories involving torture, corpse mutilation, drones, drug use, and civilian casualties, but it also says that disregarding orders is not only acceptable but laudable under the right circumstances. Of course things aren't totally cut and dried, and orders received are subject to human error, but the more strict discipline is, more negative incidents of insubordination should be less likely.

As to joining yourself, you have to ask yourself whether you can be a killer. In wartime, anyone in the service could be put in combat situations. Do you have what it takes to kill another human being?

On September 18 2011 18:29 Silentness wrote:
Anyways marines are bad ass. Being in the marines is pretty respectful because it's a pretty strict military style.

I used to live by a marine base and on Friday night respectful could be pretty far from the mark. Don't get me wrong, they're human and I met plenty of marines who were great folks, but the 'we're the best killing machines in the world' attitude associated with that branch tends to attract a more muscle-head attitude than say sailors.

EDIT: Just to clarify, I'm not trying to say it wasn't a heroic action. I'm just saying that disregarding orders is the root of problems in the occupation.
Deadlyfish
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1980 Posts
September 18 2011 11:23 GMT
#77
On September 18 2011 20:15 JFKWT wrote:
Why are users being warned for being anti-war/anti-army?

that being said, cool guy saved 36 for 8 taliban lives so mathematically thats probably a bit of a (pyrrhic) victory I guess?

=/ ??


Yea thats 36 lives saved and 0 lost.

This guy really deserves the medal.
If wishes were horses we'd be eating steak right now.
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
September 18 2011 11:29 GMT
#78
since we're only allowed to praise his actions and not comment on the surrounding circumstances or the war itself, I'll just say pretty baller of him to ask for having a beer with the president. ^^
garlicface
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada4196 Posts
September 18 2011 11:30 GMT
#79
On September 18 2011 20:15 JFKWT wrote:
Why are users being warned for being anti-war/anti-army?

that being said, cool guy saved 36 for 8 taliban lives so mathematically thats probably a bit of a (pyrrhic) victory I guess?

=/ ??

A bit of victory? 8 "bad guys" died. Does it make any difference to you whether they die or are just critically wounded? Do Meyer's actions suddenly become more tolerable?

To people bitching in the thread:
What if there were 8 armed robbers carrying lethal force in a bank? I kill all 8, and save 36 people in the bank.

Am I more deserving of praise because it "wasn't war"? Am I not worthy of praise at all because I killed people?

+ Show Spoiler +
God damn some of your comments are just infuriating.
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Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7910 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-18 11:35:27
September 18 2011 11:31 GMT
#80
On September 18 2011 20:23 Deadlyfish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 20:15 JFKWT wrote:
Why are users being warned for being anti-war/anti-army?

that being said, cool guy saved 36 for 8 taliban lives so mathematically thats probably a bit of a (pyrrhic) victory I guess?

=/ ??


Yea thats 36 lives saved and 0 lost.

This guy really deserves the medal.

Talibans don't have lives, that's interesting.

Can you explain the reasoning?

On September 18 2011 20:30 garlicface wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 20:15 JFKWT wrote:
Why are users being warned for being anti-war/anti-army?

that being said, cool guy saved 36 for 8 taliban lives so mathematically thats probably a bit of a (pyrrhic) victory I guess?

=/ ??

A bit of victory? 8 "bad guys" died. Does it make any difference to you whether they die or are just critically wounded? Do Meyer's actions suddenly become more tolerable?

To people bitching in the thread:
What if there were 8 armed robbers carrying lethal force in a bank? I kill all 8, and save 36 people in the bank.

Am I more deserving of praise because it "wasn't war"? Am I not worthy of praise at all because I killed people?

+ Show Spoiler +
God damn some of your comments are just infuriating.

He did great for his army, and that's true surely heroic. But if you talk about saving lives, the 8 enemies he killed will also leave widows and orphans behind.

That's all what we mean.

Now, the perspective is completely different whether you consider that the Americans are the aggressor and that these people were defending their country, which is something many people, including me believe (it doesn't make Taliban any nicer, though), or if you think that they deserve death for their fight.

The point with the bank robbery is that the 36 people would be innocent. Here we talk about two factions fighting, and it's not that clear who is right and wrong.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Deadlyfish
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1980 Posts
September 18 2011 11:33 GMT
#81
On September 18 2011 20:31 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 20:23 Deadlyfish wrote:
On September 18 2011 20:15 JFKWT wrote:
Why are users being warned for being anti-war/anti-army?

that being said, cool guy saved 36 for 8 taliban lives so mathematically thats probably a bit of a (pyrrhic) victory I guess?

=/ ??


Yea thats 36 lives saved and 0 lost.

This guy really deserves the medal.

Talibans don't have lives, that's interesting.

Can you explain the reasoning?



Sure, they kill innocent people, among them women and children. Killing a taliban is not a life lost in my opinion. Especially not when they're trying to kill you. If someone is shooting at wounded soldiers or whatever, their life doesnt really mean anything to me.
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Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7910 Posts
September 18 2011 11:38 GMT
#82
On September 18 2011 20:33 Deadlyfish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 20:31 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On September 18 2011 20:23 Deadlyfish wrote:
On September 18 2011 20:15 JFKWT wrote:
Why are users being warned for being anti-war/anti-army?

that being said, cool guy saved 36 for 8 taliban lives so mathematically thats probably a bit of a (pyrrhic) victory I guess?

=/ ??


Yea thats 36 lives saved and 0 lost.

This guy really deserves the medal.

Talibans don't have lives, that's interesting.

Can you explain the reasoning?



Sure, they kill innocent people, among them women and children. Killing a taliban is not a life lost in my opinion. Especially not when they're trying to kill you. If someone is shooting at wounded soldiers or whatever, their life doesnt really mean anything to me.

When you don't consider your enemies as being humans anymore, you are in serious trouble.

And the idea that life of some people doesn't have any value is... disturbing, for the least.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
September 18 2011 11:41 GMT
#83
Uh oh a thread about Marines on TL. Time for 100 Starcraft jokes and 101 bans from Kennigit.
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teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-18 11:47:32
September 18 2011 11:42 GMT
#84
On September 18 2011 20:33 Deadlyfish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 20:31 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On September 18 2011 20:23 Deadlyfish wrote:
On September 18 2011 20:15 JFKWT wrote:
Why are users being warned for being anti-war/anti-army?

that being said, cool guy saved 36 for 8 taliban lives so mathematically thats probably a bit of a (pyrrhic) victory I guess?

=/ ??


Yea thats 36 lives saved and 0 lost.

This guy really deserves the medal.

Talibans don't have lives, that's interesting.

Can you explain the reasoning?



Sure, they kill innocent people, among them women and children. Killing a taliban is not a life lost in my opinion. Especially not when they're trying to kill you. If someone is shooting at wounded soldiers or whatever, their life doesnt really mean anything to me.

are you serious?? i cant believe what i just read. disturbing and really really sad to say the least.
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Deadlyfish
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1980 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-18 11:44:16
September 18 2011 11:43 GMT
#85
On September 18 2011 20:38 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 20:33 Deadlyfish wrote:
On September 18 2011 20:31 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On September 18 2011 20:23 Deadlyfish wrote:
On September 18 2011 20:15 JFKWT wrote:
Why are users being warned for being anti-war/anti-army?

that being said, cool guy saved 36 for 8 taliban lives so mathematically thats probably a bit of a (pyrrhic) victory I guess?

=/ ??


Yea thats 36 lives saved and 0 lost.

This guy really deserves the medal.

Talibans don't have lives, that's interesting.

Can you explain the reasoning?



Sure, they kill innocent people, among them women and children. Killing a taliban is not a life lost in my opinion. Especially not when they're trying to kill you. If someone is shooting at wounded soldiers or whatever, their life doesnt really mean anything to me.

When you don't consider your enemies as being humans anymore, you are in serious trouble.

And the idea that life of some people doesn't have any value is... disturbing, for the least.


I would consider them human. But when taliban warriors, who already have sort of a bad rep, are trying to kill wounded soldiers then i dont think you should really care about them. And i would not consider their lives lost a bad thing.

Obviously you should never kill someone if it can be avoided, but in this case i dont think that is a possibility.
If wishes were horses we'd be eating steak right now.
Equity213
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada873 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-18 13:02:22
September 18 2011 11:45 GMT
#86
sorry I dont cheer for murderers. No matter how warm and bubbly it makes you feel inside. Aww a beer with president isnt that nice.

User was temp banned for this post and a horrible moderation history at this site.
GGitsJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
New Zealand426 Posts
September 18 2011 11:46 GMT
#87
100% Legit.
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Lafie
Profile Joined August 2005
Finland36 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-18 12:57:58
September 18 2011 11:54 GMT
#88
On September 18 2011 20:33 Deadlyfish wrote:
Sure, they kill innocent people, among them women and children. Killing a taliban is not a life lost in my opinion. Especially not when they're trying to kill you. If someone is shooting at wounded soldiers or whatever, their life doesnt really mean anything to me.


= No warnings.

sorry I dont cheer for murderers. No matter how warm and bubbly it makes you feel inside. Aww a beer with president isnt that nice.


= Temp ban.

We can at least see which side the moderators are.

User was warned for this post

Specifically, being off topic after the warning was issued
TearsOfTheSun
Profile Joined March 2006
Canada995 Posts
September 18 2011 11:57 GMT
#89
phenominal. the 3 youngest people to recieve and be still living are 23, 26 and 32. the next is 61. thats incredible and this man is a hero. even though i have my own opinions on the war and all this stuff i still consider him a hero
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acidfreak
Profile Joined November 2010
Romania352 Posts
September 18 2011 12:06 GMT
#90
War does not born heroes anymore, it borns stock market profits.
You can't out-think the swarm, you can't out-maneuver the swarm, and you certainly can't break the morale of the swarm.
reneg
Profile Joined September 2010
United States859 Posts
September 18 2011 12:09 GMT
#91
This man is a hero, i'm very glad that he's serving in our military and is willing to go above and beyond to help save other lives.

100% support him.

What a BA. Also props on a beer w/ the president!
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gillon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1578 Posts
September 18 2011 12:15 GMT
#92
On September 18 2011 14:06 Torte de Lini wrote:
I think the medal of honor that went to the man who used his helmet and body to cover a grenade and save his troops was a lot more amazing than this story.

Both are heroic and exceptional! But that story touched me a lot more D:


Yeah, that kinda stuff will have me shedding manly tears in no time.
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BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
September 18 2011 12:16 GMT
#93
On September 18 2011 20:54 Lafie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 20:33 Deadlyfish wrote:
Sure, they kill innocent people, among them women and children. Killing a taliban is not a life lost in my opinion. Especially not when they're trying to kill you. If someone is shooting at wounded soldiers or whatever, their life doesnt really mean anything to me.


= No warnings.
Show nested quote +

sorry I dont cheer for murderers. No matter how warm and bubbly it makes you feel inside. Aww a beer with president isnt that nice.


= Temp ban.

We can at least see which side the moderators are.


Looks like they're not on the side of the people that treat women like shit and set off bombs in crowded marketplaces. What a shocker.
Black[CAT]
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Malaysia2589 Posts
September 18 2011 12:21 GMT
#94
He fought, got the Medal of Honour and lived to drink beer with the president...
This man, is a hero!
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teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
September 18 2011 12:24 GMT
#95
On September 18 2011 21:16 BlackJack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 20:54 Lafie wrote:
On September 18 2011 20:33 Deadlyfish wrote:
Sure, they kill innocent people, among them women and children. Killing a taliban is not a life lost in my opinion. Especially not when they're trying to kill you. If someone is shooting at wounded soldiers or whatever, their life doesnt really mean anything to me.


= No warnings.

sorry I dont cheer for murderers. No matter how warm and bubbly it makes you feel inside. Aww a beer with president isnt that nice.


= Temp ban.

We can at least see which side the moderators are.


Looks like they're not on the side of the people that treat women like shit and set off bombs in crowded marketplaces. What a shocker.

you just totally missed the point good sir
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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
September 18 2011 12:28 GMT
#96
Now that's a hero.

And rofl at his request to have a beer with the president. XD
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BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
September 18 2011 12:32 GMT
#97
On September 18 2011 21:24 teddyoojo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 21:16 BlackJack wrote:
On September 18 2011 20:54 Lafie wrote:
On September 18 2011 20:33 Deadlyfish wrote:
Sure, they kill innocent people, among them women and children. Killing a taliban is not a life lost in my opinion. Especially not when they're trying to kill you. If someone is shooting at wounded soldiers or whatever, their life doesnt really mean anything to me.


= No warnings.

sorry I dont cheer for murderers. No matter how warm and bubbly it makes you feel inside. Aww a beer with president isnt that nice.


= Temp ban.

We can at least see which side the moderators are.


Looks like they're not on the side of the people that treat women like shit and set off bombs in crowded marketplaces. What a shocker.

you just totally missed the point good sir


I know what the guy's point is. It's just not a very good point, which is why I am mocking it
3DGlaDOS
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany607 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-18 12:52:00
September 18 2011 12:32 GMT
#98
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 18 2011 20:38 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 20:33 Deadlyfish wrote:
On September 18 2011 20:31 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On September 18 2011 20:23 Deadlyfish wrote:
On September 18 2011 20:15 JFKWT wrote:
Why are users being warned for being anti-war/anti-army?

that being said, cool guy saved 36 for 8 taliban lives so mathematically thats probably a bit of a (pyrrhic) victory I guess?

=/ ??


Yea thats 36 lives saved and 0 lost.

This guy really deserves the medal.

Talibans don't have lives, that's interesting.

Can you explain the reasoning?



Sure, they kill innocent people, among them women and children. Killing a taliban is not a life lost in my opinion. Especially not when they're trying to kill you. If someone is shooting at wounded soldiers or whatever, their life doesnt really mean anything to me.

When you don't consider your enemies as being humans anymore, you are in serious trouble.

And the idea that life of some people doesn't have any value is... disturbing, for the least.


Don't be overcorrect, if you'd be there you would think exactly like Deadlyfish.
If you're in favor of your enemy, who would kill you as soon as he sees you, you're doing it wrong as a soldier. At least in modern wars (Iraq and Afghanistan), where you don't know if it's a civilian or a Taliban.
War is bad, and really disturbing and terrific actions are done on both sides. IMO you can't look away in a part of the world where bad things happen, and to help this country it's for me okay to use the military to get peace in this country (like e.g. in Iraq, the situation there is getting better). For this we need people (or "heroes") like Mr.Meyer!
But why don't we (or rather the US and UK army, since the rest of europe doesn't do much) for example help in Sri Lanka or the dozen of african countries where civil wars are going on? It's interesting, because these countries don't have much economical potential.
I'm just asking this question since I haven't heard a reasonable answer to it.
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teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-18 12:42:13
September 18 2011 12:39 GMT
#99
On September 18 2011 21:32 wBsKillian wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 18 2011 20:38 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 20:33 Deadlyfish wrote:
On September 18 2011 20:31 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On September 18 2011 20:23 Deadlyfish wrote:
On September 18 2011 20:15 JFKWT wrote:
Why are users being warned for being anti-war/anti-army?

that being said, cool guy saved 36 for 8 taliban lives so mathematically thats probably a bit of a (pyrrhic) victory I guess?

=/ ??


Yea thats 36 lives saved and 0 lost.

This guy really deserves the medal.

Talibans don't have lives, that's interesting.

Can you explain the reasoning?



Sure, they kill innocent people, among them women and children. Killing a taliban is not a life lost in my opinion. Especially not when they're trying to kill you. If someone is shooting at wounded soldiers or whatever, their life doesnt really mean anything to me.

When you don't consider your enemies as being humans anymore, you are in serious trouble.

And the idea that life of some people doesn't have any value is... disturbing, for the least.


Don't be overcorrect, if you'd be there you would think exactly like Deadlyfish.
If you're in favor of your enemy, who would kill you as soon as he sees you, you're doing it wrong as a soldier.
War is bad, and really disturbing and terrific actions are done on both sides. IMO you can't look away in a part of the world where bad things happen, and to help this country it's for me okay to use the military to get peace in this country (like e.g. in Iraq, the situation there is getting better). For this we need people (or "heroes") like Mr.Meyer!
But why don't we (or rather the US and UK army, since the rest of europe doesn't do much) for example help in Sri Lanka or the dozen of african countries where civil wars are going on? It's interesting, because these countries don't have much economical potential.
I'm just asking this question since I haven't heard a reasonable answer to it.

Your first point is just not true..
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and well, to your point with the african countries, its not really related to the thread.
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vGl-CoW
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Belgium8305 Posts
September 18 2011 12:43 GMT
#100
Are you guys blind to the warning at the top of this thread?

"This thread is about this particular act/individual, and doesn't need to turn into a flame fest about the merits of the war, wars in general, or to bash nations."

One more word that's off-topic and I'm dishing out tempbans.
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3DGlaDOS
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany607 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-18 12:46:03
September 18 2011 12:45 GMT
#101
Hello Sir, do you have a minute for atheism?
The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
September 18 2011 12:45 GMT
#102
On September 18 2011 20:33 Deadlyfish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 20:31 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On September 18 2011 20:23 Deadlyfish wrote:
On September 18 2011 20:15 JFKWT wrote:
Why are users being warned for being anti-war/anti-army?

that being said, cool guy saved 36 for 8 taliban lives so mathematically thats probably a bit of a (pyrrhic) victory I guess?

=/ ??


Yea thats 36 lives saved and 0 lost.

This guy really deserves the medal.

Talibans don't have lives, that's interesting.

Can you explain the reasoning?



Sure, they kill innocent people, among them women and children. Killing a taliban is not a life lost in my opinion. Especially not when they're trying to kill you. If someone is shooting at wounded soldiers or whatever, their life doesnt really mean anything to me.


Although I also shed no tears for enemy combatants, I would urge you to consider that they feel the exact same thing about our soldiers.
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7910 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-18 12:50:18
September 18 2011 12:48 GMT
#103
nvm (I think if this thread is just about saying HURRAY to the brave hero, it's not very constructive and interesting, so i'm gonna leave it there.)
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Supamang
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2298 Posts
September 18 2011 12:53 GMT
#104
I cant believe people are using this thread as a platform to spout their personal beliefs about war.

Forget about the war, forget about the reasons the war is being fought. Just recognize that this guy was willing to repeatedly put himself in mortal danger for to save the lives of his comrades. And after receiving the highest commendation possible, all he wanted was to have a beer with the president. How is that not cool?
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7910 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-18 13:03:40
September 18 2011 12:57 GMT
#105
On September 18 2011 21:53 Supamang wrote:
I cant believe people are using this thread as a platform to spout their personal beliefs about war.

Forget about the war, forget about the reasons the war is being fought. Just recognize that this guy was willing to repeatedly put himself in mortal danger for to save the lives of his comrades. And after receiving the highest commendation possible, all he wanted was to have a beer with the president. How is that not cool?

Ok, my last post in that thread and I'm off, because it's becoming dangerous.

If the soldier was a Taliban who saved his comrade's lives against American and killed 8 of them, would you say the same and rejoice?

Since the Taliban are, for a certain number of us, not the "bad ones" in this war, but just people who defend their country (and their terrible believes have nothing to do with that), it's exactly the same.

So if such thread was made, wouldn't you reasonably expect Americans to say that maybe it was heroic, but maybe there are other questions to be asked?

That's what some people are saying. It's not to bash anybody, and it's not stupid anti-Americanism.

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ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12481 Posts
September 18 2011 12:57 GMT
#106
On September 18 2011 21:53 Supamang wrote:
I cant believe people are using this thread as a platform to spout their personal beliefs about war.

Forget about the war, forget about the reasons the war is being fought. Just recognize that this guy was willing to repeatedly put himself in mortal danger for to save the lives of his comrades. And after receiving the highest commendation possible, all he wanted was to have a beer with the president. How is that not cool?

everyone is fighting for their own and their team mates' life in war. Whether it was ordered or not ordered.
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K_Dilkington
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden449 Posts
September 18 2011 12:59 GMT
#107
What a guy, can't say I would do the same but I guess you don't know what you're capable of until your put into extreme situations like these. I like how his only request was to have a beer with the president :D
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AcuWill
Profile Joined August 2010
United States281 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-18 13:03:28
September 18 2011 13:01 GMT
#108
On September 18 2011 21:57 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 21:53 Supamang wrote:
I cant believe people are using this thread as a platform to spout their personal beliefs about war.

Forget about the war, forget about the reasons the war is being fought. Just recognize that this guy was willing to repeatedly put himself in mortal danger for to save the lives of his comrades. And after receiving the highest commendation possible, all he wanted was to have a beer with the president. How is that not cool?

Ok, my last post in that thread and I'm off, because it's becoming dangerous.

If the soldier was a Taliban who saved his comrade's lives against American and killed 8 of them, would you say the same and rejoice?

Since the Taliban are, for a certain number of us, not the "bad ones" in this war, but just people who defend their country (and their terrible believes have nothing to do with that), it's exactly the same.

So if such thread was made, wouldn't you reasonably expect Americans to say that maybe it was heroic, but maybe there are other questions to be asked?

That's what some people are saying. It's not to bash anybody, and it's not stupid anti-Americanism.

Agree.

I am very pleased that he was able to save his fellow comrades, but I find it odd that this incident which is a result of a culmination all that is wrong with the current wars and a microcosm therein (screwed up chain of command, questionable or non-existent end goals, lack of organization, inability to determine location, inability to determine the enemy, inability to determine allies, misappropriation of resources, etc.) is being used by some as motivation to add themselves to the meat grinder.

Edit: And why was he temp banned for a salient point which was made with no attack on other posters?
[GiTM]-Ace
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4935 Posts
September 18 2011 13:02 GMT
#109
this guy is pretty much the man. I wonder what they talked about during that beer. Probably nothing about war
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K_Dilkington
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden449 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-18 13:04:48
September 18 2011 13:04 GMT
#110
On September 18 2011 21:57 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 21:53 Supamang wrote:
I cant believe people are using this thread as a platform to spout their personal beliefs about war.

Forget about the war, forget about the reasons the war is being fought. Just recognize that this guy was willing to repeatedly put himself in mortal danger for to save the lives of his comrades. And after receiving the highest commendation possible, all he wanted was to have a beer with the president. How is that not cool?

Ok, my last post in that thread and I'm off, because it's becoming dangerous.

If the soldier was a Taliban who saved his comrade's lives against American and killed 8 of them, would you say the same and rejoice?

Since the Taliban are, for a certain number of us, not the "bad ones" in this war, but just people who defend their country (and their terrible believes have nothing to do with that), it's exactly the same.

So if such thread was made, wouldn't you reasonably expect Americans to say that maybe it was heroic, but maybe there are other questions to be asked?

That's what some people are saying. It's not to bash anybody, and it's not stupid anti-Americanism.


You're extremely ignorant. Maybe you should do some research on the Talibans first so you don't look like a complete idiot? You're defending a group of religious fanatics that would kill you and your family without hesitation for the sole reason that you're not Muslim. Stop being so got damned blue eyed and wake up to the realization that not all people are equally good. You're a prime example of how European pacifism have turned tolerance into tolerance of hate and fanaticism.

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zachMEISTER
Profile Joined December 2010
United States625 Posts
September 18 2011 13:13 GMT
#111
On September 18 2011 22:04 K_Dilkington wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 21:57 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On September 18 2011 21:53 Supamang wrote:
I cant believe people are using this thread as a platform to spout their personal beliefs about war.

Forget about the war, forget about the reasons the war is being fought. Just recognize that this guy was willing to repeatedly put himself in mortal danger for to save the lives of his comrades. And after receiving the highest commendation possible, all he wanted was to have a beer with the president. How is that not cool?

Ok, my last post in that thread and I'm off, because it's becoming dangerous.

If the soldier was a Taliban who saved his comrade's lives against American and killed 8 of them, would you say the same and rejoice?

Since the Taliban are, for a certain number of us, not the "bad ones" in this war, but just people who defend their country (and their terrible believes have nothing to do with that), it's exactly the same.

So if such thread was made, wouldn't you reasonably expect Americans to say that maybe it was heroic, but maybe there are other questions to be asked?

That's what some people are saying. It's not to bash anybody, and it's not stupid anti-Americanism.


You're extremely ignorant. Maybe you should do some research on the Talibans first so you don't look like a complete idiot? You're defending a group of religious fanatics that would kill you and your family without hesitation for the sole reason that you're not Muslim. Stop being so got damned blue eyed and wake up to the realization that not all people are equally good. You're a prime example of how European pacifism have turned tolerance into tolerance of hate and fanaticism.

User was temp banned for this post.



LoL, well spoken.


Being told not to do something Heroic is common in the theatre of war. That's why they tell you no, because you're acting as a hero, and not doing as told. However, after the many many attempts to get some help from his superiors, I feel his actions were justified. I don't care who you are, if you're comrades are pinned down and you're watching from a distance, it's going to eat you from the inside very quickly.

He would've done something either way. He already stated he "was sure he was going to die." That's why this guy was awarded the medal of honor, not because he disobeyed an ordered or his kill count. This man displayed HONOR in the heat of battle. He put others' lives before his own. Fuck the politics and moralities, this dude is a bad ass and deserves much respect.
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nooboon
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
2602 Posts
September 18 2011 13:21 GMT
#112
This guy (and the driver) deserves the up most respect. Risking his life and/or being court martial ed, they still went in and rescued their comrades.

(You know when you have been paying attention to Starcraft too much when you read the title and thought MKP won a medal of honor.)
darklight54321
Profile Joined July 2011
United States361 Posts
September 18 2011 13:32 GMT
#113
For those who said something about a Court Martial for disobeying direct orders.

During the investigation they found numerous flaws in the command chain, if it wasn't for this he would prob have gotten a Honorable Discharge and a Medal, but since they found these flaws in this situation, and they need some form of hero always in every war, he was able to "get away" with it. Plus, if you mention they never said where the order came from, if it came from his DIRECT superior the Captain, then it would mean more then a guy several miles away with no info.
Supamang
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2298 Posts
September 18 2011 14:17 GMT
#114
On September 18 2011 21:57 ETisME wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 21:53 Supamang wrote:
I cant believe people are using this thread as a platform to spout their personal beliefs about war.

Forget about the war, forget about the reasons the war is being fought. Just recognize that this guy was willing to repeatedly put himself in mortal danger for to save the lives of his comrades. And after receiving the highest commendation possible, all he wanted was to have a beer with the president. How is that not cool?

everyone is fighting for their own and their team mates' life in war. Whether it was ordered or not ordered.

ok? really though, whats the point of this post? are you just trying to one up me for he sake of doing so?

besides it doesnt work. no shit everyone is fighting for their lives and their teammates lives. Obviously this particular soldier went above and beyond the call of duty and that is why he earned the medal. Seriously, whats your problem?
Puph
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-18 14:35:17
September 18 2011 14:29 GMT
#115
This seems like quite the controversial topic. I will be sure to discuss this in ethics class. All five sides of it.

edit: bold to italic

On September 18 2011 23:31 AsnSensation wrote:
Im not a huge fan of the military, especially the us army,

but if everything in this article is true then this guy is a fucking baller, imba like his starcraft 2 marine brothers.

that's how its done
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AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
September 18 2011 14:31 GMT
#116
Im not a huge fan of the military, especially the us army,

but if everything in this article is true then this guy is a fucking baller, imba like his starcraft 2 marine brothers.
ddrddrddrddr
Profile Joined August 2010
1344 Posts
September 18 2011 14:47 GMT
#117
I don't respect the military establishments much, but if he was as selfless and humble as the article describes, then my hats are off to him.
kef
Profile Joined September 2010
283 Posts
September 18 2011 15:08 GMT
#118
I agree the guy's a hero, but he did disobey a direct order. The only reason that's excusable is because he was a hoss and what he did actually worked.
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Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland348 Posts
September 18 2011 15:16 GMT
#119
I'm just thinking how this particular case will affect the next disobeying cases, in US law u can still use precedent/authority ? I mean, he got the medal because he actually saved people, what if some1 did not, even more, more got killed and he survived?
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
September 18 2011 15:21 GMT
#120
What a heroic person, man was it fortunate that things turned out the way he did. I mean it was Medal of Honor or the equivalent to disobeying orders in the USA...

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Nagisama
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada4481 Posts
September 18 2011 15:26 GMT
#121
Wow, what a boss, medal of honor and beer with the president. Can't get any more awesome than that.
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Brethern
Profile Joined February 2011
231 Posts
September 18 2011 15:33 GMT
#122
It's about time. Frankly I though the time of hero's was over after the Battle of Mogadishu, it's good to know that some soldiers aren't just doing their job for the money.
thoradycus
Profile Joined August 2010
Malaysia3262 Posts
September 18 2011 15:34 GMT
#123
this guy just needs stim, some shield and he'll be some supersoldier.
MetalLobster
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada532 Posts
September 18 2011 15:45 GMT
#124
On September 18 2011 14:58 Playguuu wrote:
Confirmed: Marines OP


WP WP.

Congratz to the marine, his medal of honor is well-deserved.
IntoTheBush
Profile Joined July 2010
United States552 Posts
September 18 2011 16:07 GMT
#125
thats how we roll in KY
Setev
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Malaysia390 Posts
September 18 2011 16:37 GMT
#126
On September 18 2011 16:35 ETisME wrote:
Just hate war no matter "what heroic action someone did"
afterall, america shouldn't even be there anyway

User was warned for this post
oh and I am warned.

Your "See if you can control yourselves." is more like "please only speak good about this".
This is an international website, you should actually learn about how other people can feel about this. I guess you are lucky that there is no Talibans here.

Next time if you want whatever type of comment, just state it ahead


I wonder how any of what Meyer did was a bad thing... If you are talking about US participation in the war, then that topic should be reserved for another thread, as its not relevant here, I guess..
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The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
September 18 2011 16:45 GMT
#127
On September 19 2011 01:07 IntoTheBush wrote:
thats how we roll in KY


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Wait what.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
September 18 2011 17:23 GMT
#128
On September 19 2011 01:45 The KY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2011 01:07 IntoTheBush wrote:
thats how we roll in KY


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Wait what.


He means Kentucky, KY is the abbreviation for Kentucky. Either way, this seems very heroic of him. I'm glad he made it out with the rest of the crew. Congrats to him for receiving the medal, I'm sure it please him and his family very well!
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FryktSkyene
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1327 Posts
September 18 2011 17:28 GMT
#129
Much respect.
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ISeriousNow
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom63 Posts
September 18 2011 17:30 GMT
#130
mad respect. this guy is 1337
dangerjoe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark1866 Posts
September 18 2011 18:03 GMT
#131
Much respect indeed. He sounds like a very cool person, I would buy him a beer any day!
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Weson
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Iceland1032 Posts
September 19 2011 01:08 GMT
#132
Huge respect for guys like this. A person who can think for him self, dissobay order and follow his own morals in war might not be what the military want though they are what humanity need.
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intoyourrainbOW
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States168 Posts
September 19 2011 01:18 GMT
#133
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Krehlmar
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1149 Posts
September 19 2011 01:19 GMT
#134
Against the wars, against idealizing people who go to war, don't enjoy it and I think it's sad that people need medals for doing what should be right from the very start.
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
September 19 2011 01:21 GMT
#135
And he got to drink beer with Obama, who has his own brewing set at the White House.
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ampson
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2355 Posts
September 19 2011 01:23 GMT
#136
The man saved 36 of his friends lives while putting his own in grave danger. Well deserved.
Sceptor87
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada266 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-19 01:37:35
September 19 2011 01:27 GMT
#137
Nothing but complete and total respect for this guy.

When the White House tried to arrange a call to inform Mr. Meyer — who was promoted to sergeant but left active duty for construction work in his home state, Kentucky — that he would be receiving the medal, Mr. Obama said, Mr. Meyer hesitated to get on the phone with the president because he was at work.

The call was rescheduled for Mr. Meyer’s lunch break, Mr. Obama said.

Mr. Meyer showed little inclination to celebrate receiving the Medal of Honor. His one request to the president while he was in Washington was that the two men have a beer together, which Mr. Obama and Mr. Meyer did on Wednesday evening in a patio near the Rose Garden.


I mean how can anybody with a set of nuts and a heart not think that this guy is as selfless as it gets. He not only saved people from certain death because of a complete military fuck up but he also really doesn't give a fuck if he just received the absolute highest certification of valor.

Throw aside personal beliefs in this so called "War on Terror" and realize that this single man is infinitely the better than many in a higher social status. Be happy for him and be happy to know that people like that exist. It at least gives me some semblance of hope for our species when I see acts like this instead of continual greed and gluttony.
On September 19 2011 10:19 Krehlmar wrote:
Against the wars, against idealizing people who go to war, don't enjoy it and I think it's sad that people need medals for doing what should be right from the very start.

Fact of the matter is that people don't do what's right, the vast majority of the time in fact. Most of the time it's all about self preservation instead of selfless acts of heroism or kindness. And you know that. In fact, and I'm rather ashamed to say this, but if I was in his position and the result looked grim I wouldn't have done what he did and I doubt that the majority of people would either.

And you should idealize some people that go to war. Do you look down on a WWII veteran from Britain, the US, Canada, Russia, and so on, someone that stopped a madman from committing further audacious acts of genocide and conquering Europe? Exactly.
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Steveh
Profile Joined October 2009
United States112 Posts
September 19 2011 01:28 GMT
#138
He was honored at the New York Jet game today (I was in attendance) and the crowd gave him a very patriotic applause. They also got very emotional when the PA detailed his heroics.
crown77
Profile Joined February 2011
United States157 Posts
September 19 2011 01:29 GMT
#139
HOLyyy Crap... that's unbelievable... whenever I watch an old movie with my grandma... she always says... *sigh... when men were men.... this guy is a Man
JiYan
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3668 Posts
September 19 2011 01:37 GMT
#140
its strange to me because you always hear about people getting punished for subordination. i mean even though what he did was admirable without a doubt, he still disobeyed orders.
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
September 19 2011 01:40 GMT
#141
On September 19 2011 10:37 JiYan wrote:
its strange to me because you always hear about people getting punished for subordination. i mean even though what he did was admirable without a doubt, he still disobeyed orders.


The 2 headed beast that is hypocrisy.
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Chargelot
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
2275 Posts
September 19 2011 01:46 GMT
#142
It honestly sounds like it could be the plot to a war game campaign mode. That's how fucking heroic this story sounds when I read it.
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Krehlmar
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1149 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-19 01:48:45
September 19 2011 01:47 GMT
#143
On September 19 2011 10:27 Sceptor87 wrote:

Show nested quote +
On September 19 2011 10:19 Krehlmar wrote:
Against the wars, against idealizing people who go to war, don't enjoy it and I think it's sad that people need medals for doing what should be right from the very start.



Fact of the matter is that people don't do what's right, the vast majority of the time in fact. Most of the time it's all about self preservation instead of selfless acts of heroism or kindness. And you know that. In fact, and I'm rather ashamed to say this, but if I was in his position and the result looked grim I wouldn't have done what he did and I doubt that the majority of people would either.

And you should idealize some people that go to war. Do you look down on a WWII veteran from Britain, the US, Canada, Russia, and so on, someone that stopped a madman from committing further audacious acts of genocide and conquering Europe? Exactly.


I'm replying to this but please anyone who is only here to give honors to a person they think did the right thing, ignore it. Don't want to start drama here just want to give my reply.
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So? My grandfathers brothers hjumpt into the tracks of german tanks when France was invaded. Not because of nationalism, they were forced to fight with WW1 rifles because they were from Tunisia (of which they were force-conscripted). Out of a 1000 batallion my grandfather was the only survivor because he didn't charge when asked. His friends who managed to stop some tanks with their own godamn bodies, didn't get medals. Because the tunisians, togheter with all the other force-conscripts, had no rights.

In my opinion World War 2 was a great thing for the entire world other than Europa since it taught the french and english that being the bitch in a conflict isn't fun. Without it we'd probably still have colonialism, no voting for blacks in the US and the standard of thinking in the world would still be Social Darwinism of which enabled the French, German, Italien, Belgium, Spanish, Netherlands etc. to commit thousands upon thousands of atrocities across the entire globe. (Newflash; Just about everyone was a racist back then.)

Colonialism killed more innocent lives than Hitler did. So did I think it was great that Hitler invaded Russia and thus killed his own expansion? Yes. Am I thankful for the French, English or Americans? No.
The world isn't black and white, people who go to war never do it for the right reasons.


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ZiegFeld
Profile Joined April 2011
351 Posts
September 19 2011 01:49 GMT
#144
Wish he tapped a mini camcorder to his helmet or something, he could retire selling the copyrights to that stuff.
Rybka
Profile Joined March 2010
United States836 Posts
September 19 2011 01:52 GMT
#145
Respect beyond words.

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Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
September 19 2011 01:53 GMT
#146
he rescued 3 dozen soldiers? wtf its hard enough to rescue 5 men. respect.
DreamChaser
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
1649 Posts
September 19 2011 02:00 GMT
#147
I find it interesting that the people who are all bad mouthing America war and so on are on a website that is based on a war strategy game just saying.

Oh yea this guys a total boss.
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Menzies
Profile Joined February 2011
New Zealand129 Posts
September 19 2011 02:01 GMT
#148
God bless him
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Ettick
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States2434 Posts
September 19 2011 02:05 GMT
#149
I'm speechless at how fucking awesome this guy is.
Xaerkar
Profile Joined January 2011
United States230 Posts
September 19 2011 02:12 GMT
#150
God this guy is a total boss, don't know what else to say. I hope this inspires other people to act upon what they believe is right, instead of what is spoon fed to them.
JamesJohansen
Profile Joined September 2010
United States213 Posts
September 19 2011 02:19 GMT
#151
On September 19 2011 10:37 JiYan wrote:
its strange to me because you always hear about people getting punished for subordination. i mean even though what he did was admirable without a doubt, he still disobeyed orders.

I agree. For some reason, while this guy has balls of steel, I feel somewhat bothered by this story. I mean, I'm sure the CO had a good reason for telling him not to go back into the line of fire. Had the story been different and he got shot right off the bat, this wouldn't be reported in the news and would just be a footnote saying a marine died from insubordination.

I guess he exorcised good judgement if it was clear enough for him to make multiple trips and fire on (and take out) enemies on the way. But I almost feel like this should be more cautionary. Yeah, he did the right thing, but don't ordinarily disobey orders.
Grimmyman123
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada939 Posts
September 19 2011 02:24 GMT
#152
Impressive feat, and congrats to him for recognition of his acts. Even better that he was able to visit the white house and meat the President of the United States.

The Medal of Honour is similar to the Victoria Cross - however the track record for the Vic Cross pretty much means the solider often is awarded posthumously.

Win. That's all that matters. Win. Nobody likes to lose.
No_Roo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States905 Posts
September 19 2011 02:26 GMT
#153
In the spirit of TL, the moderation approach of this thread so far doesn't feel particularly 'international'.
A bit disappointing to see. :\
(US) NoRoo.fighting
Ramiel
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1220 Posts
September 19 2011 02:26 GMT
#154
Respect, and Thank you! sir!
A thread vaguely bashing SC2? SWARM ON, LOW POST COUNT BRETHREN! DEFEND THE GLORIOUS GAME THAT IS OUR LIVELIHOOD
emc
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3088 Posts
September 19 2011 02:31 GMT
#155
damn marines OP.

this guy is a beast, I have some friends in the marines and those guys have balls.
AllHailTheDead
Profile Joined July 2011
United States418 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-19 05:19:21
September 19 2011 02:51 GMT
#156
ok i just wanna state first that this guy is indeed a true hero and deserves the medal and its awesome he had a beer with obama


i just wanna say you gotta think about what the Commanding Officer said. He did disobey an order but he saved lives

What if he didnt tho which is prob how his CO thought it would turn out

heavy machine gun fire, lost 36 men(they are pinned down CO prob didnt think they could be saved without excess of casualties and now 2 more want to risk their lives and lose 2 jeeps during(only one broke during). That would be an even worse lose already so I think the CO was doing the right thing


Glad it turned out good which in most wars is not the case


oh and EDIT: What if a german soldier wanted to disobey ordered during WWII. He prob would have been shot


one more edit. After watching the youtube video it puts it in a completely perspective to me

pretty epic glad he acted "you either get them out alive or you die trying, and if you didnt die trying you didnt try hard enough" pretty fucking savage
HauntYou
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada68 Posts
September 19 2011 05:08 GMT
#157
On September 19 2011 11:26 No_Roo wrote:
In the spirit of TL, the moderation approach of this thread so far doesn't feel particularly 'international'.
A bit disappointing to see. :\


TL is a privately owned site and they don't really have any obligation to be "international", whatever that means. The perspective is, a man is being awarded a prestigious award by his country for his valiant actions during a conflict. Pay no attention to which country or what conflict, because that is inconsequential. After all, if it were each poster's own respective country they would likely have no qualms with it, but it's much too easy to hate and criticize another.

I can respect the action of putting oneself in danger in order to save others, politics aside. Sometimes I feel like people don't quite understand what being a soldier entails- they place their lives in the hands of their superiors (and politicians) in the belief that whatever orders they dictate will serve and protect their country. This topic is not a platform to spout one's own convoluted opinion on war, but to honour a medal of honor recipient.

If people want to discuss anything other than this man's actions, that belongs elsewhere.
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