EPTMarine receives medal of honor - Page 6
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Was hoping I wouldn't have to make this warning, but jesus christ you guys just can't help yourselves, can you?!? I'm disappointed, but not surprised. Anyways... This thread is about this particular act/individual, and doesn't need to turn into a flame fest about the merits of the war, wars in general, or to bash nations. See if you can control yourselves. | ||
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3DGlaDOS
Germany607 Posts
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
On September 18 2011 20:33 Deadlyfish wrote: Sure, they kill innocent people, among them women and children. Killing a taliban is not a life lost in my opinion. Especially not when they're trying to kill you. If someone is shooting at wounded soldiers or whatever, their life doesnt really mean anything to me. Although I also shed no tears for enemy combatants, I would urge you to consider that they feel the exact same thing about our soldiers. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8215 Posts
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Supamang
United States2298 Posts
Forget about the war, forget about the reasons the war is being fought. Just recognize that this guy was willing to repeatedly put himself in mortal danger for to save the lives of his comrades. And after receiving the highest commendation possible, all he wanted was to have a beer with the president. How is that not cool? | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8215 Posts
On September 18 2011 21:53 Supamang wrote: I cant believe people are using this thread as a platform to spout their personal beliefs about war. Forget about the war, forget about the reasons the war is being fought. Just recognize that this guy was willing to repeatedly put himself in mortal danger for to save the lives of his comrades. And after receiving the highest commendation possible, all he wanted was to have a beer with the president. How is that not cool? Ok, my last post in that thread and I'm off, because it's becoming dangerous. If the soldier was a Taliban who saved his comrade's lives against American and killed 8 of them, would you say the same and rejoice? Since the Taliban are, for a certain number of us, not the "bad ones" in this war, but just people who defend their country (and their terrible believes have nothing to do with that), it's exactly the same. So if such thread was made, wouldn't you reasonably expect Americans to say that maybe it was heroic, but maybe there are other questions to be asked? That's what some people are saying. It's not to bash anybody, and it's not stupid anti-Americanism. User was temp banned for ignoring prior warning in this thread and knowing better. | ||
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ETisME
12902 Posts
On September 18 2011 21:53 Supamang wrote: I cant believe people are using this thread as a platform to spout their personal beliefs about war. Forget about the war, forget about the reasons the war is being fought. Just recognize that this guy was willing to repeatedly put himself in mortal danger for to save the lives of his comrades. And after receiving the highest commendation possible, all he wanted was to have a beer with the president. How is that not cool? everyone is fighting for their own and their team mates' life in war. Whether it was ordered or not ordered. | ||
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K_Dilkington
Sweden449 Posts
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AcuWill
United States281 Posts
On September 18 2011 21:57 Biff The Understudy wrote: Ok, my last post in that thread and I'm off, because it's becoming dangerous. If the soldier was a Taliban who saved his comrade's lives against American and killed 8 of them, would you say the same and rejoice? Since the Taliban are, for a certain number of us, not the "bad ones" in this war, but just people who defend their country (and their terrible believes have nothing to do with that), it's exactly the same. So if such thread was made, wouldn't you reasonably expect Americans to say that maybe it was heroic, but maybe there are other questions to be asked? That's what some people are saying. It's not to bash anybody, and it's not stupid anti-Americanism. Agree. I am very pleased that he was able to save his fellow comrades, but I find it odd that this incident which is a result of a culmination all that is wrong with the current wars and a microcosm therein (screwed up chain of command, questionable or non-existent end goals, lack of organization, inability to determine location, inability to determine the enemy, inability to determine allies, misappropriation of resources, etc.) is being used by some as motivation to add themselves to the meat grinder. Edit: And why was he temp banned for a salient point which was made with no attack on other posters? | ||
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[GiTM]-Ace
United States4935 Posts
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K_Dilkington
Sweden449 Posts
On September 18 2011 21:57 Biff The Understudy wrote: Ok, my last post in that thread and I'm off, because it's becoming dangerous. If the soldier was a Taliban who saved his comrade's lives against American and killed 8 of them, would you say the same and rejoice? Since the Taliban are, for a certain number of us, not the "bad ones" in this war, but just people who defend their country (and their terrible believes have nothing to do with that), it's exactly the same. So if such thread was made, wouldn't you reasonably expect Americans to say that maybe it was heroic, but maybe there are other questions to be asked? That's what some people are saying. It's not to bash anybody, and it's not stupid anti-Americanism. You're extremely ignorant. Maybe you should do some research on the Talibans first so you don't look like a complete idiot? You're defending a group of religious fanatics that would kill you and your family without hesitation for the sole reason that you're not Muslim. Stop being so got damned blue eyed and wake up to the realization that not all people are equally good. You're a prime example of how European pacifism have turned tolerance into tolerance of hate and fanaticism. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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zachMEISTER
United States625 Posts
On September 18 2011 22:04 K_Dilkington wrote: You're extremely ignorant. Maybe you should do some research on the Talibans first so you don't look like a complete idiot? You're defending a group of religious fanatics that would kill you and your family without hesitation for the sole reason that you're not Muslim. Stop being so got damned blue eyed and wake up to the realization that not all people are equally good. You're a prime example of how European pacifism have turned tolerance into tolerance of hate and fanaticism. User was temp banned for this post. LoL, well spoken. Being told not to do something Heroic is common in the theatre of war. That's why they tell you no, because you're acting as a hero, and not doing as told. However, after the many many attempts to get some help from his superiors, I feel his actions were justified. I don't care who you are, if you're comrades are pinned down and you're watching from a distance, it's going to eat you from the inside very quickly. He would've done something either way. He already stated he "was sure he was going to die." That's why this guy was awarded the medal of honor, not because he disobeyed an ordered or his kill count. This man displayed HONOR in the heat of battle. He put others' lives before his own. Fuck the politics and moralities, this dude is a bad ass and deserves much respect. | ||
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nooboon
2602 Posts
(You know when you have been paying attention to Starcraft too much when you read the title and thought MKP won a medal of honor.) | ||
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darklight54321
United States361 Posts
During the investigation they found numerous flaws in the command chain, if it wasn't for this he would prob have gotten a Honorable Discharge and a Medal, but since they found these flaws in this situation, and they need some form of hero always in every war, he was able to "get away" with it. Plus, if you mention they never said where the order came from, if it came from his DIRECT superior the Captain, then it would mean more then a guy several miles away with no info. | ||
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Supamang
United States2298 Posts
On September 18 2011 21:57 ETisME wrote: everyone is fighting for their own and their team mates' life in war. Whether it was ordered or not ordered. ok? really though, whats the point of this post? are you just trying to one up me for he sake of doing so? besides it doesnt work. no shit everyone is fighting for their lives and their teammates lives. Obviously this particular soldier went above and beyond the call of duty and that is why he earned the medal. Seriously, whats your problem? | ||
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Puph
Canada635 Posts
edit: bold to italic On September 18 2011 23:31 AsnSensation wrote: Im not a huge fan of the military, especially the us army, but if everything in this article is true then this guy is a fucking baller, imba like his starcraft 2 marine brothers. that's how its done  | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
but if everything in this article is true then this guy is a fucking baller, imba like his starcraft 2 marine brothers. | ||
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ddrddrddrddr
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kef
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voy
Poland348 Posts
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
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