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Was hoping I wouldn't have to make this warning, but jesus christ you guys just can't help yourselves, can you?!? I'm disappointed, but not surprised. Anyways... This thread is about this particular act/individual, and doesn't need to turn into a flame fest about the merits of the war, wars in general, or to bash nations. See if you can control yourselves. | ||
meegrean
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Perseverance
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wordd
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H.k[D]
United States260 Posts
Really makes you wonder how much Hollywood blows out of proportion the glory of war | ||
Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
On September 18 2011 13:41 SKTerran.117 wrote: This is a couple days old but I didn't see a thread for it and was a little surprised. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/16/us/dakota-meyer-marine-is-awarded-medal-of-honor.html there are other articles all over net about it. Sorry I don't have much to say about it personally, motivated the shit out of me to call my recruiter and stop dragging my feet about enlisting. the story + Show Spoiler + WASHINGTON — President Obama awarded the Medal of Honor on Thursday to a young former Marine who ignored orders to stay put and fought his way five times into an ambush in an Afghan ravine, helping to rescue three dozen comrades and to recover the remains of four dead American servicemen. Enlarge This Image Doug Mills/The New York Times "An American who placed himself in the thick of the fight." That is how President Obama described Dakota Meyer on Thursday in awarding him the Medal of Honor for helping rescue fellow Marines pinned down in battle in Afghanistan. Multimedia Photographs The Lens Blog: A Test, and Gratitude, at the White House Enlarge This Image Joao Silva/The New York Times Dakota Meyer and relatives spoke Thursday with President and Michelle Obama in the Oval Office. He received the Medal of Honor for valor in Afghanistan as a Marine corporal in 2009. Readers’ Comments Readers shared their thoughts on this article. Read All Comments (105) » In a ceremony at the White House, the president draped the medal over Dakota Meyer, describing him as a humble young man who repeatedly placed himself in extraordinary danger to save men he regarded as his brothers. “Today we pay tribute to an American who placed himself in the thick of the fight — again and again and again,” the president said. Mr. Meyer was the first living recipient from the Marine Corps to receive the award, the nation’s highest award for valor, for actions during the wars in Afghanistan or Iraq. “It may be a platform for representation of the guys who are out there fighting every day,” he said in a telephone interview before the award ceremony. “My story is one of millions, and the others aren’t often told.” He added: “You get the medal, and you start going about your life.” Mr. Meyer, 23, now a sergeant in the inactive reserve, was an infantry corporal on Sept. 8, 2009, when an Afghan and American column headed before dawn toward the village of Ganjigal in Kunar Province. The men in column — a mix of Afghan soldiers, border police officers and American trainers — were to meet with local elders. But they had been betrayed and walked into an ambush. Corporal Meyer and another Marine had been assigned to secure a flank, and as Taliban gunfire began and the rest of his team was trapped, he was several hundred yards away. Corporal Meyer listened on the radio as the rest of his Marine training team tried calling for help, and as Capt. Will Swenson of the Army, who worked with the border police and was also trapped, shouted into his radio for artillery support to suppress the Taliban fighters. Officers at the nearby Army headquarters denied the request for artillery support, leaving the men, many of them wounded, to fight on their own until helicopter gunships arrived. (Investigations later suggested the Army officers decided that because the trapped troops were unaware of the precise locations of all of the other troops on the operation, artillery fire might have endangered them and was best withheld.) Corporal Meyer asked permission several times to go into the ravine and to fight. He was told to remain in place, but decided to rush to the village nonetheless. In the course of six hours, survivors said, Corporal Meyer and his driver, Staff Sgt. Juan J. Rodriguez-Chavez, led five fights into the ravine toward Ganjigal. Four times they helped recover wounded men, first Afghans who were pinned down and later Americans similarly trapped. After the corporal freed Captain Swenson, the captain joined him in the fighting while an Army platoon nearby declined to help. On the last trip they recovered the remains of three Marines and a Navy corpsman. By then, according to the Marine Corps’ account of the fight, Corporal Meyer had killed eight Taliban fighters and stood up to several dozen more. (A fifth American later died of wounds suffered in the ravine.) Two years on, the ambush in Ganjigal has been examined, reexamined and presented in many different ways, often as an institutional failure and an example of the limits and dangers of the counterinsurgency theory that was pressed upon the troops by Gen. David H. Petraeus and the Pentagon. The betrayal by the villagers, the confused lines of command, the withheld artillery fire, the inaction of an Army platoon that might have helped the trapped men — have all been documented. In his remarks on Thursday, Mr. Obama did not mention the local treachery or the lapses of officers who might have helped that day. Instead, he dwelled on Mr. Meyer, who is described as a remarkable selfless example of a citizen at his best. “Dakota later confessed,” the president said, of the fighting in Ganjigal, “I didn’t think I was going to die. I knew I was.” Mr. Obama also described Mr. Meyer as conscientious to an almost painstaking degree. When the White House tried to arrange a call to inform Mr. Meyer — who was promoted to sergeant but left active duty for construction work in his home state, Kentucky — that he would be receiving the medal, Mr. Obama said, Mr. Meyer hesitated to get on the phone with the president because he was at work. The call was rescheduled for Mr. Meyer’s lunch break, Mr. Obama said. Mr. Meyer showed little inclination to celebrate receiving the Medal of Honor. His one request to the president while he was in Washington was that the two men have a beer together, which Mr. Obama and Mr. Meyer did on Wednesday evening in a patio near the Rose Garden. More proof that Marines are OP!! Grats to this guy. Wish I could have a beer with Obama. | ||
vol_
Australia1608 Posts
Mr. Meyer showed little inclination to celebrate receiving the Medal of Honor. His one request to the president while he was in Washington was that the two men have a beer together, which Mr. Obama and Mr. Meyer did on Wednesday evening in a patio near the Rose Garden. What a hero! | ||
teamamerica
United States958 Posts
However the other half of the story is the there was no artillery support because it might have hit civilians (as per the LA Times article on it). Suppose there was artillery support, as Cpt. Meyers wanted, and 50 civilians died. How would you all have viewed him then? If the article was instead marine orders artillery support resulting in 50 civilian deaths. I'm not saying most of you would change your opinions and hate him, just something to consider. | ||
Williammm
Australia908 Posts
aye? aye? :D | ||
HwangjaeTerran
Finland5967 Posts
He disobeyed a direct order. Or is it okay to disobey orders if you still kill enough bad guys? Just curious. User was warned for this post | ||
Craze
United States561 Posts
edit: oh, and props to this guy and his driver - truly amazing | ||
ETisME
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afterall, america shouldn't even be there anyway User was warned for this post oh and I am warned. Your "See if you can control yourselves." is more like "please only speak good about this". This is an international website, you should actually learn about how other people can feel about this. I guess you are lucky that there is no Talibans here. Next time if you want whatever type of comment, just state it ahead User was warned for this post | ||
henery
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BloodNinja
United States2791 Posts
On September 18 2011 16:36 henery wrote: This guy is amazing. If we have any American military men in here do you mind telling me what each of his medals represents? I only recognize the medal of honor and the purple heart. Thanks. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakota_Meyer Awards Medal of Honor Purple Heart Medal Navy and Marine Corps Commendation Medal w/ V device Navy and Marine Corps Achievement Medal Combat Action Ribbon Marine Corps Good Conduct Medal National Defense Service Medal Afghanistan Campaign Medal w/ 2 campaign stars Iraq Campaign Medal w/ campaign star Global War On Terrorism Service Medal Sea Service Deployment Ribbon NATO Service Medal (ISAF) Expert marksmanship badge for rifle (3rd award) Expert marksmanship badge for pistol (2nd award) Theres some (maybe all?) of them for you. Someone might be able to fill in the rest. | ||
LuckyMacro
United States1482 Posts
thanks for sharing | ||
TYJ.Aoy
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
He disobeyed a direct command, that's actually a pretty bad thing to do. Given the information at hand, I guess that's the right thing to do though, but even so I imagine the higher officials would have had a reason to issue that command. Then what he did, to me, seems extremely risky. I think it'd be very possible for him to just be shot immediately. I guess he got lucky and had the element of surprise on his side. He did save some of his comrades but in turn killed even more of the opposing soldiers. I guess that's what war is but... Oh and one last thing, it might be a bit troublesome that he received a medal of honor while disregarding direct orders, as that could cause some others to go into the "I know better" way of thinking. You really shouldn't disobey orders as a soldier even if you think you're correct, the whole system hinges on them and disobeying them leads into chaos. The final thing I'd like to add is that for one of these stories there's a thousand sad sories left untold, try rethinking enlisting. | ||
KimJongChill
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weaksauce
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http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/16/in-medal-of-honor-battle-senior-officers-failed/ "But while that day was the pinnacle of Meyer's service in the Marine Corps, it may have been the nadir in the careers of three unidentified U.S. military officers involved in the incident. Instead of medals, those three unidentified officers have received letters of reprimand, almost certainly meaning their careers are over." | ||
Randomaccount#77123
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darkscream
Canada2310 Posts
That guy is really a hero. It's nice to hear a story like this about a returning soldier, because the other stories about returning soldiers are much more negative. And bonus man points for having a beer with Obama. | ||
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