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On July 16 2011 13:52 Vei wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 13:35 Crissaegrim wrote:
IF you were a progamer, and you were serious about it, Korea should be the place to be. This decision makes it seem that Sheth was never that serious about progaming at all. Just a side job.
All the best to you nonetheless. I think it's just anxiety/feeling out of place, homesick, uncomfortable... Korea isn't even necessarily the place to be any more, btw.
It is. It absolutely 100% is. The people that left early for "easy money" have all made a mistake.
People are acting like this is a rare or unamendable problem but tons of professional athletes have dealt with it but you don't hear about it because they stuck it out. Their dedication trumps everything else.
Derek Jeter soon will break Lou Gehrig's Yankee hit record, but it wasn't so long ago that even the perpetually-confident Jeter didn't believe anything like this was possible. Jeter, the Yankee shortstop now known as a great player, a great champion, struggled so much early in the minors he wondered if he had made a mistake choosing professional baseball.
The skinny 18-year-old shortstop who was prone to errors and needed four hits on the final day of his first season to hoist his batting average over .200, called back home to Kalamazoo, Mich., most nights, sometimes in tears. He doubted he belonged, at least once telling a member of the Yankee organization, "I don't think I'm going to make it."
"At one time," recalls Don Zomer, Jeter's coach at Kalamazoo Central High School, "I remember him saying, 'The Yankees wasted a lot of their money.'"
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"There's huge power in the true example of how he got to where he is," Newman says. "It was tough, but he got through it."
On July 16 2011 14:27 fraktoasters wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 13:28 Jeity wrote:
The defense of Sheth based on "unknown personal issues" is frankly, embarrassing. It doesn't matter who the player is or what the field of work is--this kind of conduct is unprofessional, period. In other lines of work people may never get the kind of opportunity Sheth was given no matter how hard they try; yet here it was being offered on a silver platter only to be refused due to ultimately minor personal discomfort. You hear tales about people who start off living in dingy apartments and surviving off of cup ramen, and I can only find this particular tale to be a sad one in light of what others have gone through to pave the way.
The difference here is that in Korea the majority of players pursue Starcraft as a professional sport, while all too many non-Koreans give the impression of simply trying to make money out of a hobby because they believe it to be easier than doing so through a non-gaming job.
Going to Korea or not going is not a problem. While competing in the holy land is indeed the surest way to make a name for yourself in the game, I do believe there are ways that non-Koreans can bring themselves up to the same level with management strategies tailored to their own cultures and circumstances. I can only imagine this has yet to happen because too many players are wasting time whining about what they don't have or justifying their decisions with shabby reasoning.
I'm not personally a fan of players like Naniwa, Thorzain, or qxc--but I do have huge respect for them especially in comparison to their less passionate peers. The image they've built is that of players who want to pursue the game as professionals. When you want something strongly enough it doesn't matter if you have to live in an unfamiliar country with an unfamiliar language and unfamiliar people. Sacrifice is part of the payment.
For me, this type of news does two things: disappoint, and make me question how much some players really want it. I hope that in the future players will make a greater effort in earning the "professional" in "professional gamer"; because until then all they are is a "gamer", and I can do that by sitting at home in front of my computer. SC2 Pro: the only profession where you should be ashamed of spending time with your family. On Sheth's deathbed I'm sure he will say his only regret was not spending more time away from his loved ones. The people who spend a lot of their time with their family in sports generally aren't the people worth interviewing.
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Well I hope this guy isn't watching the GSTL because if he is he should be feeling pretty damn guilty for letting his team down BIG TIME.
We don't know the full story so it's impossible to be over critical but "not for him" is the official reason and frankly that's pathetic, how old is this guy 12?
Sheth is the best player on fxo and with him on the team fxo stood a chance of taking some games but now.... all killed every day.
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On July 16 2011 15:57 Jibba wrote:It is. It absolutely 100% is. The people that left early for "easy money" have all made a mistake.
What the fuck do you base this on?
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The guy's a grown man, he's stood up on page 3 and admitted his decision. I think the people trying to white knight on his behalf are misguided. Its a dick move, we all know its a dick move. He decided to move to Korea and he backed out when he saw it wasn't for him. We all think he should have stuck it out, so does he in admitting the dick move, but he didn't. Thats a shame.
He's still a nice guy I'm sure, this only reflects on one small part of his character (I have plenty of friends that inexplicably change their mind once and a while - so what). He's also still a very good player.
Who cares, move on.
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On July 16 2011 14:21 Sein wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 10:48 JediGamer wrote:
I'm not sure what the stigma is about weight or being fat but I could see some korean youths being treacherous to sheth on the streets. ....Yes, Koreans hate fat people. If you're fat, those treacherous Korean kids will throw tomatoes at you on the street. Haha, come on, that's just stretching things too far. Just look at July and how popular he is.
Being american you may not have ever experienced this, but in some parts of asia people will jeer and laugh quite loudly at fat foreigners. Not just the exceptionally obese ones either.
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On July 17 2011 01:36 Raygun wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 15:57 Jibba wrote:It is. It absolutely 100% is. The people that left early for "easy money" have all made a mistake. What the fuck do you base this on?
Koreans repeatedly roflstomping non-Koreans in the events they've attended.
Idra is the most obvious example. Losing twice to Zenio in NASL, losing to Boxer (who at this point is one of the weaker Korean terrans), etc. etc.
Idra is a worse player now than he was during his Korean stint. I think that's pretty clear. He admits that he doesn't practice enough, and most non-Korean pros complain that they don't practice enough. I've heard Idra say that the Korean practice regime is detrimental...
Which is entirely right. It's detrimental to your chances of losing.
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On July 17 2011 01:36 Raygun wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 15:57 Jibba wrote:It is. It absolutely 100% is. The people that left early for "easy money" have all made a mistake. What the fuck do you base this on?
Probably the fact that the players who train in Korea are clearly the best in the world?
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On July 17 2011 01:36 Raygun wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 15:57 Jibba wrote:It is. It absolutely 100% is. The people that left early for "easy money" have all made a mistake. What the fuck do you base this on?
A) Koreans are way better than anyone else
B) The easy money is negated by Koreans just coming to the US/EU and winning all the major tournaments.
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On July 17 2011 01:49 TheAntZ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 14:21 Sein wrote:On July 16 2011 10:48 JediGamer wrote:
I'm not sure what the stigma is about weight or being fat but I could see some korean youths being treacherous to sheth on the streets. ....Yes, Koreans hate fat people. If you're fat, those treacherous Korean kids will throw tomatoes at you on the street. Haha, come on, that's just stretching things too far. Just look at July and how popular he is. Being american you may not have ever experienced this, but in some parts of asia people will jeer and laugh quite loudly at fat foreigners. Not just the exceptionally obese ones either.
I had lived in Korea for over a decade, and I still have a lot of friends over there as well. Never seen it happen and never heard about anything like that happening either. At least not in Korea.
Of course, fat kids will sometimes be made fun of in elementary school, but doesn't that happen everywhere else?
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On July 11 2011 16:25 Zandar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 16:21 mdb wrote:
Of course its hard to stay with 10 guys in one room the whole day, it was hard for Flash, it was hard for Jaedong, it was hard for Nada, it was hard for Idra, It is hard for Huk and Jinro, but thats the price to pay if you want to be a champion. No love for the quitters. Bullshit. I can 100% understand him, some people just need their privacy more than others.
some people have more dedication than others.
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Most of you have obviously never travelled, lived in a harsh environment and then come home for a week or two.
The pull of home is really difficult to resist. If he came home, he's made the right decision. It is also not oddly enough, as Sheth himself said, a dickish move. You're there to win Starcraft games. If you don't think the experience is going to help you, you don't stay. End of.
Korean pro houses sound like a miserable experience for virtually no pay, in a country you don't know, speaking a language you don't understand.
The people who spend a lot of their time with their family in sports generally aren't the people worth interviewing.
Paul Scholes. He plays at a club less than 3 miles away from where he was born. He plays and practices every single day. He takes his kids to watch Oldham on the weekend. He lives less than 10 miles away from where he was born. He goes home every single day to see his family and shunned the limelight, preferring to spend the evening with his children having a kickabout.
He's also probably the greatest living English midfielder. He retired aged 36, 4 years after most players are crocked. In terms of individual skill level, there is no comparison between what he is to football and a similar pro player in Starcraft. I have yet to see anyone make SC2 an art.
Most really legendary footballers have a stable family life. It's silly to say otherwise.
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if people want to consider sc2 a sport and fxo a team they should kick sheth, this is just sad.
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On July 17 2011 03:33 Evangelist wrote:
Paul Scholes. He plays at a club less than 3 miles away from where he was born. He plays and practices every single day. He takes his kids to watch Oldham on the weekend. He lives less than 10 miles away from where he was born. He goes home every single day to see his family and shunned the limelight, preferring to spend the evening with his children having a kickabout.
He's also probably the greatest living English midfielder. He retired aged 36, 4 years after most players are crocked. In terms of individual skill level, there is no comparison between what he is to football and a similar pro player in Starcraft. I have yet to see anyone make SC2 an art.
Most really legendary footballers have a stable family life. It's silly to say otherwise.
That just the luck of the draw. He was born in an location where the infrastructure is present to compete at the highest level, and that's a unique position to be in. Same thing can't (at least not at the moment) for any place outside of Korea (and more specifically the greater seoul area). It's a lot easier to 'get lucky' in football, because most top clubs still have a regionally based youth training system.
(And the reason tabloids love footballers isn't that they can take pictures of them taking their kids to the movies or whatever, but that's neither here nor there.)
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On July 17 2011 01:36 Raygun wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 15:57 Jibba wrote:It is. It absolutely 100% is. The people that left early for "easy money" have all made a mistake. What the fuck do you base this on?
Top 3 at MLG. Are you living under a rock?
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The insensitivity in this thread is astounding! Sheth is generally known as one of the nicest, most down to earth foreign pro-gamers. The dude streams for charity, and it so supportive of everyone he interacts with. Then he's forced to make probably one of the hardest decisions in his life based on the reasoning that he is NOT HAPPY, and you guys throw him to the wolves.
Why on earth do you have the right to tell someone that they should sacrifice their happiness? Sheth is obviously upset about this and had to make a tough call, respect him for standing up for himself and hopefully making the right choice for himself. Trading happiness for your career is a dangerous path that almost never has a happy ending.
<3 Sheth
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I feel Sheth's reasoning here. As someone who has lived on my own for a while now, I tend to think of my home as my sanctuary. It's a place for me to go to and relax and have some peace, quiet, and privacy at the end of the work day. I would most certainly not be okay with going from this to a situation where I was in an apartment with 10 other guys all day every day for any extended amount of time, regardless of how much I enjoyed the profession. Were I a progamer, the only way I'd do the team thing is if I had my own place nearby and commuted to the team house every day for practice.
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Well, I can agree with Sheth's decision. Staying in close proximity with 10 people is difficult enough. I couldn't take staying in close proximity with 6 other guys for 3 days, it got wearisome.
Hopefully Sheth can continue to do well, and maybe he'll move to the Malaysian house later on.
if people want to consider sc2 a sport and fxo a team they should kick sheth, this is just sad.
That guy is on some other planet. SC2 isn't like other sports where it is necessary to be physically present to practice with the team.
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I still have no problem with Sheths decision at all.
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On July 17 2011 03:33 Evangelist wrote:
Most of you have obviously never travelled, lived in a harsh environment and then come home for a week or two.
The pull of home is really difficult to resist. If he came home, he's made the right decision. It is also not oddly enough, as Sheth himself said, a dickish move. You're there to win Starcraft games. If you don't think the experience is going to help you, you don't stay. End of.
It IS a dick move. Quick dickish in fact. Bailing on your team when you're their captain and ace, and they have virtually no chance without you... Is the definition of a dick move.
Too many of you are forgetting that Sheth had a team that was relying on him. If he was there alone, it'd be different, but all of you saying stuff like "why should Sheth have to sacrifice his happiness" or something like that need to realize that Sheth made a commitment to his team and to his job, and that is why he should have to sacrifice his happiness. Maybe it's just the type of person I am, but if I were in his shoes, I'd stick it out until the end of the GSTL because it would be my job to do so.
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On July 17 2011 05:52 iamahydralisk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2011 03:33 Evangelist wrote:
Most of you have obviously never travelled, lived in a harsh environment and then come home for a week or two.
The pull of home is really difficult to resist. If he came home, he's made the right decision. It is also not oddly enough, as Sheth himself said, a dickish move. You're there to win Starcraft games. If you don't think the experience is going to help you, you don't stay. End of.
It IS a dick move. Quick dickish in fact. Bailing on your team when you're their captain and ace, and they have virtually no chance without you... Is the definition of a dick move. Too many of you are forgetting that Sheth had a team that was relying on him. If he was there alone, it'd be different, but all of you saying stuff like "why should Sheth have to sacrifice his happiness" or something like that need to realize that Sheth made a commitment to his team and to his job, and that is why he should have to sacrifice his happiness. Maybe it's just the type of person I am, but if I were in his shoes, I'd stick it out until the end of the GSTL because it would be my job to do so.
And people like you are neglecting the fact that Sheth is one of the nicest and most manner people in the world. HE SAID HIMSELF, that it was a dick move, but its what he needs.
If anyone is acting like a dick here, it's you. You're making bold statements without fully understanding the situation and...reality check...YOURE NOT SHETH. You can't comment on how he feels, everyone here knows Sheth wouldn't just 'abandon'' FXO without a good reason, and on page 3, and on SOTG, he has made his good reasons clear.
Personally I think this thread should be closed, it's just turning into a flame war, when it doesn't need to be.
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