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The defense of Sheth based on "unknown personal issues" is frankly, embarrassing. It doesn't matter who the player is or what the field of work is--this kind of conduct is unprofessional, period. In other lines of work people may never get the kind of opportunity Sheth was given no matter how hard they try; yet here it was being offered on a silver platter only to be refused due to ultimately minor personal discomfort. You hear tales about people who start off living in dingy apartments and surviving off of cup ramen, and I can only find this particular tale to be a sad one in light of what others have gone through to pave the way.
The difference here is that in Korea the majority of players pursue Starcraft as a professional sport, while all too many non-Koreans give the impression of simply trying to make money out of a hobby because they believe it to be easier than doing so through a non-gaming job.
Going to Korea or not going is not a problem. While competing in the holy land is indeed the surest way to make a name for yourself in the game, I do believe there are ways that non-Koreans can bring themselves up to the same level with management strategies tailored to their own cultures and circumstances. I can only imagine this has yet to happen because too many players are wasting time whining about what they don't have or justifying their decisions with shabby reasoning.
I'm not personally a fan of players like Naniwa, Thorzain, or qxc--but I do have huge respect for them especially in comparison to their less passionate peers. The image they've built is that of players who want to pursue the game as professionals. When you want something strongly enough it doesn't matter if you have to live in an unfamiliar country with an unfamiliar language and unfamiliar people. Sacrifice is part of the payment.
For me, this type of news does two things: disappoint, and make me question how much some players really want it. I hope that in the future players will make a greater effort in earning the "professional" in "professional gamer"; because until then all they are is a "gamer", and I can do that by sitting at home in front of my computer.
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IF you were a progamer, and you were serious about it, Korea should be the place to be. This decision makes it seem that Sheth was never that serious about progaming at all. Just a side job.
All the best to you nonetheless.
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On July 16 2011 13:35 Crissaegrim wrote:
IF you were a progamer, and you were serious about it, Korea should be the place to be. This decision makes it seem that Sheth was never that serious about progaming at all. Just a side job.
All the best to you nonetheless.
I think it's just anxiety/feeling out of place, homesick, uncomfortable... Korea isn't even necessarily the place to be any more, btw.
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It's a shame but as the saying goes, if you can't handle the heat stay out of the kitchen. Looks like Sheth simply couldn't handle the heat. I can see him being a fantastic national player, but nothing more with this kind of mentality. Sorry to see you leave Sheth.
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Will Sheth still remain on FXO? He better have had a good reason for abandoning his teamates...
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On July 16 2011 13:52 Vei wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 13:35 Crissaegrim wrote:
IF you were a progamer, and you were serious about it, Korea should be the place to be. This decision makes it seem that Sheth was never that serious about progaming at all. Just a side job.
All the best to you nonetheless. I think it's just anxiety/feeling out of place, homesick, uncomfortable... Korea isn't even necessarily the place to be any more, btw.
Korea is the place more now than at any point in SC2's release.
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This is disappointing, but I am still glad to hear he will be part of the new productions you guys are having.
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On July 16 2011 13:52 Vei wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 13:35 Crissaegrim wrote:
IF you were a progamer, and you were serious about it, Korea should be the place to be. This decision makes it seem that Sheth was never that serious about progaming at all. Just a side job.
All the best to you nonetheless. I think it's just anxiety/feeling out of place, homesick, uncomfortable... Korea isn't even necessarily the place to be any more, btw.
So being homesick is greater than being a profressional SC2 gamer? That's what Sheth is telling us.
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On July 16 2011 13:28 Jeity wrote:
The defense of Sheth based on "unknown personal issues" is frankly, embarrassing. It doesn't matter who the player is or what the field of work is--this kind of conduct is unprofessional, period. In other lines of work people may never get the kind of opportunity Sheth was given no matter how hard they try; yet here it was being offered on a silver platter only to be refused due to ultimately minor personal discomfort. You hear tales about people who start off living in dingy apartments and surviving off of cup ramen, and I can only find this particular tale to be a sad one in light of what others have gone through to pave the way.
The difference here is that in Korea the majority of players pursue Starcraft as a professional sport, while all too many non-Koreans give the impression of simply trying to make money out of a hobby because they believe it to be easier than doing so through a non-gaming job.
Going to Korea or not going is not a problem. While competing in the holy land is indeed the surest way to make a name for yourself in the game, I do believe there are ways that non-Koreans can bring themselves up to the same level with management strategies tailored to their own cultures and circumstances. I can only imagine this has yet to happen because too many players are wasting time whining about what they don't have or justifying their decisions with shabby reasoning.
I'm not personally a fan of players like Naniwa, Thorzain, or qxc--but I do have huge respect for them especially in comparison to their less passionate peers. The image they've built is that of players who want to pursue the game as professionals. When you want something strongly enough it doesn't matter if you have to live in an unfamiliar country with an unfamiliar language and unfamiliar people. Sacrifice is part of the payment.
For me, this type of news does two things: disappoint, and make me question how much some players really want it. I hope that in the future players will make a greater effort in earning the "professional" in "professional gamer"; because until then all they are is a "gamer", and I can do that by sitting at home in front of my computer.
Wow, so many assumptions while not knowing almost anything about sheth. Damn that's an embarrassing post. He wants to live in Korea under his terms and has never said practicing a lot was an issue. You're a bit overzealous with how much you seem to love to evaluate how "passionate" and "professional" someone is from a very small chain of events.
Making the move to a country half way across the world is always going to be a bigger sacrifice than any Korean player would have to make because they never have to adapt to anything but the practice hours and living conditions. Foreigners have to go much further out of their element, plus there's everyone here drunk with the idea that practicing 10 hours a day in a foreign team house not in Korea just isn't good enough.
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On July 16 2011 10:48 JediGamer wrote:
I'm not sure what the stigma is about weight or being fat but I could see some korean youths being treacherous to sheth on the streets.
....Yes, Koreans hate fat people. If you're fat, those treacherous Korean kids will throw tomatoes at you on the street.
Haha, come on, that's just stretching things too far. Just look at July and how popular he is.
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On July 16 2011 14:18 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 13:28 Jeity wrote:
The defense of Sheth based on "unknown personal issues" is frankly, embarrassing. It doesn't matter who the player is or what the field of work is--this kind of conduct is unprofessional, period. In other lines of work people may never get the kind of opportunity Sheth was given no matter how hard they try; yet here it was being offered on a silver platter only to be refused due to ultimately minor personal discomfort. You hear tales about people who start off living in dingy apartments and surviving off of cup ramen, and I can only find this particular tale to be a sad one in light of what others have gone through to pave the way.
The difference here is that in Korea the majority of players pursue Starcraft as a professional sport, while all too many non-Koreans give the impression of simply trying to make money out of a hobby because they believe it to be easier than doing so through a non-gaming job.
Going to Korea or not going is not a problem. While competing in the holy land is indeed the surest way to make a name for yourself in the game, I do believe there are ways that non-Koreans can bring themselves up to the same level with management strategies tailored to their own cultures and circumstances. I can only imagine this has yet to happen because too many players are wasting time whining about what they don't have or justifying their decisions with shabby reasoning.
I'm not personally a fan of players like Naniwa, Thorzain, or qxc--but I do have huge respect for them especially in comparison to their less passionate peers. The image they've built is that of players who want to pursue the game as professionals. When you want something strongly enough it doesn't matter if you have to live in an unfamiliar country with an unfamiliar language and unfamiliar people. Sacrifice is part of the payment.
For me, this type of news does two things: disappoint, and make me question how much some players really want it. I hope that in the future players will make a greater effort in earning the "professional" in "professional gamer"; because until then all they are is a "gamer", and I can do that by sitting at home in front of my computer. Wow, so many assumptions while not knowing almost anything about sheth. Damn that's an embarrassing post. He wants to live in Korea under his terms and has never said practicing a lot was an issue. You're a bit overzealous with how much you seem to love to evaluate how "passionate" and "professional" someone is from a very small chain of events. Making the move to a country half way across the world is always going to be a bigger sacrifice than any Korean player would have to make because they never have to adapt to anything but the practice hours and living conditions. Foreigners have to go much further out of their element, plus there's everyone here drunk with the idea that practicing 10 hours a day in a foreign team house not in Korea just isn't good enough.
Your response is completely irrelevant to the point I was making--I'm fairly certain I was being clear enough but apparently not.
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On July 16 2011 13:28 Jeity wrote:
The defense of Sheth based on "unknown personal issues" is frankly, embarrassing. It doesn't matter who the player is or what the field of work is--this kind of conduct is unprofessional, period. In other lines of work people may never get the kind of opportunity Sheth was given no matter how hard they try; yet here it was being offered on a silver platter only to be refused due to ultimately minor personal discomfort. You hear tales about people who start off living in dingy apartments and surviving off of cup ramen, and I can only find this particular tale to be a sad one in light of what others have gone through to pave the way.
The difference here is that in Korea the majority of players pursue Starcraft as a professional sport, while all too many non-Koreans give the impression of simply trying to make money out of a hobby because they believe it to be easier than doing so through a non-gaming job.
Going to Korea or not going is not a problem. While competing in the holy land is indeed the surest way to make a name for yourself in the game, I do believe there are ways that non-Koreans can bring themselves up to the same level with management strategies tailored to their own cultures and circumstances. I can only imagine this has yet to happen because too many players are wasting time whining about what they don't have or justifying their decisions with shabby reasoning.
I'm not personally a fan of players like Naniwa, Thorzain, or qxc--but I do have huge respect for them especially in comparison to their less passionate peers. The image they've built is that of players who want to pursue the game as professionals. When you want something strongly enough it doesn't matter if you have to live in an unfamiliar country with an unfamiliar language and unfamiliar people. Sacrifice is part of the payment.
For me, this type of news does two things: disappoint, and make me question how much some players really want it. I hope that in the future players will make a greater effort in earning the "professional" in "professional gamer"; because until then all they are is a "gamer", and I can do that by sitting at home in front of my computer.
SC2 Pro: the only profession where you should be ashamed of spending time with your family. On Sheth's deathbed I'm sure he will say his only regret was not spending more time away from his loved ones.
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On July 16 2011 14:27 fraktoasters wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 13:28 Jeity wrote:
The defense of Sheth based on "unknown personal issues" is frankly, embarrassing. It doesn't matter who the player is or what the field of work is--this kind of conduct is unprofessional, period. In other lines of work people may never get the kind of opportunity Sheth was given no matter how hard they try; yet here it was being offered on a silver platter only to be refused due to ultimately minor personal discomfort. You hear tales about people who start off living in dingy apartments and surviving off of cup ramen, and I can only find this particular tale to be a sad one in light of what others have gone through to pave the way.
The difference here is that in Korea the majority of players pursue Starcraft as a professional sport, while all too many non-Koreans give the impression of simply trying to make money out of a hobby because they believe it to be easier than doing so through a non-gaming job.
Going to Korea or not going is not a problem. While competing in the holy land is indeed the surest way to make a name for yourself in the game, I do believe there are ways that non-Koreans can bring themselves up to the same level with management strategies tailored to their own cultures and circumstances. I can only imagine this has yet to happen because too many players are wasting time whining about what they don't have or justifying their decisions with shabby reasoning.
I'm not personally a fan of players like Naniwa, Thorzain, or qxc--but I do have huge respect for them especially in comparison to their less passionate peers. The image they've built is that of players who want to pursue the game as professionals. When you want something strongly enough it doesn't matter if you have to live in an unfamiliar country with an unfamiliar language and unfamiliar people. Sacrifice is part of the payment.
For me, this type of news does two things: disappoint, and make me question how much some players really want it. I hope that in the future players will make a greater effort in earning the "professional" in "professional gamer"; because until then all they are is a "gamer", and I can do that by sitting at home in front of my computer. SC2 Pro: the only profession where you should be ashamed of spending time with your family. On Sheth's deathbed I'm sure he will say his only regret was not spending more time away from his loved ones.
There's no reason to be ashamed of spending time with your family. There is reason to be ashamed of breaking a commitment because you want to spend time with your family when you knew it was a consequence from the start--I'm quite certain this is not limited to the SC2 profession. Sheth himself admitted in his post on page 3 that this is a "dick move"; but sadly acknowledging the fact does little to make the reality of the matter any better.
I would be extremely displeased with a coworker or friend who made a promise to me knowing what it entailed, only to break it because of said knowledge they already possessed. How do you depend on someone that does that? How does someone run an efficient business with an employee like that?
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Umm I think this is acceptable.
Being in the GOM house gives you no privacy at all.
I'm sure everyone here don't act like your normal self when you are with other people. I guess its hard for Sheth to put up that shield 24/7.
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On July 16 2011 14:38 Jeity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 14:27 fraktoasters wrote:On July 16 2011 13:28 Jeity wrote:
The defense of Sheth based on "unknown personal issues" is frankly, embarrassing. It doesn't matter who the player is or what the field of work is--this kind of conduct is unprofessional, period. In other lines of work people may never get the kind of opportunity Sheth was given no matter how hard they try; yet here it was being offered on a silver platter only to be refused due to ultimately minor personal discomfort. You hear tales about people who start off living in dingy apartments and surviving off of cup ramen, and I can only find this particular tale to be a sad one in light of what others have gone through to pave the way.
The difference here is that in Korea the majority of players pursue Starcraft as a professional sport, while all too many non-Koreans give the impression of simply trying to make money out of a hobby because they believe it to be easier than doing so through a non-gaming job.
Going to Korea or not going is not a problem. While competing in the holy land is indeed the surest way to make a name for yourself in the game, I do believe there are ways that non-Koreans can bring themselves up to the same level with management strategies tailored to their own cultures and circumstances. I can only imagine this has yet to happen because too many players are wasting time whining about what they don't have or justifying their decisions with shabby reasoning.
I'm not personally a fan of players like Naniwa, Thorzain, or qxc--but I do have huge respect for them especially in comparison to their less passionate peers. The image they've built is that of players who want to pursue the game as professionals. When you want something strongly enough it doesn't matter if you have to live in an unfamiliar country with an unfamiliar language and unfamiliar people. Sacrifice is part of the payment.
For me, this type of news does two things: disappoint, and make me question how much some players really want it. I hope that in the future players will make a greater effort in earning the "professional" in "professional gamer"; because until then all they are is a "gamer", and I can do that by sitting at home in front of my computer. SC2 Pro: the only profession where you should be ashamed of spending time with your family. On Sheth's deathbed I'm sure he will say his only regret was not spending more time away from his loved ones. There's no reason to be ashamed of spending time with your family. There is reason to be ashamed of breaking a commitment because you want to spend time with your family when you knew it was a consequence from the start--I'm quite certain this is not limited to the SC2 profession. Sheth himself admitted in his post on page 3 that this is a "dick move"; but sadly acknowledging the fact does little to make the reality of the matter any better. I would be extremely displeased with a coworker or friend who made a promise to me knowing what it entailed, only to break it because of said knowledge they already possessed. How do you depend on someone that does that? How does someone run an efficient business with an employee like that?
He was committed to South Korea for like 4 weeks. He knew from the start that he was going to see his family after the 4 weeks but then he learned later that if he went back for the last week he was going to have to miss out on seeing them when he promised them. Actually he's keeping his promise, its FXO that couldn't get him back to the states after the gstl is over.
Edit: and jesus christ calm down. You're acting like he personally made a promise to you to stay in Korea for another week. He doesn't owe a damn thing to you. You don't know how the agreement was between Sheth and FXO or how it came to be that they're not sending Sheth back to Korea.
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honestly? that's quite the disappointment, I mean, why not stay in Korea and learn and get better? He beat san for christs sake! that's quite a big deal and does he not realize he is still in Code A for beating him? I hope he reconsiders because being in Code A is a pretty big deal and I think he has a great chance to succeed because of his personality.
I'm sure he has his reasons, but I really feel like he could do well over there.
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On July 16 2011 14:18 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 13:28 Jeity wrote:
The defense of Sheth based on "unknown personal issues" is frankly, embarrassing. It doesn't matter who the player is or what the field of work is--this kind of conduct is unprofessional, period. In other lines of work people may never get the kind of opportunity Sheth was given no matter how hard they try; yet here it was being offered on a silver platter only to be refused due to ultimately minor personal discomfort. You hear tales about people who start off living in dingy apartments and surviving off of cup ramen, and I can only find this particular tale to be a sad one in light of what others have gone through to pave the way.
The difference here is that in Korea the majority of players pursue Starcraft as a professional sport, while all too many non-Koreans give the impression of simply trying to make money out of a hobby because they believe it to be easier than doing so through a non-gaming job.
Going to Korea or not going is not a problem. While competing in the holy land is indeed the surest way to make a name for yourself in the game, I do believe there are ways that non-Koreans can bring themselves up to the same level with management strategies tailored to their own cultures and circumstances. I can only imagine this has yet to happen because too many players are wasting time whining about what they don't have or justifying their decisions with shabby reasoning.
I'm not personally a fan of players like Naniwa, Thorzain, or qxc--but I do have huge respect for them especially in comparison to their less passionate peers. The image they've built is that of players who want to pursue the game as professionals. When you want something strongly enough it doesn't matter if you have to live in an unfamiliar country with an unfamiliar language and unfamiliar people. Sacrifice is part of the payment.
For me, this type of news does two things: disappoint, and make me question how much some players really want it. I hope that in the future players will make a greater effort in earning the "professional" in "professional gamer"; because until then all they are is a "gamer", and I can do that by sitting at home in front of my computer. Wow, so many assumptions while not knowing almost anything about sheth. Damn that's an embarrassing post. He wants to live in Korea under his terms and has never said practicing a lot was an issue. You're a bit overzealous with how much you seem to love to evaluate how "passionate" and "professional" someone is from a very small chain of events. Making the move to a country half way across the world is always going to be a bigger sacrifice than any Korean player would have to make because they never have to adapt to anything but the practice hours and living conditions. Foreigners have to go much further out of their element, plus there's everyone here drunk with the idea that practicing 10 hours a day in a foreign team house not in Korea just isn't good enough.
Quite frankly, if you want to be the absolute best, then it's completely true that practicing 10 hours in a foreigner house not in Korea isn't good enough. The fact that only Koreans and those with Korean training have won major LANs lately is evidence enough that the Korean way of training is the best and nothing else is good enough IF you want to be the best you can be.
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its one thing to get homesick and not wanting to spend a year in korea but going home after like 2 weeks? ive spent more time than that in soccer camp 
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On July 16 2011 15:02 fraktoasters wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 14:38 Jeity wrote:On July 16 2011 14:27 fraktoasters wrote:On July 16 2011 13:28 Jeity wrote:
The defense of Sheth based on "unknown personal issues" is frankly, embarrassing. It doesn't matter who the player is or what the field of work is--this kind of conduct is unprofessional, period. In other lines of work people may never get the kind of opportunity Sheth was given no matter how hard they try; yet here it was being offered on a silver platter only to be refused due to ultimately minor personal discomfort. You hear tales about people who start off living in dingy apartments and surviving off of cup ramen, and I can only find this particular tale to be a sad one in light of what others have gone through to pave the way.
The difference here is that in Korea the majority of players pursue Starcraft as a professional sport, while all too many non-Koreans give the impression of simply trying to make money out of a hobby because they believe it to be easier than doing so through a non-gaming job.
Going to Korea or not going is not a problem. While competing in the holy land is indeed the surest way to make a name for yourself in the game, I do believe there are ways that non-Koreans can bring themselves up to the same level with management strategies tailored to their own cultures and circumstances. I can only imagine this has yet to happen because too many players are wasting time whining about what they don't have or justifying their decisions with shabby reasoning.
I'm not personally a fan of players like Naniwa, Thorzain, or qxc--but I do have huge respect for them especially in comparison to their less passionate peers. The image they've built is that of players who want to pursue the game as professionals. When you want something strongly enough it doesn't matter if you have to live in an unfamiliar country with an unfamiliar language and unfamiliar people. Sacrifice is part of the payment.
For me, this type of news does two things: disappoint, and make me question how much some players really want it. I hope that in the future players will make a greater effort in earning the "professional" in "professional gamer"; because until then all they are is a "gamer", and I can do that by sitting at home in front of my computer. SC2 Pro: the only profession where you should be ashamed of spending time with your family. On Sheth's deathbed I'm sure he will say his only regret was not spending more time away from his loved ones. There's no reason to be ashamed of spending time with your family. There is reason to be ashamed of breaking a commitment because you want to spend time with your family when you knew it was a consequence from the start--I'm quite certain this is not limited to the SC2 profession. Sheth himself admitted in his post on page 3 that this is a "dick move"; but sadly acknowledging the fact does little to make the reality of the matter any better. I would be extremely displeased with a coworker or friend who made a promise to me knowing what it entailed, only to break it because of said knowledge they already possessed. How do you depend on someone that does that? How does someone run an efficient business with an employee like that? He was committed to South Korea for like 4 weeks. He knew from the start that he was going to see his family after the 4 weeks but then he learned later that if he went back for the last week he was going to have to miss out on seeing them when he promised them. Actually he's keeping his promise, its FXO that couldn't get him back to the states after the gstl is over. Edit: and jesus christ calm down. You're acting like he personally made a promise to you to stay in Korea for another week. He doesn't owe a damn thing to you. You don't know how the agreement was between Sheth and FXO or how it came to be that they're not sending Sheth back to Korea.
Haha, calm down? People are really only reading what they want to read--apparently my words are being interpreted as a fit of rage and vengeance directed towards Sheth. I never followed Sheth as a player so I don't have some delusion that he owes me anything. My opinion of the matter is based off the information that is available concerning the situation irregardless of the actors--I'm not making an assumption that there was or was not a more comprehensive agreement at hand because neither Sheth nor FXO has stated it as such.
As for scheduling mistakes and changes, failure in that regard should be attributed to both parties involved. In such a case, there still remains a choice to either continue supporting the people depending on you, or the other more selfish decision of returning to the comforts of home. I'm sure it's obvious at this point which choice I approve of.
That being said, I'm done commenting on the matter since all I'm getting are heated responses under the perception that I'm denouncing Sheth. In actuality, I'm simply viewing this case in comparison to any other business profession, considering the growth of esports as a legitimate profession is currently a much-talked about issue in the west.
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