EPTSheth not returning to Korea from NASL - Page 40
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fishjie
United States1519 Posts
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
On July 13 2011 05:09 Naniwa wrote: i dont understand why nobody wants to stay in korea.. doesnt anyone have ambitions  Naniwa is my new hero. Jinro and Huk have ambitions. <3 | ||
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iamke55
United States2806 Posts
This! IMO if foreigners aren't willing to make the sacrifices it takes to compete with the Koreans, neither the foreigners themselves nor their fans have any right to complain about Koreans coming and winning all of our tournaments. | ||
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
On July 13 2011 05:24 ch33psh33p wrote: Naniwa is my new hero. Jinro and Huk have ambitions. <3 They have ambitions to make money, at the cost of sucking. Actually with koreans coming over, they can say goodbye to their monetary ambitions as well. When you work hard, you get rewarded. You'll never succeed if you take the easy way out of life. Now koreans will forever be better AND richer. gg foreigners. | ||
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r_con
United States824 Posts
On July 13 2011 05:26 rysecake wrote: They have ambitions to make money, at the cost of sucking. Actually with koreans coming over, they can say goodbye to their monetary ambitions as well. When you work hard, you get rewarded. You'll never succeed if you take the easy way out of life. Now koreans will forever be better AND richer. gg foreigners. I don't understand why a lot of the progamers don't understand this. If they let this trend continue, eventually Koreans are just gonna get better and better exponentially while we are still lagging behind. They are in damn near the perfect environment for getting better, and we think that the way we practice is gonna keep up? step your games up if you want to keep food coming in. You are competing for your jobs validity | ||
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Trowa127
United Kingdom1230 Posts
On July 13 2011 05:26 rysecake wrote: They have ambitions to make money, at the cost of sucking. Actually with koreans coming over, they can say goodbye to their monetary ambitions as well. When you work hard, you get rewarded. You'll never succeed if you take the easy way out of life. Now koreans will forever be better AND richer. gg foreigners. Pretty much this. I'm not going to BM Sheth - he can whatever the hell he wants, its his life, but I don't understand the mind set a lot of the Western pro-gamers seem to have. At the end of the day its your job, and unlike other professions there isn't much middle ground for being 'ok but not great.' You either work your ass off or do something else if you want to make a living. I also can't imagine it being profitable at all for FXO to pay for flights etc for gamers (pure speculation here), so it seems even crazier that you'd tell your team and sponsors you were going home. | ||
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dala
Sweden477 Posts
On July 13 2011 05:25 iamke55 wrote: This! IMO if foreigners aren't willing to make the sacrifices it takes to compete with the Koreans, neither the foreigners themselves nor their fans have any right to complain about Koreans coming and winning all of our tournaments. I totally agree with imke55. From what I have heard, more and more BW players will soon transition over to SC2 when their contracts finishes or when KESPA starts organize SC2 tournaments. When that day comes, it will be near impossible to win anything unless you are in Korea and practice with the best. | ||
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ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
On July 13 2011 06:13 dala wrote: I totally agree with imke55. From what I have heard, more and more BW players will soon transition over to SC2 when their contracts finishes or when KESPA starts organize SC2 tournaments. When that day comes, it will be near impossible to win anything unless you are in Korea and practice with the best. I have no doubt the foreigner scene could create a similar atmosphere if they would just take it seriously. I'm not sure what the regiment is in the (few) team houses we have, but I'm positive it isn't as hardcore as the Korean houses. In case people have forgotten, Koreans are not genetically better at Starcraft. They are, however, culturally better at applying themselves. As other people in this thread have mentioned, if the foreign pros aren't willing to put in the time and effort (not just Sheth) the gap will keep widening, and nothing will stop Koreans from flying all over the world to compete with other Koreans in foreign tournaments. | ||
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
On July 13 2011 05:09 Naniwa wrote: i dont understand why nobody wants to stay in korea.. doesnt anyone have ambitions As always, Nani speaks the truth  | ||
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algorithm0r
Canada486 Posts
I have been living in Mexico City for 5 months (originally from Canada) and I can completely understand the difficulty of being away from friends/family/gf etc... I never had the opportunity to return home after 2 weeks, but I can say that at that point you are feeling the loneliness the MOST. I did get the opportunity to return after 6 months (instead of 1 year) and I leaped at the opportunity. Living away from family/friends can be really hard for some people, and judging from Sheth's personality I can completely understand how hard it would be for him. Further, everyone in this thread who thinks playing in Korea is the only way to be good at SC2 you have no idea. Sure a lot of Koreans have won a lot of things, but they had a head start. Every NA or EU player that has come out of obscurity to be a SC2 pro has done it BY THEMSELVES in their own homes. Korea is not the end all of SC2 and very soon these opinions will be shown to be foolish. NA and EU will figure out ways to be just as good as Koreans, but it will take time. @Sheth: I hope you haven't read this bilge, but if you are reading I completely understand and support your decision. I'm sure it was really hard for you to make that decision but I expect it was the right one for you. Keep on keepin' on bro! | ||
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steamrice
435 Posts
On July 13 2011 06:40 algorithm0r wrote: Further, everyone in this thread who thinks playing in Korea is the only way to be good at SC2 you have no idea. Sure a lot of Koreans have won a lot of things, but they had a head start. Every NA or EU player that has come out of obscurity to be a SC2 pro has done it BY THEMSELVES in their own homes. Korea is not the end all of SC2 and very soon these opinions will be shown to be foolish. NA and EU will figure out ways to be just as good as Koreans, but it will take time. How about the fact that recent tournaments have shown that a few select koreans sent overseas have practically dominated eu/na tournaments. And those that are sent aren't GSL champs but rather ones showing potential. And Huk is showing results, like BIG results. | ||
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D_K_night
Canada615 Posts
This is weird but let's think about IdrA. He's been in Korea for several years...and became the person we know today. That shows persistence, professionalism, willingness to work in an environment which didn't favor him, forced him to learn Korean, learn foreign things which were surely harsh on him. But if there's yet another thing that we should learn from IdrA, that's this: When something isn't going your way, don't waste time. Get out quickly and move on. And that's what Sheth did. So really - while you guys are saying this and that about Sheth, always remember the IdrA lesson. I for one, Thank IdrA. | ||
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ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
On July 13 2011 06:40 algorithm0r wrote: I sure hope Sheth doesn't read anything in this thread as it is mostly uncalled for criticism by a bunch of idiots who have no perspective on Sheth's life or the decisions he makes. From what I can tell he didn't want to go to Korea in the first place. I doubt when he signed with FXO or accepted the captaincy it was in his contract that he had to go to Korea. I have been living in Mexico City for 5 months (originally from Canada) and I can completely understand the difficulty of being away from friends/family/gf etc... I never had the opportunity to return home after 2 weeks, but I can say that at that point you are feeling the loneliness the MOST. I did get the opportunity to return after 6 months (instead of 1 year) and I leaped at the opportunity. Living away from family/friends can be really hard for some people, and judging from Sheth's personality I can completely understand how hard it would be for him. Further, everyone in this thread who thinks playing in Korea is the only way to be good at SC2 you have no idea. Sure a lot of Koreans have won a lot of things, but they had a head start. Every NA or EU player that has come out of obscurity to be a SC2 pro has done it BY THEMSELVES in their own homes. Korea is not the end all of SC2 and very soon these opinions will be shown to be foolish. NA and EU will figure out ways to be just as good as Koreans, but it will take time. @Sheth: I hope you haven't read this bilge, but if you are reading I completely understand and support your decision. I'm sure it was really hard for you to make that decision but I expect it was the right one for you. Keep on keepin' on bro! I agree with you in that Sheth needs to do what is best for him, but it's true that foreign pros in general don't seem to have the drive to improve and succeed that Korean players do. And I disagree about your last point. How did Koreans get a head start? If anything, the foreign scene dug into SC2 more hungrily because they saw it as their chance for a fresh start, because the skill gap in BW was so wide. As for a head start, foreigners had the same opportunities to create team houses and training programs that Koreans did. Yes, over time NA and EU players will figure out ways to be just as good as Koreans, but by that time, Koreans will be even better. "Catching up" to them implies that somehow the foreign scene is working harder and faster, because there is already a skill gap. It has everything to do with the atmosphere that so many pros seem to dislike, but you can't say that it doesn't have positive results on their play. There is a lot of money at stake in major foreign tournaments. Koreans are training like they want it, foreigners are training like they deserve it. | ||
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QTIP.
United States2113 Posts
On July 13 2011 06:40 algorithm0r wrote: I sure hope Sheth doesn't read anything in this thread as it is mostly uncalled for criticism by a bunch of idiots who have no perspective on Sheth's life or the decisions he makes. From what I can tell he didn't want to go to Korea in the first place. I doubt when he signed with FXO or accepted the captaincy it was in his contract that he had to go to Korea. I have been living in Mexico City for 5 months (originally from Canada) and I can completely understand the difficulty of being away from friends/family/gf etc... I never had the opportunity to return home after 2 weeks, but I can say that at that point you are feeling the loneliness the MOST. I did get the opportunity to return after 6 months (instead of 1 year) and I leaped at the opportunity. Living away from family/friends can be really hard for some people, and judging from Sheth's personality I can completely understand how hard it would be for him. Further, everyone in this thread who thinks playing in Korea is the only way to be good at SC2 you have no idea. Sure a lot of Koreans have won a lot of things, but they had a head start. Every NA or EU player that has come out of obscurity to be a SC2 pro has done it BY THEMSELVES in their own homes. Korea is not the end all of SC2 and very soon these opinions will be shown to be foolish. NA and EU will figure out ways to be just as good as Koreans, but it will take time. @Sheth: I hope you haven't read this bilge, but if you are reading I completely understand and support your decision. I'm sure it was really hard for you to make that decision but I expect it was the right one for you. Keep on keepin' on bro! Actually, you have no idea. Do you know how much the koreans practice? Do you know what kind of environment they live in? Do you know why they don't stream? Have you heard about a progaming team's internal ranking system? If you know any of these things, try to compare it to progamers who are busy streaming and offering coaching lessons, and try to find out who's probably going to be the become the better player. Also, you mention "its gonna take some time." Time happens to be what the foreigners are running out of. The gap is already increasing and will only continue to get bigger at this rate. Don't be so ignorant. | ||
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LlamaNamedOsama
United States1900 Posts
A post I saw on page 30 or something sums this up for me perfectly: "damn why do you disappoint me, Sheth?" <-- fan self-centeredness. First, an actual fan would understand Sheth's view - sure, they can be personally sad that Sheth won't play in Korea, but to say that Sheth disappointed THEM implies that Sheth is some sort of servant of their wants, which is obviously ridiculous. The second issue is the sheer commitment overload. Yes, everybody wants to win. But having done my share of competitive events, I can tell you that while everyone wants to win, there comes a certain point where what it takes to win comes at a high price and even does not guarantee its own victories. Going to Korea does not guarantee that you will then dominate, Huk and Jinro have become heroes for their breakthroughs, but even Jinro has hit a slump, and the other TL players have left without that big of a splash. At this point, it becomes a huge personal cost (sacrificing your free-living lifestyle, being with family, etc.) for an uncertain gain. Now, this is not to disparage the efforts of those going to Korea. I also can easily recognize the merits of those who have that ambition, that drive - I admire it, because that IS a key factor in success in whatever form they may strive to achieve. I'm still rooting for Jinro to keep powering it strong and return to his glory. What I am saying, though, is that this decision is a personal one based on how each person can weigh the costs of dedication and their efforts and ambitions in striving for success. Only that individual person can know when that price becomes too high for himself and hurts his overall ambitions. That said, glhf to Sheth and to all who are going to Korea, I sincerely hope you reach whatever goals and dreams you pursue. | ||
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W2
United States1177 Posts
On July 13 2011 06:40 algorithm0r wrote: I sure hope Sheth doesn't read anything in this thread as it is mostly uncalled for criticism by a bunch of idiots who have no perspective on Sheth's life or the decisions he makes. From what I can tell he didn't want to go to Korea in the first place. I doubt when he signed with FXO or accepted the captaincy it was in his contract that he had to go to Korea. I have been living in Mexico City for 5 months (originally from Canada) and I can completely understand the difficulty of being away from friends/family/gf etc... I never had the opportunity to return home after 2 weeks, but I can say that at that point you are feeling the loneliness the MOST. I did get the opportunity to return after 6 months (instead of 1 year) and I leaped at the opportunity. Living away from family/friends can be really hard for some people, and judging from Sheth's personality I can completely understand how hard it would be for him. Further, everyone in this thread who thinks playing in Korea is the only way to be good at SC2 you have no idea. Sure a lot of Koreans have won a lot of things, but they had a head start. Every NA or EU player that has come out of obscurity to be a SC2 pro has done it BY THEMSELVES in their own homes. Korea is not the end all of SC2 and very soon these opinions will be shown to be foolish. NA and EU will figure out ways to be just as good as Koreans, but it will take time. @Sheth: I hope you haven't read this bilge, but if you are reading I completely understand and support your decision. I'm sure it was really hard for you to make that decision but I expect it was the right one for you. Keep on keepin' on bro! I would have a little faith in this post if it was made maybe 8 months ago, when GSL was filled with bad players and bad games. However since then, there's no basis for "NA/EU will soon be better than Koreans". Koreans are absolutely better and the skill gap has only widened over the months. Also I don't know why you went off on that tangent. Nobody is disappointed in Sheth for skipping on Korean training. It's not like he was the next HuK or anything. People were disappointed that FXO was being abandoned by their captain mid-season. | ||
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UndoneJin
United States438 Posts
However, I think Sheth needs to ask himself if he wants to be a progamer who makes money and is respected by his peers/teammates. Additionally if he does want to pursue a real progaming career, he needs to decide if he is capable of making the sacrifices necessary to reach that goal. | ||
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Zax19
Czech Republic1136 Posts
On July 13 2011 05:06 JustPassingBy wrote: I wonder, if Korea failed that hard, how will he be able to stay in the team house in malaysia? Well, there is a big difference between a flat full of smelly nerds and a big villa with housemaids and a swimming pool . So as far as privacy goes I feel like the team house "should" be acceptable for him.Then again, it's up to FXO and Sheth, about his obligations or lack of thereof. EDIT: Damn, we've actually been annoying his family, people really should calm down . | ||
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Phantom09
United States73 Posts
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Aeruru
United States22 Posts
Take a Korean team. Everyone in the house is Korean and share a similar background. It's easy to share food, everyone has a good understanding of everyone elses customs. In a foreign team, people come from different countries with different cultural and religious backgrounds, different food preferences, different cleanliness standards, etc... I think the "living on your own with team house as the workplace" model that Sheth mentions is more ideal for a foreign team. | ||
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