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I want Sheth to be playing wherever he is most comfortable, where we can get to see the best play out of him. He's an amazing player, and maybe Korea just wasn't for him. With the rapid growth we've seen in the West, maybe Korea wont HAVE to be for him either. All I know is I want to see more games from Sheth, I don't care what country he's in when he plays them.
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Supportin' you in whatever you want Sheth! Arguably one of the best foreigner Zergs, undisputably the most manner. ^_^
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On July 12 2011 06:40 Odious_Repeater wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2011 06:29 fourColo wrote:
When it comes to tournament earnings Jinro has made about 12 times as much as Sheth has. Why would you rather be Sheth than Jinro? Jinro also gets to practice with the best in the world, Sheth does not.
TLO and Ret have made considerably more than Sheth according to the SC2 earnings site as well. Sheth could have easily beat them, he has the potential. And for every Sheth there's probably several dozen Koreans just as good as him that struggle and fail to qualify for Code A every season.
GSL isn't the only tournament but Korea has the highest concentration of talent, there's really no argument to be made about it. I missed reiterating the perhaps most important bit of my argument - that if Sheth would have been over in Korea and stayed unhappy, he is more likely than not to have posted any results that were even half decent. Depressed people generally don't perform. Do you think he'd have made it to Code S, where the real dough is? Jinro's earnings are impressive - but he has two semis back-to-back. I'm curious to see what happens on a long enough timeline; how much has Jinro made since dropping down to code A? Yes, TLO and Ret have made consideraby more than Ret. How much of that was made while they were in Korea? How much did Ret win at Assembly compared to his earnings in the GSL? I've already admitted to not knowing the fullness of the maths, but tournament earnings are hardly the entirety of a player's income, correct?
You seem to miss the whole point of staying in Korea. You go there to become the best you can be, not necessarily win GSL. But then you can come back to EU/NA and own local competition. This is exactly what Ret/TLO did. This is what Idra did and still does (if there wasn't so many Koreans he would win many more)
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On July 12 2011 17:01 starcraft2rush wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2011 15:38 Mohdoo wrote:On July 12 2011 07:19 Shockk wrote:On July 12 2011 07:16 Mohdoo wrote:
I think people need to consider the fact that Sheth is probably just really weird in terms of how easily he gets homesick. He obviously dedicates a huge portion of his life to SC2, but he can't control how emotional he naturally is.
I don't really see this any differently than an anxiety disorder. He gets mega, mega, mega homesick. If he didn't, he'd stay. I feel bad for the guy, but I don't look down on him. Its really unfortunate that he is socially vulnerable in this way.
I'm sure that if he was able to control his feelings of loneliness and likely depression he experiences from being away from home, he would.
I mean, if he could barely even make it this far, you gotta feel sorry for the guy. It is extremely embarrassing for him to have to tell everyone "Sorry, I got too homesick" to thousands of fans who supported him. I'm sure he'd avoid it in any way possible if he could. You're making it look like a serious mental issue when in reality it's a development that would arise for a large part of people (if not the majority) placed in such a situation. Please don't dramatize that much. You're not thinking about this logically. SC2 is Sheth's job. He is dedicating a portion of his life to it that he could otherwise be doing a variety of other things. No one is going to decide to just needlessly throw away a few years of their life doing something half assed. Do you know anyone who would choose to just waste away years of their life? Sheth knows that there is amazing training opportunity in Korea. He knows how beneficial it could be to what he has chosen to spend his time doing. If he had it in him to stay in Korea, it would be absolutely fucking stupid not to. Sheth doesn't seem like a stupid guy. You gotta realize that there really are people out there who get homesick like this or have other socially dysfunctional problems. I just can't imagine Sheth is like "Well, sure, I could be really good and accomplish a lot. But on the other hand, its cool to see my mom sometimes and chilling with my homies is fun too. I think I will blow this gigantic opportunity so that I can have dinner with my mom". I just can't see that. There is more to it than that. It might not be the way you are, but Sheth is very likely someone who struggles way, way, way more with homesickness than most people. My girlfriend, for example, is someone who I simply could not see doing something like this. Moving away from her family was really tough on her, and it was only by living with me that it was remotely possible. And this was moving 1.5 hours away to go to college. Her moving to Korea, away from me and her family would be downright impossible, no matter the motivation or purpose. She simply could *not* ever do it. Because of that, it seems totally possible that Sheth could be the same way. Why couldn't he be? If he's anything like my girlfriend, it has nothing to do with respecting FXO or being dedicated or anything like that. Some people just *can't*. Trolling of this level is ruining e-sports.
How is it trolling to mention that I am very close to someone who I know would respond the exact same way to moving away from home to another country? My point is that there are plenty of people out there who, no matter how hard they tried, would not be able to comfortably adapt to such a drastic change. And since we know that such people exist, and we are not psychologists who have Sheth as a patient, we can not comment on who Sheth is mentally. We cannot properly judge his mental state, and thus, it is useless to assume he is just a lazy guy. Being super good at SC2 doesn't mean you're super good at everything else :p
I know that it is hard for some people to imagine being like that. Its hard for me to understand how my girlfriend is the way that she is. But I have been around her for so long, that I at least understand how valid and real the issue is. And since I have seen it in one case, it would make no sense for me to say this could not be the case for Sheth, as there is nothing about Sheth that makes it impossible.
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Awwww  Sheth good luck in future endeavors!!!
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he probably didnt like the korean food.
On a serious note, beast player, but just because he leaves korea doesnt mean you can anywhere near count him out. He got as good as he is in NA, not korea after all.
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dumb.
obviously he can do what he wants to but he is seriously handicapping himself by not spending time in Korea.
staying and practicing in korea for even just 6 months would benefit his career greatly. i'm disappointed that he can't man up enough to stick it out for the quality practice--even if he hates everything else about living there.
not only that, but he was one of the only players who showed immediate promise on FXO. so despite what his teammates say, i'm sure he is letting them down.
overall this is a very poor choice that shows a serious lack of character.
good luck tho--have fun trying to become the best player you can be while practicing in the worst main region.
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Sheth is easely the best player of FXO so its sad that he has to leavy there but I completely understand him and support hes desicion. The living environment with lot of people in same place, no privacy, no-one other people or services does speak english. He also mentioned that theres no mcdonald and same kinda fastfood places like in europe or us so he doesnt feel good there. You feeling good is after all the most important thing in life.
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On July 13 2011 02:38 SovSov wrote:
dumb.
obviously he can do what he wants to but he is seriously handicapping himself by not spending time in Korea.
staying and practicing in korea for even just 6 months would benefit his career greatly. i'm disappointed that he can't man up enough to stick it out for the quality practice--even if he hates everything else about living there.
not only that, but he was one of the only players who showed immediate promise on FXO. so despite what his teammates say, i'm sure he is letting them down.
overall this is a very poor choice that shows a serious lack of character.
good luck tho--have fun trying to become the best player you can be while practicing in the worst main region.
People like you disgust me. He knows that the best place to train is Korea you have to be a fucking moron to not realize that there is more to this than "he doesn't like it". Making stupid statements like "he can't even man up enough to stick it out" your incredibly insensitive towards his situation. He's trying to be the best he can and douche bags like you saying he has a "lack of character" don't help. How about you have some kind of consideration for what he has gone through which has obviously been a very uncomfortable time for him, otherwise he wouldn't be leaving, and have some fucking respect. It's pathetic. Manner the fuck up.
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On July 12 2011 19:11 Jonesin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 16:09 Sheth wrote:
Hey there TL. I wanted to be the first one to explain this, but I guess Josh beat me to it.
Last time for Code A I didn't explain everything to the community and problems occurred, so this time I will! (Mostly =D )
I have thoroughly enjoyed my time in KR in the GOM foreigner house playing in both Code A and GSTL. I have had a great time with GSL and all of the wonderful people in Kor. Besides my team I've had the experience to be able to hang out with Tastlesss, Artosis and Torch. There are others of course, but hanging out with those three was a great time.
However there were things I was unaware of going into Korea. Several things that have kept me from staying for another Code A at this time and from even going back after NASL. First off I was hoping to have been able to learn Korean better, I bought Rosetta stone even, however in the GOM house there are no CD drives. Thus I couldn't do that and thus I was unable to go do things I had planned on. (I could have read a book on it, or went out of my way in my free time to do this, I just bring this up as something that was disapointing.)
Secondly I was expecting to stay here for a month (through all of GSTL) and then go home. However it turned out that there were no flights available from the team for me go go back after GSTL. I don't know how this happened (something to do with buying flights in bulk), but either way I wouldn't have been able to go home after GSTL to see my family for a week before MLG. This was something I had greatly looked forward to while in Korea. Having to stay away for another 2 weeks or so might not seem a big deal, and it wouldn't be for a lot of people however it was for me. I miss my family and friends quite a lot.
Thirdly just quite brutally honestly I'm not fit for staying with 10 other guys in a small area constantly for a month mixed in with random 12 hours flights back to America for things such as NASL and then MLG. Its just not something I enjoy at all and I would have put up with it were I able to at least visit home to recharge after GSTL.
I realize if anyone is to blame here its me, for not being able to stay in the team house like I had said I would for a whole month. I'm very very sad to have left my team in Korea to finish GSTL without me. This is a dick move. I get it. However try and put yourself in my shoes, that's the only defense I can offer. I will miss my team and the training quite a bit. I can go into plenty of excuses, but the main point is I'm leaving the GOM foreigner house to go home where I can have some privacy, stream more and be all around more relaxed. Those who saw me at NASL can tell I was stressed and tired, hopefully being at home for a while will fix that.
I will miss you in Korea team and if in the future I can find a way to live on my own in Korea and go to "work" at the GOM house for the day I'm sure I will try my best to do this. However for now I'm heading home to prepare for MLG in my own way. Hopefully you at TL the reader can respect this and if not I understand. I still have much love for FXO and ofc TL. <3 Sheth
I respect your decision Sheth. I have been asia as well, and it was a culture shock for me! But the biggest difference was that I did not have to share rooms wtih 10 other guys! The only problem i have is that your the team captain and although you admit that leaving the team is a dick move, I feel as if the captain should never bail out. In my opinion a captain of team is a vital role, and it is a privelege that the rest of your teammates votes you as their captain. On another note, everyone has personal issues. It is not fair to judge others just becuase his/her problems are different from your own. I hope you had fun in Korea, and good luck on MLG!!! I know we will see u in Korea in the future Sheth!
Wow terrible team captain, just terrible. I have no more respect for sheth and here's a couple reason why.
FIrst of all no cd drives? LOL rofl are you serious that a f#$^ing joke haha. That was the funniest excuse I have ever heard in my life. So ridiculous and if you didn't want to stay don't make up bs excuses.
Secondly be in a house with 12 ppl? Dude you signed in and knew that was the way it was going to work? Like seriously your going to say you didn't know there was going to be this much people there in a training house to train? Just plan ridiculous
3rd at what I am most disgusted at is that your a team captain and you abondoned your team. You make me sick.
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Well either way the Koreans are coming out of the gsl and turning up to foreign events. If foreigners like sheth don't step up then the growth of exports might stagnate.
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On July 13 2011 02:48 Zedex wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 02:38 SovSov wrote:
dumb.
obviously he can do what he wants to but he is seriously handicapping himself by not spending time in Korea.
staying and practicing in korea for even just 6 months would benefit his career greatly. i'm disappointed that he can't man up enough to stick it out for the quality practice--even if he hates everything else about living there.
not only that, but he was one of the only players who showed immediate promise on FXO. so despite what his teammates say, i'm sure he is letting them down.
overall this is a very poor choice that shows a serious lack of character.
good luck tho--have fun trying to become the best player you can be while practicing in the worst main region. People like you disgust me. He knows that the best place to train is Korea you have to be a fucking moron to not realize that there is more to this than "he doesn't like it". Making stupid statements like "he can't even man up enough to stick it out" your incredibly insensitive towards his situation. He's trying to be the best he can and douche bags like you saying he has a "lack of character" don't help. How about you have some kind of consideration for what he has gone through which has obviously been a very uncomfortable time for him, otherwise he wouldn't be leaving, and have some fucking respect. It's pathetic. Manner the fuck up.
Owned.
xD
No, get out.
This is like a kid studying business in college dropping out.. just to go start his own business without a degree. He claims college just "wasn't for him" and that starting his own business without going through college is a much better decision because it's what he is comfortable with. Would you seriously sit there and tell that kid he is doing the right thing?
Just read his post.. the reasons are pathetic. It really does come down to him not being man enough to stick it out for the improvement of himself and his team. Put your fanboyism aside and open your eyes.
How are people suppose to take these players seriously when they can't even take themselves seriously?
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Boss will you fly me to Korea? I'm not very good at Starcraft but I'll be your new team captain and I won't get sad and leave after two weeks because I'm homesick. Many other people, almost all who are certainly better than me at Sc2, would say the exact same thing that I just did. Sheth abandoned the team and I lost a lot of respect for him. If you're not going to do what you agreed to do, get out and get another profession. I heard nothing is hiring. Have fun with that.
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The team captain abandons his entire team because he's homesick? This must be a joke or I'm missing something, because if this is all there is to it it shows a severe lack of character. I mean it hasn't even been 2 months has it?
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That's not very fair to FXO he should at least stay in Korea until the season is over.
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On July 13 2011 03:10 SovSov wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 02:48 Zedex wrote:On July 13 2011 02:38 SovSov wrote:
dumb.
obviously he can do what he wants to but he is seriously handicapping himself by not spending time in Korea.
staying and practicing in korea for even just 6 months would benefit his career greatly. i'm disappointed that he can't man up enough to stick it out for the quality practice--even if he hates everything else about living there.
not only that, but he was one of the only players who showed immediate promise on FXO. so despite what his teammates say, i'm sure he is letting them down.
overall this is a very poor choice that shows a serious lack of character.
good luck tho--have fun trying to become the best player you can be while practicing in the worst main region. People like you disgust me. He knows that the best place to train is Korea you have to be a fucking moron to not realize that there is more to this than "he doesn't like it". Making stupid statements like "he can't even man up enough to stick it out" your incredibly insensitive towards his situation. He's trying to be the best he can and douche bags like you saying he has a "lack of character" don't help. How about you have some kind of consideration for what he has gone through which has obviously been a very uncomfortable time for him, otherwise he wouldn't be leaving, and have some fucking respect. It's pathetic. Manner the fuck up. Owned. xD No, get out. This is like a kid studying business in college dropping out.. just to go start his own business without a degree. He claims college just "wasn't for him" and that starting his own business without going through college is a much better decision because it's what he is comfortable with. Would you seriously sit there and tell that kid he is doing the right thing? Just read his post.. the reasons are pathetic. It really does come down to him not being man enough to stick it out for the improvement of himself and his team. Put your fanboyism aside and open your eyes. How are people suppose to take these players seriously when they can't even take themselves seriously?
Life's about decisions and consequences. This hypothetical kid may succeed, he's likely going to fail and have to live with some repercussions. Sheth made a decision as an adult, I'm sure he knows the consequences of his actions, and he sure doesn't need you to tell him how to live his life.
Manner up, that is all.
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Why do people care so fucking much what Sheth does with his life? If his team is fine with it and this is what he feels is best for him then why does everyone care so much that they are now disgusted with him and have no respect for him? He gave his reasons, he was apologetic and his team has accepted this decision, so why do people feel the need to get on their high horses and criticize him when they have no idea how the experience in Korea was for him.
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On July 13 2011 03:30 HyperionDreamer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 03:10 SovSov wrote:On July 13 2011 02:48 Zedex wrote:On July 13 2011 02:38 SovSov wrote:
dumb.
obviously he can do what he wants to but he is seriously handicapping himself by not spending time in Korea.
staying and practicing in korea for even just 6 months would benefit his career greatly. i'm disappointed that he can't man up enough to stick it out for the quality practice--even if he hates everything else about living there.
not only that, but he was one of the only players who showed immediate promise on FXO. so despite what his teammates say, i'm sure he is letting them down.
overall this is a very poor choice that shows a serious lack of character.
good luck tho--have fun trying to become the best player you can be while practicing in the worst main region. People like you disgust me. He knows that the best place to train is Korea you have to be a fucking moron to not realize that there is more to this than "he doesn't like it". Making stupid statements like "he can't even man up enough to stick it out" your incredibly insensitive towards his situation. He's trying to be the best he can and douche bags like you saying he has a "lack of character" don't help. How about you have some kind of consideration for what he has gone through which has obviously been a very uncomfortable time for him, otherwise he wouldn't be leaving, and have some fucking respect. It's pathetic. Manner the fuck up. Owned. xD No, get out. This is like a kid studying business in college dropping out.. just to go start his own business without a degree. He claims college just "wasn't for him" and that starting his own business without going through college is a much better decision because it's what he is comfortable with. Would you seriously sit there and tell that kid he is doing the right thing? Just read his post.. the reasons are pathetic. It really does come down to him not being man enough to stick it out for the improvement of himself and his team. Put your fanboyism aside and open your eyes. How are people suppose to take these players seriously when they can't even take themselves seriously? Life's about decisions and consequences. This hypothetical kid may succeed, he's likely going to fail and have to live with some repercussions. Sheth made a decision as an adult, I'm sure he knows the consequences of his actions, and he sure doesn't need you to tell him how to live his life. Manner up, that is all.
How am I being bad mannered? If I can't sit here and tell him why it's a bad choice then you shouldn't be allowed to sit there and support him.
Telling him it was a pathetic choice based on poor character is not telling him how to live his life--it's giving him perspective. Maybe he realizes the repercussions of his choice, but maybe he doesn't (you don't know any more than I do). It might be kind of hard when fanboys will blindly support every decision with blaze and glory no matter what.
This is the most annoying part of Team Liquid. If I says one thing even remotely negative people like you have to come out and act like I'm doing something bigger than giving my opinion.
On July 13 2011 03:37 Hierarch wrote:
Why do people care so fucking much what Sheth does with his life? If his team is fine with it and this is what he feels is best for him then why does everyone care so much that they are now disgusted with him and have no respect for him? He gave his reasons, he was apologetic and his team has accepted this decision, so why do people feel the need to get on their high horses and criticize him when they have no idea how the experience in Korea was for him.
Why do you care about us enough to reply? Hypocrite.
It's called a discussion board. Why are you here if that's the way you feel about discussion?
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On July 13 2011 03:40 SovSov wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 03:30 HyperionDreamer wrote:On July 13 2011 03:10 SovSov wrote:On July 13 2011 02:48 Zedex wrote:On July 13 2011 02:38 SovSov wrote:
dumb.
obviously he can do what he wants to but he is seriously handicapping himself by not spending time in Korea.
staying and practicing in korea for even just 6 months would benefit his career greatly. i'm disappointed that he can't man up enough to stick it out for the quality practice--even if he hates everything else about living there.
not only that, but he was one of the only players who showed immediate promise on FXO. so despite what his teammates say, i'm sure he is letting them down.
overall this is a very poor choice that shows a serious lack of character.
good luck tho--have fun trying to become the best player you can be while practicing in the worst main region. People like you disgust me. He knows that the best place to train is Korea you have to be a fucking moron to not realize that there is more to this than "he doesn't like it". Making stupid statements like "he can't even man up enough to stick it out" your incredibly insensitive towards his situation. He's trying to be the best he can and douche bags like you saying he has a "lack of character" don't help. How about you have some kind of consideration for what he has gone through which has obviously been a very uncomfortable time for him, otherwise he wouldn't be leaving, and have some fucking respect. It's pathetic. Manner the fuck up. Owned. xD No, get out. This is like a kid studying business in college dropping out.. just to go start his own business without a degree. He claims college just "wasn't for him" and that starting his own business without going through college is a much better decision because it's what he is comfortable with. Would you seriously sit there and tell that kid he is doing the right thing? Just read his post.. the reasons are pathetic. It really does come down to him not being man enough to stick it out for the improvement of himself and his team. Put your fanboyism aside and open your eyes. How are people suppose to take these players seriously when they can't even take themselves seriously? Life's about decisions and consequences. This hypothetical kid may succeed, he's likely going to fail and have to live with some repercussions. Sheth made a decision as an adult, I'm sure he knows the consequences of his actions, and he sure doesn't need you to tell him how to live his life. Manner up, that is all. How am I being bad mannered? If I can't sit here and tell him why it's a bad choice then you shouldn't be allowed to sit there and support him. Telling him it was a pathetic choice based on poor character is not telling him how to live his life--it's giving him perspective. Maybe he realizes the repercussions of his choice, but maybe he doesn't (you don't know any more than I do). It might be kind of hard when fanboys will blindly support every decision with blaze and glory no matter what. This is the most annoying part of Team Liquid. If I says one thing even remotely negative people like you have to come out and act like I'm doing something bigger than giving my opinion. Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 03:37 Hierarch wrote:
Why do people care so fucking much what Sheth does with his life? If his team is fine with it and this is what he feels is best for him then why does everyone care so much that they are now disgusted with him and have no respect for him? He gave his reasons, he was apologetic and his team has accepted this decision, so why do people feel the need to get on their high horses and criticize him when they have no idea how the experience in Korea was for him. Why do you care about us enough to reply? Hypocrite. It's called a discussion board. Why are you here if this is the way you feel about discussion?
I just find it annoying when people are trying to put their ideals of what's right and wrong on someone else, you're also not discussing anything you're just lambasting someone for a decision you don't agree with.
You claim it was a pathetic choice based on poor character yet you have no idea if it was a bad choice, doing what you feel is right and what you're comfortable with is always the right choice, doing something you don't like will always yield a less than 100% effort. Being in korea is not the best for everyone regardless what people may think. Players like Ret and idrA have kept a high level of play outside of korea and even played better then when they were there due to being in a better environment that they like. Korea is not for everyone, it is a great place to train but if it's not for you it's not for you, it has nothing to do with character.
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