EPTSheth not returning to Korea from NASL - Page 36
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ilmman
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Executor1
1353 Posts
On July 11 2011 17:07 okay320 wrote: No offense but why didn't Sheth think of all this shit earlier? The korean training environment isn't a secret, the language barrier isn't a secret and living with 10 guys is easy to imagine. I'm sure there are people in NA who would love the opportunity to train in Korea. When you go there, drop out in 2nd round of code A and leave after 2 weeks it makes the foreigner scene look like a bunch of noobs. agreed, he was also given a second shot at the up and down matches through the wild card tournament and declined. He just doesnt seem really driven, he gives off a vibe of being lazy to be honest. He doesnt want to put in the work thats fine , he shouldnt have commited to it in the first place, everyone else there seems to have adjusted fine , why is prince sheth so special? (QXC plans on staying until september i beleive) | ||
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FXOpen
Australia1844 Posts
On July 12 2011 14:57 ilmman wrote: Well he should of stuck it in there for at least another 2 weeks. It is only 2 weeks after all. Does FXOBoss pay for everything? Assuming that he does then in the Korean culture its disrespectful to turn down something halfway through, but alas Americans are free minded and its their culture to do what ever they want. I have watch a bit of their stream online and I have not seen the team play a single game.. I seen soccer, mortal combat and facebook tetris. All on different occasions, so if the FXO team is taking gsl serious or not then I have no clue.. or maybe I am just tuning into their stream at the wrong time. I was playing the socer and MK, the tetris was tgun because it was like midnight??? They start training early morning. | ||
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Executor1
1353 Posts
On July 12 2011 07:16 Mohdoo wrote: I think people need to consider the fact that Sheth is probably just really weird in terms of how easily he gets homesick. He obviously dedicates a huge portion of his life to SC2, but he can't control how emotional he naturally is. I don't really see this any differently than an anxiety disorder. He gets mega, mega, mega homesick. If he didn't, he'd stay. I feel bad for the guy, but I don't look down on him. Its really unfortunate that he is socially vulnerable in this way. I'm sure that if he was able to control his feelings of loneliness and likely depression he experiences from being away from home, he would. I mean, if he could barely even make it this far, you gotta feel sorry for the guy. It is extremely embarrassing for him to have to tell everyone "Sorry, I got too homesick" to thousands of fans who supported him. I'm sure he'd avoid it in any way possible if he could. Yea i agree, to me it just seems wierd and rather childish because i go travelling for months at a time and have a blast, he couldnt even last 2 weeks in a foreign country? I guess i expect more out of progamers, i dont expect him to go very far if he cant even be away from home for more than a week or two though. In a way i sort of agree with you that if he could have handeled it he would have, but from his responses in my wildcard tournament thread and like i said in my previous post he gives off a bit of a vibe of being lazy , its kind of like a "ah fuck it w/e" attitude that i think alot of people that read this think is going through his head. I just cant imagine a grown man getting that homesick especially since hes not even alone hes with his team and his coach. As far as i know he lives by himself/ with a roomate so its not like hes super missing his family ( i could be mistaken , I live on my own and i see my family 2-3 times a month) Either way its a huge let down to see a progamer behave in this way, if he does have anxiety issues then thats fine , i have my own anxiety issues (agoraphobia) and i understand where hes coming from , my therapist says the best thing for anxiety is to try and comfront it until you feel comfortable in your uncomfortable situation or at least not as disturbed so it would have been really good for him to try and stick it out. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
As a general policy, it's always good to finish what you start (within reason, of course). I'll still be rooting for Sheth of course, he seems like a decent guy. | ||
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PresenceSc2
Australia4032 Posts
Who cares. People are diffenrent and if he prefers preparing for MLG in the comfort of his own home then good for him. <3 sheth  | ||
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bovi
Japan208 Posts
you cant root for some1 who is here then gone tmr. I suspect other reasons for him leaving. could be promises not fulfilled etc. disagreement with management style / capabilities. inability to make friends etc. that thing with the rosette stone, no dvd-rom crap..is just full of holes. rosetta stone's content is all online on their website. + you're telling me no1 at GOM can download your DVD into the PCs? no1 at GOM has a laptop/pc with dvd-rom? Could be sheth is being nice to FXO and taking the blame.. i dunno. | ||
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GMonster
686 Posts
 pretty sad not going to lie. I understand his decision to not return. But he hit the best person in Code A and it was a close match. Just sad too not see more of him. | ||
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ilmman
364 Posts
On July 12 2011 15:31 bovi wrote: I suspect other reasons for him leaving. could be promises not fulfilled etc. disagreement with management style / capabilities. inability to make friends etc. yer im suspecting he is getting bullied. I dont see why he would throw away an experience like that so easily. I mean just look at him, even i would take measures to bully him just because of the way he looks. User was banned for this post. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15319 Posts
On July 12 2011 07:19 Shockk wrote: You're making it look like a serious mental issue when in reality it's a development that would arise for a large part of people (if not the majority) placed in such a situation. Please don't dramatize that much. You're not thinking about this logically. SC2 is Sheth's job. He is dedicating a portion of his life to it that he could otherwise be doing a variety of other things. No one is going to decide to just needlessly throw away a few years of their life doing something half assed. Do you know anyone who would choose to just waste away years of their life? Sheth knows that there is amazing training opportunity in Korea. He knows how beneficial it could be to what he has chosen to spend his time doing. If he had it in him to stay in Korea, it would be absolutely fucking stupid not to. Sheth doesn't seem like a stupid guy. You gotta realize that there really are people out there who get homesick like this or have other socially dysfunctional problems. I just can't imagine Sheth is like "Well, sure, I could be really good and accomplish a lot. But on the other hand, its cool to see my mom sometimes and chilling with my homies is fun too. I think I will blow this gigantic opportunity so that I can have dinner with my mom". I just can't see that. There is more to it than that. It might not be the way you are, but Sheth is very likely someone who struggles way, way, way more with homesickness than most people. My girlfriend, for example, is someone who I simply could not see doing something like this. Moving away from her family was really tough on her, and it was only by living with me that it was remotely possible. And this was moving 1.5 hours away to go to college. Her moving to Korea, away from me and her family would be downright impossible, no matter the motivation or purpose. She simply could *not* ever do it. Because of that, it seems totally possible that Sheth could be the same way. Why couldn't he be? If he's anything like my girlfriend, it has nothing to do with respecting FXO or being dedicated or anything like that. Some people just *can't*. | ||
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Serpico
4285 Posts
On July 12 2011 06:59 fourColo wrote: The people criticizing his decision probably have no problem moving around like most adults his age... I've spent a month in Korea on vacation which is more than Sheth and I lived in youth hostels so it's not like I had a lot of privacy. It was a HUGE highlight of my life. So much good food, tons of friends I'm still in contact with today, amusement parks, free BW to watch, noraebang, TONS of clubs, amazing public transit, palaces, beautiful islands, parks, tours, it was great. I know going to Seoul for SC2 wouldn't be about having fun but being exposed to a different culture is worth it by itself. And you aren't sheth so your experience is meaningless. People aren't generic, monolithic beings that all think and act the same. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On July 12 2011 15:38 Mohdoo wrote: You're not thinking about this logically. SC2 is Sheth's job. He is dedicating a portion of his life to it that he could otherwise be doing a variety of other things. No one is going to decide to just needlessly throw away a few years of their life doing something half assed. Do you know anyone who would choose to just waste away years of their life? Sheth knows that there is amazing training opportunity in Korea. He knows how beneficial it could be to what he has chosen to spend his time doing. If he had it in him to stay in Korea, it would be absolutely fucking stupid not to. Sheth doesn't seem like a stupid guy. You gotta realize that there really are people out there who get homesick like this or have other socially dysfunctional problems. I just can't imagine Sheth is like "Well, sure, I could be really good and accomplish a lot. But on the other hand, its cool to see my mom sometimes and chilling with my homies is fun too. I think I will blow this gigantic opportunity so that I can have dinner with my mom". I just can't see that. There is more to it than that. It might not be the way you are, but Sheth is very likely someone who struggles way, way, way more with homesickness than most people. My girlfriend, for example, is someone who I simply could not see doing something like this. Moving away from her family was really tough on her, and it was only by living with me that it was remotely possible. And this was moving 1.5 hours away to go to college. Her moving to Korea, away from me and her family would be downright impossible, no matter the motivation or purpose. She simply could *not* ever do it. Because of that, it seems totally possible that Sheth could be the same way. Why couldn't he be? If he's anything like my girlfriend, it has nothing to do with respecting FXO or being dedicated or anything like that. Some people just *can't*. Here comes the internet psychology. Lol kid you have no idea about Sheth's mental state. | ||
Fishriot
United States621 Posts
Regardless of his position on the team, he has every single right to make a decision like this in an attempt to preserve his own mental health. Look past the whining and complaining "fans" and their narrow view of the situation, and realize that if Sheth wasn't happy in Korea, there are many negative effects that he could suffer from. The last thing I want is one of my favorite players struggling doing what he loves because of a loss of passion or god forbid a serious case of depression brought on by not being comfortable in his environment. Starcraft is a game. It may be Sheth's main source of income, but when you boil down the situation to what really matters, nothing is more important than his happiness. On a side note, I'm finding all of the American bashing in this thread to be pathetic. A desperate attempt to make a low blow in an area that has no relevance to this discussion at all. | ||
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Indrium
United States2236 Posts
On July 12 2011 05:46 OddisH wrote: Haypro, TLO and Ret weren't GIVEN a spot into Code A. Haypro, TLO and Ret were not living in a ENGLISH speaking pro-gaming house with ALL of their teammates there. Haypro, TLO and Ret were not the CAPTAINS of their team. Haypro, TLO and Ret did not abandon their team in the middle of a team league. Haypro, TLO and Ret stuck it out in a KOREAN SPEAKING pro-gaming house for MUCH longer than 2 weeks. Haypro, TLO and Ret EARNED the respect of the foreign scene for giving it their all when presented with a great opportunity. Sheth threw away an opportunity people would kill for just because he was a little home sick... HayprO, Ret, and HuK were all given spots in code A. TLO gave up his spot after the rankings were done for Codes A/S in January. I think you're being pretty unfair to Sheth. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15319 Posts
On July 12 2011 15:46 Doodsmack wrote: Here comes the internet psychology. Lol kid you have no idea about Sheth's mental state. My entire point is that we can't know his mental state. I gave an example of how my girlfriend is someone who wouldn't be able to do the whole flying out to Korea thing, and as such, it would be possible Sheth is the same way. And because of that possibility, it is unfair to assume Sheth is in a better condition and more capable of handling it. He has a lot of good reason to go to Korea, so he must have even more reason to not go. | ||
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Vul
United States685 Posts
Has anyone considered that maybe Sheth thinks that he can't train adequately in Korea because of how uncomfortable he is? This could be the best move for both him and his team. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On July 12 2011 15:46 Doodsmack wrote: Here comes the internet psychology. Lol kid you have no idea about Sheth's mental state. Most of the negative comments in this thread have been major shots that Sheth is a failure at life or abandons everything in his life because he wouldn't go back to Korea for 2 weeks (not like he hadn't been there for a month already). We're far, far past the point of people making statements on Sheth's mental state. At least one in support of it is nice. A lot here can travel well, others can't. Sheth only traveled to his first LAN a few months ago, now he went to Korea. It wasn't working out for him too well and, due to some logistics issues that changed a few things, he decided to head back home a few weeks early in prep for MLG. Not really a huge deal. But a lot of people are trying to make it out to be. | ||
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Serpico
4285 Posts
On July 12 2011 15:03 Executor1 wrote: agreed, he was also given a second shot at the up and down matches through the wild card tournament and declined. He just doesnt seem really driven, he gives off a vibe of being lazy to be honest. He doesnt want to put in the work thats fine , he shouldnt have commited to it in the first place, everyone else there seems to have adjusted fine , why is prince sheth so special? (QXC plans on staying until september i beleive) It has nothing to do about being lazy if you would actually read what he's written. Good god some of the conclusions you people jump to to satisfy your predetermined biases are ridiculous. | ||
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okay320
18 Posts
On July 12 2011 16:04 Taf the Ghost wrote: Sheth only traveled to his first LAN a few months ago, now he went to Korea. It wasn't working out for him too well and, due to some logistics issues that changed a few things, he decided to head back home. What are theses issues? did he poop the bed, or what? | ||
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TooN
1046 Posts
Then he says he doesn't want to play in korea anymore and up and leave in the middle of the season. Abandons his team. I don't understand why you couldn't just stick it out for another period of time. Its not like you are going to be there for another year or so. He should of known what korea was like before he went. Pro players probably told him what it was like. No one is saying he isn't a nice guy. People are saying for someone who is suppose to be "pro", he is just a quitter. He GG'ed before his time was over. | ||
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