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On July 12 2011 06:58 Odious_Repeater wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2011 06:52 fourColo wrote:
To me getting depressed about not seeing your family for a month and having to live with a bunch of other guys is the same as not being a pro. Some people have it in them and some people don't. Fair enough, though that stuff comes down to luck really. You can say "some people have it in them and some people don't", but an equally valid explanation is "some people mind and some people don't". If you're one of those people who don't mind (I am one too), then you may just be lucky (or an emotionally detached sociopath - plenty of reasons for people to not mind being away from your family). Now, if everyone was equally likely to get equally depressed, but some people managed to pull through anyway through sheer force of will... that I could respect on my own terms. A lot more than some people who simply didn't have a certain emotional response to being away from friends and family.
Yeah again I guess I can't really say he made a bad choice since it's personal it's just a big let down. He was supposed to be the great American hope.
Also I'm extremely fond of Korea and pretty much any big city with worthwhile public transit and fun things to do.
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On July 12 2011 06:29 fourColo wrote:
When it comes to tournament earnings Jinro has made about 12 times as much as Sheth has. Why would you rather be Sheth than Jinro? Jinro also gets to practice with the best in the world, Sheth does not.
TLO and Ret have made considerably more than Sheth according to the SC2 earnings site as well. Sheth could have easily beat them, he has the potential. And for every Sheth there's probably several dozen Koreans just as good as him that struggle and fail to qualify for Code A every season.
GSL isn't the only tournament but Korea has the highest concentration of talent, there's really no argument to be made about it.
Yet Sheth, even with his inferior training went as far as Jinro did this season.
Korea isn't for everyone guys. He tried it and he didn't like it. He was going to stay through the GSTL, but then flights kept him from doing so.
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On July 12 2011 07:02 fourColo wrote:
Yeah again I guess I can't really say he made a bad choice since it's personal it's just a big let down. He was supposed to be the great American hope.
Also I'm extremely fond of Korea and pretty much any big city with worthwhile public transit and fun things to do.
I think you hit the nail on the head right there; a lot of people projected a lot onto Sheth. I think if he were just one of many Americans competing in Code A or even S, people would feel a lot less disappointed with Sheth leaving.
For the record, I would probably be in heaven being in Korea, for the same reasons you mentioned and more. As I said in my original post, I've done a bunch of travelling and love doing it. I can understand on some level that some people who live vicariously through the players feel a bit disappointed by proxy. Kind of like they're thinking "if I'd had that opportunity, shiet, I would've been all over it".
I guess being as good as Sheth is what's required to be able to accept or refuse such an opportunity. Back to the ladder we go...
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I think people need to consider the fact that Sheth is probably just really weird in terms of how easily he gets homesick. He obviously dedicates a huge portion of his life to SC2, but he can't control how emotional he naturally is.
I don't really see this any differently than an anxiety disorder. He gets mega, mega, mega homesick. If he didn't, he'd stay. I feel bad for the guy, but I don't look down on him. Its really unfortunate that he is socially vulnerable in this way.
I'm sure that if he was able to control his feelings of loneliness and likely depression he experiences from being away from home, he would.
I mean, if he could barely even make it this far, you gotta feel sorry for the guy. It is extremely embarrassing for him to have to tell everyone "Sorry, I got too homesick" to thousands of fans who supported him. I'm sure he'd avoid it in any way possible if he could.
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All the best for you Shawn I'm really happy you spent some time in Korea thanks for playing in the GSL and participating in gstl when you were there. <3
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On July 12 2011 07:16 Mohdoo wrote:
I think people need to consider the fact that Sheth is probably just really weird in terms of how easily he gets homesick. He obviously dedicates a huge portion of his life to SC2, but he can't control how emotional he naturally is.
I don't really see this any differently than an anxiety disorder. He gets mega, mega, mega homesick. If he didn't, he'd stay. I feel bad for the guy, but I don't look down on him. Its really unfortunate that he is socially vulnerable in this way.
I'm sure that if he was able to control his feelings of loneliness and likely depression he experiences from being away from home, he would.
I mean, if he could barely even make it this far, you gotta feel sorry for the guy. It is extremely embarrassing for him to have to tell everyone "Sorry, I got too homesick" to thousands of fans who supported him. I'm sure he'd avoid it in any way possible if he could.
You're making it look like a serious mental issue when in reality it's a development that would arise for a large part of people (if not the majority) placed in such a situation. Please don't dramatize that much.
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At least he got out before it got worse. If you know something is wrong for you don't keep doing it and just increase the misery. He gave it a shot and it isn't for him.
Sad news is this is a fatal blow to FXO in korea, imo. Losing one of your best players has to hurt a lot.
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This is somewhat disappointing, but there will be more opportunities in the future. Fxo will just have to make due and maybe this will motivate the other players to train harder because their star will not be returning. I dont know what sheth's reasoning is but i can respect his decision because of what he has done for the community. Best of luck to Fxo and Sheth in the future.
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I find it so weird that people have this issue with the transition especially now with the GOM house even if it isn't team oriented exactly there are people who speak your language. But then again I guess it could be similar to that statistic about college where 50% of freshman drop out because of the drastic change in lifestyles.
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If Sheth was going to stay for only a month from the beginning, then I have to question the decision to give him that free Code A spot. It's just so difficult to get into Code A (even guys like DRG and Puma have never managed to get there yet), so why give it to someone who was only going to try it out for one tournament and then leave? If it had to be given to a non-Korean, then GOMtv might as well have given it to qxc instead.
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@totalbiscuit
Its probably best to just leave the haters to the TL staff. When you argue with people that approach matters with a completely biased standpoint it's just adding fuel to the fire. You're a really exciting caster and you dont need to give yourself a bad image by arguing with kids who think they know everything.
@the haters
Stop hating on people that have done more for esports than you could ever do. Sheth has contributed by writing zerg guides on the forums as well as commentating and interacting with viewers on his stream. If Sheth doesnt want to return to korea he doesnt have to, its his life not yours. everyone has their opinions but i think someone as nice and mannered as sheth deserves a little more respect on the forums. and you dont get to the skill level that sheth is on by half-assing it in training. The guy is amazing he just doesnt want to be in korea for some reason, thats his decision.
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So far we learned that not everyone is cut out to be a profesional starcraft player who is sponsored by a team.
Im not just talking about Sheth here, but all pro gamers on a team. Profesional is taking an employer opportunity and sticking with it, even if it includes travel, and supporting them and their team. Being their best player I think he should have stayed with FXO until the day they leave. Being a part of a team means to be responsible not only to his fans but to the guys who write his cheques, and the sponsors who rely on the best players possible to show off their product.
Pro teams and managers work hard to get sponsorships. You know the first thing they say when they approach a sponsor? We can get you exposure because we have some top level players who can get you noticed.
If gamers want everyone to start respecting pro gaming, and for pro gamers to make loads of cash now and forever, then we have to start treating gaming as a job that has its responsibilities, and if not, then gaming will forever be in the nerds only stage and nobody in the west will respect it. Am I right?
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I'm sad for FXO. Good fortune Sheth.
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On July 12 2011 10:42 Cartel wrote:
So far we learned that not everyone is cut out to be a profesional starcraft player who is sponsored by a team.
Im not just talking about Sheth here, but all pro gamers on a team. Profesional is taking an employer opportunity and sticking with it, even if it includes travel, and supporting them and their team. Being their best player I think he should have stayed with FXO until the day they leave. Being a part of a team means to be responsible not only to his fans but to the guys who write his cheques, and the sponsors who rely on the best players possible to show off their product.
Pro teams and managers work hard to get sponsorships. You know the first thing they say when they approach a sponsor? We can get you exposure because we have some top level players who can get you noticed.
If gamers want everyone to start respecting pro gaming, and for pro gamers to make loads of cash now and forever, then we have to start treating gaming as a job that has its responsibilities, and if not, then gaming will forever be in the nerds only stage and nobody in the west will respect it. Am I right?
I'm pretty big on being a team player, I don't think I could abandon my team ESPECIALLY if I was the captain. If I was Sheth and I felt like I couldn't cut it out and had to abandon my team I'd prob just step down and hope there is someone on the team who felt like they were more capable.
this sucks alot cause although people were not expecting FXO to take it home was at least expecting to see them give their all. Cause if they want the title or not they represent foreigners. Korea does not have to worry about e-sports being mainstream there cause it is, stuff like this happening does have an impact on e-sports development.
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It's not like he'd be literally going down with a ship into sinking water. He wouldn't see his family for another quarter of a year or something. It's really surprising because studying abroad and going away from home for college are big parts of American culture.
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Nothing wrong with being homesick. Family and friends are important. Starcraft at the end of the day is a game and a job. If he is not happy there is nothing wrong with change.
Sheth can dominate from the USA! We will cheer for you no matter where you are.
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On July 12 2011 10:14 frostbite23 wrote:
@the haters
Stop hating on people that have done more for esports than you could ever do. Sheth has contributed by writing zerg guides on the forums as well as commentating and interacting with viewers on his stream. If Sheth doesnt want to return to korea he doesnt have to, its his life not yours. everyone has their opinions but i think someone as nice and mannered as sheth deserves a little more respect on the forums. and you dont get to the skill level that sheth is on by half-assing it in training. The guy is amazing he just doesnt want to be in korea for some reason, thats his decision.
I'm not going to deny sheth's contribution to the community as i'm just one of the many anonymous posters on TL trying to take a stab here (who isnt?. after all, the two main groups of people here are people who are defending Sheth's decision and the ones who are attacking him (which however is further separated into two different groups, the ones who just post MINDLESS hate, and the ones who do it civilly/decency/objectively/and with common sense))
Respect for a person can only be earned, which sheth has. This respect however can easily be lost by a single bad incident no matter how much good deeds a person has done before (I posted earlier on this same thread about something similar, using Criminal records as an example), and that only diehard fans (which is not a bad thing) will still maintain that same level of respect for that person where everyone else has fallen off.
There are many different people in here with different backgrounds, life experiences, expectations and ideas, and this in turn influences the way they see the incident. Yes, mindless hate and non-contributing comments are not appreciated, but no one here is entitled to give respect to sheth for his decision unless they want to as they will not see it the same way (like there are a group of people who say Sheth's gotta do whats best for sheth while others say that Team first, individual second).
Sheth acknowledges this, he even calls it a dick move himself. For someone as famous as Sheth, criticism will be expected of anything he does, and while FXOpen calls for neutrality in this, I'm not surprise that Sheth might have expect the level of 'controversy' that we are seeing here in this thread.
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On July 12 2011 10:14 frostbite23 wrote:
@the haters
Stop hating on people that have done more for esports than you could ever do. Sheth has contributed by writing zerg guides on the forums as well as commentating and interacting with viewers on his stream. If Sheth doesnt want to return to korea he doesnt have to, its his life not yours. everyone has their opinions but i think someone as nice and mannered as sheth deserves a little more respect on the forums. and you dont get to the skill level that sheth is on by half-assing it in training. The guy is amazing he just doesnt want to be in korea for some reason, thats his decision.
Soo.. Because someone isn't as good as a pro for the game, they're not doing anything for esports?
I'm 100% sure if other people would be in this situation and had the game knowledge Sheth has they would do the exact same thing, maybe not the 24hr live streams though, but they would still write guides, stream with commentary and provide entertainment AND serious business. It's not about how good he is or not, it's about how the captain of a pro-gaming team doesn't want to return to his team to participate in one of their biggest debuts. I would disrespect any captain of a team who does this - Korean or not.
Now if you're going to say we're haters then that's ok - your judgement is just clouded. I think we all respect Sheth the person - the well mannered and kind guy, but some of us don't respect Sheth the captain of FXO, and one of their ace players that could of pulled them through.
I understand his personal reasons but in my eyes - and maybe others - his let his team down, abandoning them when they're trying to make history in E-Sports. If you call us haters for disrespecting Sheth for this then you need to look at the bigger picture. We don't hate Sheth - we are just disappointed.
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I'm torn man..
On one hand its like yea who would want to live in a small ass apartment sharing a bunkbed with 10 guys, 0 privacy, far away from home, family, friends, girlfriend, etc.
On the other he made the commitment knowing what he was signing up for. The thing that makes it so much worse is that he was the captain, I wonder what that did to the morale of the team or how the team feels about it.
If you honestly think about it, it is completely understandable. Kind of odd, but you never know how you'll feel about a certain situation until you try it I guess, I mean if he just passed it up he would have never known, or had the experience. but in the end if its not for him it's not for him.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion on Sheth but man.. more power to him, best of luck in future endeavors.
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