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On July 12 2011 05:41 Nizaris wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2011 05:36 jmbthirteen wrote:
Did people give Haypro, TLO and Ret this much shit when they left Korea? no because those 3 at least gave it a decent shot. while 2 weeks is not giving it a shot, anyway you put it. besides TLO had good reasons. not "i miss home" type thing u know.
Not to mention the situation is different. All the FXO guys are in a unique position.
There was a lot of hype with FXO participating in Korea. How can FXO NOT understand the reaction when the team's best player decides he's not coming back?
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I'm pretty sure Haypro would still be in Korea if he had won his Code A match like Sheth did.
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I'm disappointed as well. When Nony (Tyler) went back to the US I was extremely sympathetic because it would be extremely hard to live in a house full of guys who don't speak your language and only sit at the computer practicing, devoid of social aspects. However, Sheth is with his entire team, who also speak his language.
It would be one thing if he didn't think progaming was for him (at the time, that was also Nony's thought), or he didn't want to do it that seriously, but he quit school for it, so he should at least take golden opportunities to further his career like these.
Then of course there's the fact that his team is still in the GSTL as the first foreign team to ever compete and he leaves them as captain.
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Living in a cramped space with a bunch of guys is pretty horrible. It's understandable.
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Meh. It's his decision, he choose the, in most peoples eyes, poor one for his career. That's all, get on with your lives because it's his life and in his eyes he choose the right one, and guess what? It's his decision. While I do feel a little upset that his not going to practice in Korea any more, I'm fine with his decision. When you can play on a professional level and only then can you criticize Sheth's decision for his career. You can't criticize Sheth's personal decision.
But in terms of his team, his the captain. His in the the top 3 best players on their team and his skipping out on them, while I'm sure that the other players aren't disheartened by this the community sees this as an act of betrayal and are going to look at the "Manner Bear" in a less then positive light now. I feel that his ejection from Korea was a little premature, there's only like 2-3 more GSTL matches that FXO are participating in and if he can't stick around for those 2-3 weeks despite Korea not being the 'place' for him I wouldn't want him on my team, let alone the captain of my team.
But like I said, from a personal standpoint I see no reason for anyone to criticize him leaving. However, from a team perspective he should be damned for skipping on his team during one of their biggest events they've ever participated in.
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Kinda bullshit to abandon his team that way. Of course you can criticize his personal decision. It's his decision, but it's a bad one, and he's hurting his team.
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Sure it's his decision but this does not reflect the true mindset of a competitor.
If he is telling that being pro is his dream and he gets the chance, the only right thing to do is to seize that chance.
Giving up on Korea is like leaving the NBA to play in the NBA-D League.
I respect his decision and yes family is important, but this seems like a stepback for Sheths career.
And as someone who thinks that his abilities are terrific and someone who roots for him everytime he plays; this just saddens me.
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Sheth the person can do whatever he wants. He's a nice guy and deserves respect.
Sheth the player does not deserve the same respect. Maybe he's not cut out to be a pro player -- fine for Sheth the person, he should do what he wants, and being a pro SC2 player apparently isn't his dream.
I don't know him as a person and I don't mean for him to take any of this personally but as a player he just seems like a waste.
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More than one person has mentioned Sheths "abandoning" his team, but as far as any of us know he went with his team's blessing.
In this, and every other aspect of this decision, there's a lot of assuming and jumping to conclusions.
I really don't get what people's angle is. Just feels like justifying hating on Sheth for not doing what they think they would've done in that same situation. As for that last bit, I refer to my previous post.
People should refrain from commenting in such confident language on topics they know little to nothing about.
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I doubt his team hates him or anything, he doesn't seem like the kind of guy to burn bridges. But there just aren't any respectable, serious American pro gamers right now. We thought Sheth was going to be the one but we were wrong. He was the ONLY North American in the NASL finals. There's a vaccuum of talent in the US and sheth didn't want to step up.
I'm sure hundreds of other "good" american players would love to practice their ass off and show the world what they can do but they can't because they don't have the money to improve. Sheth was given this by the unbelievably generous FXO and he doesn't want it?
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On July 12 2011 05:56 vict1019 wrote:
Living in a cramped space with a bunch of guys is pretty horrible. It's understandable.
ya bro it's horrible you can't watch porn and beat off. Honestly what exactly are u missing out on when living with 10 other guys.
I've been there and i don't remember being a nightmare. Nor has living in Thailand for 4y been, and i didn't even speak english back then...
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On July 12 2011 05:48 sylverfyre wrote:Don't worry FXOSheth, you're still my favorite zerg in the world! Show nested quote +On July 12 2011 05:46 OddisH wrote:On July 12 2011 05:36 jmbthirteen wrote:
Did people give Haypro, TLO and Ret this much shit when they left Korea? Haypro, TLO and Ret weren't GIVEN a spot into Code A. Haypro, TLO and Ret were not living in a ENGLISH speaking pro-gaming house with ALL of their teammates there. Haypro, TLO and Ret were not the CAPTAINS of their team. Haypro, TLO and Ret did not abandon their team in the middle of a team league. Haypro, TLO and Ret stuck it out in a KOREAN SPEAKING pro-gaming house for MUCH longer than 2 weeks. Haypro, TLO and Ret EARNED the respect of the foreign scene for giving it their all when presented with a great opportunity. Sheth threw away an opportunity people would kill for just because he was a little home sick... I think you, and many others in this thread, need to have a little bit more RESPECT for just how difficult it can be to live in a different country, where you don't speak the language, where you don't have a lot of luxuries you grew up with, etc. Please have some respect for Sheth's decision, it's his to make, not yours.
First of all I don't owe Sheth anything, much less respect for a decision many find disappointing, especially considering how many people would jump all over this opportunity. I guess the foreigners want everything to come easy to them. Seems they don't understand the concept of making sacrifices to achieve your goals.I understand his choice, but that doesn't make it any easier to sallow. I'm sorry things didnt work out for him, I really am. I guess allotted training in the mecca of the world's biggest e-sport isn't enough for Sheth, he needs his cake and wants to eat it too
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On July 12 2011 06:08 OddisH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2011 05:48 sylverfyre wrote:Don't worry FXOSheth, you're still my favorite zerg in the world! On July 12 2011 05:46 OddisH wrote:On July 12 2011 05:36 jmbthirteen wrote:
Did people give Haypro, TLO and Ret this much shit when they left Korea? Haypro, TLO and Ret weren't GIVEN a spot into Code A. Haypro, TLO and Ret were not living in a ENGLISH speaking pro-gaming house with ALL of their teammates there. Haypro, TLO and Ret were not the CAPTAINS of their team. Haypro, TLO and Ret did not abandon their team in the middle of a team league. Haypro, TLO and Ret stuck it out in a KOREAN SPEAKING pro-gaming house for MUCH longer than 2 weeks. Haypro, TLO and Ret EARNED the respect of the foreign scene for giving it their all when presented with a great opportunity. Sheth threw away an opportunity people would kill for just because he was a little home sick... I think you, and many others in this thread, need to have a little bit more RESPECT for just how difficult it can be to live in a different country, where you don't speak the language, where you don't have a lot of luxuries you grew up with, etc. Please have some respect for Sheth's decision, it's his to make, not yours. First of all I don't owe Sheth anything, much less respect for a decision many find disappointing, especially considering how many people would jump all over this opportunity. I guess the foreigners want everything to come easy to them. Seems they don't understand the concept of making sacrifices to achieve your goals.I understand his choice, but that doesn't make it any easier to sallow. I'm sorry things didnt work out for him, I really am. I guess allotted training in the mecca of the world's biggest e-sport isn't enough for Sheth, he needs his cake and wants to eat it too
I agree with with the premise of your statement about certain foreigners not sticking it out but boy did that come off as harsh.
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On July 12 2011 05:46 OddisH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2011 05:36 jmbthirteen wrote:
Did people give Haypro, TLO and Ret this much shit when they left Korea? Haypro, TLO and Ret weren't GIVEN a spot into Code A. Haypro, TLO and Ret were not living in a ENGLISH speaking pro-gaming house with ALL of their teammates there. Haypro, TLO and Ret were not the CAPTAINS of their team. Haypro, TLO and Ret did not abandon their team in the middle of a team league. Haypro, TLO and Ret stuck it out in a KOREAN SPEAKING pro-gaming house for MUCH longer than 2 weeks. Haypro, TLO and Ret EARNED the respect of the foreign scene for giving it their all when presented with a great opportunity. Sheth threw away an opportunity people would kill for just because he was a little home sick...
He took the opportunity, he gave Code A a shot and did pretty well. People keep going on and on about 2 weeks but you can know if a living condition is going to work out for you in 2 weeks easily. It didn't work for him so he made a decision to make his life more enjoyable. He doesn't owe some random guy sitting behind a computer judging him any explanation. Everyone is different Sheth is not Huk/Jinro/TLO/Ret/Haypro/idra etc. so you cant really compare the situations. Ill just say I'm proud of him he had a pretty good GSL run and I hope he learned from the experience.
No one was hurt, nothing was lost, lets try not to crucify one of the nicest players in the community for leaving a situation he was not comfortable with.
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There's an opportunity loss if you figure FXO, the daddy warbucks of the foreigner starcraft scene, could have conceivably sent someone passionate about SC2.
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On July 12 2011 06:11 BryanSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2011 06:08 OddisH wrote:On July 12 2011 05:48 sylverfyre wrote:Don't worry FXOSheth, you're still my favorite zerg in the world! On July 12 2011 05:46 OddisH wrote:On July 12 2011 05:36 jmbthirteen wrote:
Did people give Haypro, TLO and Ret this much shit when they left Korea? Haypro, TLO and Ret weren't GIVEN a spot into Code A. Haypro, TLO and Ret were not living in a ENGLISH speaking pro-gaming house with ALL of their teammates there. Haypro, TLO and Ret were not the CAPTAINS of their team. Haypro, TLO and Ret did not abandon their team in the middle of a team league. Haypro, TLO and Ret stuck it out in a KOREAN SPEAKING pro-gaming house for MUCH longer than 2 weeks. Haypro, TLO and Ret EARNED the respect of the foreign scene for giving it their all when presented with a great opportunity. Sheth threw away an opportunity people would kill for just because he was a little home sick... I think you, and many others in this thread, need to have a little bit more RESPECT for just how difficult it can be to live in a different country, where you don't speak the language, where you don't have a lot of luxuries you grew up with, etc. Please have some respect for Sheth's decision, it's his to make, not yours. First of all I don't owe Sheth anything, much less respect for a decision many find disappointing, especially considering how many people would jump all over this opportunity. I guess the foreigners want everything to come easy to them. Seems they don't understand the concept of making sacrifices to achieve your goals.I understand his choice, but that doesn't make it any easier to sallow. I'm sorry things didnt work out for him, I really am. I guess allotted training in the mecca of the world's biggest e-sport isn't enough for Sheth, he needs his cake and wants to eat it too I agree with with the premise of your statement about certain foreigners not sticking it out but boy did that come off as harsh.
Now that I heard it a couple times it does seem a little harsh, and for that I am sorry. I just find it unnerving that such a grand opportunity was pushed away
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On July 12 2011 06:02 fourColo wrote:
Sheth the player does not deserve the same respect. Maybe he's not cut out to be a pro player -- fine for Sheth the person, he should do what he wants, and being a pro SC2 player apparently isn't his dream.
Don't feel like I'm singling you out by quoting you bro, your post was just the closest one that expressed this sentiment.
Let's be dry and pragmatic about this aspect of things, shall we? Being "Pro" by definition means "making one's living by doing something", in the strictest definition of the word. It's NOT about bragging rights or recognition, which I can kind of understand that some people associate with being in the GSL - where arguably the best players are.
But as a pro, a person making money off of playing SC2, things actually become a bit more complex than just "GSL is where it's at". Making money in the GSL becomes difficult exactly because it is so competitive. Now, I'm not privy to the economic subtleties of professional gaming. I can totally imagine that you can make quite a bit of salary/sponsorship dough by just being reasonably high in the GSL consistently, because it gets you air time and you may get bonuses for displaying sponsor logos and stuff.
However, one must contrast this with the sheer number of tournaments available in the western scene. Competing in those may ultimately give Sheth:
A.) A bigger net share of exposure than would one or two televised appearances a month in the GSL
B.) Actually prize money - sure, smaller amounts than winning Code S or even Code A would award, but also a lot more easily won
I don't know the maths (and most of you don't either), but if it's really about Sheths "career", the there's a lot more to it than the bragging rights of being among the best of the best. It's the same in other sports and forms of entertainment. Look at the number of athletes past their prime who spend a few years in foreign countries where they are paid enormous sums of money sitting on a bench - think they give a rat's ass that some might call them sellouts or whatever?
I'd like to also call people's attention to the fact that we're seeing more of Ret and Haypro now than we ever did when they were over in Korea. Oh, and how's Jinro been doing lately? I mean, I know it's all down to how one defines "success" and stuff, but I'd rather be in White-Ra's, Idra's or Sheths shoes right now than Jinros.
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On July 12 2011 06:03 Odious_Repeater wrote:
More than one person has mentioned Sheths "abandoning" his team, but as far as any of us know he went with his team's blessing.
In this, and every other aspect of this decision, there's a lot of assuming and jumping to conclusions.
I really don't get what people's angle is. Just feels like justifying hating on Sheth for not doing what they think they would've done in that same situation. As for that last bit, I refer to my previous post.
People should refrain from commenting in such confident language on topics they know little to nothing about.
Even if there was a statement from FXO saying that Sheth left with their blessing would you believe it? I know if I was in FXO and went with my team to Korea and one of our best players/captain decide to stay in America and not come back I would feel abandoned. I can't hate Sheth that he left his team but I would have a lot more respect for him if he could stick around and help his team out. Nobody said Korea was going to be easy and with FXO struggling in GSTL this is probably when their team needs their captain the most. I hope FXO can pull through regardless and finish the season strong
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If you can't stand the heat, get out of the oven. If someone is completely dedicated / serious in competing to the highest level I think Korea would be where they would want to be.
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"Shame to see that the community is not there yet" -Incontrol
Best of luck Sheth, keep on being one of the coolest guys in the scene right now. Just do whatever you need to keep your morale up.
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