EPTOn July 12 2011 06:05 Nizaris wrote:
Honestly what exactly are u missing out on when living with 10 other guys.
Honestly what exactly are u missing out on when living with 10 other guys.
Women? Peace? Good smells?
Sheth not returning to Korea from NASL - Page 34
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Chargelot
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fourColo
United States363 Posts
TLO and Ret have made considerably more than Sheth according to the SC2 earnings site as well. Sheth could have easily beat them, he has the potential. And for every Sheth there's probably several dozen Koreans just as good as him that struggle and fail to qualify for Code A every season. GSL isn't the only tournament but Korea has the highest concentration of talent, there's really no argument to be made about it. | ||
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Odious_Repeater
Germany32 Posts
On July 12 2011 06:22 storm44 wrote: Even if there was a statement from FXO saying that Sheth left with their blessing would you believe it? I would accept it, if not believe it, and shut my mouth in the face of the burden of proof being put on me. The allegation that a team would lie about being okay with someone leaving is a big enough one that if I wanted to make a case to the contrary, I'd best provide some proof rather than just conspiracy theories based on preconceived notions about what "team captain" means in a context like this. However, if the team really did think it was a really, really big deal and the team brass - as well as the players on the team - lost confidence in Sheth as a result... wouldn't you think it very likely that they'd part ways permanently? I mean, that's usually what happens in other areas. If my team at work doesn't want to rally behind me, I'm going to quit on my own - and wouldn't be surprised in the least if someone beat me to the punch and asked me to leave. If we are to talk from personal experience and hypotheticals, I mean... | ||
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OddisH
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On July 12 2011 06:26 NuKedUFirst wrote: If you can't stand the heat, get out of the oven. If someone is completely dedicated / serious in competing to the highest level I think Korea would be where they would want to be. I agree completely, just look at Naniwa or QXC, in almost every interview or public statement I've seen of them recently they can't (couldn't) wait to get to Korea to prove their skill. The foreign scene needs more players like this... | ||
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Zerothegreat
United States787 Posts
In a Tasteless voice: "He lost his passion!!!!" | ||
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Th1rdEye
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fourColo
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JiPrime
Canada688 Posts
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Odious_Repeater
Germany32 Posts
On July 12 2011 06:29 fourColo wrote: When it comes to tournament earnings Jinro has made about 12 times as much as Sheth has. Why would you rather be Sheth than Jinro? Jinro also gets to practice with the best in the world, Sheth does not. TLO and Ret have made considerably more than Sheth according to the SC2 earnings site as well. Sheth could have easily beat them, he has the potential. And for every Sheth there's probably several dozen Koreans just as good as him that struggle and fail to qualify for Code A every season. GSL isn't the only tournament but Korea has the highest concentration of talent, there's really no argument to be made about it. I missed reiterating the perhaps most important bit of my argument - that if Sheth would have been over in Korea and stayed unhappy, he is more likely than not to have posted any results that were even half decent. Depressed people generally don't perform. Do you think he'd have made it to Code S, where the real dough is? Jinro's earnings are impressive - but he has two semis back-to-back. I'm curious to see what happens on a long enough timeline; how much has Jinro made since dropping down to code A? Yes, TLO and Ret have made consideraby more than Ret. How much of that was made while they were in Korea? How much did Ret win at Assembly compared to his earnings in the GSL? I've already admitted to not knowing the fullness of the maths, but tournament earnings are hardly the entirety of a player's income, correct? | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
On July 12 2011 05:36 ptbl wrote: From a personal standpoint I can understand where Sheth is coming from. However, Sheth is the captain of the FXO team during the GSTL. To abandon his team is very unprofessional. How can the captain abandon his own team when they need him? A captain doesn't abandon his ship. Pretty much my view. Imagine if Nestea or MVP were to say "k IM, [insert personal reason] so I don't feel like playing in the GSTL anymore." It's so unprofessional...it's no wonder FXO is getting demolished both inside and outside of the booth. | ||
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schaf
Germany1326 Posts
Do you know? Maybe he's got some mental issues? We don't know? And again: You are not letting your team down if you know you are going to slump and be a bad captain because you dont like your current life and want to go back. | ||
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JiPrime
Canada688 Posts
On July 12 2011 06:42 schaf wrote: again, everyone is just *oh I KNOW HOW IT IS* and judging Sheth from there on. Do you know? Maybe he's got some mental issues? We don't know? And again: You are not letting your team down if you know you are going to slump and be a bad captain because you dont like your current life and want to go back. It's not about whether you are going to be in a slump or not. It's about BEING THERE and giving MORAL support. | ||
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C.W.
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fourColo
United States363 Posts
On July 12 2011 06:40 Odious_Repeater wrote: I missed reiterating the perhaps most important bit of my argument - that if Sheth would have been over in Korea and stayed unhappy, he is more likely than not to have posted any results that were even half decent. Depressed people generally don't perform. Do you think he'd have made it to Code S, where the real dough is? Jinro's earnings are impressive - but he has two semis back-to-back. I'm curious to see what happens on a long enough timeline; how much has Jinro made since dropping down to code A? Yes, TLO and Ret have made consideraby more than Ret. How much of that was made while they were in Korea? How much did Ret win at Assembly compared to his earnings in the GSL? I've already admitted to not knowing the fullness of the maths, but tournament earnings are hardly the entirety of a player's income, correct? To me getting depressed about not seeing your family for a month and having to live with a bunch of other guys is the same as not being a pro. Some people have it in them and some people don't. | ||
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Shockk
Germany2269 Posts
He went to Korea, he competed, he leaves. His team and manager appear to be ok with it, so his contract probably covers such a case. That he's leaving his team without a captain in the GSL is unfortunate, certainly. But it's not a catastrophe and, let's face it, FXO will need more than moral support and foreigner sympathy to win, they'll get rolled anyway (at least this season). I'd like to know how many of you loud-mouthed protesters would want to go home again - badly! - after having been in Korea for a while, pursuing your "dream" (or how many other progamers that aren't in Korea but would like to). There are several sayings about the downside of dreams coming true; maybe this has happened to Sheth. Anyway, his team accepts it, and so should you. And stop judging Sheth unless you know facts. | ||
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Blacklizard
United States1194 Posts
On July 11 2011 16:09 Sheth wrote: Hey there TL. I wanted to be the first one to explain this, but I guess Josh beat me to it. Last time for Code A I didn't explain everything to the community and problems occurred, so this time I will! (Mostly =D ) I have thoroughly enjoyed my time in KR in the GOM foreigner house playing in both Code A and GSTL. I have had a great time with GSL and all of the wonderful people in Kor. Besides my team I've had the experience to be able to hang out with Tastlesss, Artosis and Torch. There are others of course, but hanging out with those three was a great time. However there were things I was unaware of going into Korea. Several things that have kept me from staying for another Code A at this time and from even going back after NASL. First off I was hoping to have been able to learn Korean better, I bought Rosetta stone even, however in the GOM house there are no CD drives. Thus I couldn't do that and thus I was unable to go do things I had planned on. (I could have read a book on it, or went out of my way in my free time to do this, I just bring this up as something that was disapointing.) Secondly I was expecting to stay here for a month (through all of GSTL) and then go home. However it turned out that there were no flights available from the team for me go go back after GSTL. I don't know how this happened (something to do with buying flights in bulk), but either way I wouldn't have been able to go home after GSTL to see my family for a week before MLG. This was something I had greatly looked forward to while in Korea. Having to stay away for another 2 weeks or so might not seem a big deal, and it wouldn't be for a lot of people however it was for me. I miss my family and friends quite a lot. Thirdly just quite brutally honestly I'm not fit for staying with 10 other guys in a small area constantly for a month mixed in with random 12 hours flights back to America for things such as NASL and then MLG. Its just not something I enjoy at all and I would have put up with it were I able to at least visit home to recharge after GSTL. I realize if anyone is to blame here its me, for not being able to stay in the team house like I had said I would for a whole month. I'm very very sad to have left my team in Korea to finish GSTL without me. This is a dick move. I get it. However try and put yourself in my shoes, that's the only defense I can offer. I will miss my team and the training quite a bit. I can go into plenty of excuses, but the main point is I'm leaving the GOM foreigner house to go home where I can have some privacy, stream more and be all around more relaxed. Those who saw me at NASL can tell I was stressed and tired, hopefully being at home for a while will fix that. I will miss you in Korea team and if in the future I can find a way to live on my own in Korea and go to "work" at the GOM house for the day I'm sure I will try my best to do this. However for now I'm heading home to prepare for MLG in my own way. Hopefully you at TL the reader can respect this and if not I understand. I still have much love for FXO and ofc TL. <3 Sheth I can respect a decision like this... being uncomfortable where you live is something that you can't just sweep away as inconsequential. Get back to your real home, chill out, and take it easy dude. | ||
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Odious_Repeater
Germany32 Posts
On July 12 2011 06:52 fourColo wrote: To me getting depressed about not seeing your family for a month and having to live with a bunch of other guys is the same as not being a pro. Some people have it in them and some people don't. Fair enough, though that stuff comes down to luck really. You can say "some people have it in them and some people don't", but an equally valid explanation is "some people mind and some people don't". If you're one of those people who don't mind (I am one too), then you may just be lucky (or an emotionally detached sociopath, or maybe your family/friends suck - there's plenty of reasons for people to not mind being away from their family/friends). Now, if everyone was equally likely to get equally depressed, but some people managed to pull through anyway through sheer force of will... that I could respect on my own terms. A lot more than some people who simply didn't have a certain emotional response to being away from friends and family. | ||
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fourColo
United States363 Posts
On July 12 2011 06:52 Shockk wrote: I like how every second post is by someone who judges Sheth's decision without knowing anything about the background, the reasons, his contract details or other important information. He went to Korea, he competed, he leaves. His team and manager appear to be ok with it, so his contract probably covers such a case. That he's leaving his team without a captain in the GSL is unfortunate, certainly. But it's not a catastrophe and, let's face it, FXO will need more than moral support and foreigner sympathy to win, they'll get rolled anyway (at least this season). I'd like to know how many of you loud-mouthed protesters would want to go home again - badly! - after having been in Korea for a while, pursuing your "dream" (or how many other progamers that aren't in Korea but would like to). There are several sayings about the downside of dreams coming true; maybe this has happened to Sheth. Anyway, his team accepts it, and so should you. And stop judging Sheth unless you know facts. The people criticizing his decision probably have no problem moving around like most adults his age... I've spent a month in Korea on vacation which is more than Sheth and I lived in youth hostels so it's not like I had a lot of privacy. It was a HUGE highlight of my life. So much good food, tons of friends I'm still in contact with today, amusement parks, free BW to watch, noraebang, TONS of clubs, amazing public transit, palaces, beautiful islands, parks, tours, it was great. I know going to Seoul for SC2 wouldn't be about having fun but being exposed to a different culture is worth it by itself. | ||
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JiPrime
Canada688 Posts
On July 11 2011 16:09 Sheth wrote: Hey there TL. I wanted to be the first one to explain this, but I guess Josh beat me to it. Last time for Code A I didn't explain everything to the community and problems occurred, so this time I will! (Mostly =D ) I have thoroughly enjoyed my time in KR in the GOM foreigner house playing in both Code A and GSTL. I have had a great time with GSL and all of the wonderful people in Kor. Besides my team I've had the experience to be able to hang out with Tastlesss, Artosis and Torch. There are others of course, but hanging out with those three was a great time. However there were things I was unaware of going into Korea. Several things that have kept me from staying for another Code A at this time and from even going back after NASL. First off I was hoping to have been able to learn Korean better, I bought Rosetta stone even, however in the GOM house there are no CD drives. Thus I couldn't do that and thus I was unable to go do things I had planned on. (I could have read a book on it, or went out of my way in my free time to do this, I just bring this up as something that was disapointing.) Secondly I was expecting to stay here for a month (through all of GSTL) and then go home. However it turned out that there were no flights available from the team for me go go back after GSTL. I don't know how this happened (something to do with buying flights in bulk), but either way I wouldn't have been able to go home after GSTL to see my family for a week before MLG. This was something I had greatly looked forward to while in Korea. Having to stay away for another 2 weeks or so might not seem a big deal, and it wouldn't be for a lot of people however it was for me. I miss my family and friends quite a lot. Thirdly just quite brutally honestly I'm not fit for staying with 10 other guys in a small area constantly for a month mixed in with random 12 hours flights back to America for things such as NASL and then MLG. Its just not something I enjoy at all and I would have put up with it were I able to at least visit home to recharge after GSTL. I realize if anyone is to blame here its me, for not being able to stay in the team house like I had said I would for a whole month. I'm very very sad to have left my team in Korea to finish GSTL without me. This is a dick move. I get it. However try and put yourself in my shoes, that's the only defense I can offer. I will miss my team and the training quite a bit. I can go into plenty of excuses, but the main point is I'm leaving the GOM foreigner house to go home where I can have some privacy, stream more and be all around more relaxed. Those who saw me at NASL can tell I was stressed and tired, hopefully being at home for a while will fix that. I will miss you in Korea team and if in the future I can find a way to live on my own in Korea and go to "work" at the GOM house for the day I'm sure I will try my best to do this. However for now I'm heading home to prepare for MLG in my own way. Hopefully you at TL the reader can respect this and if not I understand. I still have much love for FXO and ofc TL. <3 Sheth Ok Sheth. I still respect you as an SC2 pro. Glad to know the whole truth. Good luck with MLG. | ||
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