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On July 12 2011 04:29 Redlol wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2011 04:24 JiPrime wrote:On July 12 2011 04:18 Redlol wrote:On July 12 2011 03:54 JiPrime wrote:On July 12 2011 03:50 Redlol wrote:On July 12 2011 03:40 JiPrime wrote:On July 12 2011 03:35 Redlol wrote:On July 12 2011 03:21 IcedBacon wrote:
Basically just helping to confirm Mr. Chae's statement that foreigners don't have the dedication/sacrifice required to be the very best. Statements like this reek of ignorance. Lets get the Koreans in America, training 10+ hours a day surrounded by people who don't speak their language, and several thousand miles from their families and see how many of them last for a long period of time. The statement that "foreigners" don't have the dedication/sacrifice is stupid, what have the Korean's sacrificed while being able to stay close to home? You can look at TLO's pro-gaming house, and EG's upcoming gaming house(and bootcamp) to see that foreigners have the same dedication, and when a bunch of Koreans are coming across the ocean and living here for months we can compare the levels of sacrifice, but only then. I'm pretty confident that most willing Koreans will stick around in when a GSL-equivalent starts in NA/EU. I'm pretty confident that the world will end tomorrow. Your entire argument is based on you thinking that you know the personal thoughts and opinions of Korean progamers, there isn't any evidence at all to support your claim, and until there is any comparisons are invalid. First of all, I AM Korean and lived there for a decade, so I at least know what the general ideals of them, and second, I actually know one of them in person, but I won't name it here since my reputation is here is... not that great. We have this kind of "American Dream" where a poor Korean becomes successful and return triumphant after moving to a foreign country. So yeah, at least we'll stick around longer, at the very least. I wasn't aware of that attitude, and it does make sense. However, until we actually see the Korean's really sacrificing then Mr. Chae's statement is still just inflammatory without anything backing it up. Hwangsin moves to itsGosu team http://www.playxp.com/sc2/news/view.php?article_id=3175519Rain joins team Fnatic http://www.playxp.com/sc2/news/view.php?article_id=2922960&page=3Yeah I don't see any Koreans making the sacrifice... <.< How long have both of them been living in a foreign country since making that change?
Well they only need to be there like two weeks before they've sacrificed more than Sheth.
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On July 12 2011 04:29 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2011 04:29 Redlol wrote:On July 12 2011 04:24 JiPrime wrote:On July 12 2011 04:18 Redlol wrote:On July 12 2011 03:54 JiPrime wrote:On July 12 2011 03:50 Redlol wrote:On July 12 2011 03:40 JiPrime wrote:On July 12 2011 03:35 Redlol wrote:On July 12 2011 03:21 IcedBacon wrote:
Basically just helping to confirm Mr. Chae's statement that foreigners don't have the dedication/sacrifice required to be the very best. Statements like this reek of ignorance. Lets get the Koreans in America, training 10+ hours a day surrounded by people who don't speak their language, and several thousand miles from their families and see how many of them last for a long period of time. The statement that "foreigners" don't have the dedication/sacrifice is stupid, what have the Korean's sacrificed while being able to stay close to home? You can look at TLO's pro-gaming house, and EG's upcoming gaming house(and bootcamp) to see that foreigners have the same dedication, and when a bunch of Koreans are coming across the ocean and living here for months we can compare the levels of sacrifice, but only then. I'm pretty confident that most willing Koreans will stick around in when a GSL-equivalent starts in NA/EU. I'm pretty confident that the world will end tomorrow. Your entire argument is based on you thinking that you know the personal thoughts and opinions of Korean progamers, there isn't any evidence at all to support your claim, and until there is any comparisons are invalid. First of all, I AM Korean and lived there for a decade, so I at least know what the general ideals of them, and second, I actually know one of them in person, but I won't name it here since my reputation is here is... not that great. We have this kind of "American Dream" where a poor Korean becomes successful and return triumphant after moving to a foreign country. So yeah, at least we'll stick around longer, at the very least. I wasn't aware of that attitude, and it does make sense. However, until we actually see the Korean's really sacrificing then Mr. Chae's statement is still just inflammatory without anything backing it up. Hwangsin moves to itsGosu team http://www.playxp.com/sc2/news/view.php?article_id=3175519Rain joins team Fnatic http://www.playxp.com/sc2/news/view.php?article_id=2922960&page=3Yeah I don't see any Koreans making the sacrifice... <.< How long have both of them been living in a foreign country since making that change? From the best of my knowledge, they don't speak English very well, or have never really lived in a foreign country.
That's what I'm saying is that moving to a new country is a very difficult thing to do on short notice, I don't have any doubt that they'll succeed, but it will be far harder for them to do than anyone is taking notice of. It's not surprising that some people have failed making the transition to Korea, and as we see more Koreans make the move to the US, it won't be surprising if some of them fail to make that transition also.
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How long has SelecT been in the states?
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On July 12 2011 04:33 Redlol wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2011 04:29 JiPrime wrote:On July 12 2011 04:29 Redlol wrote:On July 12 2011 04:24 JiPrime wrote:On July 12 2011 04:18 Redlol wrote:On July 12 2011 03:54 JiPrime wrote:On July 12 2011 03:50 Redlol wrote:On July 12 2011 03:40 JiPrime wrote:On July 12 2011 03:35 Redlol wrote:On July 12 2011 03:21 IcedBacon wrote:
Basically just helping to confirm Mr. Chae's statement that foreigners don't have the dedication/sacrifice required to be the very best. Statements like this reek of ignorance. Lets get the Koreans in America, training 10+ hours a day surrounded by people who don't speak their language, and several thousand miles from their families and see how many of them last for a long period of time. The statement that "foreigners" don't have the dedication/sacrifice is stupid, what have the Korean's sacrificed while being able to stay close to home? You can look at TLO's pro-gaming house, and EG's upcoming gaming house(and bootcamp) to see that foreigners have the same dedication, and when a bunch of Koreans are coming across the ocean and living here for months we can compare the levels of sacrifice, but only then. I'm pretty confident that most willing Koreans will stick around in when a GSL-equivalent starts in NA/EU. I'm pretty confident that the world will end tomorrow. Your entire argument is based on you thinking that you know the personal thoughts and opinions of Korean progamers, there isn't any evidence at all to support your claim, and until there is any comparisons are invalid. First of all, I AM Korean and lived there for a decade, so I at least know what the general ideals of them, and second, I actually know one of them in person, but I won't name it here since my reputation is here is... not that great. We have this kind of "American Dream" where a poor Korean becomes successful and return triumphant after moving to a foreign country. So yeah, at least we'll stick around longer, at the very least. I wasn't aware of that attitude, and it does make sense. However, until we actually see the Korean's really sacrificing then Mr. Chae's statement is still just inflammatory without anything backing it up. Hwangsin moves to itsGosu team http://www.playxp.com/sc2/news/view.php?article_id=3175519Rain joins team Fnatic http://www.playxp.com/sc2/news/view.php?article_id=2922960&page=3Yeah I don't see any Koreans making the sacrifice... <.< How long have both of them been living in a foreign country since making that change? From the best of my knowledge, they don't speak English very well, or have never really lived in a foreign country. That's what I'm saying is that moving to a new country is a very difficult thing to do on short notice, I don't have any doubt that they'll succeed, but it will be far harder for them to do than anyone is taking notice of. It's not surprising that some people have failed making the transition to Korea, and as we see more Koreans make the move to the US, it won't be surprising if some of them fail to make that transition also.
Yeah moving to another country for 1 month as schedule has laid out is very difficult thing. And do you really think FXOBoss just suddenly woke up 1 day and put all the players on the plane to Korea?
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On July 12 2011 04:34 fourColo wrote:
How long has SelecT been in the states?
Isn't he going to school in the USA though?
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On July 12 2011 04:29 Redlol wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2011 04:24 JiPrime wrote:On July 12 2011 04:18 Redlol wrote:On July 12 2011 03:54 JiPrime wrote:On July 12 2011 03:50 Redlol wrote:On July 12 2011 03:40 JiPrime wrote:On July 12 2011 03:35 Redlol wrote:On July 12 2011 03:21 IcedBacon wrote:
Basically just helping to confirm Mr. Chae's statement that foreigners don't have the dedication/sacrifice required to be the very best. Statements like this reek of ignorance. Lets get the Koreans in America, training 10+ hours a day surrounded by people who don't speak their language, and several thousand miles from their families and see how many of them last for a long period of time. The statement that "foreigners" don't have the dedication/sacrifice is stupid, what have the Korean's sacrificed while being able to stay close to home? You can look at TLO's pro-gaming house, and EG's upcoming gaming house(and bootcamp) to see that foreigners have the same dedication, and when a bunch of Koreans are coming across the ocean and living here for months we can compare the levels of sacrifice, but only then. I'm pretty confident that most willing Koreans will stick around in when a GSL-equivalent starts in NA/EU. I'm pretty confident that the world will end tomorrow. Your entire argument is based on you thinking that you know the personal thoughts and opinions of Korean progamers, there isn't any evidence at all to support your claim, and until there is any comparisons are invalid. First of all, I AM Korean and lived there for a decade, so I at least know what the general ideals of them, and second, I actually know one of them in person, but I won't name it here since my reputation is here is... not that great. We have this kind of "American Dream" where a poor Korean becomes successful and return triumphant after moving to a foreign country. So yeah, at least we'll stick around longer, at the very least. I wasn't aware of that attitude, and it does make sense. However, until we actually see the Korean's really sacrificing then Mr. Chae's statement is still just inflammatory without anything backing it up. Hwangsin moves to itsGosu team http://www.playxp.com/sc2/news/view.php?article_id=3175519Rain joins team Fnatic http://www.playxp.com/sc2/news/view.php?article_id=2922960&page=3Yeah I don't see any Koreans making the sacrifice... <.< How long have both of them been living in a foreign country since making that change?
Select has been here since the beta does that count for anything?  And Ddoro?
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On July 12 2011 04:29 storm44 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2011 04:09 P0ckets wrote:
Sheth is a top foreign player and can easily win many of the 1,000-15,000 dollar tournaments that are popping up through out the foreigner scene more easily than attempting to win Code A or Code S, while still making a salary from FXO or some other top team, all be it not a large one. I mean since Idra left the GSL he has made 10,000 dollars in major tournaments winnings( not all 1st ), which is pretty impressive. He probably has also won some other things that have paided out as well. So the Korean scene isn't the only option to make bank That is not true..the whole idea that foreigner tourneys are easier is false since Koreans just come over and win and if Sheth can't win in America then he would have been better off in Korea which would have turned him into beastmode. You guys remember that one of the reasons Idra left Korea was to play in the NASL which he though would be easy money but Koreans completely dominated that tourney and how much did Idra get?? 0 dollars while if he stayed in Code S he would have got a lot more money.
has also to be accounted for the strange organisation of the tourney where you play 3 months worth of games just to get kicked out by someone who played a 2-day (dont know exactly) qualifier. also he makes a lot of money by teaching (last time i read was $300/h) which would be more difficult from korea.
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I understand Sheth, some people are just more introverted than others, and need time to "recharge" after being with people. When there's no place to get away and be alone, you can get really stressed and just feel worn out. I'm still rooting for you and hope you continue to get better and better!
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it's another example of a progamer ignoring commitments they have made not only to their team but to their fans.
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Throwing away a great chance, quite sad.
What I would do for something like that...
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Sucks he isn't going back but honestly I prefer and Good sheth to a BAD sheth. From what Sheth posted it almost seems like it wasn't helping him as much as it could have. Hopefully his time at home will help him recharge so he is in good shape for Anaheim.
It is also very surprising to me that so many people are attacking Sheth... gaming communities always make me scratch my head.
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He'd rather be top 1 NA ladder than struggling in code A. Understandable.
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He's on my team too. Damn
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On July 12 2011 04:02 fourColo wrote:
When I'm 80 and looking back on my life's achievements I really want to look back and say "back in '11 I had the chance to go nuts in Korea, a foreign land drastically different form my own and experience all sorts of new things... sure glad I spent the rest of my life in the town I grew up in living with my parents..."
Or you might say I'm glad I spent more time with the people I care about than spending all my time playing a game and being miserable. Who knows?
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On July 12 2011 04:50 trias_e wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2011 04:02 fourColo wrote:
When I'm 80 and looking back on my life's achievements I really want to look back and say "back in '11 I had the chance to go nuts in Korea, a foreign land drastically different form my own and experience all sorts of new things... sure glad I spent the rest of my life in the town I grew up in living with my parents..." Or you might say I'm glad I spent more time with the people I care about than spending my time playing a game and being miserable. Who knows?
This post is one of the proofs that separates real fans from the casual fans. <.<
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I love Sheth, don't get me wrong, but it really irks me when people don't honor their commitments.
I probably wouldn't like it there anymore than he does, but his team is in Korea right now and, quite frankly, they need him if they want to get any wins in the GSTL.
Doesn't seem very mannered for the manner zerg  .
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He's gotta do what's right for himself. Sure, he's passing up an opportunity that many would kill for, but his personal well being is more important. too bad :\
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Man, he could've done so much more ! Being white in Asia, he could've been an extra in a Korean movie, or got laid simply by speaking proper English, or competed in the Korean Basketball League. shame he left early before experiencing these things :D.
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On July 12 2011 04:50 trias_e wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2011 04:02 fourColo wrote:
When I'm 80 and looking back on my life's achievements I really want to look back and say "back in '11 I had the chance to go nuts in Korea, a foreign land drastically different form my own and experience all sorts of new things... sure glad I spent the rest of my life in the town I grew up in living with my parents..." Or you might say I'm glad I spent more time with the people I care about than spending all my time playing a game and being miserable. Who knows?
Then quit SC2 and be a house child? Staying in Korea doesn't mean you never see your family ever again. It doesn't even mean you stay there forever, heck even staying there until you're eliminated from Code A would be doing more than peacing on his team.
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On July 12 2011 04:36 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2011 04:34 fourColo wrote:
How long has SelecT been in the states? Isn't he going to school in the USA though?
How does that matter?
Living in a foreign country is living in a foreign country, and it can be hard. You force yourself to deal with it, because its your job. Millions of people all over the world do this, some of them like it, some of them hate it. I've worked in Benin/Nigeria/Togo for several years, and while I liked it, most of my colleagues hated every minute of it and would rather be anywhere else. Yet they did it, because they knew what they were signing up for and you know, it's your job. Let's not pretend it's some kind of hell to live in Korea, or that it is some kind of 'sacrifice' that's unique to SC2. In the big scheme of things, 4 weeks in korea is a vacation.
Then again, if you really want to go home, go home, entirely your right and entirely your choice.
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