EPTBeside some rare appearances – none of them really critical – this thread is filled with noobs including myself. Yet Sheth gets a lot of advise. He must wonder how many pro gaming experts exist.
Sheth not returning to Korea from NASL - Page 29
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
Beside some rare appearances – none of them really critical – this thread is filled with noobs including myself. Yet Sheth gets a lot of advise. He must wonder how many pro gaming experts exist. | ||
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Zauvryn
United States18 Posts
This is just another witch-hunting expedition from a drama-mongering community and everyone declaring Sheth a traitor or otherwise insulting this guy should be ashamed. | ||
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IcedBacon
Canada906 Posts
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Enki
United States2548 Posts
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fritos
United States153 Posts
On July 12 2011 03:18 Zauvryn wrote: This is ridiculous. Sheth is a great guy and a great player, and you random people think you are entitled to having him go to a different country and compete for your entertainment? This decision is between Sheth and his team, not anyone else. They've issued statements just to be polite and obviously resolved it amicably based on those statements. This is just another witch-hunting expedition from a drama-mongering community and everyone declaring Sheth a traitor or otherwise insulting this guy should be ashamed. I wrote this earlier. People who criticize for Sheth's decision does not mean they are out to get him. OK..... I like Sheth and used to watch his steam very often. Let me just get that out there. There seem to be 2 types of people here: ones who embraces Seth back and his decision and ones who criticizes his decion. There is no reason for anyone to convince the opposite group because everyone just feels different about his choice and there is right or wrong. Having said that, here's my thought. Regardless which group of people you are in, we all agree that E-sports is getting bigger and we would like others to take this E-sports more seriously. Progamer is a person who plays a video/computer game competitvely for living. This type of job is far more different than just working in a cubicle in the office. This is what Sheth said pretty much: I don't have really good reasons why I'm not returning to Korea. I just don't want to go back . Sheth seems to be missing following qualities as a progamer: 1.Passion to get better every day: practicing in Korea will get you better and some progamer want to come to Korea but they just don't have the finance to do it. It's an opportunity. 2.dedication to your team and teamates: What are you doing to your teamates- most of them are pretty much under the same condition as you were except you got thorough code a qualification. The person with most reason to stay in Korea from Fxo decides to leave for personal discomforts..... 3. love for the game and your fans: There are your fans who cheer and support upon your Korea trip. Watching you play on Gomtv at 3-5 am.... Instead, he rather sits at home, does streaming with commercials, and do some coaching. He is not a fighter. He just wants to do just enough to get by as a progamer. I know and we all agree that he is a nice guy. I'm not arguing that nor his skills but mentally he is as bad as it gets for a progamer. | ||
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steamrice
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
On July 12 2011 03:08 [F_]aths wrote: Sir, which qualification do you have to make such a bold statement? Are you a professional gamer? Do you actually know what Sheth had to do to go so far as he went? Are you into deep enough in the scene so you can compare his move with quitting a job on a lunch brake? Did FXO members tell you that they feel being let down? I'm sorry I expected better from Sheth? | ||
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Longshank
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mindspike
Canada1902 Posts
On July 11 2011 21:05 TotalBiscuit wrote: It's a very bothersome trait of the general SC2 community. Members are quick to leap on and tear apart the slightest thing, whether it be a player, an event, a caster, you name it. Why? Who knows, it's certainly not because they care that much about it, otherwise they'd be providing constructive criticism. A. This is the internet and internet rules apply (i.e mostly anonymous) B. The SC2 community demographic is male teens. I think any community that has these attributes will be plagued with haters. | ||
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Redlol
United States181 Posts
On July 12 2011 03:21 IcedBacon wrote: Basically just helping to confirm Mr. Chae's statement that foreigners don't have the dedication/sacrifice required to be the very best. Statements like this reek of ignorance. Lets get the Koreans in America, training 10+ hours a day surrounded by people who don't speak their language, and several thousand miles from their families and see how many of them last for a long period of time. The statement that "foreigners" don't have the dedication/sacrifice is stupid, what have the Korean's sacrificed while being able to stay close to home? You can look at TLO's pro-gaming house, and EG's upcoming gaming house(and bootcamp) to see that foreigners have the same dedication, and when a bunch of Koreans are coming across the ocean and living here for months we can compare the levels of sacrifice, but only then. | ||
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JiPrime
Canada688 Posts
On July 12 2011 03:35 Redlol wrote: Statements like this reek of ignorance. Lets get the Koreans in America, training 10+ hours a day surrounded by people who don't speak their language, and several thousand miles from their families and see how many of them last for a long period of time. The statement that "foreigners" don't have the dedication/sacrifice is stupid, what have the Korean's sacrificed while being able to stay close to home? You can look at TLO's pro-gaming house, and EG's upcoming gaming house(and bootcamp) to see that foreigners have the same dedication, and when a bunch of Koreans are coming across the ocean and living here for months we can compare the levels of sacrifice, but only then. I'm pretty confident that most willing Koreans will stick around in when a GSL-equivalent starts in NA/EU. What do YOU foreigners have for a GSL-equivalent? That's right, NOTHING. Oh wait, there's IPL but that's foreigner exclusive. Start a GSL-equivalent league in NA/EU, then we'll discuss this further. | ||
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Bigpet
Germany533 Posts
Sheth, please don't take the opinions of these random online people to heart. Most of them don't know anything about the circumstances. Also just because your profession make you an entertainer doesn't mean that you have to give up your privacy to entertain these people. Also to the people talking crap about foreigners just not having the stomach should really rethink what they are saying. We don't have many Koreans to compare that went to a country whose language they don't understand (english doesn't count since they are taught in school to a degree) where they are surrounded by just a handful of people who speak their native language, subject to strict training regiments and have to live in a crowded space with a social dynamic that they might not feel comfortable in. edit: Ninja'd by Redlol | ||
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quen
201 Posts
Luckily for Sheth he's popular enough to make a steady income Destiny-style even if he does leave the prohouse-training regimen. | ||
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CptnObvious
United States54 Posts
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fourColo
United States363 Posts
Everyone defending him should also consider that the rest of his teammates are making the exact same sacrifices that he was expected to make. QXC doesn't speak Korean, probably doesn't know that much about culture, probably doesn't have a big group of friends there and most certainly doesn't have any family there. A lot of people are expecting him to lose many of his games there but he's fighting it out and trying his hardest, win or lose. He's human too, possibly homesick, who knows. But he's fighting it out and pushing himself to get better. | ||
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Redlol
United States181 Posts
On July 12 2011 03:40 JiPrime wrote: I'm pretty confident that most willing Koreans will stick around in when a GSL-equivalent starts in NA/EU. I'm pretty confident that the world will end tomorrow. Your entire argument is based on you thinking that you know the personal thoughts and opinions of Korean progamers, there isn't any evidence at all to support your claim, and until there is any comparisons are invalid. | ||
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amazingoopah
United States1925 Posts
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Chill
Calgary26004 Posts
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Zedex
United Kingdom310 Posts
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JiPrime
Canada688 Posts
On July 12 2011 03:50 Redlol wrote: I'm pretty confident that the world will end tomorrow. Your entire argument is based on you thinking that you know the personal thoughts and opinions of Korean progamers, there isn't any evidence at all to support your claim, and until there is any comparisons are invalid. First of all, I AM Korean and lived there for a decade, so I at least know what the general ideals of them, and second, I actually know one of them in person, but I won't name it here since my reputation is here is... not that great. We have this kind of "American Dream" where a poor Korean becomes successful and return triumphant after moving to a foreign country. So yeah, at least we'll stick around longer, at the very least. | ||
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