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On July 12 2011 00:55 [F_]aths wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2011 00:44 puzzl wrote:
Sorry, Sheth, if you want to compete at the highest level, you are going to have to make some sacrifices, that is the simple truth. No one ever became #1 by running away from difficult situations. We know how hard it must be getting used to living in a team house, but this is a disappointing turn of events.
To me, this read as nothing but a string of petty excuses with one core point—living in a pro-gamer house isn't for you. Then, maybe pro-gaming isn't for you either. It is no secret that the Koreans are now a presence on the global scene, and it order to produce results you are going to have to train like they do. You have *so much* potential as a player, but I'm afraid if you run away from these opportunities then you will never realize it. Still he came farther than most of us. By the way, how much do you know about the sacrificed he already made? It is easy to sit in a chair and demand sacrifices from someone. He owes us nothing. We owe him a lot, for his streaming, for his TL postings, for everything he has done already, including his BO3 versus San. He was able to beat a korean of that level, showing us games one can learn so much from. Impressive.Sheth chose the optimal way for him to practice. He would not be able to deliver results in that environmental, so he made the decision to continue practice in an environment where he can practice. Instead of advise him to make sacrifices, how about to just thank him, wish him luck for his further career and go study his games to improve your zerg play?
We paid for our GSL subscriptions. His flight, stay and appearance in the league was paid for. He received a Code A seed without qualifying. Hell, I haven't even seen his games there, only his first GSTL appearance. How about what he owes? Sure, maybe not to us, but to the GSL, and to his team?
I'm pretty sure no one is demanding that he sacrifices himself and his life in order to compete in Starcraft, but people who thought he was a professional gamer with untapped potential will obviously be disappointed.
And about the last paragraph, which I didn't bold, there's no way you can tell that after two weeks. No way. At all.
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On July 12 2011 01:08 SpiritAshura wrote:
Wow Team Liquid, just wow. I can't believe so many people just write Sheth off because he doesn't want to give up his whole life for SC2. The lack of respect for his decision is pathetic imo. Good luck to Sheth and hopefully he is happier back in Amurrriccaaaa.
How is a couple of weeks or maybe even months giving up your whole life? People go 6 months to a year abroad to study, to train for their job. This is no different.
It's of course Sheths own choice, the only reason why so many people have an opinion on it is because he is in the spotlight on these forums. But in the end he did bail on a training/promo trip for his work. If FXO is really his employer they won't be happy.
I'm curious if this affects the whole Malaysia thing though.
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A lifestyle like that is obviously not for everyone, im sure sheth will continue to do very well nonetheless.
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On July 12 2011 01:21 TooN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2011 01:08 SpiritAshura wrote:
Wow Team Liquid, just wow. I can't believe so many people just write Sheth off because he doesn't want to give up his whole life for SC2. The lack of respect for his decision is pathetic imo. Good luck to Sheth and hopefully he is happier back in Amurrriccaaaa. Yeah cause everyone is filled with positive energy and comments. Sorry but many people like to be real and honest. Those who are so kind and nice take this as an insult. Get thicker skins and take it as a comment and nothing more.
If you don't have anything positive to add why do you even speak? Just throwing shit around for the hell of it seems rather pointless. None of us know enough about the situation that Sheth described to judge if it was a good or bad thing. That's entirely up to him. Complaining about other people's lives which you know nothing about and then calling it "being honest" is just stupid. Of course everyone is entitled to an opinion but if nothing good comes out of expressing it not commenting at all might be a better choice. Hate won't help anyone progress.
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Ret, IdrA, Haypro, Sheth  I'm so disappointed of my Zerg. Guess it's not the race to stick around.
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Aww though I can understand that
Well they still have qxc and twilight  glgl
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On July 12 2011 01:28 canikizu wrote:Ret, IdrA, Haypro, Sheth I'm so disappointed of my Zerg. Guess it's not the race to stick around.
*Insert off-creep joke*
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On July 12 2011 01:25 Coolwhip wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2011 01:08 SpiritAshura wrote:
Wow Team Liquid, just wow. I can't believe so many people just write Sheth off because he doesn't want to give up his whole life for SC2. The lack of respect for his decision is pathetic imo. Good luck to Sheth and hopefully he is happier back in Amurrriccaaaa. How is a couple of weeks or maybe even months giving up your whole life? People go 6 months to a year abroad to study, to train for their job. This is no different.
What? This is no different? Are you dumb? This is completely different. When you go abroad to study for 6 months you do it to immerse yourself in a culture that's different from yours. You'll most likely learn the same shit in the class you're taking so that is irrelevant. It's all about the culture.
Going abroad for 6 months for job training is totally different than going to Korea to play Starcraft. For one, your job isn't as fucking volatile. To win SC2 tournaments you have to be at your best every hour you play & then there's still no guarantee you will win any money to support yourself. To work your job, you just have to show up and you get paid.
Going abroad isn't for Sheth. He's a cool guy and you all really need to fuck off. He doesn't owe you anything. Quit judging him on this one decision.
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On July 12 2011 01:33 Joementum wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2011 01:25 Coolwhip wrote:On July 12 2011 01:08 SpiritAshura wrote:
Wow Team Liquid, just wow. I can't believe so many people just write Sheth off because he doesn't want to give up his whole life for SC2. The lack of respect for his decision is pathetic imo. Good luck to Sheth and hopefully he is happier back in Amurrriccaaaa. How is a couple of weeks or maybe even months giving up your whole life? People go 6 months to a year abroad to study, to train for their job. This is no different. What? This is no different? Are you dumb?
I wish I didn't read past that testament to your intelligence. 'You just show up and get paid durr' Ok man.
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On July 12 2011 01:36 Coolwhip wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2011 01:33 Joementum wrote:On July 12 2011 01:25 Coolwhip wrote:On July 12 2011 01:08 SpiritAshura wrote:
Wow Team Liquid, just wow. I can't believe so many people just write Sheth off because he doesn't want to give up his whole life for SC2. The lack of respect for his decision is pathetic imo. Good luck to Sheth and hopefully he is happier back in Amurrriccaaaa. How is a couple of weeks or maybe even months giving up your whole life? People go 6 months to a year abroad to study, to train for their job. This is no different. What? This is no different? Are you dumb? I wish I didn't read past that testament to your intelligence. 'You just show up and get paid durr' Ok man.
That is how most of the jobs in today's society are. There's very little, if any, critical thinking involved in jobs. Most jobs are just "follow these instructions and you'll be done in a few hours!" or "browse the internet all day!" I take it you haven't gotten past college yet, have you?
Edit - It's always fun to insult people and completely ignore everything they said because you know it's right.
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back then, when going pro to korea was hard as fuck, foreigners would sweat, and struggle, and keep practicing, eager for the next courage league which was as hard to win as fucking Code A in sc2 or for an appearance in any league if they were lucky enough, they wouldnt give up so easily as kids do today.
today so many sponsors, so many global tournaments make foreigners "lazy", and thats why koreans will keep dominating at least until sc3, living in another country with another culture, far from friends and family is not for everybody, but if you can't be determined on that regard, you would better stop playing for money, starcraft is not for pussies, it's for hardworkers.
but I guess we can't be too harsh on them, since going to korea now is seen as a trip with friends to play some videogame and win some bucks, rather than a chance to excel at something you are suposed to love.
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He was the quite chubby hope of foreigners.
Now he's just a fat quitter...
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I feel like Sheth is catching more crap than he would have normally for this decision because of how hot of a topic the Korean vs the World is right now. Over the past few weeks this has been in so many threads following Korean domination in NA events, Huk's winning and his "Korean-ness". It seems as though the community has concluded that the strict Korean training style is needed to compete at the highest level. Had this been a few months ago I don't think we'd be as critical of his decision because this conclusion was in our minds but not as concrete as it is now. Sheth isn't the first person to leave Korea but I don't recall the others getting critisized as badly and I'd argue this was because we did not realize the beast that is the Korean way of training. Either way, though, if he was going to practice like a Korean in Korea there's no doubt he'd improve greatly. However! I am confident he can train hard in NA and hopefully be a pioneer for the emergence of an NA scene that practices hard.
Sheth is soooo manner. His stream is like listening to a flowing river in a meadow. Let's not be too harsh.
Edit: I'd like to add that when I say "the emergence of an NA scene that practices hard" I am not knocking how hard the NA players practices now. Instead, I think it is necessary for them and the teams to adopt strict practicing schedules and to move into pro houses...
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Kind of a shame, sheth is definitely the strongest player on that team.
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FXO Boss is a business guy who knows the time (befor the other guy) and how to word a message to let others understand it (short tight sentences without positive words). These kind of statements are usual when the business partners have a difficult time and are very likely to seperate ways. You should not be surprised if either of these both ends the relationship.
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You can't really blame him if he's doing what he feels is right for himself. It's just unfortunate for FXOpen i suppose.
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Dominican Republic913 Posts
On July 11 2011 17:39 sickle wrote:
And this is why, unfortunately, the foreign scene will never be as good as the Korean. The captain of the team deserts them, and the majority of the community is saying that he did the right thing. It's pretty embarrassing, especially considering many many others would love to have such an opportunity.
yes, agree at least finnish your contract and come back home. many ppl wants this opportunity.
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Very sad to hear this, Sheth is one of my favourite players and was hoping he'd knuckle down and get some serious training done in korea.
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Dominican Republic913 Posts
On July 11 2011 18:07 JYN wrote:
This is very disappointing news. He is not only forgoing a rare opportunity to train with his team in Korea, but he is also abandoning his team in the GSTL as well as giving up his spot in the GSL Code A. Not to mention he is also bailing as the team's ace player and the team's best zerg coach/training partner.
Korea might be a difficult experience, but guess what?, Sheth's full time job is to be a professional gamer representing FXO. I am sure many of us have had to make sacrifices on our jobs and progaming should be no exception, especially if we want e-sports to be taken more seriously. I am sure if any of us pulled this on our jobs, we'd be cleaning our desks the very next day. Two weeks is certainly not enough and I can say that is was a disrespectful move to bail on the team especially after the organization flew him back to the US for NASL and I am sure booked a return ticket for him for Korea. Not many players have the privilege for that type of financial backing and I am sure none of this was a cheap investment.
I apologize for sounding a bit harsh in advance if Sheth had more severe reasons to not return to Korea, but the biggest loser is certainly the fans. Maybe Sheth isn't someone I should be rooting for. Looking forward to Naniwa, Thorzain, Fenix, and Sase in August.
i could not agree more, well said
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I respect Sheth's decsion. It sort of put's perspective on what Huk and Jinro are doing. They are taking it very seriously. If I was striving to be a pro sc2 gamer I'd try and stay in south korea as long as possible. For all we know SC2 could last as long as brood war. There are some tournys to be won now but what about what the future will bring? Even more prize money. The people who get that 2-3 years + to come will be the people who have practiced the most.
Reminds me of the begining of NASL with Tastless saying he dropped out of college broke up with his g/f then moved to south korea to follow his dream. Look at Tasteless now! I'm sure Tasteless is very proud of his decsion.
Luckily there is a big scene in NA, maybe some team houses can be put up in America? I think an important part of team houses though is to have a coach. It'd be hard to practice all day with a bunch of friends with no one to really push you.
I wish all the best of luck to Sheth! Hopefully he will keep improving cause he is so nice and I love nice people!!!
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