EPTSheth not returning to Korea from NASL - Page 26
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Valikyr
Sweden2653 Posts
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Bijan
United States286 Posts
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
On July 12 2011 00:44 puzzl wrote: Still he came farther than most of us.Sorry, Sheth, if you want to compete at the highest level, you are going to have to make some sacrifices, that is the simple truth. No one ever became #1 by running away from difficult situations. We know how hard it must be getting used to living in a team house, but this is a disappointing turn of events. To me, this read as nothing but a string of petty excuses with one core point—living in a pro-gamer house isn't for you. Then, maybe pro-gaming isn't for you either. It is no secret that the Koreans are now a presence on the global scene, and it order to produce results you are going to have to train like they do. You have *so much* potential as a player, but I'm afraid if you run away from these opportunities then you will never realize it. By the way, how much do you know about the sacrificed he already made? It is easy to sit in a chair and demand sacrifices from someone. He owes us nothing. We owe him a lot, for his streaming, for his TL postings, for everything he has done already, including his BO3 versus San. He was able to beat a korean of that level, showing us games one can learn so much from. Impressive. Sheth chose the optimal way for him to practice. He would not be able to deliver results in that environmental, so he made the decision to continue practice in an environment where he can practice. Instead of advise him to make sacrifices, how about to just thank him, wish him luck for his further career and go study his games to improve your zerg play? | ||
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seoul_kiM
United States545 Posts
On July 12 2011 00:51 UNeeK wrote: this is why i wish everyone had to serve in the military like in Korea, get away from their families so they can learn to be independent and survive outside of their comfort zone... learning to succeed outside of your comfort zone is probably the best lesson the military has taught me, and im not trolling - seriously, people need to be challenged.. I feel like Sheth's been a bit too spoiled or something if he couldn't handle a few months in another country with a bunch of teammates and the internet where he can actually communicate with his family just fine... It's disrespectful to think in that way because while Koreans are proud of their military service it's still extremely sad to see sons going off for service every year for their families. Koreans have to do this to be ready to defend their nations, they don't do this because they want to experience independence for themselves. Get it right. I have an uncle who died while serving their military service in Korea and I never got to meet him. My entire family in the United States and in Korea are worried sick about two of my cousins who are currently serving because of the recent rise of tensions. Don't say things like (I wish everyone blah blah blah) because nothing is fit for everyone. If Sheth couldn't handle being in a foreign environment where everything is different and had a hard time adjusting, it's his own choice. People can challenge themselves in other ways and you did it through the military and others do it through things like Gaming and such. Many Koreans are making their first trips outside of Korea for foreign tournaments and I guarantee even those who served in the military would be uncomfortable and would find it hard to adjust even to an open society like the United States. It's different from seeing and interacting with your family and Skyping with them. I was studying abroad in Europe for a year and at times was extremely home-sick and also my dad is in Korea for half the year at a time so I know how it feels to actually be with someone and to just skype with them. Your post comes off a bit ignorant in my opinion. | ||
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seoul_kiM
United States545 Posts
On July 12 2011 00:54 TanGeng wrote: So basically no-one will ever buy a retail version of the SC2. Only digital version. Basically yea...haha... | ||
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RogerChillingworth
3011 Posts
On July 12 2011 00:44 puzzl wrote: Sorry, Sheth, if you want to compete at the highest level, you are going to have to make some sacrifices, that is the simple truth. No one ever became #1 by running away from difficult situations. We know how hard it must be getting used to living in a team house, but this is a disappointing turn of events. To me, this read as nothing but a string of petty excuses with one core point—living in a pro-gamer house isn't for you. Then, maybe pro-gaming isn't for you either. It is no secret that the Koreans are now a presence on the global scene, and it order to produce results you are going to have to train like they do. You have *so much* potential as a player, but I'm afraid if you run away from these opportunities then you will never realize it. I think it's safe to assume not every professional gamer wants to be the best? It's like expecting everyone who works at a pharmaceutical company to actively seek a cure for cancer. If you're making a good living enjoying what you do, with a big fan base and contribution to the community, it's not unreasonable not to want to sour it in living conditions you're uncomfortable with, with practice regiments you're not on board with. | ||
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firexfred
United States78 Posts
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sVnteen
Germany2238 Posts
HE WAS THE (almost) ONLY HOPE FOR FXO TO WIN A MATCH IN GSTL NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO now we have to rely on qxc and Oz with oz not even representing the foreigners really | ||
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Dagobert
Netherlands1858 Posts
On July 11 2011 15:58 ZidaneTribal wrote: a lot of people just dont want to change their life style, especially since now we have a lot of sc2 tournys in NA scene But unless you switch to a harcore (Korean) practice routine, you aren't going to win them.  Too bad, I think Sheth could've improved a lot there. As pretty much every other player out there. Work ethic, yo.Edit: Cool, I'm a lurker now. Hah! | ||
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RebelMusic
United States66 Posts
On July 12 2011 00:51 UNeeK wrote: this is why i wish everyone had to serve in the military like in Korea, get away from their families so they can learn to be independent and survive outside of their comfort zone... learning to succeed outside of your comfort zone is probably the best lesson the military has taught me, and im not trolling - seriously, people need to be challenged.. I feel like Sheth's been a bit too spoiled or something if he couldn't handle a few months in another country with a bunch of teammates and the internet where he can actually communicate with his family just fine... I have to agree with this post. Also i would argue that this isn't a personal decision at all, it was a personal decision when he decided to sign his name on a contract, it became a business decision when the ink dried. Professionally this is inexcusable, imo. You knew exactly what you were in store for and if you did not then im afraid that is your own fault. Either way the consequences of your actions need to be seen through. I don't want to pretend to know how Sheth or anyone else was raised up but as i was always taught when you make a commitment you see it through. Your 'comfort' or personal needs cease to matter (barring the most extreme of cases i.e. family illness). If it was the case that Sheth was mislead in some way i could see grounds for breaking the terms of the agreement but somehow i find this very unlikely. Sheth is extremely likable and i wish him nothing but success but im extremely disappointed in his choice. | ||
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puzzl
United States263 Posts
On July 12 2011 00:55 [F_]aths wrote: Still he came farther than most of us. By the way, how much do you know about the sacrificed he already made? It is easy to sit in a chair and demand sacrifices from someone. He owes us nothing. We owe him a lot, for his streaming, for his TL postings, for everything he has done already, including his BO3 versus San. He was able to beat a korean of that level, showing us games one can learn so much from. Impressive. Sheth chose the optimal way for him to practice. He would not be able to deliver results in that environmental, so he made the decision to continue practice in an environment where he can practice. I demand nothing of anyone. What Sheth does is Sheth's choice. I am merely stating a reality. I do think it is disappointing that he has left his team high and dry because he wasn't properly able to evaluate his tendencies before making a commitment. I am still a fan, I just hope this serves as an example for others heading to Korea to a team house that they need to think long and hard about whether they can truly be dedicated enough to make things happen. I think that if Sheth toughed it out for another couple months he'd start to get used to it and even enjoy it. Making a big move like this is never fun, but you learn to cope, and then you learn to have fun. | ||
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SpiritAshura
United States1271 Posts
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Grend
1600 Posts
Whether Sheth did the right thing or not is impossible to say, but I think it is sort of weak to just say that since he decided to go home, it obviously has to be the best decision since that was what he decided for and since it mainly impacts himself. That is like saying noone ever can be persuaded into changing their opinion and that that never can have a positive outcome. | ||
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FXOpen
Australia1844 Posts
However, there are alot of false facts in this thread. Weird perspectives about professionalism and strange insights into a country that people probably know little about. Perhaps I shouldn't have let the cat out of the bag, but I kind of had to avoid the "Wheres sheth" questions by posting this. Guys chill out. I don't even think that this thread requires much of a response. | ||
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canikizu
4860 Posts
Note to FXO: prepare a CD-ROM in FXO house in Malaysia, or Sheth won't come. | ||
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JiYan
United States3668 Posts
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ReaperX
Hong Kong1758 Posts
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On July 12 2011 01:08 SpiritAshura wrote: Wow Team Liquid, just wow. I can't believe so many people just write Sheth off because he doesn't want to give up his whole life for SC2. The lack of respect for his decision is pathetic imo. Good luck to Sheth and hopefully he is happier back in Amurrriccaaaa. I think it has more to do with us being disappointed with this. Sheth was getting really good lately and going to Korea to train might have made him into the next Idra. So it is disappointing to see him throw this away. And some people display their disappointment in a more rough manner. | ||
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Denzil
United Kingdom4193 Posts
On July 11 2011 16:09 Sheth wrote: Hey there TL. I wanted to be the first one to explain this, but I guess Josh beat me to it. Last time for Code A I didn't explain everything to the community and problems occurred, so this time I will! (Mostly =D ) I have thoroughly enjoyed my time in KR in the GOM foreigner house playing in both Code A and GSTL. I have had a great time with GSL and all of the wonderful people in Kor. Besides my team I've had the experience to be able to hang out with Tastlesss, Artosis and Torch. There are others of course, but hanging out with those three was a great time. However there were things I was unaware of going into Korea. Several things that have kept me from staying for another Code A at this time and from even going back after NASL. First off I was hoping to have been able to learn Korean better, I bought Rosetta stone even, however in the GOM house there are no CD drives. Thus I couldn't do that and thus I was unable to go do things I had planned on. (I could have read a book on it, or went out of my way in my free time to do this, I just bring this up as something that was disapointing.) Secondly I was expecting to stay here for a month (through all of GSTL) and then go home. However it turned out that there were no flights available from the team for me go go back after GSTL. I don't know how this happened (something to do with buying flights in bulk), but either way I wouldn't have been able to go home after GSTL to see my family for a week before MLG. This was something I had greatly looked forward to while in Korea. Having to stay away for another 2 weeks or so might not seem a big deal, and it wouldn't be for a lot of people however it was for me. I miss my family and friends quite a lot. Thirdly just quite brutally honestly I'm not fit for staying with 10 other guys in a small area constantly for a month mixed in with random 12 hours flights back to America for things such as NASL and then MLG. Its just not something I enjoy at all and I would have put up with it were I able to at least visit home to recharge after GSTL. I realize if anyone is to blame here its me, for not being able to stay in the team house like I had said I would for a whole month. I'm very very sad to have left my team in Korea to finish GSTL without me. This is a dick move. I get it. However try and put yourself in my shoes, that's the only defense I can offer. I will miss my team and the training quite a bit. I can go into plenty of excuses, but the main point is I'm leaving the GOM foreigner house to go home where I can have some privacy, stream more and be all around more relaxed. Those who saw me at NASL can tell I was stressed and tired, hopefully being at home for a while will fix that. I will miss you in Korea team and if in the future I can find a way to live on my own in Korea and go to "work" at the GOM house for the day I'm sure I will try my best to do this. However for now I'm heading home to prepare for MLG in my own way. Hopefully you at TL the reader can respect this and if not I understand. I still have much love for FXO and ofc TL. <3 Sheth So Sheth please enlighten up as to what you have learned from your time in Korea. Will you be putting this into your usual practice schedule? Will it help as preparation for MLG? Will you be winning MLG  ? | ||
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TooN
1046 Posts
On July 12 2011 01:08 SpiritAshura wrote: Wow Team Liquid, just wow. I can't believe so many people just write Sheth off because he doesn't want to give up his whole life for SC2. The lack of respect for his decision is pathetic imo. Good luck to Sheth and hopefully he is happier back in Amurrriccaaaa. Yeah cause everyone is filled with positive energy and comments. Sorry but many people like to be real and honest. Those who are so kind and nice take this as an insult. Get thicker skins and take it as a comment and nothing more. | ||
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