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Autotroph
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom940 Posts
July 11 2011 14:50 GMT
#461
It's Sheth's choice, and his alone. Clearly his team are happy for him to return to the US, so it's really frustrating seeing people try to BM him for this.
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RubiksCube
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Germany259 Posts
July 11 2011 14:54 GMT
#462
On July 11 2011 23:45 FXOpen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 23:44 RubiksCube wrote:
On July 11 2011 23:40 djfoxmccloud wrote:
On July 11 2011 23:35 RubiksCube wrote:


People acting up as if it was there money that was put into his stay in Korea or if it was their chance at training with the best was wasted.


Just wanting to say that there is also people that just think that you can atleast stay away from your home 1 month and finish what you started.

Just want to know what you think about that ? Even if it is hard, what is difficult in staying ONE SINGLE MONTH to finish GSTL ?


Well, I think Sheth actually explained his reasoning in the post he made.

He wanted to go visit/stay with his family before MLG. There were no flights after finishing the GSTL. There was a flight to visit NASL. So he decided not to stay the next 14 days.

I dont think Sheth would've minded to stay the last part of a frigging month. I don't think that is his point entirely that he was somehow scared to go back to that pro house. He just knew he was going to end it after the scheduled stay and he took the chance to fly home when he was flying anyways. In a sense, by taking that decision and not moving back to korea only to quit half a month later he even saved the team some money.



no money was saved...


That's why I wrote "in a sense" and not that it was a fact. As in you're potentially saving the money for the flight back to korea and than to MLG again. Of course you'll most likely already have paid for these flights beforehand and/or the actual tournaments pay/paid/would've paid for these flights.
eNtitY~
Profile Joined January 2007
United States1293 Posts
July 11 2011 14:55 GMT
#463
It does suck that he couldn't at least finish out the GSTL for his team, with all FXO does for its players.
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kommunalka
Profile Joined February 2011
United States550 Posts
July 11 2011 14:56 GMT
#464
GL Sheth... not every practice/ house environment works for everyone....
don't sweat the small stuff, keyboard on lap and on to glory!
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skrzmark
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1528 Posts
July 11 2011 14:59 GMT
#465
Sheth knocked out one of my favorite players San, and since Sheth is not using that spot that sucks to be San who now has to re-qualify.

Poll: Should San Still be in Code A?

Nooo! (32)
 
59%

Yes! (22)
 
41%

54 total votes

Your vote: Should San Still be in Code A?

(Vote): Yes!
(Vote): Nooo!



We got them GOM TvT's and them mlGG's
BlueSpace
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2182 Posts
July 11 2011 15:00 GMT
#466
On July 11 2011 23:30 ABPID wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 23:24 -Archangel- wrote:
On July 11 2011 23:19 ABPID wrote:
On July 11 2011 22:54 BlueSpace wrote:
On July 11 2011 21:32 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On July 11 2011 21:27 Linwelin wrote:
Yep, Sheth going back home is hurting ESPORTS


Sacrifice your life upon the altar of ESPORTS. GAMES FOR THE GAME GOD, NUBS FOR THE NUBTHRONE!


I know that this is meant in a sarcastic way but I think it is an open question of how much a pro player needs to sacrifice in order to be highly competitive in SC2.

I made an earlier post without realizing that Sheth had already clarified why he is going back. I read the post now and it seems indeed personal reasons are the issue. While this is perfectly understandable, it still begs the question what is the alternative.

Is it possible to compete with the korean style training by "doing it yourself" at home? I don't think that pros in the west are lazier per se then korean pros. This is often an argument which is thrown around in this forum. But tournament results so far seem to indicate that the korean training method simply works better.

To reiterate the main point of my original post. Sometimes you have to make sacrifices for your career. That is not just true for esports. So I think it is reasonable to question Sheth decision and to be critical of it.

The blind hate and silliness some people are exhibiting in this thread is of course stupid and uncalled for.

There seem to be two discussions going on here. Firstly, is it possible to compete by DIY at home? Probably not, I'd say. But I doubt anyone is pretending you can here. Secondly, the discussion about Sheth's decision. Everybody here knows he can only achieve his true potential in sc2 by training in Korea(and that is apart from whether he would succeed with serious personal issues). However, does he have to sacrifice his personal life in order to further his career?

That is his own decision. And I think it's a wise decision not to. WhiteRa might be better at sc2 if he wasn't married and didn't have any sort of personal life. But that doesn't mean he shouldn't be married and have any sort of personal life.

The problem is some in the community somehow feel entitled and think every gamer should sacrifice everything he has, just so they can see some better games from him. This, I feel, is ridiculous. In normal careers, you respect people for balancing their work and their personal life. I feel we should do this too in the sc2 community.

This is well said, but you cannot compare eports with normal career, but with other sports. And in other sports it takes a HUGE sacrifice to be the best that you can be and earn big bucks (for sports that allow this) or good bucks for most sports.

I read countless interview with people from different sports and they all say the same. They made sacrifices to get to where they are. There is no way around this.

Of course they have to make sacrifices. But I know several soccer players who don't make every sacrifice they can make. One in particular is well known to drink and smoke a lot. He still is the best player at one of the best clubs in the Netherlands. Could he be better if he didn't drink and smoke? Yes. But he's happy the way it is now and nobody feels entitled to say he must stop smoking and drinking. It's just the way it is.

I also understand your point about sports being different. Sports require a lot more sacrifices than other careers. But that doesn't mean it requires every sacrifice that one can make. And I dare say Sheth has made a lot of sacrifices already.


He has sacrificed more then probably 99% of the people arguing in this thread for sure. But in his post the reason for not flying back seems to boil down to the fact that FXOpen was unable to provide him with a ticket to return home before MLG to see his family.

And I think that you can be critical of that. Again... Sheth himself knows best what is good for him but let me say that I'm surprised by how calmly FXOpen seems to react to the fact that Sheth is not returning to Korea because of that.

I do not know what their agreement with GomTV is but when I saw the GSTL schedule the first time I noticed right away that FXOpen plays every week the first couple of weeks without a break in between. I'm quite sure that was done on purpose for the benefit of FXOpen.
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AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-11 15:06:27
July 11 2011 15:05 GMT
#467
Korea isn't for the faint hearted.

Hope the other guys stick it out, with Malaysia as well. They'll improve so much as a team.

Bluebush
Profile Joined March 2011
United States218 Posts
July 11 2011 15:06 GMT
#468
Best of luck back in the States! I'll be rooting for you
Gurblechev
Profile Joined May 2011
188 Posts
July 11 2011 15:08 GMT
#469
On July 11 2011 23:59 skrzmark wrote:
Sheth knocked out one of my favorite players San, and since Sheth is not using that spot that sucks to be San who now has to re-qualify.

Poll: Should San Still be in Code A?

Nooo! (32)
 
59%

Yes! (22)
 
41%

54 total votes

Your vote: Should San Still be in Code A?

(Vote): Yes!
(Vote): Nooo!




Ah, now that you mention this it makes Sheth's lack of dedication even more painful.

It makes me wish he had just stayed in America all along.
DuckS
Profile Joined September 2010
United States845 Posts
July 11 2011 15:13 GMT
#470
that sucks man.. arguably their strongest player too :/
"You foiled us this time Americans, but your liberty will not protect your Marilyn Monroe forever - our Queen must FEED!" - Deleuze
trias_e
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States520 Posts
July 11 2011 15:14 GMT
#471
One thing that bothers me about some of the reactions in this thread is their assumption that basically everyone is the same. Everyone will benefit from the Korean training style. Everyone is best off in a small team house with no privacy.

Some people are going to be better off without it. People have different personalities (gasp!) and for some, having no privacy and living with 12 people in cramped conditions will simply not allow you to grow as a player or operate optimally as a person.

It is unfortunate that Sheth left early, as I do believe that he does have some responsibility to his team to stay, but otherwise Sheth knows what's best for Sheth and those who are bashing him over that are only showing their own immaturity and closed-mindedness.
seoul_kiM
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States545 Posts
July 11 2011 15:19 GMT
#472
On July 12 2011 00:14 trias_e wrote:
One thing that bothers me about some of the reactions in this thread is their assumption that basically everyone is the same. Everyone will benefit from the Korean training style. Everyone is best off in a small team house with no privacy.

Some people are going to be better off without it. People have different personalities (gasp!) and for some, having no privacy and living with 12 people in cramped conditions will simply not allow you to grow as a player or operate optimally as a person.

It is unfortunate that Sheth left early, as I do believe that he does have some responsibility to his team to stay, but otherwise Sheth knows what's best for Sheth and those who are bashing him over that are only showing their own immaturity and closed-mindedness.


I don't think people assume equal personalities but people are just stating the fact that Korea is the best place to train for SC2 and this might hurt Sheth's chances at becoming the player Huk or Jinro has become with the Korean training. If you actually purely consider SC2 and training, Korea is the best and the best style. The results show it and there's no denying it.

Also, I think most people are being supportive of Sheth's decision. He had good reasons and if his life isn't up for the task of Korea then it's his choice.
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snailz
Profile Joined April 2011
Croatia900 Posts
July 11 2011 15:20 GMT
#473
On July 11 2011 23:45 FXOpen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 23:44 RubiksCube wrote:
On July 11 2011 23:40 djfoxmccloud wrote:
On July 11 2011 23:35 RubiksCube wrote:


People acting up as if it was there money that was put into his stay in Korea or if it was their chance at training with the best was wasted.


Just wanting to say that there is also people that just think that you can atleast stay away from your home 1 month and finish what you started.

Just want to know what you think about that ? Even if it is hard, what is difficult in staying ONE SINGLE MONTH to finish GSTL ?


Well, I think Sheth actually explained his reasoning in the post he made.

He wanted to go visit/stay with his family before MLG. There were no flights after finishing the GSTL. There was a flight to visit NASL. So he decided not to stay the next 14 days.

I dont think Sheth would've minded to stay the last part of a frigging month. I don't think that is his point entirely that he was somehow scared to go back to that pro house. He just knew he was going to end it after the scheduled stay and he took the chance to fly home when he was flying anyways. In a sense, by taking that decision and not moving back to korea only to quit half a month later he even saved the team some money.


no money was saved...


did Sheth's ticket go to Choya? if yes, well played.
"I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch." - intrigue
leova
Profile Joined April 2011
266 Posts
July 11 2011 15:22 GMT
#474
On July 11 2011 16:09 Sheth wrote:
However there were things I was unaware of going into Korea. Several things that have kept me from staying for another Code A at this time and from even going back after NASL. First off I was hoping to have been able to learn Korean better, I bought Rosetta stone even, however in the GOM house there are no CD drives. Thus I couldn't do that and thus I was unable to go do things I had planned on. (I could have read a book on it, or went out of my way in my free time to do this, I just bring this up as something that was disapointing.)


probably the most disturbing part of the thread - what kinda internet-gaming training house doesn't have CD DRIVES on their computers?

what the hell?
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
July 11 2011 15:23 GMT
#475
On July 12 2011 00:22 leova wrote:

probably the most disturbing part of the thread - what kinda internet-gaming training house doesn't have CD DRIVES on their computers?

what the hell?


the cd is pretty much becoming obsolete
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Kazeyonoma
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2912 Posts
July 11 2011 15:24 GMT
#476
gahhh time to change my trades this week for fantasy lol
I now have autographs of both BoxeR and NaDa. I can die happy. Lim Yo Hwan and Lee Yun Yeol FIGHTING forever!
trias_e
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States520 Posts
July 11 2011 15:25 GMT
#477
On July 12 2011 00:19 seoul_kiM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2011 00:14 trias_e wrote:
One thing that bothers me about some of the reactions in this thread is their assumption that basically everyone is the same. Everyone will benefit from the Korean training style. Everyone is best off in a small team house with no privacy.

Some people are going to be better off without it. People have different personalities (gasp!) and for some, having no privacy and living with 12 people in cramped conditions will simply not allow you to grow as a player or operate optimally as a person.

It is unfortunate that Sheth left early, as I do believe that he does have some responsibility to his team to stay, but otherwise Sheth knows what's best for Sheth and those who are bashing him over that are only showing their own immaturity and closed-mindedness.


I don't think people assume equal personalities but people are just stating the fact that Korea is the best place to train for SC2 and this might hurt Sheth's chances at becoming the player Huk or Jinro has become with the Korean training. If you actually purely consider SC2 and training, Korea is the best and the best style. The results show it and there's no denying it.

Also, I think most people are being supportive of Sheth's decision. He had good reasons and if his life isn't up for the task of Korea then it's his choice.


You're somewhat missing my point though. It's possible that Sheth would be worse off if he stayed in that environment not only as a person, but also as a player. While it's true that the best players in the world thrived in that environment, it doesn't mean that every player will thrive in it. It's a fallacy to assume that everyone will become a better player in the korean training environment, just because the best players came from it.
r_con
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States824 Posts
July 11 2011 15:25 GMT
#478
to see his family? really, this is his job, some people make far greater sacrifices for less. Opportunities like this come up only once in your life, he was given the opportunity to train in an environment that would close to guarantee success In international tournaments. My ex's dad went to Europe for 2 years, and only came back for 2 week's a year.

Sacrifices, people, are we all just spoiled gamers that don't want to fucking work for a living? I work a full time job and am currently getting through college by doing online courses. Dedicating probably 60-70 hours a week to purely working.

And then someone bitches that they couldn't see their family for a week?...... this is your job, welcome to the real world. This worries me because I see too many people given opportunities and squandering them. If players continue to do this, and organizations don't put their foot down, then Koreans will continue to be top, and it will continue, and the disparity will get larger and larger, cause they will have practiced harder and better.
Flash Fan!
PartyBiscuit
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada4525 Posts
July 11 2011 15:26 GMT
#479
I knew he wasn't going to stay, but I was really hoping Sheth would just play out the remaining GSTL.
the farm ends here
awha
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1358 Posts
July 11 2011 15:28 GMT
#480
On July 12 2011 00:22 leova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 16:09 Sheth wrote:
However there were things I was unaware of going into Korea. Several things that have kept me from staying for another Code A at this time and from even going back after NASL. First off I was hoping to have been able to learn Korean better, I bought Rosetta stone even, however in the GOM house there are no CD drives. Thus I couldn't do that and thus I was unable to go do things I had planned on. (I could have read a book on it, or went out of my way in my free time to do this, I just bring this up as something that was disapointing.)


probably the most disturbing part of the thread - what kinda internet-gaming training house doesn't have CD DRIVES on their computers?

what the hell?


I honestly cant remember the last time I used my CD/DVD drive for something I could not have downloaded. At least not in the last year
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