Sheth not returning to Korea from NASL - Page 23

On July 11 2011 23:24 -Archangel- wrote:

This is well said, but you cannot compare eports with normal career, but with other sports. And in other sports it takes a HUGE sacrifice to be the best that you can be and earn big bucks (for sports that allow this) or good bucks for most sports.

I read countless interview with people from different sports and they all say the same. They made sacrifices to get to where they are. There is no way around this.

On July 11 2011 23:27 Benkestok wrote:
To be honest i find it pathethic. Alot of time, cash, faith was put into Sheth, so he could live his dream in Korea. Two weeks later he decide to call quits, and announces it when he is back in USA, so they cant talk him back into staying, for atleast a while longer. So childish.

On July 11 2011 23:29 Odious_Repeater wrote:
I've been reading TL for the longest time but only now have I found (thanks Totalbiscuit) a thread where there's enough insanity going on for me to feel obligated to post. There's a few things I really feel are important to keep in mind when passing judgement on Sheth as a professional individual.

1.) Superficially analogous situations aren't necessarily actually analogous.

I've lived away from my home country/family/friends for extended periods of time during my life. In fact, I'm currently living in the UK but am not from here originally. Last time I was overseas was when I lived in Canada. My stay in Canada sucked, and I wanted to go home. My stay in the UK is going really well and I don't mind being here. There's a lot to be said about the details of any circumstance, and my situation proves - to me at least - that I shouldn't be generalizing about "staying overseas", because my various experiences of extended stays away from home have felt so different to me. So how would Sheth prepare for what it's like to be in that very situation if he's never been in it before? And even if he has, there can be enough differences between two seemingly similar situations for one to be okay and the other to be ass.

Equally, just because you've been in situations that you think mirror the one Sheth was in over in Korea, doesn't actually make yours and his comparable. I'm a militant agnostic on this one; I don't know and you don't either.

2.) Even if you find a perfectly analogous situation, it doesn't matter.

Let's say you've been in the exact same situation Sheth was. Unless you disliked it just as much as Sheth did and for the same reasons, you have no right to compare your situation to his. The only comparison that is even remotely valid is a situation where you actually wanted to quit, but decided not to - and even then you can't be sure that you wanted to quit as much as he did.

3.) Practice scenarios in Korea are not ideal even for all Koreans.

Ask yourselves this - if money and logistics weren't an issue, do you still think Korean progaming lives would still be the same? You'd have no reason to think so, as the science is in on the matter. Pro athletes are generally catered to as individuals, insofar as it is practical to do so. Coaches address them in different ways to work around/with the mental predispositions of the different athletes. Living arrangements differ. Catering is as individual as it needs to be.

The Korean model is what has been proven to work best for the biggest amount of people considering the circumstances and financial realities of E-sports. This does not mean that if there was money to do so, there wouldn't be another large group of Koreans who could all get to that level of skill by practising alone in their condominiums or whatever. It's just not feasible to accommodate everyone on their own terms - but don't think for a second that practice houses as they exist in Korea are Utopian ideals in any way, even for Koreans.

4.) This situation proves that Sheth will actually play better on his own terms.

I'm going to assume that one of the big reasons that Sheth has gotten to where he is is the fact that he's been happy getting there. If there is a situation where he could enjoy all the advantages of living in a pro house in Korea, while still remaining happy and psyched and my favourite jovial giant, then of course it'd be better for his play, and of course he'd have no problems whatsoever with signing up for it - because it wouldn't tax his endurance. But if he feels bad in his circumstance, hating his life and the game, there's no way he is going to improve. If he puts in 20 quality hours of practice every week, feeling energized and content in the process, he's going to massively out-improve his hypothetical self in a situation where he'd put 40 hours in a week while hating every minute of it.

Finally, I want you all to remember that we're talking about a grown man here. This wasn't some hissy-fitty "I want to leeeeeee-he-he-heave" situation by a homesick child. For a grown adult to react in this way he must've been really unhappy. And good on him for acting on it, that's what being a man is all about to me.

Now y'all can infer whatever the hell you want from Sheths decision to not stay in Korea. But I'm going to bet that if he's allowed to stay in his element, he's going to continue kicking ass in tournaments and placing higher than the many of the very Koreans who by some of you's logic should be unstoppable just by virtue of sniffing 10 other guy's rectums on a daily basis.

Remember, Sheth didn't have to practice in Korea to stomp Koreans. In fact, it's possible and to me quite likely that if he'd forced himself to be in Korea for this past year, in spite of his dislike of the situation over there, he never would've gotten invited to Code A in the first place. One of those little ironies I suppose.

On July 11 2011 23:30 ABPID wrote:

Of course they have to make sacrifices. But I know several soccer players who don't make every sacrifice they can make. One in particular is well known to drink and smoke a lot. He still is the best player at one of the best clubs in the Netherlands. Could he be better if he didn't drink and smoke? Yes. But he's happy the way it is now and nobody feels entitled to say he must stop smoking and drinking. It's just the way it is.

I also understand your point about sports being different. Sports require a lot more sacrifices than other careers. But that doesn't mean it requires every sacrifice that one can make. And I dare say Sheth has made a lot of sacrifices already.

On July 11 2011 23:35 RubiksCube wrote:


People acting up as if it was there money that was put into his stay in Korea or if it was their chance at training with the best was wasted.

On July 11 2011 23:40 djfoxmccloud wrote:


Just wanting to say that there is also people that just think that you can atleast stay away from your home 1 month and finish what you started.

Just want to know what you think about that ? Even if it is hard, what is difficult in staying ONE SINGLE MONTH to finish GSTL ?

On July 11 2011 23:29 Odious_Repeater wrote:
I've been reading TL for the longest time but only now have I found (thanks Totalbiscuit) a thread where there's enough insanity going on for me to feel obligated to post. There's a few things I really feel are important to keep in mind when passing judgement on Sheth as a professional individual.

1.) Superficially analogous situations aren't necessarily actually analogous.

I've lived away from my home country/family/friends for extended periods of time during my life. In fact, I'm currently living in the UK but am not from here originally. Last time I was overseas was when I lived in Canada. My stay in Canada sucked, and I wanted to go home. My stay in the UK is going really well and I don't mind being here. There's a lot to be said about the details of any circumstance, and my situation proves - to me at least - that I shouldn't be generalizing about "staying overseas", because my various experiences of extended stays away from home have felt so different to me. So how would Sheth prepare for what it's like to be in that very situation if he's never been in it before? And even if he has, there can be enough differences between two seemingly similar situations for one to be okay and the other to be ass.

Equally, just because you've been in situations that you think mirror the one Sheth was in over in Korea, doesn't actually make yours and his comparable. I'm a militant agnostic on this one; I don't know and you don't either.

2.) Even if you find a perfectly analogous situation, it doesn't matter.

Let's say you've been in the exact same situation Sheth was. Unless you disliked it just as much as Sheth did and for the same reasons, you have no right to compare your situation to his. The only comparison that is even remotely valid is a situation where you actually wanted to quit, but decided not to - and even then you can't be sure that you wanted to quit as much as he did.

3.) Practice scenarios in Korea are not ideal even for all Koreans.

Ask yourselves this - if money and logistics weren't an issue, do you still think Korean progaming lives would still be the same? You'd have no reason to think so, as the science is in on the matter. Pro athletes are generally catered to as individuals, insofar as it is practical to do so. Coaches address them in different ways to work around/with the mental predispositions of the different athletes. Living arrangements differ. Catering is as individual as it needs to be.

The Korean model is what has been proven to work best for the biggest amount of people considering the circumstances and financial realities of E-sports. This does not mean that if there was money to do so, there wouldn't be another large group of Koreans who could all get to that level of skill by practising alone in their condominiums or whatever. It's just not feasible to accommodate everyone on their own terms - but don't think for a second that practice houses as they exist in Korea are Utopian ideals in any way, even for Koreans.

4.) This situation proves that Sheth will actually play better on his own terms.

I'm going to assume that one of the big reasons that Sheth has gotten to where he is is the fact that he's been happy getting there. If there is a situation where he could enjoy all the advantages of living in a pro house in Korea, while still remaining happy and psyched and my favourite jovial giant, then of course it'd be better for his play, and of course he'd have no problems whatsoever with signing up for it - because it wouldn't tax his endurance. But if he feels bad in his circumstance, hating his life and the game, there's no way he is going to improve. If he puts in 20 quality hours of practice every week, feeling energized and content in the process, he's going to massively out-improve his hypothetical self in a situation where he'd put 40 hours in a week while hating every minute of it.

Finally, I want you all to remember that we're talking about a grown man here. This wasn't some hissy-fitty "I want to leeeeeee-he-he-heave" situation by a homesick child. For a grown adult to react in this way he must've been really unhappy. And good on him for acting on it, that's what being a man is all about to me.

Now y'all can infer whatever the hell you want from Sheths decision to not stay in Korea. But I'm going to bet that if he's allowed to stay in his element, he's going to continue kicking ass in tournaments and placing higher than the many of the very Koreans who by some of you's logic should be unstoppable just by virtue of sniffing 10 other guys' rectums on a daily basis.

Remember, Sheth didn't have to practice in Korea to stomp Koreans. In fact, it's possible and to me quite likely that if he'd forced himself to be in Korea for this past year, in spite of his dislike of the situation over there, he never would've gotten invited to Code A in the first place. One of those little ironies I suppose.

On July 11 2011 23:44 RubiksCube wrote:


Well, I think Sheth actually explained his reasoning in the post he made.

He wanted to go visit/stay with his family before MLG. There were no flights after finishing the GSTL. There was a flight to visit NASL. So he decided not to stay the next 14 days.

I dont think Sheth would've minded to stay the last part of a frigging month. I don't think that is his point entirely that he was somehow scared to go back to that pro house. He just knew he was going to end it after the scheduled stay and he took the chance to fly home when he was flying anyways. In a sense, by taking that decision and not moving back to korea only to quit half a month later he even saved the team some money.

On July 11 2011 23:30 ABPID wrote:

Of course they have to make sacrifices. But I know several soccer players who don't make every sacrifice they can make. One in particular is well known to drink and smoke a lot. He still is the best player at one of the best clubs in the Netherlands. Could he be better if he didn't drink and smoke? Yes. But he's happy the way it is now and nobody feels entitled to say he must stop smoking and drinking. It's just the way it is.

I also understand your point about sports being different. Sports require a lot more sacrifices than other careers. But that doesn't mean it requires every sacrifice that one can make. And I dare say Sheth has made a lot of sacrifices already.

On July 11 2011 23:40 djfoxmccloud wrote:


Just wanting to say that there is also people that just think that you can atleast stay away from your home 1 month and finish what you started.

Just want to know what you think about that ? Even if it is hard, what is difficult in staying ONE SINGLE MONTH to finish GSTL ?