|
I hate to say it, but this is exactly why MC is right about Koreans.
Sheth is probably one of the top players the foreign community has to offer which could compete with the korean scene, but none of them will stay with the environment...besides Huk which is why he is doing so good!
Idra has even begun to get worse ever since he took on this new "more casual, practice is bad" outlook.
I'm not saying that for any foreigner to be as good as koreans they have to go live and practice in the environment of Korea. I'm not saying that at all. But they need to recreate the environment of practice and dedication back at home which they do not do because they did not like it in Korea.
To be as successful pro-gamers as Koreans, It will just be what they have to do.
|
On July 12 2011 00:31 Cold-Blood wrote:
Idra has even begun to get worse ever since he took on this new "more casual, practice is bad" outlook.
Idra's situation was different altogether. He never had the benefit of a practice house full of SC2 players, he did mainly all his practice on the Korean ladder. Huk/Sheth's situations seem much more optimal.
|
On July 11 2011 16:33 Destiny wrote:
Sheth not honoring team contract to play in GSTL?
Y U DESTROYING E-SPORTS, BRO?
Sheth, people will fault your commitment to your team, but I want to praise your commitment to family, to your fans, and to being an awesome PERSON as well as a great progamer. You are not destroying e-sports. You are improving it with honest transparency, opennes to admiting your faults, and awesome manners.
Best of luck. I will always be a fan!!!!!!!!!
|
What a shame! Sheth was one of my favourite foreigners to watch. All the best to you, Sheth.
I hope FXOpen can pull it together even without one of their top players.
|
On July 12 2011 00:25 trias_e wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2011 00:19 seoul_kiM wrote:On July 12 2011 00:14 trias_e wrote:
One thing that bothers me about some of the reactions in this thread is their assumption that basically everyone is the same. Everyone will benefit from the Korean training style. Everyone is best off in a small team house with no privacy.
Some people are going to be better off without it. People have different personalities (gasp!) and for some, having no privacy and living with 12 people in cramped conditions will simply not allow you to grow as a player or operate optimally as a person.
It is unfortunate that Sheth left early, as I do believe that he does have some responsibility to his team to stay, but otherwise Sheth knows what's best for Sheth and those who are bashing him over that are only showing their own immaturity and closed-mindedness. I don't think people assume equal personalities but people are just stating the fact that Korea is the best place to train for SC2 and this might hurt Sheth's chances at becoming the player Huk or Jinro has become with the Korean training. If you actually purely consider SC2 and training, Korea is the best and the best style. The results show it and there's no denying it. Also, I think most people are being supportive of Sheth's decision. He had good reasons and if his life isn't up for the task of Korea then it's his choice. You're somewhat missing my point though. It's possible that Sheth would be worse off if he stayed in that environment not only as a person, but also as a player. While it's true that the best players in the world thrived in that environment, it doesn't mean that every player will thrive in it. It's a fallacy to assume that everyone will become a better player in the korean training environment, just because the best players came from it.
I wasn't talking about your point. I was just clarifying and seeing "other people's" views in a different light. I don't think anyone here (besides a few trolls and idiots) want Sheth to be in an environment that affects him in a negative way but still people are just mentioning that Korea is the place to be for SC2.
|
On July 12 2011 00:22 leova wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 16:09 Sheth wrote:
However there were things I was unaware of going into Korea. Several things that have kept me from staying for another Code A at this time and from even going back after NASL. First off I was hoping to have been able to learn Korean better, I bought Rosetta stone even, however in the GOM house there are no CD drives. Thus I couldn't do that and thus I was unable to go do things I had planned on. (I could have read a book on it, or went out of my way in my free time to do this, I just bring this up as something that was disapointing.)
probably the most disturbing part of the thread - what kinda internet-gaming training house doesn't have CD DRIVES on their computers? what the hell?
South Korea is so ahead technologically, they don't use CD-Drives anymore...
All on USB or DVD-Drives now...maybe unless you go to the PC Bangs. ....
|
Sorry, Sheth, if you want to compete at the highest level, you are going to have to make some sacrifices, that is the simple truth. No one ever became #1 by running away from difficult situations. We know how hard it must be getting used to living in a team house, but this is a disappointing turn of events.
To me, this read as nothing but a string of petty excuses with one core point—living in a pro-gamer house isn't for you. Then, maybe pro-gaming isn't for you either. It is no secret that the Koreans are now a presence on the global scene, and it order to produce results you are going to have to train like they do. You have *so much* potential as a player, but I'm afraid if you run away from these opportunities then you will never realize it.
|
On July 12 2011 00:38 SanchoPanda wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 16:33 Destiny wrote:
Sheth not honoring team contract to play in GSTL?
Y U DESTROYING E-SPORTS, BRO? Sheth, people will fault your commitment to your team, but I want to praise your commitment to family, to your fans, and to being an awesome PERSON as well as a great progamer. You are not destroying e-sports. You are improving it with honest transparency, opennes to admiting your faults, and awesome manners. Best of luck. I will always be a fan!!!!!!!!!
Lol, trolled by Destiny :D
You didn't read the thread about Destiny leaving Col?
|
thats a bummer, good luck though
|
On July 12 2011 00:43 seoul_kiM wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2011 00:22 leova wrote:On July 11 2011 16:09 Sheth wrote:
However there were things I was unaware of going into Korea. Several things that have kept me from staying for another Code A at this time and from even going back after NASL. First off I was hoping to have been able to learn Korean better, I bought Rosetta stone even, however in the GOM house there are no CD drives. Thus I couldn't do that and thus I was unable to go do things I had planned on. (I could have read a book on it, or went out of my way in my free time to do this, I just bring this up as something that was disapointing.)
probably the most disturbing part of the thread - what kinda internet-gaming training house doesn't have CD DRIVES on their computers? what the hell? South Korea is so ahead technologically, they don't use CD-Drives anymore... All on USB or DVD-Drives now...maybe unless you go to the PC Bangs. ....
No Optical Disk Drives AT ALL in PC Bangs where I used to live...
It's all about Ghost files there.
|
On July 12 2011 00:42 seoul_kiM wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2011 00:25 trias_e wrote:On July 12 2011 00:19 seoul_kiM wrote:On July 12 2011 00:14 trias_e wrote:
One thing that bothers me about some of the reactions in this thread is their assumption that basically everyone is the same. Everyone will benefit from the Korean training style. Everyone is best off in a small team house with no privacy.
Some people are going to be better off without it. People have different personalities (gasp!) and for some, having no privacy and living with 12 people in cramped conditions will simply not allow you to grow as a player or operate optimally as a person.
It is unfortunate that Sheth left early, as I do believe that he does have some responsibility to his team to stay, but otherwise Sheth knows what's best for Sheth and those who are bashing him over that are only showing their own immaturity and closed-mindedness. I don't think people assume equal personalities but people are just stating the fact that Korea is the best place to train for SC2 and this might hurt Sheth's chances at becoming the player Huk or Jinro has become with the Korean training. If you actually purely consider SC2 and training, Korea is the best and the best style. The results show it and there's no denying it. Also, I think most people are being supportive of Sheth's decision. He had good reasons and if his life isn't up for the task of Korea then it's his choice. You're somewhat missing my point though. It's possible that Sheth would be worse off if he stayed in that environment not only as a person, but also as a player. While it's true that the best players in the world thrived in that environment, it doesn't mean that every player will thrive in it. It's a fallacy to assume that everyone will become a better player in the korean training environment, just because the best players came from it. I wasn't talking about your point. I was just clarifying and seeing "other people's" views in a different light. I don't think anyone here (besides a few trolls and idiots) want Sheth to be in an environment that affects him in a negative way but still people are just mentioning that Korea is the place to be for SC2.
Ahh, fair enough. Korea certainly is the place to be for SC2 at the moment and as you say the results speak for themselves. But it still isn't for everyone. Another good point someone brought up earlier was that it is likely that if things were reversed and the best player houses were in the west, Koreans wouldn't necessarily be up for sacrificing their home culture, friends, and family for them either. There are additional barriers and hardships for foriegners moving to Korea than for Koreans playing in Korea, and they will affect some people more than others.
|
+ Show Spoiler +Show nested quote +On July 12 2011 00:38 SanchoPanda wrote:On July 11 2011 16:33 Destiny wrote:
Sheth not honoring team contract to play in GSTL?
Y U DESTROYING E-SPORTS, BRO? Sheth, people will fault your commitment to your team, but I want to praise your commitment to family, to your fans, and to being an awesome PERSON as well as a great progamer. You are not destroying e-sports. You are improving it with honest transparency, opennes to admiting your faults, and awesome manners. Best of luck. I will always be a fan!!!!!!!!!
On July 12 2011 00:44 -Archangel- wrote:
Lol, trolled by Destiny :D
You didn't read the thread about Destiny leaving Col?
Man... now I feel silly. Still, i mean what I said. 
|
On July 12 2011 00:47 trias_e wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2011 00:42 seoul_kiM wrote:On July 12 2011 00:25 trias_e wrote:On July 12 2011 00:19 seoul_kiM wrote:On July 12 2011 00:14 trias_e wrote:
One thing that bothers me about some of the reactions in this thread is their assumption that basically everyone is the same. Everyone will benefit from the Korean training style. Everyone is best off in a small team house with no privacy.
Some people are going to be better off without it. People have different personalities (gasp!) and for some, having no privacy and living with 12 people in cramped conditions will simply not allow you to grow as a player or operate optimally as a person.
It is unfortunate that Sheth left early, as I do believe that he does have some responsibility to his team to stay, but otherwise Sheth knows what's best for Sheth and those who are bashing him over that are only showing their own immaturity and closed-mindedness. I don't think people assume equal personalities but people are just stating the fact that Korea is the best place to train for SC2 and this might hurt Sheth's chances at becoming the player Huk or Jinro has become with the Korean training. If you actually purely consider SC2 and training, Korea is the best and the best style. The results show it and there's no denying it. Also, I think most people are being supportive of Sheth's decision. He had good reasons and if his life isn't up for the task of Korea then it's his choice. You're somewhat missing my point though. It's possible that Sheth would be worse off if he stayed in that environment not only as a person, but also as a player. While it's true that the best players in the world thrived in that environment, it doesn't mean that every player will thrive in it. It's a fallacy to assume that everyone will become a better player in the korean training environment, just because the best players came from it. I wasn't talking about your point. I was just clarifying and seeing "other people's" views in a different light. I don't think anyone here (besides a few trolls and idiots) want Sheth to be in an environment that affects him in a negative way but still people are just mentioning that Korea is the place to be for SC2. Ahh, fair enough. Korea certainly is the place to be for SC2 at the moment and as you say the results speak for themselves. But it still isn't for everyone. Another good point someone brought up earlier was that it is likely that if things were reversed and the best player houses were in the west, Koreans wouldn't necessarily be up for sacrificing their home culture, friends, and family for them either. There are additional barriers and hardships for foriegners moving to Korea than for Koreans playing in Korea, and they will affect some people more than others.
You're right. It's all up to the individual and their hunger for success in one way or another. I hope Sheth continues to be successful but it might be a different type of success than he would have been chasing in Korea. If the situation was reversed, I don't think many Koreans would flock to the west in gaming houses. You can kind of see it with Counter-strike and how Europe (the focal point of CS) expanded counter-strike with team houses and such while Asia just didn't buy into it.
|
but...but...sheth! 
|
Sheth's a total baller. He does what he wuyantsss.
GL in whatever you do! Have a fantastic day! :-)
|
this is why i wish everyone had to serve in the military like in Korea, get away from their families so they can learn to be independent and survive outside of their comfort zone... learning to succeed outside of your comfort zone is probably the best lesson the military has taught me, and im not trolling - seriously, people need to be challenged.. I feel like Sheth's been a bit too spoiled or something if he couldn't handle a few months in another country with a bunch of teammates and the internet where he can actually communicate with his family just fine...
|
On July 12 2011 00:46 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2011 00:43 seoul_kiM wrote:On July 12 2011 00:22 leova wrote:On July 11 2011 16:09 Sheth wrote:
However there were things I was unaware of going into Korea. Several things that have kept me from staying for another Code A at this time and from even going back after NASL. First off I was hoping to have been able to learn Korean better, I bought Rosetta stone even, however in the GOM house there are no CD drives. Thus I couldn't do that and thus I was unable to go do things I had planned on. (I could have read a book on it, or went out of my way in my free time to do this, I just bring this up as something that was disapointing.)
probably the most disturbing part of the thread - what kinda internet-gaming training house doesn't have CD DRIVES on their computers? what the hell? South Korea is so ahead technologically, they don't use CD-Drives anymore... All on USB or DVD-Drives now...maybe unless you go to the PC Bangs. .... No Optical Disk Drives AT ALL in PC Bangs where I used to live... It's all about Ghost files there.
yea...basically...hahaha but Korea is way past CD-Drives...unless you go to e-mart or something and buy it on your own and install it on your own..lot of times people will have one cd-drive and pass it around computers whenever it is needed..because it's so rare hahaha
|
well some good can come of this.....we get sheths stream back!!!!
|
Hey Sheth! it's really our fault for providing such shitty practice on the NA ladder; so shitty that you would feel compelled to fly all the way out to Korea in order to find better competition. Too bad it didn't work out, glad to have you back. 
|
Sanya12364 Posts
On July 12 2011 00:52 seoul_kiM wrote:
yea...basically...hahaha but Korea is way past CD-Drives...unless you go to e-mart or something and buy it on your own and install it on your own..lot of times people will have one cd-drive and pass it around computers whenever it is needed..because it's so rare hahaha
So basically no-one will ever buy a retail version of the SC2. Only digital version.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
