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striderxxx
Canada443 Posts
On July 11 2011 16:25 Zandar wrote: Bullshit. I can 100% understand him, some people just need their privacy more than others. some people like sheth are just mentally weak, nuff said. | ||
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ragealot
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ABPID
Netherlands293 Posts
On July 11 2011 22:54 BlueSpace wrote: I know that this is meant in a sarcastic way but I think it is an open question of how much a pro player needs to sacrifice in order to be highly competitive in SC2. I made an earlier post without realizing that Sheth had already clarified why he is going back. I read the post now and it seems indeed personal reasons are the issue. While this is perfectly understandable, it still begs the question what is the alternative. Is it possible to compete with the korean style training by "doing it yourself" at home? I don't think that pros in the west are lazier per se then korean pros. This is often an argument which is thrown around in this forum. But tournament results so far seem to indicate that the korean training method simply works better. To reiterate the main point of my original post. Sometimes you have to make sacrifices for your career. That is not just true for esports. So I think it is reasonable to question Sheth decision and to be critical of it. The blind hate and silliness some people are exhibiting in this thread is of course stupid and uncalled for. There seem to be two discussions going on here. Firstly, is it possible to compete by DIY at home? Probably not, I'd say. But I doubt anyone is pretending you can here. Secondly, the discussion about Sheth's decision. Everybody here knows he can only achieve his true potential in sc2 by training in Korea(and that is apart from whether he would succeed with serious personal issues). However, does he have to sacrifice his personal life in order to further his career? That is his own decision. And I think it's a wise decision not to. WhiteRa might be better at sc2 if he wasn't married and didn't have any sort of personal life. But that doesn't mean he shouldn't be married and have any sort of personal life. The problem is some in the community somehow feel entitled and think every gamer should sacrifice everything he has, just so they can see some better games from him. This, I feel, is ridiculous. In normal careers, you respect people for balancing their work and their personal life. I feel we should do this too in the sc2 community. | ||
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Arcanne
United States1519 Posts
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StarCraft64
United States354 Posts
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Agnosthar
631 Posts
That being said I'm sure if Sheth was mentally able to endure staying in Korea he would have done so. Therefore I just want to wish Sheth all the best for the future. | ||
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
On July 11 2011 23:10 vrok wrote: First you were only uninformed, now you are just trolling. There's a forum thread about it. I posted in it. You're confused. On July 11 2011 23:16 striderxxx wrote: Even if one considers that "mentally weak", he still did a lot more for the community than you and me combined. That means we still should respond to his decision with respect.some people like sheth are just mentally weak, nuff said. | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
 hoped for next season gstl with sheth thorzain fenix naniwa and sase shesh after beat san was one of my favorites players and for me he is best player in FXO huge hurt for them in gstl | ||
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JodoYodo
Canada1772 Posts
Go Sheth! | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On July 11 2011 23:19 ABPID wrote: There seem to be two discussions going on here. Firstly, is it possible to compete by DIY at home? Probably not, I'd say. But I doubt anyone is pretending you can here. Secondly, the discussion about Sheth's decision. Everybody here knows he can only achieve his true potential in sc2 by training in Korea(and that is apart from whether he would succeed with serious personal issues). However, does he have to sacrifice his personal life in order to further his career? That is his own decision. And I think it's a wise decision not to. WhiteRa might be better at sc2 if he wasn't married and didn't have any sort of personal life. But that doesn't mean he shouldn't be married and have any sort of personal life. The problem is some in the community somehow feel entitled and think every gamer should sacrifice everything he has, just so they can see some better games from him. This, I feel, is ridiculous. In normal careers, you respect people for balancing their work and their personal life. I feel we should do this too in the sc2 community. This is well said, but you cannot compare eports with normal career, but with other sports. And in other sports it takes a HUGE sacrifice to be the best that you can be and earn big bucks (for sports that allow this) or good bucks for most sports. I read countless interview with people from different sports and they all say the same. They made sacrifices to get to where they are. There is no way around this. | ||
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Sky0
United States214 Posts
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StarCraft64
United States354 Posts
On July 11 2011 23:16 striderxxx wrote: some people like sheth are just mentally weak, nuff said. Take that to the Sheth Hate Club forum. Wait, that doesn't exist? Weird... maybe there isn't a proper outlet for you to express these feelings then. I guess you should take them somewhere else. | ||
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rfoster
United States1005 Posts
On July 11 2011 23:16 striderxxx wrote: some people like sheth are just mentally weak, nuff said. Can you not understand someone wanting to be closer to their family and friends? It would be a move so far from home he could never see his family. I can really respect how close Sheth is to his family/ friends, and completely understand why he would not want to go. Just think about the bigger picture for a minute I understand sheths decision, I understand why some would disagree with it, What I don't understand is bashing somebody for a big life decision that you have to perspective on | ||
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antilyon
Brazil2546 Posts
On July 11 2011 23:10 BlueSpace wrote: Risk and the reward for doing so are essential in this I think. If you compare the situation then you probably would have to conclude that Sheth is giving up more for less possible gain. Being a professional ice hockey player is more glorious and much better rewarded (money wise) then being a professional SC2 player. And as was pointed out is also a lot more comfortable. You can still question his dedication but I think it would be unfair not to take into account that e-sports is in comparison quite "small". We're disapointed because he knew that FXO was going to stay on Korea for at least one and a half month for GSTL, and he went to Korea anyway, and after 2 weeks he goes back to USA because he doesn't feel up to it? I mean, if he doesn't wanted to commit on this training why he let FXOBoss pay his ticket?Why he didn't stayed on USA? | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
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barrykp
Ireland174 Posts
I couldn't do it myself either, just up and go live in Korea. I only lived outside the Anglosphere once and it probably wasn't nearly the kind of culture shock Korea would be. | ||
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Benkestok
Denmark63 Posts
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kimjongskills
United States47 Posts
On July 11 2011 23:05 Ocedic wrote: So what you're saying is Sheth acted like a child? Wow you missed the point. let me make it clear since it obviously isn't. Things aren't what you expect them to be. | ||
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renox
United States48 Posts
On July 11 2011 23:25 antilyon wrote: We're disapointed because he knew that FXO was going to stay on Korea for at least one and a half month for GSTL, and he went to Korea anyway, and after 2 weeks he goes back to USA because he doesn't feel up to it? I mean, if he doesn't wanted to commit on this training why he let FXOBoss pay his ticket?Why he didn't stayed on USA? Definitely agree with this, if he commits to something (GSTL) just finish it out, I doubt they would try to force him stay in Korea longer. He just left his team hanging and he's one of the best if not the best player on his team. | ||
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Odious_Repeater
Germany32 Posts
1.) Superficially analogous situations aren't necessarily actually analogous. I've lived away from my home country/family/friends for extended periods of time during my life. In fact, I'm currently living in the UK but am not from here originally. Last time I was overseas was when I lived in Canada. My stay in Canada sucked, and I wanted to go home. My stay in the UK is going really well and I don't mind being here. There's a lot to be said about the details of any circumstance, and my situation proves - to me at least - that I shouldn't be generalizing about "staying overseas", because my various experiences of extended stays away from home have felt so different to me. So how would Sheth prepare for what it's like to be in that very situation if he's never been in it before? And even if he has, there can be enough differences between two seemingly similar situations for one to be okay and the other to be ass. Equally, just because you've been in situations that you think mirror the one Sheth was in over in Korea, doesn't actually make yours and his comparable. I'm a militant agnostic on this one; I don't know and you don't either. 2.) Even if you find a perfectly analogous situation, it doesn't matter. Let's say you've been in the exact same situation Sheth was. Unless you disliked it just as much as Sheth did and for the same reasons, you have no right to compare your situation to his. The only comparison that is even remotely valid is a situation where you actually wanted to quit, but decided not to - and even then you can't be sure that you wanted to quit as much as he did. 3.) Practice scenarios in Korea are not ideal even for all Koreans. Ask yourselves this - if money and logistics weren't an issue, do you still think Korean progaming lives would still be the same? You'd have no reason to think so, as the science is in on the matter. Pro athletes are generally catered to as individuals, insofar as it is practical to do so. Coaches address them in different ways to work around/with the mental predispositions of the different athletes. Living arrangements differ. Catering is as individual as it needs to be. The Korean model is what has been proven to work best for the biggest amount of people considering the circumstances and financial realities of E-sports. This does not mean that if there was money to do so, there wouldn't be another large group of Koreans who could all get to that level of skill by practising alone in their condominiums or whatever. It's just not feasible to accommodate everyone on their own terms - but don't think for a second that practice houses as they exist in Korea are Utopian ideals in any way, even for Koreans. 4.) This situation proves that Sheth will actually play better on his own terms. I'm going to assume that one of the big reasons that Sheth has gotten to where he is is the fact that he's been happy getting there. If there is a situation where he could enjoy all the advantages of living in a pro house in Korea, while still remaining happy and psyched and my favourite jovial giant, then of course it'd be better for his play, and of course he'd have no problems whatsoever with signing up for it - because it wouldn't tax his endurance. But if he feels bad in his circumstance, hating his life and the game, there's no way he is going to improve. If he puts in 20 quality hours of practice every week, feeling energized and content in the process, he's going to massively out-improve his hypothetical self in a situation where he'd put 40 hours in a week while hating every minute of it. Finally, I want you all to remember that we're talking about a grown man here. This wasn't some hissy-fitty "I want to leeeeeee-he-he-heave" situation by a homesick child. For a grown adult to react in this way he must've been really unhappy. And good on him for acting on it, that's what being a man is all about to me. Now y'all can infer whatever the hell you want from Sheths decision to not stay in Korea. But I'm going to bet that if he's allowed to stay in his element, he's going to continue kicking ass in tournaments and placing higher than the many of the very Koreans who by some of you's logic should be unstoppable just by virtue of sniffing 10 other guys' rectums on a daily basis. Remember, Sheth didn't have to practice in Korea to stomp Koreans. In fact, it's possible and to me quite likely that if he'd forced himself to be in Korea for this past year, in spite of his dislike of the situation over there, he never would've gotten invited to Code A in the first place. One of those little ironies I suppose. | ||
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