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On July 11 2011 21:16 JustPassingBy wrote:
Seriously, why do people think it's the Korean culture that allows Korean to bear with the poor living conditions while foreigners tend to shy away? For me, it is not a matter of culture, but of determination and a little bit of desperation.
Outside of Korea:
"Oh, you play very good? Then come into our team!"
In Korea:
"Oh, you play very good? Do you want to commit to living in our team house, under poor conditions and strict practice environment? No? Then we don't need you!"
Korean progamers are just more determined and maybe a bit more desperate, which is why they put up with these living conditions.
This post is similar to many fails of logic I seen on this topic. Korean progamers go into these houses because they know later they will come out better. Foreigners don't do that and are worse as GSL and all the bigger tournaments show us. Even tournaments with no koreans had foreigners that came from korea win them (2xMLG, copperhagen games)
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On July 11 2011 21:35 carloselcoco wrote:
WOW! So this means he might be kicked out of the team?
Where did you get that from? It says in the OP that he will not get kicked off the team... Did you even read it?
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Noooo! He was in Code A, I was hoping he would give it another shot!
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On July 11 2011 21:39 GreEny K wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 21:35 carloselcoco wrote:
WOW! So this means he might be kicked out of the team? Where did you get that from? It says in the OP that he will not get kicked off the team... Did you even read it?
Will he still 'work' in the FXO house in malaysia though?
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I can't possibly imagine giving up so quickly if I were in his position. He turned down a very rare, probably once in a lifetime opportunity to pursue something he loves and seemed to have a shot at making it big. I'm very sad for him.
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On July 11 2011 21:36 Ganymede88 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 21:26 royal.cze wrote:
always good when the players contracted by teams dictate what they want to do... even when its not in the best interest of the team... such a joke... imagine nhl players saying im not playing in winnipeg ot Calgary its not for me... to cold...
not good for the progression of esports... Oh my... I think it will be a VERY long time before any comparison like this between the SC2 competitive scene and the multi-million (if not billion) dollar industry of the NHL is anything but nonsensical.
how is it diffrent ?
You have FXOBoss and Brian Burke but run a team and provide all the resources nessecary to thier employee / contracted players to succeed in return for their effort and paticipation in team events game / tournaments...
If Phil Kessel says hes not going to Chicago to play when its at no out of pocket expense to him and he is contracted to do so,how is it any diffrent Seth saying hes not going with his team to play in the team league.
Both decisions are identical, both players are under contract receive salaries and both thier actions are detrimental to their respective communities no ?
Just because the amount of money isn't the same doesnt mean the obligations are any diffrent or more flexible...
Seriously... the privacy thing ? What do you need privacy for as a man besides rubbing one out ?
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Will he get "homesick" again if he goes to live in Malaysia or will he just visit/boot-camp there for a couple of weeks?
Does not seem very professional only staying in Korea for two weeks and leaving with more games to go in GSTL (especially since he is the team captain, responsibility/accountability ya know.)
The MLG aspect of his reasoning leaves me scratching my head. There will be plenty of MLG's in the future.. when his team does not have more games in the GSTL.
The stars lined up for ya bud... "It is better to regret what you have done than what you have not."
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Dear Sheth.
You are one of the 2-4 foreigners that can actually make it in Korea.
Stick it out man.
Get the fuck back there and dominate.
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ah well, its not for everyone. You need so much dedication, maybe sheth will consider it another time
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On July 11 2011 21:44 Coolwhip wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 21:39 GreEny K wrote:On July 11 2011 21:35 carloselcoco wrote:
WOW! So this means he might be kicked out of the team? Where did you get that from? It says in the OP that he will not get kicked off the team... Did you even read it? Will he still 'work' in the FXO house in malaysia though?
He lives in the US anyway, I think his trip to Malaysia was just to prep for Korea. He has said that he wouldn't stay in Korea, which is why I don't understand all the hate...
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I forgive you Sheth, for making me pay 1 point for trading you from my Fantasy team.
You earned me 2 points so 2-1 = 1 is still a profit and I'm thankful for your contributions to the team.
Things can't stay they same forever and peoples surroundings and realities change.
I wish you the best of luck and if that another time ever comes, I'll always have room for Sheth in my Fantasy team.
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Captain of my Fantasy GSTL team -________-
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While I agree that Sheth has to do what's best for him I think leaving after two weeks is a bit ridiculous. Especially when it's supposed to be your profession. Two weeks is nothing.
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On July 11 2011 21:53 royal.cze wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 21:36 Ganymede88 wrote:On July 11 2011 21:26 royal.cze wrote:
always good when the players contracted by teams dictate what they want to do... even when its not in the best interest of the team... such a joke... imagine nhl players saying im not playing in winnipeg ot Calgary its not for me... to cold...
not good for the progression of esports... Oh my... I think it will be a VERY long time before any comparison like this between the SC2 competitive scene and the multi-million (if not billion) dollar industry of the NHL is anything but nonsensical. how is it diffrent ? You have FXOBoss and Brian Burke but run a team and provide all the resources nessecary to thier employee / contracted players to succeed in return for their effort and paticipation in team events game / tournaments... If Phil Kessel says hes not going to Chicago to play when its at no out of pocket expense to him and he is contracted to do so,how is it any diffrent Seth saying hes not going with his team to play in the team league. Both decisions are identical, both players are under contract receive salaries and both thier actions are detrimental to their respective communities no ? Just because the amount of money isn't the same doesnt mean the obligations are any diffrent or more flexible... Seriously... the privacy thing ? What do you need privacy for as a man besides rubbing one out ?
Phil Kessel's team (backed by a ridiculous amount of money, which of course makes a difference) can support him in more ways than FXO could ever support Sheth from counsellors, to private hotel rooms, to just about anything he needs in order to perform at the top of his game.
Of course money makes a difference - a team like FXO does not - and can not - supply its players with the things that the Maple Leafs supply to their players - therefore the obligations (and expectations) of the players are worlds apart.
You're comparing the obligations of Sheth to a man who would earn almost $10,000 x more than Sheth. And you're comparing the expectations of FXO to a team that earns almost $1,000,000 x more than FXO. Do you think FXO's contracts and expectations are as strict as the Maple Leafs?
You should do some research into how modern athletes are supported almost from the day they show potential as a result of all the money in the industry. They are provided with physical and psychological help including how to deal with competition and competing in foreign countries, and more. Phil Kessel is a sportsmen who has been trained to compete and bring everything he's got to the table since he was a teenager. Unfortunately the ESPORTS scene is still at the stage where its really just a bunch of guys who are exceptionally good at what was just a hobby. I still can't see how you can compare the two.
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Seems like a shame that Sheth decided to not rejoin his team in Korea, even if it isn't long before they're done with GSTL.
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Another white boy bites the dust.
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Aw sheth, will cheer for you whereve you go! Fully understandable decision.
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It's disappointing but you gotta do what you gotta do. Best of luck to you Sheth. Stay motivated. Ignore the haters.
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On July 11 2011 21:32 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 21:27 Linwelin wrote:
Yep, Sheth going back home is hurting ESPORTS
Sacrifice your life upon the altar of ESPORTS. GAMES FOR THE GAME GOD, NUBS FOR THE NUBTHRONE!
I know that this is meant in a sarcastic way but I think it is an open question of how much a pro player needs to sacrifice in order to be highly competitive in SC2.
I made an earlier post without realizing that Sheth had already clarified why he is going back. I read the post now and it seems indeed personal reasons are the issue. While this is perfectly understandable, it still begs the question what is the alternative.
Is it possible to compete with the korean style training by "doing it yourself" at home? I don't think that pros in the west are lazier per se then korean pros. This is often an argument which is thrown around in this forum. But tournament results so far seem to indicate that the korean training method simply works better.
To reiterate the main point of my original post. Sometimes you have to make sacrifices for your career. That is not just true for esports. So I think it is reasonable to question Sheth decision and to be critical of it.
The blind hate and silliness some people are exhibiting in this thread is of course stupid and uncalled for.
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