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On July 11 2011 21:13 gullberg wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 21:01 Goibon wrote: Privacy thing is definitely huge, i sure as hell couldn't live in a pro gaming house regardless of how cool my housemates were. Too much. When can i fap? This is serious.
The first question that pops in my head about living in a pro gaming house.
This story about the brothers plott seems rather relevant:
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On July 11 2011 20:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 20:55 syllogism wrote: Certainly, but that doesn't mean people can't think less of him for letting down his team, regardless of whether the team supports his decision Nobody is saying people can't think less of him, but 1) Think carefully about how you express it, there is a world of difference between constructive criticism and flaming and 2) Do not ignore everything he is done in the past and allow one incident to overshadow that. As others have already pointed out, he is an extremely well-mannered, positive force within this community, a highly skilled and entertaining player, a great contributor to the TL Strategy forum and did a 24 hour livestream very recently for charity. Forgetting those things when expressing your opinion about a person (which is what a lot of these posts are, they aren't judgments of the opinion, they're judgments of the person, ad hominem) will not lead to a reasonable discussion and is highly reactionary.
on point no 2), the world "in general" (the media anyone?) does tend to judge people by a one incident that overshadows anything they have done in the past, like having a criminal record pretty affects a person chances at jobs for life.
the fact that he left code A and the GSTL prematurely will probably stick with his name for a while no doubt, even though he explained his circumstances (which personally, i find it disappointing. I thought he could be the next jinro/huk, especially when he beat San) .
the willingness to not judge a book by its cover is not something everyone has on the forums, not like they need to have it especially since 90% of the people commentating here are anonymous
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On July 11 2011 21:20 Biane wrote: on point no 2), the world "in general" (the media anyone?) does tend to judge people by a one incident that overshadows anything they have done in the past, like having a criminal record pretty affects a person chances at jobs for life.
the fact that he left code A and the GSTL prematurely will probably stick with his name for a while no doubt, even though he explained his circumstances (which personally, i find it disappointing. I thought he could be the next jinro/huk, especially when he beat San) .
the willingness to not judge a book by its cover is not something everyone has on the forums, not like they need to have it especially since 90% of the people commentating here are anonymous
Well yes, but there is no reason to lower the bar just because "most" people aren't talented enough to jump over it.
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But sheth is actually good enough to compete in code A, so that sucks balls
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Unfortunately due to the anonymity that the internet provides some people see no reason to show any respect and freely post all their frustrations online.
Best thing to do is to not let this negativity affect you and to set a positive example to the rest of the community so that hopefully these people may come around.
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always good when the players contracted by teams dictate what they want to do... even when its not in the best interest of the team... such a joke... imagine nhl players saying im not playing in winnipeg ot Calgary its not for me... to cold...
not good for the progression of esports...
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I cant believe he forfeited code a so easily which he got invited while others qualified for and now he's giving up he's team so easily by complaining about he's personal issues.He's excuses disgusts me.What a shame and a huge loss for FXO carring players who arent willing to sacrifice.
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Taking him back to the US was a huge mistake. He took in that sweet sweet freedom and knew he couldn't leave again. That and onion rings.
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On July 11 2011 21:26 royal.cze wrote: always good when the players contracted by teams dictate what they want to do... even when its not in the best interest of the team... such a joke... imagine nhl players saying im not playing in winnipeg ot Calgary its not for me... to cold...
not good for the progression of esports...
Yep, Sheth going back home is hurting ESPORTS
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On July 11 2011 21:27 Linwelin wrote: Yep, Sheth going back home is hurting ESPORTS
Sacrifice your life upon the altar of ESPORTS. GAMES FOR THE GAME GOD, NUBS FOR THE NUBTHRONE!
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On July 11 2011 21:18 Savern101 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 21:16 JustPassingBy wrote: Seriously, why do people think it's the Korean culture that allows Korean to bear with the poor living conditions while foreigners tend to shy away? For me, it is not a matter of culture, but of determination and a little bit of desperation.
Outside of Korea: "Oh, you play very good? Then come into our team!"
In Korea: "Oh, you play very good? Do you want to commit to living in our team house, under poor conditions and strict practice environment? No? Then we don't need you!"
Korean progamers are just more determined and maybe a bit more desperate, which is why they put up with these living conditions. I bet if you asked Koreans to live in a progaming house in the US, in a completely alien culture, away from their family and friends, not so many of them would take up the offer. Some people can handle a big paradigm shift in their lives, other people can't. Sheth couldn't, its a shame, but thats how it is.
Just to make clear: I am not blaming Sheth for anything. He has done very much for the non-Korean esports scene and is a great player, I respect him for that. My post was solely directed to people who say that Korean cultures is what makes the Korean players more comfortable with those living conditions.
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On July 11 2011 21:26 Benga wrote: I cant believe he forfeited code a so easily which he got invited while others qualified for and now he's giving up he's team so easily by complaining about he's personal issues.He's excuses disgusts me.What a shame and a huge loss for FXO carring players who arent willing to sacrifice.
Yeah his excuses are weak. I feel bad for FXO.
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Not sure why people are shocked... He said he will not stay in Korea before he even went.
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sigh... although i understand sheth's position, i felt like it;s an opportunity that only comes very few times to very lucky people. well good luck to sheth and hope to see him to well in the future
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WOW! So this means he might be kicked out of the team?
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Did you guys not read his interviews at the GSL? He had repeatedly said he felt awkward living in a progamer house and was used to living alone. To me it really seemed like he was having hard time adjusting. I never really thought he would be going back in the first place when I saw him at at the NASL Grand Finals...
If you can't live with 12 people in the same house (something I'd say is quite reasonable - I have problems with just three roommates) it will affect your play and eventually your overall skill at the game.
I hope Sheth makes it to the grand finals of NASL Season 2 and wish him the best of luck.
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On July 11 2011 21:27 Linwelin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 21:26 royal.cze wrote: always good when the players contracted by teams dictate what they want to do... even when its not in the best interest of the team... such a joke... imagine nhl players saying im not playing in winnipeg ot Calgary its not for me... to cold...
not good for the progression of esports... Yep, Sheth going back home is hurting ESPORTS
This: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=232866
Sheth, the latest thing in the "hurting esports" trend
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On July 11 2011 21:26 royal.cze wrote: always good when the players contracted by teams dictate what they want to do... even when its not in the best interest of the team... such a joke... imagine nhl players saying im not playing in winnipeg ot Calgary its not for me... to cold...
not good for the progression of esports...
Oh my... I think it will be a VERY long time before any comparison like this between the SC2 competitive scene and the multi-million (if not billion) dollar industry of the NHL is anything but nonsensical.
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You keyboard warriors talk a lot of shit when most of you take the bus two blocks to your blue collar jobs then go back home to your parents' house. I don't know how old he us but most of the support he's getting is from people who understand how hard it is to take such a big step in your life and commit to something as moving to another country to pursue a career that he, quiet frankly may not be ready for (i.e. Korean programing).
I think he's doing what's best for him, and by that I mean what he wants to do, and there's no shame in that. It's not like he straight up said "fuck you FXO guys, I'm out of here". I wasn't paying attention to TL but did Moonglade get this kind of shit for not going?
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I can't blame him for leaving. I'm sure it is uncomfortable living in a small house with a bunch of other guys and he also said that he was still paying rent for his place back in the US. I don't know anyone who would just shrug off losing money every month for a house they aren't living in currently, especially when your sole source of income is Starcraft 2
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