EPTof course for a hard core dedicated person for whom it doesn't matter where you are as long as you can play, it's a no-brainer ;P
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[N3O]r3d33m3r
Germany674 Posts
of course for a hard core dedicated person for whom it doesn't matter where you are as long as you can play, it's a no-brainer ;P | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6566 Posts
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vx70GTOJudgexv
United States3161 Posts
On July 11 2011 22:37 Ganymede88 wrote: Phil Kessel's team (backed by a ridiculous amount of money, which of course makes a difference) can support him in more ways than FXO could ever support Sheth from counsellors, to private hotel rooms, to just about anything he needs in order to perform at the top of his game. Of course money makes a difference - a team like FXO does not - and can not - supply its players with the things that the Maple Leafs supply to their players - therefore the obligations (and expectations) of the players are worlds apart. You're comparing the obligations of Sheth to a man who would earn almost $10,000 x more than Sheth. And you're comparing the expectations of FXO to a team that earns almost $1,000,000 x more than FXO. Do you think FXO's contracts and expectations are as strict as the Maple Leafs? You should do some research into how modern athletes are supported almost from the day they show potential as a result of all the money in the industry. They are provided with physical and psychological help including how to deal with competition and competing in foreign countries, and more. Phil Kessel is a sportsmen who has been trained to compete and bring everything he's got to the table since he was a teenager. Unfortunately the ESPORTS scene is still at the stage where its really just a bunch of guys who are exceptionally good at what was just a hobby. I still can't see how you can compare the two. It's not about the money. It's about the commitment, which he's showing he doesn't have. You have to give a little to get a little. | ||
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
On July 11 2011 22:29 vrok wrote: Do you say that with own pro gaming / korean team house experience?While I agree that Sheth has to do what's best for him I think leaving after two weeks is a bit ridiculous. Especially when it's supposed to be your profession. Two weeks is nothing. On July 11 2011 22:56 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: He practices a lot, he streams a lot. He also wrote some very good postings on TL. What commitment did you show?It's not about the money. It's about the commitment, which he's showing he doesn't have. You have to give a little to get a little. | ||
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kimjongskills
United States47 Posts
He knew that he would be living in this space, but he didn't know how it would really be like. Like when you're a kid, you see that commercial on TV for a super awesome toy; you have a expectation from visual and audial representations of it, and then you get it, and it ends up being very different than you had expected. This is by far the best argument against the belief that he "knew" what he was getting in to. | ||
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JiPrime
Canada688 Posts
In the end, it's your choice, Sheth, but you'll gonna be left behind... Good luck in your future endeavors. | ||
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vrok
Sweden2541 Posts
On July 11 2011 22:56 [F_]aths wrote: Do you say that with own pro gaming / korean team house experience? I don't care if it's hell on earth and worse than army boot camp/mandatory military service, which I highly doubt. It's two freaking weeks. | ||
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Crovea
Denmark100 Posts
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Ocedic
United States1808 Posts
On July 11 2011 22:59 kimjongskills wrote: Honestly, this is kind of ridiculous. Half of the people posting in this thread are saying "he knew what he was getting in to." This is complete and total bullshit. He knew that he would be living in this space, but he didn't know how it would really be like. Like when you're a kid, you see that commercial on TV for a super awesome toy; you have a expectation from visual and audial representations of it, and then you get it, and it ends up being very different than you had expected. This is by far the best argument against the belief that he "knew" what he was getting in to. So what you're saying is Sheth acted like a child? | ||
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Sableyeah
Netherlands2119 Posts
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
On July 11 2011 23:00 vrok wrote: Why should Sheth care about the things you have to say about his decision? Did you do anything for the community that remotely compares to Sheth's work? How can you to judge his decision, having no pro-gamer experience at all and especialy no Korean practice experience?I don't care if it's hell on earth and worse than army boot camp/mandatory military service, which I highly doubt. It's two freaking weeks. | ||
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Keren
United States67 Posts
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Satoros
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Sasashi
United States22 Posts
The stress of living with multiple people is very difficult to judge from any outside perspective. Some people are very accepting of such a situation and others are very very uncomfortable when unable to find privacy and peace. I am of the latter and much prefer privacy, peace, and quiet over having multiple people around me. As such, I can understand the difficulty of the living conditions in Korea for Sheth, someone who is very polite, kind, and respectful, because he would be unable to avoid wasting a lot of energy trying to fit into the environment in the best possible way. For Sheth, in my opinion and from my perspective of who he is as a person, trying to live your life around other people becomes a major obstacle to daily life. Whether your actual habits and activities are changed is irrelevant, the major factor is the mental stress of trying to fit those habits and activities into a space where it is required (at least for anyone with a strong since of morals/manners/respect) to take many other individuals preferences in mind and try to ensure you are not annoying or bothering those around you. It quickly becomes something that can seriously effect you mentally and physically, as your physical state is very dependent on mental health. So from this perspective I can absolutely understand why he would make the decision to stay in the US where he is much more comfortable and familiar with his surroundings, and as such is much better suited to help him further his skills. We, as outsiders unaware of all that has happened and ignorant of much of the inside information, can only postulate as to whether Sheth's decision was his own or that of a discussed compromise. Because of this we are unable to really make any statements as to how this relates to Sheth's performance as a professional gamer. However, and this is a big "but", he IS a professional gamer. He is part of a team, which in essence is a business, sponsored by a company, and as such has expectations of performance. The expectations in this case were a months dedication to performing in a foreign environment with his team. This expectation was not met. As such it can very easily seem like Sheth has destroyed his credibility as a "professional" gamer and abandoned his responsibilities because of his lack of comfort with the environment. I hesitate to come to such a conclusion, personally. With the information that has been provided, the response from Sheth, and the manner in which this was delivered to the community it would seem to me to be indication that FXO has discussed the situation with Sheth in an internal environment and come to a decision that was acceptable to both sides. If that is the case, then in my opinion it's a perfectly reasonable decision and if FXO is fine with it, I'm fine with it. All that said, I would have hoped for more. We all have high expectations of those we hold in high regard, and when they fail to meet those expectations we are naturally disappointed. This is where I am at for the moment, disappointment. I had very high hopes and wishes for FXO in the GSTL, it was a very brave decision to compete in such a difficult foreign tournament and I wanted them to succeed. I do not think Sheth's decision will undermine what FXO is trying to achieve, but it would have been something to be proud of to have competed as part of the first foreign team in the GSTL. Especially if they had found success. (And I would qualify success as simply beating any one of the teams.) This decision will unfortunately deny him, as well as ourselves - the viewers, from enjoying that distinction. I still wish for great success for the FXO team and will be extremely happy when/if they win against a team without the quality Sheth brings to the table, but it will be slightly soured by his departure. For now, though, I will look to the future and hope for great success for Sheth at MLG. P.S. My opinion on the Korean training environment, which has been discussed some in this thread, is that, while it has proven to be successful, there is no requirement that to succeed you MUST train and live in Korea. The best of the best are there, sure, whether that is because of the training environment or the cultural expectations or some other factor we aren't away of, I don't know. I believe the best opportunity for training and success as a professional gamer will come from a team environment like what has been developed in Korea, but I do not believe it will come from the same rigorous 10 hour days that they employ. I think the best success will come when professional teams learn from athletic sports. When you look at professional teams in athletic sports you see men with families who live wherever they think is best for themselves and their families, but who travel full time with the team, training and interacting with them on a daily basis. I think this will be the ultimate goal one day for eSports teams, having the facilities to house players while they train and compete and transporting them home outside of competitions. A lofty goal to be sure, but I think the ultimate place to be for any team. I also believe that more structured regiments of training are the best way to help players improve, rather than sheer time investment. You don't just have pitchers go out and throw 300 pitches everyday to get better. They meet with coaches specialized in the task they wish to achieve and work on very specific things in very specific ways to maximize the training they undergo. I imagine this is being put to use in many cases, but I wouldn't personally know and this is just my opinion on where I think things should go. Wow, just noticed how much text that is. O.O Apparently I had something to say. I guess I'll leave with a quote; I like quotes. "Adversity causes some men to break; others to break records." -William Arthur Ward Hopefully FXO and Sheth will be breaking records, not breaking themselves. | ||
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Croatia7457 Posts
On July 11 2011 22:59 JiPrime wrote: I'll laugh so hard when Sheth gets thoroughly owned by his korea-trained teammates when practicing. In the end, it's your choice, Sheth, but you'll gonna be left behind... Good luck in your future endeavors. That is going to happen for sure. I can still remember the MLG when Jinro won dominantly while all the TL members that were in Korea with him placed real high. We can probably expect Moonan to do very well in next MLG. | ||
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BlueSpace
Germany2182 Posts
On July 11 2011 22:56 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: It's not about the money. It's about the commitment, which he's showing he doesn't have. You have to give a little to get a little. Risk and the reward for doing so are essential in this I think. If you compare the situation then you probably would have to conclude that Sheth is giving up more for less possible gain. Being a professional ice hockey player is more glorious and much better rewarded (money wise) then being a professional SC2 player. And as was pointed out is also a lot more comfortable. You can still question his dedication but I think it would be unfair not to take into account that e-sports is in comparison quite "small". | ||
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vrok
Sweden2541 Posts
On July 11 2011 23:07 [F_]aths wrote: Why should Sheth care about the things you have to say about his decision? Did you do anything for the community that remotely compares to Sheth's work? How can you to judge his decision, having no pro-gamer experience at all and especialy no Korean? There's a forum thread about it. I posted in it. You're confused. | ||
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TORTOISE
United States515 Posts
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j3i
United States357 Posts
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
On July 11 2011 23:07 [F_]aths wrote: Why should Sheth care about the things you have to say about his decision? Did you do anything for the community that remotely compares to Sheth's work? How can you to judge his decision, having no pro-gamer experience at all and especialy no Korean? Sheth shouldn't care, but as it is with any professional sport, people love to discuss decisions made by others. It's pretty much what being a fan is all about. Not being a pro-gamer doesn't automatically disqualify you from making comments/observations about pro-gaming. Not to mention that quite a lot of people have experience living in a foreign country for their careers, and being one of those people, I kinda agree with the guy you're quoting. A month in a foreign country is nothing, 2 weeks is even less then nothing. Everyone sacrifices for their careers, and a month in a foreign country doesn't strike me as a very big one. Then again, some people just can't deal with stuff outside of their comfort zone, and that's fine too, but it's a shame Sheth is leaving Korea nonetheless. | ||
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