EPTThat said, all right, Sheth's a cool dude, and it's his decision. I'll just let the San fan in me cry a few bitter tears.
Sheth not returning to Korea from NASL - Page 28
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babylon
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That said, all right, Sheth's a cool dude, and it's his decision. I'll just let the San fan in me cry a few bitter tears. | ||
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Ocedic
United States1808 Posts
On July 12 2011 01:39 Joementum wrote: That is how most of the jobs in today's society are. There's very little, if any, critical thinking involved in jobs. Most jobs are just "follow these instructions and you'll be done in a few hours!" or "browse the internet all day!" I take it you haven't gotten past college yet, have you? Edit - It's always fun to insult people and completely ignore everything they said because you know it's right. The fuck are you talking about, lol. Just because your job is brainless doesn't mean you should generalize everyone else's. His point is perfectly valid - people are talking about going to Korea for any period of time as 'giving up your life.' I feel sorry for people with lives like that. Visiting and living in other places, and leaving your parents' home IS life. | ||
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Frequencyy
United States344 Posts
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Exactable
Australia263 Posts
I should make it clear that what eats me up is him ditching his team mates as their ace when FXO gives him financial assistance that other (better?) foreigners can only dream of. If he was over there playing by himself I'd be much more understanding. No longer a fan, sorry. | ||
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antelope591
Canada820 Posts
On July 12 2011 00:25 r_con wrote: to see his family? really, this is his job, some people make far greater sacrifices for less. Opportunities like this come up only once in your life, he was given the opportunity to train in an environment that would close to guarantee success In international tournaments. My ex's dad went to Europe for 2 years, and only came back for 2 week's a year. Sacrifices, people, are we all just spoiled gamers that don't want to fucking work for a living? I work a full time job and am currently getting through college by doing online courses. Dedicating probably 60-70 hours a week to purely working. And then someone bitches that they couldn't see their family for a week?...... this is your job, welcome to the real world. This worries me because I see too many people given opportunities and squandering them. If players continue to do this, and organizations don't put their foot down, then Koreans will continue to be top, and it will continue, and the disparity will get larger and larger, cause they will have practiced harder and better. Pretty much....Sheth is a nice guy but people forget that sc2 is his job. People make sacrifices for their job all the time a lot bigger than getting free flights and board to a different country to be able to train. I don't see how quitting after 2 weeks is something that can really be seen in a positive light especially when the reasons are pretty silly. I mean did Sheth really expect to be able to get used to a different country and living environment in 2 WEEKS? It seems like he just went into this with the totally wrong mindset and didn't even give it a chance to pan out...I mean really the whole spiel about the rosetta stone is just silly and doesn't even make any sense -_-. Maybe I'm being a little harsh but it just seems like he wasted time for nothing when many other players would've loved an opportunity like this. | ||
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fritos
United States153 Posts
There seem to be 2 types of people here: ones who embraces Seth back and his decision and ones who criticizes his decion. There is no reason for anyone to convince the opposite group because everyone just feels different about his choice and there is right or wrong. Having said that, here's my thought. Regardless which group of people you are in, we all agree that E-sports is getting bigger and we would like others to take this E-sports more seriously. Progamer is a person who plays a video/computer game competitvely for living. This type of job is far more different than just working in a cubicle in the office. This is what Sheth said pretty much: I don't have really good reasons why I'm not returning to Korea. I just don't want to go back . Sheth seems to be missing following qualities as a progamer: 1.Passion to get better every day: practicing in Korea will get you better and some progamer want to come to Korea but they just don't have the finance to do it. It's an opportunity. 2.dedication to your team and teamates: What are you doing to your teamates- most of them are pretty much under the same condition as you were except you got thorough code a qualification. The person with most reason to stay in Korea from Fxo decides to leave for personal discomforts..... 3. love for the game and your fans: There are your fans who cheer and support upon your Korea trip. Watching you play on Gomtv at 3-5 am.... Instead, he rather sits at home, does streaming with commercials, and do some coaching. He is not a fighter. He just wants to do just enough to get by as a progamer. I know and we all agree that he is a nice guy. I'm not arguing that nor his skills but mentally he is as bad as it gets for a progamer. | ||
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bovi
Japan208 Posts
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
On July 12 2011 01:04 puzzl wrote: Every person has a different view on the reality.I demand nothing of anyone. What Sheth does is Sheth's choice. I am merely stating a reality. On July 12 2011 01:04 puzzl wrote:I do think it is disappointing that he has left his team high and dry because he wasn't properly able to evaluate his tendencies before making a commitment. He already was in Korea and did win some games there. He did his part. We hoped for more, true. Still no reason to criticize lack of commitment. So far as he went, he committed most of his life to the game and the team. | ||
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Biane
Australia645 Posts
On July 12 2011 01:13 canikizu wrote: I don't really hate Sheth for doing this. What I hate is everytime the foreigners send someone to Korea, we have our hope up, and we got shot down every time. Sheth is just one of many so-called progamers that can't get serious enough to sacrifice for at least 1 month. Note to FXO: prepare a CD-ROM in FXO house in Malaysia, or Sheth won't come. QFT. Sheth could have been the next jinro/huk. Lets be frank, when he defeated san, I personally thought he could go the whole way. For someone who had only just arrived in korea, taking out one of the better protoss in the GSL, now thats an incredible feat, losing only to the code A finalist. On July 12 2011 01:12 FXOpen wrote: Although I felt it was necessary for me to announce before our fOu match, that sheth would not be there. I didn't expect the responses posted in this forum. I am not saying people are right or wrong in how they are thinking. However, there are alot of false facts in this thread. Weird perspectives about professionalism and strange insights into a country that people probably know little about. Perhaps I shouldn't have let the cat out of the bag, but I kind of had to avoid the "Wheres sheth" questions by posting this. Guys chill out. I don't even think that this thread requires much of a response. Another way to view this is that due to sheth's "short success" during his showings in the GSL, he did very good for the circumstances he was under and people start to "pin expectations" on him. Maybe not many people saw the previous post about sheth's forfeiting the wildcard tournament (only 5 pages, this one's already 20++) and about his intentions to stay for about only a month. For some reason your post implies that this decision of sheth should be of no surprise to everyone, but judging from the amount of responses here, it certainly is. I might be wrong on this, but if sheth isnt as famous as i think he is, we wouldnt get all these varying responses from people. You cant get more known/famous attracting only diehard fanboys (no offence) without attract the other wider spectrum of people on a bell curve. | ||
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
On July 12 2011 02:46 bovi wrote: He delivered some games and I am happy about that. Would I like to see more of him in the GSTL or even GSL? Fuck yes! I purchased the GSL July ticket partly because of my hope to see Sheth running deep into Code-A. Then he lost in RO16 and forfeits the match for the free Code-S spot.he must have a reason(s) that we don't know about. its very unprofessional to not see out the 3 months of GSTL. whoever paid for GSTL to watch sheth has been jacked. I still support any of his decisions, even if I see less GS(T)L games of him. I hoped for more; but to be honest, never truly expected that he can beat San in the GSL. Yet he did. | ||
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StyLeD
United States2965 Posts
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FXOpen
Australia1844 Posts
On July 12 2011 02:50 Biane wrote: QFT. Sheth could have been the next jinro/huk. Lets be frank, when he defeated san, I personally thought he could go the whole way. For someone who had only just arrived in korea, taking out one of the better protoss in the GSL, now thats an incredible feat, losing only to the code A finalist. Another way to view this is that due to sheth's "short success" during his showings in the GSL, he did very good for the circumstances he was under and people start to "pin expectations" on him. Maybe not many people saw the previous post about sheth's forfeiting the wildcard tournament (only 5 pages, this one's already 20++) and about his intentions to stay for about only a month. For some reason your post implies that this decision of sheth should be of no surprise to everyone, but judging from the amount of responses here, it certainly is. I might be wrong on this, but if sheth isnt as famous as i think he is, we wouldnt get all these varying responses from people. You cant get more known/famous attracting only diehard fanboys (no offence) without attract the other wider spectrum of people on a bell curve. No, you misinterpret me. I simply stated that it should be a neutral thing. It was just an advisory to the public. Same as if Beckham werent attending a friendly match, or something like that. | ||
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Nerchio
Poland2633 Posts
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fourColo
United States363 Posts
On July 12 2011 02:48 [F_]aths wrote: Every person has a different view on the reality. He already was in Korea and did win some games there. He did his part. We hoped for more, true. Still no reason to criticize lack of commitment. So far as he went, he committed most of his life to the game and the team. He didn't do his part, he peace'd on his team. He. Abandoned. His. Team. Later dudes gotta hang out with mommy and daddy. If Jinro plays 100 more games in Korea and loses every single one of him he'd still be 100x more successful in my eyes. In fact I'd rather just see Sheth get trashed in Code A and team league but still try his hardest than bail on his team. | ||
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Wiebelhaus
United States4 Posts
On July 11 2011 16:09 Sheth wrote: Hey there TL. I wanted to be the first one to explain this, but I guess Josh beat me to it. ............ ........heading home to prepare for MLG in my own way. Hopefully you at TL the reader can respect this and if not I understand. I still have much love for FXO and ofc TL. <3 Sheth No worries man , we totally understand , I'd feel the same way! You can represent the US in the US and do your damn thing better if your cool and calm. Cheers Sheth /fan. | ||
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
Many players would've loved such a rare opportunity. This is like quitting your job while you're out on a lunch break. Worse is he ditches his teammates. | ||
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Biane
Australia645 Posts
On July 12 2011 02:57 FXOpen wrote: No, you misinterpret me. I simply stated that it should be a neutral thing. It was just an advisory to the public. Same as if Beckham werent attending a friendly match, or something like that. Well i guess this advisory is getting a bit out of hand then. It seems that its really hard to maintain neutrality (much less common sense, manners and decency!) on a matter that will involve "fans" emotionally one way or another. | ||
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FXOpen
Australia1844 Posts
On July 12 2011 03:06 Biane wrote: Well i guess this advisory is getting a bit out of hand then. It seems that its really hard to maintain neutrality (much less common sense, manners and decency!) on a matter that will involve "fans" emotionally one way or another. Life of the interwebz. | ||
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
On July 12 2011 03:01 Ownos wrote: Sir, which qualification do you have to make such a bold statement?This is extremely disappointing. -.- Many players would've loved such a rare opportunity. This is like quitting your job while you're out on a lunch break. Worse is he ditches his teammates. Are you a professional gamer? Do you actually know what Sheth had to do to go so far as he went? Are you into deep enough in the scene so you can compare his move with quitting a job on a lunch brake? Did FXO members tell you that they feel being let down? | ||
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Bellygareth
France512 Posts
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