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Good luck in the future Sheth!
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On July 13 2011 03:40 SovSov wrote:
It's called a discussion board. Why are you here if that's the way you feel about discussion? In some parts it looks more like a hate board.
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On July 13 2011 03:47 Hierarch wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 03:40 SovSov wrote:On July 13 2011 03:30 HyperionDreamer wrote:On July 13 2011 03:10 SovSov wrote:On July 13 2011 02:48 Zedex wrote:On July 13 2011 02:38 SovSov wrote:
dumb.
obviously he can do what he wants to but he is seriously handicapping himself by not spending time in Korea.
staying and practicing in korea for even just 6 months would benefit his career greatly. i'm disappointed that he can't man up enough to stick it out for the quality practice--even if he hates everything else about living there.
not only that, but he was one of the only players who showed immediate promise on FXO. so despite what his teammates say, i'm sure he is letting them down.
overall this is a very poor choice that shows a serious lack of character.
good luck tho--have fun trying to become the best player you can be while practicing in the worst main region. People like you disgust me. He knows that the best place to train is Korea you have to be a fucking moron to not realize that there is more to this than "he doesn't like it". Making stupid statements like "he can't even man up enough to stick it out" your incredibly insensitive towards his situation. He's trying to be the best he can and douche bags like you saying he has a "lack of character" don't help. How about you have some kind of consideration for what he has gone through which has obviously been a very uncomfortable time for him, otherwise he wouldn't be leaving, and have some fucking respect. It's pathetic. Manner the fuck up. Owned. xD No, get out. This is like a kid studying business in college dropping out.. just to go start his own business without a degree. He claims college just "wasn't for him" and that starting his own business without going through college is a much better decision because it's what he is comfortable with. Would you seriously sit there and tell that kid he is doing the right thing? Just read his post.. the reasons are pathetic. It really does come down to him not being man enough to stick it out for the improvement of himself and his team. Put your fanboyism aside and open your eyes. How are people suppose to take these players seriously when they can't even take themselves seriously? Life's about decisions and consequences. This hypothetical kid may succeed, he's likely going to fail and have to live with some repercussions. Sheth made a decision as an adult, I'm sure he knows the consequences of his actions, and he sure doesn't need you to tell him how to live his life. Manner up, that is all. How am I being bad mannered? If I can't sit here and tell him why it's a bad choice then you shouldn't be allowed to sit there and support him. Telling him it was a pathetic choice based on poor character is not telling him how to live his life--it's giving him perspective. Maybe he realizes the repercussions of his choice, but maybe he doesn't (you don't know any more than I do). It might be kind of hard when fanboys will blindly support every decision with blaze and glory no matter what. This is the most annoying part of Team Liquid. If I says one thing even remotely negative people like you have to come out and act like I'm doing something bigger than giving my opinion. On July 13 2011 03:37 Hierarch wrote:
Why do people care so fucking much what Sheth does with his life? If his team is fine with it and this is what he feels is best for him then why does everyone care so much that they are now disgusted with him and have no respect for him? He gave his reasons, he was apologetic and his team has accepted this decision, so why do people feel the need to get on their high horses and criticize him when they have no idea how the experience in Korea was for him. Why do you care about us enough to reply? Hypocrite. It's called a discussion board. Why are you here if this is the way you feel about discussion? I just find it annoying when people are trying to put their ideals of what's right and wrong on someone else, you're also not discussing anything you're just lambasting someone for a decision you don't agree with. You claim it was a pathetic choice based on poor character yet you have no idea if it was a bad choice, doing what you feel is right and what you're comfortable with is always the right choice, doing something you don't like will always yield a less than 100% effort. Being in korea is not the best for everyone regardless what people may think. Players like Ret and idrA have kept a high level of play outside of korea and even played better then when they were there due to being in a better environment that they like. Korea is not for everyone, it is a great place to train but if it's not for you it's not for you, it has nothing to do with character.
No I gave my opinion just like you just did. Difference is I'm being attacked for mine just because it's not supportive. I've been having to defend my own opinion. Because that's the TeamLiquid motto--Stone the naysayers!
Also, nice contradiction:
"I just find it annoying when people are trying to put their ideals of what's right and wrong"
"doing what you feel is right and what you're comfortable with is always the right choice"
See? This is really pathetic. Lol.
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On July 13 2011 03:51 SovSov wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 03:47 Hierarch wrote:On July 13 2011 03:40 SovSov wrote:On July 13 2011 03:30 HyperionDreamer wrote:On July 13 2011 03:10 SovSov wrote:On July 13 2011 02:48 Zedex wrote:On July 13 2011 02:38 SovSov wrote:
dumb.
obviously he can do what he wants to but he is seriously handicapping himself by not spending time in Korea.
staying and practicing in korea for even just 6 months would benefit his career greatly. i'm disappointed that he can't man up enough to stick it out for the quality practice--even if he hates everything else about living there.
not only that, but he was one of the only players who showed immediate promise on FXO. so despite what his teammates say, i'm sure he is letting them down.
overall this is a very poor choice that shows a serious lack of character.
good luck tho--have fun trying to become the best player you can be while practicing in the worst main region. People like you disgust me. He knows that the best place to train is Korea you have to be a fucking moron to not realize that there is more to this than "he doesn't like it". Making stupid statements like "he can't even man up enough to stick it out" your incredibly insensitive towards his situation. He's trying to be the best he can and douche bags like you saying he has a "lack of character" don't help. How about you have some kind of consideration for what he has gone through which has obviously been a very uncomfortable time for him, otherwise he wouldn't be leaving, and have some fucking respect. It's pathetic. Manner the fuck up. Owned. xD No, get out. This is like a kid studying business in college dropping out.. just to go start his own business without a degree. He claims college just "wasn't for him" and that starting his own business without going through college is a much better decision because it's what he is comfortable with. Would you seriously sit there and tell that kid he is doing the right thing? Just read his post.. the reasons are pathetic. It really does come down to him not being man enough to stick it out for the improvement of himself and his team. Put your fanboyism aside and open your eyes. How are people suppose to take these players seriously when they can't even take themselves seriously? Life's about decisions and consequences. This hypothetical kid may succeed, he's likely going to fail and have to live with some repercussions. Sheth made a decision as an adult, I'm sure he knows the consequences of his actions, and he sure doesn't need you to tell him how to live his life. Manner up, that is all. How am I being bad mannered? If I can't sit here and tell him why it's a bad choice then you shouldn't be allowed to sit there and support him. Telling him it was a pathetic choice based on poor character is not telling him how to live his life--it's giving him perspective. Maybe he realizes the repercussions of his choice, but maybe he doesn't (you don't know any more than I do). It might be kind of hard when fanboys will blindly support every decision with blaze and glory no matter what. This is the most annoying part of Team Liquid. If I says one thing even remotely negative people like you have to come out and act like I'm doing something bigger than giving my opinion. On July 13 2011 03:37 Hierarch wrote:
Why do people care so fucking much what Sheth does with his life? If his team is fine with it and this is what he feels is best for him then why does everyone care so much that they are now disgusted with him and have no respect for him? He gave his reasons, he was apologetic and his team has accepted this decision, so why do people feel the need to get on their high horses and criticize him when they have no idea how the experience in Korea was for him. Why do you care about us enough to reply? Hypocrite. It's called a discussion board. Why are you here if this is the way you feel about discussion? I just find it annoying when people are trying to put their ideals of what's right and wrong on someone else, you're also not discussing anything you're just lambasting someone for a decision you don't agree with. You claim it was a pathetic choice based on poor character yet you have no idea if it was a bad choice, doing what you feel is right and what you're comfortable with is always the right choice, doing something you don't like will always yield a less than 100% effort. Being in korea is not the best for everyone regardless what people may think. Players like Ret and idrA have kept a high level of play outside of korea and even played better then when they were there due to being in a better environment that they like. Korea is not for everyone, it is a great place to train but if it's not for you it's not for you, it has nothing to do with character. No I gave my opinion just like you just did. Difference is I'm being attacked for mine just because it's not supportive. I've been having to defend my own opinion. Because that's the TeamLiquid motto--Stone the naysayers!
I've never felt that in any thread i've viewed, so no idea where you're getting that. But to each their own, you keep on hating on Sheth, more power to you!
Edit: Got me! you found a small contradiction in my post yet missed the rest of it, +1 point for you, keep on hating it suits you.
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On July 13 2011 03:55 Hierarch wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 03:51 SovSov wrote:On July 13 2011 03:47 Hierarch wrote:On July 13 2011 03:40 SovSov wrote:On July 13 2011 03:30 HyperionDreamer wrote:On July 13 2011 03:10 SovSov wrote:On July 13 2011 02:48 Zedex wrote:On July 13 2011 02:38 SovSov wrote:
dumb.
obviously he can do what he wants to but he is seriously handicapping himself by not spending time in Korea.
staying and practicing in korea for even just 6 months would benefit his career greatly. i'm disappointed that he can't man up enough to stick it out for the quality practice--even if he hates everything else about living there.
not only that, but he was one of the only players who showed immediate promise on FXO. so despite what his teammates say, i'm sure he is letting them down.
overall this is a very poor choice that shows a serious lack of character.
good luck tho--have fun trying to become the best player you can be while practicing in the worst main region. People like you disgust me. He knows that the best place to train is Korea you have to be a fucking moron to not realize that there is more to this than "he doesn't like it". Making stupid statements like "he can't even man up enough to stick it out" your incredibly insensitive towards his situation. He's trying to be the best he can and douche bags like you saying he has a "lack of character" don't help. How about you have some kind of consideration for what he has gone through which has obviously been a very uncomfortable time for him, otherwise he wouldn't be leaving, and have some fucking respect. It's pathetic. Manner the fuck up. Owned. xD No, get out. This is like a kid studying business in college dropping out.. just to go start his own business without a degree. He claims college just "wasn't for him" and that starting his own business without going through college is a much better decision because it's what he is comfortable with. Would you seriously sit there and tell that kid he is doing the right thing? Just read his post.. the reasons are pathetic. It really does come down to him not being man enough to stick it out for the improvement of himself and his team. Put your fanboyism aside and open your eyes. How are people suppose to take these players seriously when they can't even take themselves seriously? Life's about decisions and consequences. This hypothetical kid may succeed, he's likely going to fail and have to live with some repercussions. Sheth made a decision as an adult, I'm sure he knows the consequences of his actions, and he sure doesn't need you to tell him how to live his life. Manner up, that is all. How am I being bad mannered? If I can't sit here and tell him why it's a bad choice then you shouldn't be allowed to sit there and support him. Telling him it was a pathetic choice based on poor character is not telling him how to live his life--it's giving him perspective. Maybe he realizes the repercussions of his choice, but maybe he doesn't (you don't know any more than I do). It might be kind of hard when fanboys will blindly support every decision with blaze and glory no matter what. This is the most annoying part of Team Liquid. If I says one thing even remotely negative people like you have to come out and act like I'm doing something bigger than giving my opinion. On July 13 2011 03:37 Hierarch wrote:
Why do people care so fucking much what Sheth does with his life? If his team is fine with it and this is what he feels is best for him then why does everyone care so much that they are now disgusted with him and have no respect for him? He gave his reasons, he was apologetic and his team has accepted this decision, so why do people feel the need to get on their high horses and criticize him when they have no idea how the experience in Korea was for him. Why do you care about us enough to reply? Hypocrite. It's called a discussion board. Why are you here if this is the way you feel about discussion? I just find it annoying when people are trying to put their ideals of what's right and wrong on someone else, you're also not discussing anything you're just lambasting someone for a decision you don't agree with. You claim it was a pathetic choice based on poor character yet you have no idea if it was a bad choice, doing what you feel is right and what you're comfortable with is always the right choice, doing something you don't like will always yield a less than 100% effort. Being in korea is not the best for everyone regardless what people may think. Players like Ret and idrA have kept a high level of play outside of korea and even played better then when they were there due to being in a better environment that they like. Korea is not for everyone, it is a great place to train but if it's not for you it's not for you, it has nothing to do with character. No I gave my opinion just like you just did. Difference is I'm being attacked for mine just because it's not supportive. I've been having to defend my own opinion. Because that's the TeamLiquid motto--Stone the naysayers! I've never felt that in any thread i've viewed, so no idea where you're getting that. But to each their own, you keep on hating on Sheth, more power to you!
Of course you wouldn't see it, because you're one of them.
"Hurr, I don't like you giving your ideals on whats right or wrong! You have no place to do that!"
"Durr, but here's my idea of what's right! Get out troll! heuheueh"
It's not a small contradiction, it sets up your entire post to contradict itself. The amount of blindness you show towards everything of the opposite opinion is amazing.
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SHETH SO MANNER! Hwaiting!
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On July 11 2011 15:35 Wren wrote:
Woah, gigantic news! Sorry to hear it didn't work out in Korea, hope to hear more positive news from Sheth soon!
Sheth FIGHTING!!!
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I had huge expectations for sheth. He was definitely the top 3 in FXO (Oz,qxc,Sheth). After all that money spent on the trip he decides to back out. Kinda pathetic. but hey, u gotta do watcha gotta do.
hope he reimburses fxo for this drama.
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He just missed out on a HUGE opportunity to get considerably better. He's got to sort out his personal things first though, shame it didn't work out. Hopefully the other FXO guys can pick up the slack.
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The point I tried to make earlier was that people here don't know the whole story and to judge him and hate him for it is unfair and immature. To see people be so idiotic got me kind of annoyed and the things I said were probably a little out of place but the point still remains that without knowing what actually happened and why he left people should not be judging him and even more so hating him and saying things to insult him personally is silly.
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I feel for the FXO owners.. I mean he is pouring his heart and soul into his team. I heard he invested his money to send select members to korea to participate in the GSL (I may be wrong), so I expect them to fulfil the duration because its a paid for by FXO, and their key players gone missing brings it down. Where is moonglade btw, shouldn't be come as well? Common FXO guys ur boss is putting hope into ya guys and helping the scene grow. I wish the FXO tournaments gets more publicity because it is really exciting to watch and sometimes different types of tournaments makes it interesting.
All in all I hope fxo is making profits for their investment because dayme they need some publicity.. AND PLzzz get a big SC2 in Australia please I wana watch some live games in a conference centre at least once in my life.
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Its a shame to see him throw away something so many pro-sc2'ers would have killed for.
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On July 11 2011 16:25 Zandar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 16:21 mdb wrote:
Of course its hard to stay with 10 guys in one room the whole day, it was hard for Flash, it was hard for Jaedong, it was hard for Nada, it was hard for Idra, It is hard for Huk and Jinro, but thats the price to pay if you want to be a champion. No love for the quitters. Bullshit. I can 100% understand him, some people just need their privacy more than others.
Although I have the same problem it comes simply from not being used to living with other people in my room. I absolutely understand that the team house is too big of a step from private living, on the other hand Korea is what's FXO about and their house in Malaysia should provide enough living space for him to come back after MLG.
You cannot really support/hate him for it, the problem I see is that he got on the team, the team accepted him and now he has to take it slow. S**t happens.
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On July 13 2011 04:13 Zedex wrote:
The point I tried to make earlier was that people here don't know the whole story and to judge him and hate him for it is unfair and immature. To see people be so idiotic got me kind of annoyed and the things I said were probably a little out of place but the point still remains that without knowing what actually happened and why he left people should not be judging him and even more so hating him and saying things to insult him personally is silly.
I attacked his decision. And we do know what happen, did you read the post by Sheth? We know what happened, we don't know every facet of the case, but i can come to conclusions based on what we were given. Its a job, not a hobby, if he can't take the heat, get someone who can.
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Well this experience will teach FXO to better screen the potential new players for the team so moonglade/sheth does not happen again
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I just listened to Sheth talk about this on Destiny's stream, and I totally support his decision to not go back. A trip to Korea can be a good experience, but staying there isn't for everybody. If eSports continues to grow in the West as it has, and teams start to push their players more, it hopefully won't be necessary to move to Korea to be one of the best.
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Maybe some people would feel better about this... if Sheth used his own money to go to Korea like Torch did. But he didn't and now FXO is footing his entire bill. I suppose that's what many are upset over.
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I wonder, if Korea failed that hard, how will he be able to stay in the team house in malaysia?
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i dont understand why nobody wants to stay in korea.. doesnt anyone have ambitions 
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On July 13 2011 05:09 Naniwa wrote:i dont understand why nobody wants to stay in korea.. doesnt anyone have ambitions
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