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This is the official feedback thread for mousespeed.net. A blog mainly about mice and how to best control them.
My first article is about how to optimally configure your mouse for SC 2: how to set your sensitivity, 1:1 input (6/11, 51 %), 1000 Hz polling are some of the topics I touch.
I wanna thank wo1fwood for helping me out with some of the technical stuff. And of course I used his “Overview of Mouse Technology” extensively, so thanks for that, too. 
In the future I’m going to cover topics like finding the optimal sensitivity, mouse speed games and the optimal SC 2 setup in general. Feel free to suggest topics. Please don’t hold back any kind of feedback. I have a thick skin. 
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I have evo ec2 , 450 dpi and 1150 dpi, 450 is too slow and 1150 too fast on 6/11
what can I do?
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On April 01 2013 21:55 xgtx wrote:
I have evo ec2 , 450 dpi and 1150 dpi, 450 is too slow and 1150 too fast on 6/11
what can I do?
Your mouse has a 3090 sensor (= a very good sensor) and both 1150 CPI and 450 CPI are free of flaws. That’s why I recommend to use 1150 CPI and use Windows and SC 2 to lower your sensitivity from there on. (If you’d choose 450 CPI you’d have to use values above 6/11 which would result in pixel skipping.)
With standard Windows values you can reach ~ 862 (5/11) and ~575 CPI (4/11).
With Glymbols tool you could further reach ~ 1006 CPI (9/20) or ~ 718 CPI (7/20).
Out of these values I’d choose the one which feels best. If you’re indifferent between two values, you should choose the one which drops counts in a harmonic way. In your case the only harmonic value is 4/11 (or 6/20, if you’re using Glymbols tool).
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I think a thread like that will fit better under "tech support" forum.
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nice article, just got a 2013 deathadder and this is great for figuring out how to set it up
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I have a mx518 isn't better to just turn off the sc2 sensitivity and use the same sensitivity as in windows set by my logitech drivers?
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On April 02 2013 01:26 theBALLS wrote:
I think a thread like that will fit better under "tech support" forum.
Maybe. My next article though is about how to find the optimal sensitivity, which is much less techy.
On April 02 2013 02:19 THELEHGOTERRAN wrote:
nice article, just got a 2013 deathadder and this is great for figuring out how to set it up
Thanks  The DA has a good sensor. I would stay away from the new Synapse drivers; I have read a lot of bad things about it (see here). Good thing you still can download the old non-Synapse drivers.
On April 02 2013 02:30 PanzerElite wrote:
I have a mx518 isn't better to just turn off the sc2 sensitivity and use the same sensitivity as in windows set by my logitech drivers?
The difference between turning off the SC 2 sensitivity and not is small. Turning it on is just slightly better, in my opinion.
I would only use logitech drivers if you cannot get to your dream sensitivity with Windows alone.
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I've learned all of this over time on tl but I wish I had been able to read this starting out. You should make a guide on as well on how to hold a mouse, not binding things to them and how sensitivity can injure your hand.
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Was a good thread man, I learned quite a lot, but it'll be most useful for some of my friends who still equate higher DPI with higher precision
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On April 02 2013 06:35 mewo wrote:
I've learned all of this over time on tl but I wish I had been able to read this starting out. You should make a guide on as well on how to hold a mouse, not binding things to them and how sensitivity can injure your hand.
Exactly, this is way more important than just pure sensitivity settings Posture, overuse of the side buttons, also high sensitivity cause a lot of stress to the hand etc.
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Great article!
Quick question though - if I use 1260 on my SS Sensei (I forgot why such a value but I think the actual DPI increemnts are by 60? ) I should use 500Hz polling rate right?
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On April 02 2013 06:56 Wombat_NI wrote:
Was a good thread man, I learned quite a lot, but it'll be most useful for some of my friends who still equate higher DPI with higher precision
I guess I'm one of those people. I got a new mouse for Christmas and I've been using the 3200 DPI option. To be fair though I don't have that much real estate for my mouse.
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On April 02 2013 06:35 mewo wrote:
I've learned all of this over time on tl but I wish I had been able to read this starting out.
Thanks. I also have “learned this over time”, but this is an inefficient way of learning things. That’s why I wanted to make something like the famous Antigen “CS:S Mouse Optimization Guide” for SC 2.
On April 02 2013 06:35 mewo wrote:
You should make a guide on as well on how to hold a mouse, not binding things to them ...
Those are on my radar, too. Concerning “how to hold a mouse”: I’m pro fingertip grip.
And don’t get me started on side buttons: people bind things to them and think they’re saving time. In my opinion the optimal side button count for SC 2 is two: left click and right click. The use of side buttons is especially bad when using fingertip grip, because in that case the fingers used for pressing side buttons should be stabilizing your mouse.
On April 02 2013 06:35 mewo wrote:
You should make a guide on how sensitivity can injure your hand.
On April 02 2013 07:05 kYem wrote:Exactly, this is way more important than just pure sensitivity settings Posture, overuse of the side buttons, also high sensitivity cause a lot of stress to the hand etc.
Finding the right sensitivity is far more difficult and far more important, than setting up your sensitivity. Totally with you there. Sadly many gamers use a sensitivity which is way too high which can result in less precision, less speed and, as you two pointed out, even injuries.
By the way: originally I wanted to start with finding the right sensitivity, but found that it’d be more practical the other way round. And I didn’t want to force these two topics into one.
On April 02 2013 07:27 hXc_ wrote:
Great article!
Thanks.
On April 02 2013 07:27 hXc_ wrote:
Quick question though - if I use 1260 on my SS Sensei (I forgot why such a value but I think the actual DPI increemnts are by 60? ) I should use 500Hz polling rate right?
The Sensei, after you updated it, can be set to any CPI you want, for example 666 CPI. However: 666 CPI could be marginally inferior to 540 or 720 (which are a multiple of 90; not 60 ). Multiples of 90 are so called native steps. Everything in between is interpolated. According to Skylit these interpolated steps could, as mentioned above, be marginally inferior. In your case I would use 1270 instead of 1260, as 1270 is a multiple of 90 and it really is close by.
Regarding Hz: Glymbol (a very knowledgable mouse reviewer from overclock.net) recommends the following:
FPS games: 400-800 DPI, 500 Hz
for everything else: 1200-1600 DPI, 125 Hz
If I were you I would lower my CPI below 1000 and then use 1000 Hz polling. You could check your polling rates with Mouse Movement Recorder: if your PC isn’t able to handle 1000 Hz there is not much sense in using it. In that case 500 Hz is the way to go.
On April 02 2013 08:18 Farmer Poopy wrote:
I got a new mouse for Christmas and I've been using the 3200 DPI option. To be fair though I don't have that much real estate for my mouse.
3200 CPI really is a lot. If you do have enough real estate for 1600 CPI I would strongly recommend to giving that a try.
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On April 02 2013 01:26 theBALLS wrote:
I think a thread like that will fit better under "tech support" forum.
Second this, if you are going to talk about mice configurations it's for the tech section even if your next section is mouse sensitivity. That's still tech.
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On April 02 2013 20:07 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 01:26 theBALLS wrote:
I think a thread like that will fit better under "tech support" forum. Second this, if you are going to talk about mice configurations it's for the tech section even if your next section is mouse sensitivity. That's still tech.
It definitely has techy elements. Although much less than “Chrome taking a LOT of Memory” …
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On April 02 2013 20:07 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 01:26 theBALLS wrote:
I think a thread like that will fit better under "tech support" forum. Second this, if you are going to talk about mice configurations it's for the tech section even if your next section is mouse sensitivity. That's still tech.
i think this is general enough and discussion provoking enough to be in sc2 general
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It's quit interesting to discuss about, but I think we don't get a perfect setting out of this, since it goes way to deep theoreticially. You probably have to work as a scientist and do lots of research, while it also depends on the way someone researches a certain object.
Cause it's not just about the mouse it's settings and shape, but also has to do with the human body. The shape of the hands, the way an individual body reacts (which differs each person).
But yeah we can also make it simple and think of standard logic such as a certain shape "probably" fitting a certain hand better than the other. And we can test it by letting the person test different mouses.
With my current sponsor "CM Storm" I do this by going to their booth and just using all the different hardware and let my comfort think what fits better, without even thinking of what is in fact better.
I think comfort == facts, but not always.
I don't think everytime you find something comfortable directly means it's comfortable for you as a person, but I also think that researching this takes way to much time as a competitive gamer.
It's an endless discussion which i usually just answer by: use what you find comfortable.
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On April 02 2013 21:54 Gianttt wrote:
It's quit interesting to discuss about, but I think we don't get a perfect setting out of this, since it goes way to deep theoreticially.
You probably have to work as a scientist and do lots of research, while it also depends on the way someone researches a certain object.
Cause it's not just about the mouse it's settings and shape, but also has to do with the human body. The shape of the hands, the way an individual body reacts (which differs each person).
People often argument with personal preference and I often feel it is being used as a knockout argument. Sure, there is room for personal preference everywhere. But whether or not your mouse skipps pixels has nothing to do with it. It’s just plain bad. The question is if you tolerate it because your mouse only has 400 CPI and you definitely need 600 CPI and therefore use 5/11 in Windows.
On April 02 2013 21:54 Gianttt wrote:
But yeah we can also make it simple and think of standard logic such as a certain shape "probably" fitting a certain hand better than the other. And we can test it by letting the person test different mouses.
With my current sponsor "CM Storm" I do this by going to their booth and just using all the different hardware and let my comfort think what fits better, without even thinking of what is in fact better.
I think comfort == facts, but not always.
I don't think everytime you find something comfortable directly means it's comfortable for you as a person, but I also think that researching this takes way to much time as a competitive gamer.
It's an endless discussion which i usually just answer by: use what you find comfortable.
That’s one cool job you have right there. :D
Did you want to say “I don't think everytime you find something comfortable directly means it's [good] for you as a person”? In that case I agree. Just think of high jump. Back in school there was this really tall guy who just kind of walked over the bar. It sure was comfortable for him. But with better technique he could have gotten much higher, as walking over things only gets you so far in high jump.
So, yes: being comfortable with something is good. But it cannot be everything always.
I agree that trying to scientifically determine which equipment is best for which kind of person is very difficult.
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also i'm a little confused by this bit
Now that you have checked “Enable Mouse Sensitivity” you’re confronted with another slider. If you’re only interested in getting a 1:1 ratio you don’t need to understand how the slider works. Just set the slider to either 51 %, 52 %, 53 % or 54 %. Those four values are all exactly the same and function as 6/11 in Windows and thus give you a 1:1 ratio.
either 51, 52, 53, 54?
why are these four numbers significant? setting outside this range disrupts the 1:1 ratio? apologies for noob question.
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Your mouse, mouses settings, and how you use it is probably the most undervalued aspect of sc2 that is still extremely important. Like if you talk with anyone in the Tribes or CS community, all they ever talk about is sensitivities. But in sc2 or other rts games, no one ever talks about their mouse setup.
I'd imagine this is going to be a very useful read for the sc2 players out there.
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