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United States22154 Posts
After the conclusion of Nomination Mafia, I thought it would be beneficial to make this thread. The point of this thread is to control and organize how shadowing works, so that games don't get overwhelmed with everyone shadowing and so that hosts and players are kept in the loop.
Shadowing - What is shadowing?
Shadowing is participating alongside one of the players of a game of Mafia. Think of it as sort of a reverse coaching. In traditional coaching, you as the player are asking for tips and advice from your coach in regards to your role and the game-state. In the case of shadowing, you are in direct contact with ONE player with the goal of getting insight into how that player perceives and plays their current game. The shadow never interacts directly with the game/thread or others involved with the game. It is a one-to-one relationship with a single player in a game.
Hosts reserve the right to deny allowing shadows in their games. Please respect the hosts' wishes.
Rules of Shadowing
Pre-game:
- Shadowing must be cleared with the game host.
- You may choose to request being a shadow with a player of your own choice.
- You may not receive the Observer QT.
- You may not receive or know the alignment of any other player in the game.
- You may not disclose the interactions you have with your shadow to anyone outside of the host and the player you are shadowing until the game has ended.
- Remember that the player you are shadowing is doing you a great service!
During the game:
- Do not tell people who you are shadowing
- At any point the player you are shadowing may have to prioritize rl or actually playing the game, at that point, you may be put on the back burner, be accommodating.
- You may only communicate with the person you are shadowing with respect to the game
- Its your job to keep in touch with your mentor. Use any resources you deem amicable. PM, private QT, Skype, etc.
Post-game:
- Disclose your shadowing and share anything you feel is relevant.
- Ideas for things to talk about include how your views of the game were different from the players'.
- Share analysis / tips you have learned after the game has ended, so that others may also benefit.
Rules for the player being shadowed
- Don't give the person you are shadowing any knowledge other than that of your alignment, and if you want role.
- Don't talk about your shadow in the thread
- Try to keep in touch with the shadow and keep them informed. Remember, you are essentially a mentor.
- If anything looks odd or goes wrong, it is your job to get inform the host as fast as possible.
Each shadow team must be cleared by the host to be able to shadow in their game. This thread will keep a list of players who want to be shadowed, and people who want to shadow so we can get them in touch with each other and then in touch with the host. This can also serve as a sort of queue if the demand is high enough.
Mentors:
GMarshal
supersoft
GreYMisT
grush57
Promethelax
VisceraEyes
Blazinghand
Shadows:
slOosh
warbaby
Promethelax
Post here, or PM me to get on the list. With any luck this will raise the general level of play, and allow newer players a way to get a better insight into the game.
(credit for the revamped op goes to ObviousOne, who re-wrote it for me)
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What is the difference between shadowing and personal coaching?
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Sounds like its the exact opposite.
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United States22154 Posts
On February 24 2013 09:33 Acrofales wrote:
What is the difference between shadowing and personal coaching?
When you get personal coaching, its a veteran advising an inexperienced player, when you shadow its a newer player watching a veteran player playing ,following their thought processes, and learning from that.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
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sounds pretty good... this is so much better than coaching. I am /in :-P
if someone wants to shadow me ^_^
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If someone shadows me, there will be 6 more weeks of winter.
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I want to shadow if I count as newer player!
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GM ill join in on this if thats alright.
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I'd like to sign up to shadow an experienced player, please. Sounds like a fun way to learn! 
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I want to shadow my self.
When it goes into hollywood production they can call it "The mind of a madman"
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I'd be happy shadowing or being shadowed. Depends on the level of the other player involved of course. This s a really excellent idea and has the potential to improve our play as a whole which I'm quite excited by.
If there are enough takers on both sides of this I think it could be valuable to host an all shadow game. I'd be interested in helping with such a game by playing, hosting or shadowing.
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United Kingdom36160 Posts
Sure, I'm in.
slOosh, I'll PM you when I roll mafia...
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I want to shadow Cheesecake.
We may end up randomly switching to "coaching" and/or cybersex though.
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And for what it's worth, I feel like giving the shadow the names of teammates in the case of a scum shadow helps cut down the influence of having a shadow has on the player. I said this in Nomination, but no one responded. Is that not really a concern? Because that's something I thought of at the beginning of the game (see Obvious' post) and something slOosh picked up on immediately on hearing about it too.
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On February 26 2013 07:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
And for what it's worth, I feel like giving the shadow the names of teammates in the case of a scum shadow helps cut down the influence of having a shadow has on the player. I said this in Nomination, but no one responded. Is that not really a concern? Because that's something I thought of at the beginning of the game (see Obvious' post) and something slOosh picked up on immediately on hearing about it too.
I think the problem with that is the shadowing player doesn't get to improve in any real way. Like scum is about acting and not being in the game he doesn't get to act. The idea, as far as I can tell, is to give the shadowing player a chance to work on analysis with a dedicated assistant. I think that falls apart if he has the whole scum team. I could be wrong though.
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Well when I shadowed Obvious I released the team incrementally so he had a chance to analyze too, but when an observational advantage would be most powerful (late-game) he had as much info as I did so his observations would mean less to me as a player because his viewpoint isn't objective anymore.
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