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ZvT Mutalisk "Magic Box" via PsyStarcraft

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Iggyhopper
Profile Joined July 2010
United States259 Posts
August 20 2010 20:39 GMT
#1
Wooooow! Obviously this is what you want to do -- avoid splash, but now it's so much easier and won't require as much micro.

DeltruS
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada2214 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-20 20:59:33
August 20 2010 20:42 GMT
#2
Notice how he mentioned he learned this from a TL post. You might wanna link that post and not act like PsY discovered it. Great video by PsY anyways; hopefully this will reach more people this way. I foresee a much evolution of TvZ.

Here's the thread; a great first post.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=145719
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Looky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1608 Posts
August 20 2010 20:44 GMT
#3
am i the only one who knew this a long time ago haha. i didnt think anything of it tho. just fly over them and push attack to an empty space. you dont have to push "stop"
R0YAL
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States1768 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-20 20:45:37
August 20 2010 20:45 GMT
#4
On August 21 2010 05:44 Looky wrote:
am i the only one who knew this a long time ago haha. i didnt think anything of it tho. just fly over them and push attack to an empty space. you dont have to push "stop"

nope iv been saying it since the beta... pretty much common sense
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CheeseGrater
Profile Joined August 2010
United States290 Posts
August 20 2010 20:46 GMT
#5
Yeah way to completely rip the OP of the original thread off without crediting him at all....
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
August 20 2010 20:46 GMT
#6
On August 21 2010 05:44 Looky wrote:
am i the only one who knew this a long time ago haha. i didnt think anything of it tho. just fly over them and push attack to an empty space. you dont have to push "stop"

I haven't heard anyone specifically talk about it with regard to muta/thor but I think it's pretty widely known that units keep formation when you tell them to move somewhere, so clearly it's the best way to engage thors.

if you watch replays of someone like Zenio this is exactly how he does it
CheezDip
Profile Joined June 2010
126 Posts
August 20 2010 20:48 GMT
#7
On August 21 2010 05:45 R0YAL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 05:44 Looky wrote:
am i the only one who knew this a long time ago haha. i didnt think anything of it tho. just fly over them and push attack to an empty space. you dont have to push "stop"

nope iv been saying it since the beta... pretty much common sense


Yea I thought it was well known too and I was using it in the beta, but nobody on the boards really wanted to listen when I and others said mutas were really not hard-countered by thors at all if you just move without bunching.
AskJoshy
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1625 Posts
August 20 2010 20:53 GMT
#8
What would happen if you queue commands... move past the thors, then queue attacks to 1 thor at a time? Do they clump after initially moving? I don't think that they would, and I think it might actually be the most efficient way to do it.
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Sgany
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom790 Posts
August 20 2010 21:43 GMT
#9
On August 21 2010 05:46 CheeseGrater wrote:
Yeah way to completely rip the OP of the original thread off without crediting him at all....


The video mentions that thread and has a link to it........
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knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
August 20 2010 21:48 GMT
#10
Definitely just add it in the other thread but this video really drives the point home. I knew about magic boxes but had no idea the thor splash was so small.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 20 2010 21:53 GMT
#11
Already known, but I think the biggest thing this emphasizes is how small the Thor splash actually is. It really is minimal unless the mutas are actually in contact with one another.
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cyprin
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1105 Posts
August 20 2010 21:56 GMT
#12
2400/2400 of mutas beat 1200/800 of thors?
FromGorkyWithLove
Profile Joined February 2010
Latvia71 Posts
August 20 2010 21:57 GMT
#13
what program/map do they use to create this? or they make a special map like this with muta/thor??
CheeseGrater
Profile Joined August 2010
United States290 Posts
August 20 2010 21:57 GMT
#14
On August 21 2010 06:43 Sgany wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 05:46 CheeseGrater wrote:
Yeah way to completely rip the OP of the original thread off without crediting him at all....


The video mentions that thread and has a link to it........


He edited that in after
Tabbris
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Bangladesh2839 Posts
August 20 2010 21:58 GMT
#15
On August 21 2010 06:57 FromGorkyWithLove wrote:
what program/map do they use to create this? or they make a special map like this with muta/thor??

The map editor maybe?
koOma
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway462 Posts
August 20 2010 21:58 GMT
#16
how does this work with say MM+Thor composition? do muta prioritize thors?
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CheeseGrater
Profile Joined August 2010
United States290 Posts
August 20 2010 21:58 GMT
#17
Didn't actually watch the video sry
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
August 20 2010 22:03 GMT
#18
On August 21 2010 06:56 cyprin wrote:
2400/2400 of mutas beat 1200/800 of thors?


The unit retention is what we are focusing on. 20 with spread and stop versus 8 with attack move.
Galleon.frigate
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada721 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-20 22:16:10
August 20 2010 22:12 GMT
#19
so I've known of this for weeks, not that I'm special, read it here weeks ago.
yet no one has posted a replay where this made a different at high level? I know I've been looking...


I'm very excited to see somethign happen, but ... wtf.. still waiting
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17251 Posts
August 20 2010 22:20 GMT
#20
The title of this thread was greatly misleading. This is not the concept of the magic box -- it is something else entirely. There's a "box" element to it, but you're just going to confuse people from BW by calling it a magic box technique.
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