i loove when ppl say something like this....yet they r usually who whinge the most, instead of being cocky dip*** how about praising this idea or be constructve. And if you knew about this and still sucked vs terran thors with ur mutas - well then it aint zerg who is broken...

CrudeClown

Germany8 Posts

August 21 2010 08:00 GMT

#42

On August 21 2010 07:22 TheYango wrote:

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Check has made use of spreading mutas for a long time now.

This thread seems kind of pointless. As Psy mentioned the original thread in his video. And it is already posted in this thread by someone else.

Just posting because of all this "I've known it for month, lubdidubdidoooo, and the pros did too!"

That check video is not using it. I just watched it. All he does is some muta micro.
But no spreading against thors at all.

Part two very beginning: Scared of ONE thor with having 12 mutas (at the terrans expansion).
Part two at about 3:40: Thor-Party.
Part two 5 minute mark: nothing new
Pat two at 7:40: yeah he spreads. But not in the way which was brought to our attention byfreezeframe

All those people who "have known since beta": good for you! But a lot of people havent, and NONE of the us or european pros have utilized this method yet.
So its great people are making BIG posts about it.
Unlike you did.

"...was mentioned in many threads already..."

Still, seems like a lot of people didnt know it.
Its a big help, might as well make a big post out of it.

Which freezeframe did. Thank you for that (from a P player, in case anyone wants to knwo

Radio.active

United States121 Posts

August 21 2010 08:02 GMT

#43

great, now we have to nerf mutas... way to go man

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in all seriousness, this could potentially bring new zerg players into the scene considering there is so few of them

3nickma

Denmark1510 Posts

August 21 2010 08:11 GMT

#44

Personally I did NOT know about this trick until this thread! Saw there was a Z v Thor topic in the Strategy section, but thought it was just another cry imba thread…

The wording of the Magic Box made me immediately interested in this thread as I recalled something similar in the BW section. Though it might not be fully original or the first it sparked my interest. That's what it's all about.

Can't wait to get back to my PC so I can see this video and hopefully replicate it in my own games

pechkin

158 Posts

August 21 2010 08:36 GMT

#45

terrans fast learned to upgrade armor, so its not so easy

Ouga

Finland645 Posts

August 21 2010 08:41 GMT

#46

On August 21 2010 11:08 BadBinky wrote:
"Will change metagame"

Nah. Any sane person would spread their mutas when they are forced to attack thors. Do you think top players stacked their mutas against thors and then went out calling imba?

I don't think most decent players had knowledge about this, because there's not been clear understanding of thor's aoe range. I mean even while spreaded they still seem quite ...stacked. But since aoe is small enough, it doesn't matter. I never thought this spread was enough to keep safe from thor aoe, so I've pretty much totally skipped making mutas in zvt for months. So yes, this may affect mutas becoming more used in ~high diamond even. The very top pros probably knew about this tho, so this may not make Idra or Dimaga more succesful.

Psiclone

United States23 Posts

August 21 2010 08:49 GMT

#47

Don't see how this will change the imbalance much since marines are great mineral dump units to take down mutas. Terran will just mix a few more in there.

Subversion

South Africa3627 Posts

August 21 2010 09:00 GMT

#48

shame, poor OP got no credit

still nice to bring this up again, many people have forgotten about it or didnt play the beta

ALPINA

3791 Posts

August 21 2010 09:04 GMT

#49

The problem in ZvT now is that if you want to win vs. mech terran you pretty much need to go mutas. If you look most best zerg players just go muta/sling/bling.

Bosu

United States3247 Posts

August 21 2010 09:04 GMT

#50

On August 21 2010 17:49 Psiclone wrote:
Don't see how this will change the imbalance much since marines are great mineral dump units to take down mutas. Terran will just mix a few more in there.

Forcing terran to think, micro, and mix in more units they would rather not are all things that could help a lot.

Arbalest

Canada25 Posts

August 21 2010 14:48 GMT

#51

On August 21 2010 17:49 Psiclone wrote:
Don't see how this will change the imbalance much since marines are great mineral dump units to take down mutas. Terran will just mix a few more in there.

If you are going against Terran Mech why would they have more than one barracks? And even if they invest in marines then banelings can come into play and now the matchup is much more dynamic.

Baarn

United States2702 Posts

August 21 2010 16:51 GMT

#52

This supposed new technique! Rofl. Go Idra!

BlindPhaydo

United States33 Posts

August 21 2010 16:52 GMT

#53

On August 21 2010 16:44 FarbrorAbavna wrote:

He's not using spread out mutas at all like the op is showing. Check is just taking his big group of mutas and dividing it into three smaller groups. They also stack up as they go in for the attack on the thor/s hence it is nothing at all like OP is showing(where only one muta is taking dmg from one thor). Was a great replay though.

On topic: this is great and will be really helpful. Did not know that the natural dispersing of mutas could make such a difference. ty!

True, Check was using a totally different method in which he engages in a clump then manually spreads the mutas apart to minimize splash. I wonder if he finds this method superior to the one mentioned in the OP because his mutas can focus a target and engage right away without having to fly over the enemy units first, and he can avoid a lot of the splash, though certainly not all of it. The method of the OP requires much less micro, however, so I personally plan to start using it.

Thanks OP!

village_idiot

2436 Posts

August 21 2010 16:54 GMT

#54

Idra just showed how mutas counter thors

Qzy

Denmark1121 Posts

August 21 2010 16:54 GMT

#55

Idra just did this in ESL. 3rd game today;).