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) I'd say it's a bit early. There aren't enough notable protosses overall, and not enough very good ones. Zerg and especially Terran have multiple superstars, whereas Protoss have only a couple. Even if a Protoss wins the GSL now, that won't change. Oz is very promising, a breath of fresh air for toss.Is it time for a Happy Zelot? - Page 9
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figq
12519 Posts
) I'd say it's a bit early. There aren't enough notable protosses overall, and not enough very good ones. Zerg and especially Terran have multiple superstars, whereas Protoss have only a couple. Even if a Protoss wins the GSL now, that won't change. Oz is very promising, a breath of fresh air for toss. | ||
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TBone-
United States2309 Posts
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Nightshake
France412 Posts
On November 10 2011 01:11 IdrA wrote: time for a bunch of goddam pussies who were angry they werent getting complete freewins anymore to pull their heads out of their asses. Completely agree. | ||
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HuHEN
United Kingdom514 Posts
On November 10 2011 02:37 Assaulter wrote: this is all happening before patch 1.4.2 hit in Korea. this is why blizzard needs to leave the game ALONE. for a longer time. and dont go nerfing/buffing stuff so often. players need time to fix shit themselves. if they cant do it, then it might be imbalanced and needs a patch. NOT when platinum protosses cry on forums that terran is OP I agree somewhat, the metagame normally does sort this stuff out. Nevertheless some people are of course going to whine because, tbh, terran was clearly OP, sometimes its hard to ignore that when it is so clear for so long. I also think that this surge of protoss success may well not be sustained for too long, what is happening now is other races dont yet know how to deal with the new stuff toss is throwing at them, when they do, the balance will normalize. The thing is "normalized" balance has always favoured terran since the game came out, Terran has never really had a slump and when the other races were supposedly doing really well, terran could still compete, so what im getting at is, I honestly belive terran is the strongest race, regardless of metagame. When there is a genuine imbalance (which has yet to be shown conclusively) then actual changes to the game are of course necessary, you cant just leave everything up to metagame. | ||
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
On November 10 2011 02:46 Brotocol wrote: And this, combined with the posts from Idra and Jinro in this thread, is why Protoss is in its current state. Blizzard seems to be taking feedback from pros who are looking out for themselves, rather than truly wanting the game to become all that it can be. Just because Flux Vanes was conveniently removed right after CatZ told David Kim it was too strong doesn't mean they listen to the pros... >_> On a serious note, it's been a problem with Blizz in recent years. A lot of the time they seem to forsake their original plans due to criticism from the community, which is unfortunate since most gaming communities have no damn idea what they want. | ||
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SC2ShoWTimE
Germany722 Posts
On November 10 2011 02:39 HowardRoark wrote: I certainly hope this is just a fluke, more Protoss winning means more Protoss games in televised matches, and Protoss is an esport killer for us spectators. PvX are dreadful MU's, and I just can't stand watching the ball either winning nor losing. bullshit. it´s an esport killer to see one race dominating all the time and another one just doing terrible. | ||
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QTIP.
United States2113 Posts
On November 10 2011 02:34 Otolia wrote: Drones aren't one the same level as EMP. EMP is a flawless ability without drawback because you trade energy for energy or shield. That's free damage. Drones are workers. Making them prevents you from building troops. It's a severe drawback. Jesus christ homie, it's a fucking joke. | ||
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RinconH
United States512 Posts
On November 10 2011 01:11 IdrA wrote: time for a bunch of goddam pussies who were angry they werent getting complete freewins anymore to pull their heads out of their asses. LMAO from the king of zerg whine and refusal to do anything but corrupter/roach/hydra | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
On November 10 2011 01:11 IdrA wrote: time for a bunch of goddam pussies who were angry they werent getting complete freewins anymore to pull their heads out of their asses. And the "Most times that a single post was quoted in a thread" award is all yours. Looking for a pro Protoss to weigh in here, already saw Jinro's +1 On November 10 2011 01:24 Brotocol wrote: That's how Scandinavians pronounce it, and technically, it's incorrect. Zealot = "zellit" Proof? On November 10 2011 01:47 jamesr12 wrote: I love how idra clearly still spends tons of time on TL as he ends up first page on this thread, but rarely posts these days and probably hasn't said anything intelligent in his last 100 posts. The pros have access to a hidden sub-forum. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
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-y0shi-
Germany994 Posts
Oz won his first game because his opponent didnt fly his orbital for like 5 minutes and his second game because he took his 3rd at 7 minute and his opponent didnt do anything about it. Do I need to say anything about the july games? etc etc. Yes Im happy but why does anyone think that everything will now change because some protoss won some pretty easy games? | ||
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Deimos0
Poland277 Posts
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AirbladeOrange
United States2571 Posts
I think Protoss players are still innovating and have a little way to go. If there is much innovation and still no progress then there might be a problem. But for now I think the racial balance is pretty decent for such a complex game that is tough to balance. | ||
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awesomoecalypse
United States2235 Posts
On November 10 2011 02:41 Sphen5117 wrote: This. Stalkers have some SHITTY dps. Not only that, but it scales terribly. Their strength is the blink, and anti-air capabilities. But they still are suuuuuper cost inefficient when compared to marines or even roaches. Its true that on a one by one basis Stalker dps is crappy for cost and scales badly. But this ignores that Stalkers are a fairly high range unit, which combined with their high mobility/blink means that there will typically be a lot of them able to focus fire on the same target. When combined with CB giving Protoss a way to get ahead on upgrades consistently, and there are several Stalker upgrade timings in all matchups that are quite deadly. On balance, the "Stalker upgrades suck!" thing is wildly overstated. No, they aren't as amazing as stimmed marines, who might have less range than Stalkers but who take up so little space that they can all pack into a tight little ball. But compared to, say, Roaches, its actually pretty comparable--Roaches benefit more from upgrades, but even with speed on creep it is typically much harder for as many of them to focus fire a single target compared to Stalkers. | ||
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Brotocol
243 Posts
On November 10 2011 02:52 Cyber_Cheese wrote: And the "Most times that a single post was quoted in a thread" award is all yours. Looking for a pro Protoss to weigh in here, already saw Jinro's +1 Proof? http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=zealot&submit=Submit | ||
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CaptainCrush
United States785 Posts
On November 10 2011 01:11 IdrA wrote: time for a bunch of goddam pussies who were angry they werent getting complete freewins anymore to pull their heads out of their asses. Can't stand the guy but he has a great point here.... Now that toss has finally figured out how to do a little aggression combined with the new patch the free wins are going to stream in once more. | ||
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CCitrus
Canada164 Posts
On November 10 2011 01:11 IdrA wrote: time for a bunch of goddam pussies who were angry they werent getting complete freewins anymore to pull their heads out of their asses. Best part of this thread. I think that this dark period of losses has resulted in two serious protoss gains. One, this patch. Two, more importantly, the evolution of protoss strategy by forced innovation. | ||
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Nothingtosay
United States875 Posts
On November 10 2011 02:53 PrinceXizor wrote: Protoss in sc2 as a whole tends to spend waaaay to much time abusing any new strategy that gets them wins instead of working on developing a standard play and improving their strategies, it causes them to go in cycles where they are winning alot or losing alot depending on if their new FOTM strategy is new or been figured out. So let me see this, half the community says Protoss needs to innovate! Half says Protoss innovations are garbage they need to innovate better! I guess you could say this true about PvZ to some extent but inreality its more like protoss players are trying everything under the sun versus zerg and something new comes and starts fighting off the zerg virus until zerg evovles into a new strain. PvT isn't gimmicky at all protoss just doesn't do as well. Everyone remembers that before november during GSL Open 1 and 2 that protoss was doing just as badly as it is now right? | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On November 10 2011 02:55 awesomoecalypse wrote: Its true that on a one by one basis Stalker dps is crappy for cost and scales badly. But this ignores that Stalkers are a fairly high range unit, which combined with their high mobility/blink means that there will typically be a lot of them able to focus fire on the same target. When combined with CB giving Protoss a way to get ahead on upgrades consistently, and there are several Stalker upgrade timings in all matchups that are quite deadly. On balance, the "Stalker upgrades suck!" thing is wildly overstated. No, they aren't as amazing as stimmed marines, who might have less range than Stalkers but who take up so little space that they can all pack into a tight little ball. But compared to, say, Roaches, its actually pretty comparable--Roaches benefit more from upgrades, but even with speed on creep it is typically much harder for as many of them to focus fire a single target compared to Stalkers. You're listing all the other positives of Stalkers. None of them are DPS. The DPS of Stalkers is shit -> if Dimaga did complain about it, that's some BS. If Dimaga had complained about any of these, then yeah. Sure. But allegedly he didn't. | ||
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Resilient
United Kingdom1431 Posts
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