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Pyo
United States738 Posts
On June 18 2011 05:51 omgCRAZY wrote: Let's all have a fun clean game.  (OH GAWD DON'T KILL ME!)Well at the player list: 1. aprudds 2. Treadmill 3. omgCRAZY 4. gtrsrs 5. Lord Vatti 6. Alderan 7. CjrNinja 8. supersoft 9. Pyo 10. Xedat 11. Drazerk 12. freeloader625 One of us doesn't belong... | ||
GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
Day 1! ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/OJ9ra.jpg) Its the year 2016. Most of humanity has been overtaken by the zombie horde, and only a few redoubts of civilization remain, most of humanity is making an effort to survive and preserve life, while a few humans have turned to the worship of the undead and wish nothing more than to "bless" all of humanity with the "mercy" of death, so that they may be reborn again as undead. One of the scant redoubts of civilization that still stands is the town/fortress of Liquidia. GMarshal glanced up at the imposing stone walls of the fortress, as he walked slowly towards the townhouse. It was dark already and the atmosphere was distinctly creepy, but it was safe inside the walls of the fortress. Safe from the undead, at least, though GMarshal. He was troubled, his chief advisor Mataza wanted to meet with him. Something about urgent information, that couldn't be divulged. GMarshal pondered what this information could be as he stumbled over something. Getting up with a scowl GMarshal glanced at the object, and his eyes immediately shot wide open in panic . It was the dead body of Mataza, his blood lay pooled around him. GMarshal started up looking around wildly, terror painted in his face, when a single crossbow bolt thudded into his chest. He fell back, blood spurting out of the wound. The man with the crossbow approached him, a knife glinting in his hand. "Sorry sir" chaoser the man with the crossbow whispered, "but its time for you to be granted the blessing of undeath". GMarshal just grinned, as he pulled a gun out of his coat pocket and fired. Chaoser fell back his head blown clean off. By the time the rest of the town arrived GMarshal had bled out. The signs were clear however, the town knew what needed to be done. It was the only way to weed out the cultists in their midst. GMarshal the Town Leader and Vigilante is dead Mataza the Survivor is dead chaoser the head cultist is dead You have 48 hours to vote for who to lynch! At the end of this time the person with the most votes will be lynched! (Picture courtesy of Mataza) | ||
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Treadmill
Canada2833 Posts
I think we can safely ignore the possibility of the set-up being the roleblocker, 2 goons, 9 townies, because that would be stupid. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On June 18 2011 06:13 Treadmill wrote: Well, I'm gonna start by tossing out something that should be fairly obvious. If we have a DT, they should claim as soon as they hit a red. With only 3 mafia members, getting rid of a single one would be fantastic, and drop their KP right away. Obviously they shouldn't claim if they only hit a townie (though they maybe should claim to stop a mislynch? No so sure about this). I think we can safely ignore the possibility of the set-up being the roleblocker, 2 goons, 9 townies, because that would be stupid. disagree at all points since we potentially have a roleblocker (who i might accidentally call a "hooker" as habit from epicmafia, just a heads up), the mafia doesn't actually need to kill a power role to nullify it. they can hook it all game and go after other townies since a confirmed DT that can't provide reports is worse than the possibility that there's a DT out there somewhere. a DT should only *definitely* claim if he's got a guilty when there are TWO mafia left. there are no millers in any set-up so his reports will be 100% accurate, and narrowing us down to 1 mafia from 2 (especially if that means a 50% chance at hitting a roleblocker if there is one) is better than sacrificing his power to get a single goon. IMO. also i don't think it's safe to ignore any set-ups as possibilities. while it would certainly make for a less "fun" game, there's strategic merit in every set-up including the almost all-'nilla set-up. just "assuming" we have blue roles would benefit the mafia, as we may wait for a medic save or detective report that never comes  for reference on this page, these are the possible set-ups: 1 Mafia Role Blocker, 2 Mafia Goons, 7 Town, 1 Medic, 1 Detective 1 Mafia Role Blocker, 2 Mafia Goons, 9 Town 3 Mafia Goons, 1 Medic, 8 Town. 3 Mafia Goons, 1 Detective, 8 Town. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
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omgCRAZY
Canada551 Posts
I also agree that the DT should not out himself right away unless the benefits are game changing. Does anyone know if the DT checks the role blocker will it return goon or roleblocker for him. If it returns roleblocker I would not mind the DT outing at that point since we will know 100% that we have 1 medic and 1 DT and the medic can keep the DT safe. | ||
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Treadmill
Canada2833 Posts
I missed that the mafia KP was fixed, that does changes the math a little. I still think the DT should claim once he hits a single red (if we have one, which isn't guaranteed). Otherwise we run the risk of him seeing a red and then getting killed. The DT is almost certainly not going to give us more than 1 mafia this game anyways (he'll either get killed or RB'd, yes) so I don't see why it matters if he gives us the second or third one. Also finding our first mafia as early as possible will really help to lead us to the others. | ||
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Treadmill
Canada2833 Posts
On June 18 2011 06:38 omgCRAZY wrote: We should get everyone talking as soon as possible and get some discussion going so we can weed out the lurkers and get a good lynch for day 1. I also agree that the DT should not out himself right away unless the benefits are game changing. Does anyone know if the DT checks the role blocker will it return goon or roleblocker for him. If it returns roleblocker I would not mind the DT outing at that point since we will know 100% that we have 1 medic and 1 DT and the medic can keep the DT safe. From the OP it seems he only returns alignment, not role. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On June 18 2011 06:41 Treadmill wrote: I was ignoring that possibility more because of the strangeness of a role-blocker with no roles to block. I suppose that GM could just be screwing with us though. oh herp. you're right i didn't even consider that. yes it does make it seem less likely on the other hand the mafia won't know the set-up either. with the 2 goons and 1 hooker they could think that there are power roles so it's a mindfuck to them too. i guess it matters less to them since they want all of us dead regardless if we bleed blue or green but yeah anyways we should keep the set-up possibilities fresh every couple of pages and update it or eliminate possibilities after every kill. also it should go without saying but if we have one, the medic should never claim unless he is going to be lynched or unless one of his confirmed saves is going to be lynched. he doesn't have to lay low (see GGQ's post at the end of mafia XL about how a blue should play) because he doesn't WANT to look like a medic, but he shouldn't broadcast his role unless it the town is lynching his clear. maybe the medic can claim in a LYLO situation but i'm hesitant to say the medic SHOULD claim in LYLO because the mafia will likely claim medic as well. play it by ear | ||
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Pyo
United States738 Posts
On June 18 2011 06:41 Treadmill wrote: I was ignoring that possibility more because of the strangeness of a role-blocker with no roles to block. I suppose that GM could just be screwing with us though. It's not that strange... as explained earlier in this thread, that set up exists so that mafia don't automatically know the set up if they have a roleblocker. Any play that involves early blue claims (or relies on blues at all, really) is generally a bad way to go. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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aprudds
Canada144 Posts
On June 18 2011 06:54 gtrsrs wrote: oh herp. you're right i didn't even consider that. yes it does make it seem less likely on the other hand the mafia won't know the set-up either. with the 2 goons and 1 hooker they could think that there are power roles so it's a mindfuck to them too. i guess it matters less to them since they want all of us dead regardless if we bleed blue or green but yeah anyways we should keep the set-up possibilities fresh every couple of pages and update it or eliminate possibilities after every kill. also it should go without saying but if we have one, the medic should never claim unless he is going to be lynched or unless one of his confirmed saves is going to be lynched. he doesn't have to lay low (see GGQ's post at the end of mafia XL about how a blue should play) because he doesn't WANT to look like a medic, but he shouldn't broadcast his role unless it the town is lynching his clear. maybe the medic can claim in a LYLO situation but i'm hesitant to say the medic SHOULD claim in LYLO because the mafia will likely claim medic as well. play it by ear This actually makes it town favored in some circumstances after night one, because town could have more access to info then mafia. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On June 18 2011 07:41 Drazerk wrote: We should find out if there is roll blocker asap that's a great idea Drazerk and i approve 100% now, how do you propose we go about finding out if there is a roleblocker? | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On June 18 2011 07:57 gtrsrs wrote: that's a great idea Drazerk and i approve 100% now, how do you propose we go about finding out if there is a roleblocker? And on that note... Will we be told if we are role blocked regardless of if we are green? | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
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aprudds
Canada144 Posts
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Treadmill
Canada2833 Posts
Another note - figuring out the set-up does give us something to talk about but its not terribly important in the long run, lets not fixate on something that doesn't really matter. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
but since we don't know whether there is a medic, it would be bad if we lose our only blue in exchange to one mafia. | ||
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