EPTOn June 18 2011 08:13 aprudds wrote:
You do realize scum can claim role block right?
You do realize scum can claim role block right?
And I am a idiot haha
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
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Treadmill
Canada2833 Posts
On June 18 2011 08:16 supersoft wrote: Dt sees the color of the checked player. and I think DT should never roleclaim asap. it's much better to give some hints by "analyzing" players if he found someone. when he got two mafia, I agree he should probably roleclaim. but since we don't know whether there is a medic, it would be bad if we lose our only blue in exchange to one mafia. It wouldn't be bad at all. DT is good because they let us know where the mafia is. If they aren't doing that then they are useless. We don't score points at the end for how many blues are alive or something. DT claiming as soon as they hit red helps us by a. giving us a verified lynch (either the person accused or the person who claimed DT must be mafia with no miller/framer/whatever) and killing 1/3 of the mafia b. preventing a possible mislynch (any lynch based on posting is less accurate then one based on DT check) c. it also gives us information to find the other mafia members from the vote list, posting, etc. | ||
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CjrNinja
Australia223 Posts
Determining what setup we have will only help mafia fish for blue roles. if there are any, then mafia will act accordinly. What if there are no rockblockers? And mafia claims roleblock? Then we're completely n the wrong mindset. Town shouldn't be relying on any blue roles to win the game for them. We know that there are three mafia, our goal is to identity them, not whether or not there are blue roles in play. Blues should be acting indepentently. So no, do not roleclaim please. Someone explain how knowing tthe setup helps town? Cause it seems to me like it doesn't. Sorry about the bad formatting, my phone sucks. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On June 18 2011 08:31 Treadmill wrote: It wouldn't be bad at all. DT is good because they let us know where the mafia is. If they aren't doing that then they are useless. We don't score points at the end for how many blues are alive or something. DT claiming as soon as they hit red helps us by a. giving us a verified lynch (either the person accused or the person who claimed DT must be mafia with no miller/framer/whatever) and killing 1/3 of the mafia b. preventing a possible mislynch (any lynch based on posting is less accurate then one based on DT check) c. it also gives us information to find the other mafia members from the vote list, posting, etc. it doesn't work like that scum can just as easily say "i'm the detective, i have a guilty on gtrsrs" and who am i to say they're lying? likewise if the real detective comes forward and says "i'm the detective i have a guilty on gtrsrs" then i can easily step up and say "no I'M the real detective i have a guilty on treadmill!". with no mafia dead and a potential roleblocker alive, the DT is fucking himself by outting. you need to do it strategically also we can't simply go on whether or not someone claims roleblocked because as someone said, mafia can claim roleblocked. a roleblocker doesn't have to block either, so he might not block and we go "oh hey no roleblocker we must be in set-up XXX" when they're just pulling our legs. basically we need to do this via scumhunting until certain conditions are met, and only THEN should people start claiming | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On June 18 2011 08:39 CjrNinja wrote: How is this discussion pro town in any way? Determining what setup we have will only help mafia fish for blue roles. if there are any, then mafia will act accordinly. What if there are no rockblockers? And mafia claims roleblock? Then we're completely n the wrong mindset. Town shouldn't be relying on any blue roles to win the game for them. We know that there are three mafia, our goal is to identity them, not whether or not there are blue roles in play. Blues should be acting indepentently. So no, do not roleclaim please. Someone explain how knowing tthe setup helps town? Cause it seems to me like it doesn't. Sorry about the bad formatting, my phone sucks. Working out the Game type helps blues but not the town while reds already have a 50/50 guess on the type and if they work out there is for example a medic in play they know the game type and can use it against us. | ||
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CjrNinja
Australia223 Posts
On June 18 2011 08:43 Drazerk wrote: Working out the Game type helps blues but not the town while reds already have a 50/50 guess on the type and if they work out there is for example a medic in play they know the game type and can use it against us. Blues also have a 50/50 chance of guessing the setup too. All this discussion will serve is helping scum go bluehunting. And don't forget that scum can very easily lie and claim blue anyway. | ||
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aprudds
Canada144 Posts
On June 18 2011 08:43 Drazerk wrote: Working out the Game type helps blues but not the town while reds already have a 50/50 guess on the type and if they work out there is for example a medic in play they know the game type and can use it against us. Blue's have a 50/50 guess as well on the game type. I really don't see what your getting at. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On June 18 2011 08:48 CjrNinja wrote: Blues also have a 50/50 chance of guessing the setup too. All this discussion will serve is helping scum go bluehunting. And don't forget that scum can very easily lie and claim blue anyway. No one should be claiming blue for a long time but I agree in that we should stop this discussion and get onto analysing people | ||
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aprudds
Canada144 Posts
Working out the Game type helps blues but not the town while reds already have a 50/50 guess on the type and if they work out there is for example a medic in play they know the game type and can use it against us. Alright since you asked for it I'll start with you. Let's break this post down shall we? Statement 1: Finding this information helps blues. Statement 2: Finding this information does not help town. Statement 3: Red's have a 50/50 guess on the game. Wow seriously man, step it up. Think things through. You should be able to see the conclusions people can come to when they look at these statements and connect the dots. Especially when they combine it with this. but I agree in that we should stop this discussion and get onto analysing people | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On June 18 2011 09:01 aprudds wrote: Alright since you asked for it I'll start with you. Let's break this post down shall we? Statement 1: Finding this information helps blues. Statement 2: Finding this information does not help town. Statement 3: Red's have a 50/50 guess on the game. Wow seriously man, step it up. Think things through. You should be able to see the conclusions people can come to when they look at these statements and connect the dots. Especially when they combine it with this. Can I pull a Freeloader here and Chalk it up to being a idiot / Inexperienced?  and statement two was more the fact of it may not help towns initially but helps Detectives be a bit more open without claiming knowing they have a medic as back up ( depending on set up ofc ) helping town later in the game. | ||
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aprudds
Canada144 Posts
On June 18 2011 09:28 Drazerk wrote: Can I pull a Freeloader here and Chalk it up to being a idiot / Inexperienced? and statement two was more the fact of it may not help towns initially but helps Detectives be a bit more open without claiming knowing they have a medic as back up ( depending on set up ofc ) helping town later in the game. Notice how I didn't accuse you? Play smarter. Think about what you want to say. Don't be a kurumi and barf out your random thoughts onto the page and hope it makes sense. | ||
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freeloader625
United States180 Posts
On June 18 2011 09:31 aprudds wrote: Notice how I didn't accuse you? Play smarter. Think about what you want to say. Don't be a kurumi and barf out your random thoughts onto the page and hope it makes sense. Oh damn son he just called you a, "kurumi."  On June 18 2011 09:28 Drazerk wrote: Can I pull a Freeloader here and Chalk it up to being a idiot / Inexperienced? Wait, oh you didn't just go there!  | ||
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aprudds
Canada144 Posts
On June 18 2011 10:05 freeloader625 wrote: Oh damn son he just called you a, "kurumi." Wait, oh you didn't just go there! Hey Freeloader you intend of contributing this round instead of making random comments all game long? | ||
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freeloader625
United States180 Posts
On June 18 2011 10:16 aprudds wrote: Hey Freeloader you intend of contributing this round instead of making random comments all game long? You sound angry. Was it because you failed to lynch me last game? :D Seriously though, I'll contribute more this game. Pinky swear! | ||
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aprudds
Canada144 Posts
On June 18 2011 10:35 freeloader625 wrote: You sound angry. Was it because you failed to lynch me last game? :D Seriously though, I'll contribute more this game. Pinky swear! No anger here  | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
don't back down bro i'm gonna go ahead and piggyback off that freeloader you got your free pass last game you freeloader. you know well enough by now that posts like this \/ On June 18 2011 10:35 freeloader625 wrote: You sound angry. Was it because you failed to lynch me last game? :D Seriously though, I'll contribute more this game. Pinky swear! accomplish nothing. so instead of posting this, why don't you make an analysis or contribute in some way | ||
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aprudds
Canada144 Posts
On June 18 2011 11:48 gtrsrs wrote: aprudds is out for blood don't back down bro i'm gonna go ahead and piggyback off that freeloader you got your free pass last game you freeloader. you know well enough by now that posts like this \/ accomplish nothing. so instead of posting this, why don't you make an analysis or contribute in some way That's not fair gtr. What exactly is there analyze exactly? What has this contributed? Take some initiative as well and listen to your own advice. Unless your scum, then you can go burn and die. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On June 18 2011 11:48 gtrsrs wrote: don't back down bro we have to start by applying pressure to someone minus whale be freeloader since we gave him a freebie last game | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
5. Lord Vatti 6. Alderan 10. Xedat Hopefully they stop by soon as non of them has had any activity since the game began. | ||
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omgCRAZY
Canada551 Posts
On June 18 2011 14:24 Drazerk wrote: Since we have nothing to really go on I am going to try and get the ball rolling as we still have not heard anything from the following players - 5. Lord Vatti 6. Alderan 10. Xedat Hopefully they stop by soon as non of them has had any activity since the game began. I predict 3 mafia modkills. | ||
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