Mafia is an educated guessing game of epic proportions. The objective of the game is to lynch or kill all mafia members before they outnumber the rest of the town. It's much like a game of poker because mafia members are also part of the town during the day and may manipulate the vote to their liking. If the mafia at any time outnumber or equal the townspeople, they win. The town's goal is to lynch all the members of the mafia.
The game is typically very active, so the thread will get big quickly. However, it is essential to read the thread to play the game. If you do not have the time or patience to read the whole thread, do not play. I will not compensate for ignorance.
Rules:
Cheating: Cheating includes (but is not limited to): 1. Posting after death. You may have one polite goodbye post, but it may not contain any potentially game-changing information. 2. Ruining the game by doing something like hand out your mafia's member list to the town. 3. Logging on to someone else's account to get their role or looking over someone's shoulder to get their role. 4. Comparing role PM times to determine roles. 5. Posting screenshots of your inbox. 6. Posting any PM you receive from a host. 7. Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip. 8. Signing up more than once using smurf accounts. 9. Betting items outside of the game in exchange for in-game benefits. 10. Sharing accounts with other players. Only you may post on your account. Cheating is not tolerated here. The punishment will be severe.
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Voting rules:
1. Voting is done In this thread. Please keep votes there, and only vote there. Do not PM me your vote. 2. Please vote in the following format: ##Vote Qatol. Votes not done in the correct fashion will not be counted. I will update vote counts whenever I get the chance. 3. No conditional voting. 4. You may vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game. 5. In the event of a tie the person with the most votes first wins (or loses). 6. Voting is mandatory. You may NOT abstain.
Signups:
This game is open to new players only. New is defined as having played in fewer than TWO different mafia games. Signups will remain open until all 12 spots have been filled.
Game-specific rules:
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If you have not read all the rules, go back and do so. I will not compensate for ignorance! + Show Spoiler +
The setup is a modified version of F11; one of the following four setups is to be randomly chosen and used:
Set Up: 1 Mafia Role Blocker, 2 Mafia Goons, 7 Town, 1 Medic, 1 Detective 1 Mafia Role Blocker, 2 Mafia Goons, 9 Town 3 Mafia Goons, 1 Medic, 8 Town. 3 Mafia Goons, 1 Detective, 8 Town.
You will not know which setup is chosen.
Roles:
Townie You are just a normal player with no night actions. All you can do is vote during the day. But the town needs you to win so be active!
Detective You can make night investigations. Once per night you may ask for the alignment of any player. Alignments are either Town or Mafia. You are always sane. Alignment checks come back with the next day post.
Medic You have the power to save lives. Once per night you can watch a player. If your target is attacked, you will block one hit aimed at them. If you make a successful save, both you and your target will be notified of the save. You cannot save yourself.
Mafia Goon Your goal is to eliminate everyone else in the town. Your ability, as a group, is killing off whomever you decide on at night and knowing the role of each other player in your mafia. You may kill your own members. Mafia killing power is always 1 until there are no mafia remaining.
Roleblocker You are a mafia member who has the ability to prevent a player from performing a night action. Once per night, you may roleblock a player, and your target will be unable to perform night actions for that night. Your target will be informed that they have been roleblocked (even if they didn't have a night action). You do not have to use your action every night.
This game is open to new players only. New is defined as having played in fewer than TWO different mafia games. Signups will remain open until all 12 spots have been filled.
Sorry man, if I the game isn't full by say next saturday I'll probably open it to everyone, but IIRC you've played in both SNMMII and in another game, so you are ineligible...
On June 13 2011 04:00 GMarshal wrote: Set Up: 1 Mafia Role Blocker, 2 Mafia Goons, 7 Town, 1 Medic, 1 Detective 1 Mafia Role Blocker, 2 Mafia Goons, 9 Town 3 Mafia Goons, 1 Medic, 8 Town. 3 Mafia Goons, 1 Detective, 8 Town.
You will not know which setup is chosen.
What's the point of a role blocker if they have no roles to block?
This way Mafia wont know the exact setup. It also make roleblocking strategic in the sense that who ever you roleblock, they will be notified, so then town knows that they have both a cop and medic, or nothing. this was the set up in SNMMII
On a side note, If you have never played a Mafia game, this is a good one to start! come on, you know you want to.
On June 13 2011 04:00 GMarshal wrote: Set Up: 1 Mafia Role Blocker, 2 Mafia Goons, 7 Town, 1 Medic, 1 Detective 1 Mafia Role Blocker, 2 Mafia Goons, 9 Town 3 Mafia Goons, 1 Medic, 8 Town. 3 Mafia Goons, 1 Detective, 8 Town.
You will not know which setup is chosen.
What's the point of a role blocker if they have no roles to block?
This way Mafia wont know the exact setup. It also make roleblocking strategic in the sense that who ever you roleblock, they will be notified, so then town knows that they have both a cop and medic, or nothing. this was the set up in SNMMII
On a side note, If you have never played a Mafia game, this is a good one to start! come on, you know you want to.
Ok, thanks. I'm backup in XLII atm, I think I'll try a Mini Mafia when that game is finished.
I'll coach too, if you'll let me. You should have one for experienced players like last time periodically, it's fun to play in a more simplified environment, and it's a good way to improve.
On June 16 2011 08:05 Varpulis wrote: I'll coach too, if you'll let me. You should have one for experienced players like last time periodically, it's fun to play in a more simplified environment, and it's a good way to improve.
Good luck to those playing.
Alright, with that I'm all full on coaches. ^_^
And the next SNMM will be open to everyone I think. I'll probably be alternating between the newbie exclusive and open or something like that.
Plus if this isn't full or close to full by friday, I'll just open it to the public.
Bummed XL died before I could get back into it after some irl issues, but the first few days were fun. Really excited for a smaller, more intimate game.
I'm gonna tentatively sign back up for this one before it fills up, got permission from bumatlarge to participate in both his and this game (assuming that it's cool with you GM).
I played half of TL mafia XXXIX and I played mafia XL, does that make me ineligible? If not I would like to play. I hope no one gets modkilled this time -.-
On June 16 2011 18:20 Xedat wrote: I played half of TL mafia XXXIX and I played mafia XL, does that make me ineligible? If not I would like to play. I hope no one gets modkilled this time -.-
You subbed into XXXIX? I guess that dosn't count as a full game then...
GMarshal will announce when signups are full and will then get to work on distributing roles. He will send you a PM with your role, and once everyone has theirs, will put up an official day post, signaling that the game has begun. Nobody will have received their role yet, so you don't need to worry.
Heh, I think we'll be able to live with one after what happened last game... barring irl issues that may crop up, I doubt there'll be anything to worry about, as we were all active in XL :D
It does look like its full, but I'd gladly be a sub. I think this game would be much better learning for me than the 40man game. Much more intimate and less modkills inc?!
Omg I'm so excited for this. I read all the rules twice and just want to ask to anyone willing to answer (before the game starts) since these were not answered in the thread rules:
1) Since PMs are not allowed, how would mafia communicate with each other? 2) Once someone dies whether it be by votes or mafia hit, will their roles be revealed?
Thanks and GL everyone! (I've only played SC2 Mafia before and got hooked)
Naaa, just kidding, please don't try to lynch me ;-)
On June 17 2011 05:48 Xedat wrote: Omg I'm so excited for this. I read all the rules twice and just want to ask to anyone willing to answer (before the game starts) since these were not answered in the thread rules:
1) Since PMs are not allowed, how would mafia communicate with each other? 2) Once someone dies whether it be by votes or mafia hit, will their roles be revealed?
Thanks and GL everyone! (I've only played SC2 Mafia before and got hooked)
Naaa, just kidding, please don't try to lynch me ;-)
On June 17 2011 05:48 Xedat wrote: Omg I'm so excited for this. I read all the rules twice and just want to ask to anyone willing to answer (before the game starts) since these were not answered in the thread rules:
1) Since PMs are not allowed, how would mafia communicate with each other? 2) Once someone dies whether it be by votes or mafia hit, will their roles be revealed?
Thanks and GL everyone! (I've only played SC2 Mafia before and got hooked)
Naaa, just kidding, please don't try to lynch me ;-)
On June 17 2011 05:48 Xedat wrote: Omg I'm so excited for this. I read all the rules twice and just want to ask to anyone willing to answer (before the game starts) since these were not answered in the thread rules:
1) Since PMs are not allowed, how would mafia communicate with each other? 2) Once someone dies whether it be by votes or mafia hit, will their roles be revealed?
Thanks and GL everyone! (I've only played SC2 Mafia before and got hooked)
Naaa, just kidding, please don't try to lynch me ;-)
icwuth u did thar
Funny how it turned out that appruds was mafia after all.
On June 17 2011 05:48 Xedat wrote: Omg I'm so excited for this. I read all the rules twice and just want to ask to anyone willing to answer (before the game starts) since these were not answered in the thread rules:
1) Since PMs are not allowed, how would mafia communicate with each other? 2) Once someone dies whether it be by votes or mafia hit, will their roles be revealed?
Thanks and GL everyone! (I've only played SC2 Mafia before and got hooked)
Naaa, just kidding, please don't try to lynch me ;-)
Because it will be asked, even if your questions were tongue in cheek, I might as well answer them now 1.) Mafia are allowed to PM each other 2.) Yes, its open flip so roles are revealed on death
On June 17 2011 05:48 Xedat wrote: Omg I'm so excited for this. I read all the rules twice and just want to ask to anyone willing to answer (before the game starts) since these were not answered in the thread rules:
1) Since PMs are not allowed, how would mafia communicate with each other? 2) Once someone dies whether it be by votes or mafia hit, will their roles be revealed?
Thanks and GL everyone! (I've only played SC2 Mafia before and got hooked)
Naaa, just kidding, please don't try to lynch me ;-)
icwuth u did thar
Funny how it turned out that appruds was mafia after all.
For the record I believe 2 out of the first 5 posters that pointed it out or commented actually turned out to be mafia. apruds and lalfieeesomething :D
On June 17 2011 05:48 Xedat wrote: Omg I'm so excited for this. I read all the rules twice and just want to ask to anyone willing to answer (before the game starts) since these were not answered in the thread rules:
1) Since PMs are not allowed, how would mafia communicate with each other? 2) Once someone dies whether it be by votes or mafia hit, will their roles be revealed?
Thanks and GL everyone! (I've only played SC2 Mafia before and got hooked)
Naaa, just kidding, please don't try to lynch me ;-)
Hmm, a bit suspicious no? Right when the PM are getting sent out too. Scum slip?
On June 17 2011 05:48 Xedat wrote: Omg I'm so excited for this. I read all the rules twice and just want to ask to anyone willing to answer (before the game starts) since these were not answered in the thread rules:
1) Since PMs are not allowed, how would mafia communicate with each other? 2) Once someone dies whether it be by votes or mafia hit, will their roles be revealed?
Thanks and GL everyone! (I've only played SC2 Mafia before and got hooked)
Naaa, just kidding, please don't try to lynch me ;-)
Hmm, a bit suspicious no? Right when the PM are getting sent out too. Scum slip?
A bit of a bold accusation, I would say. However, I do have to agree, the first question does look a bit suspicious. After all, a townie would have *no* reason to ask such a question, as they can't PM anyway.
On June 17 2011 05:48 Xedat wrote: Omg I'm so excited for this. I read all the rules twice and just want to ask to anyone willing to answer (before the game starts) since these were not answered in the thread rules:
1) Since PMs are not allowed, how would mafia communicate with each other? 2) Once someone dies whether it be by votes or mafia hit, will their roles be revealed?
Thanks and GL everyone! (I've only played SC2 Mafia before and got hooked)
Naaa, just kidding, please don't try to lynch me ;-)
Hmm, a bit suspicious no? Right when the PM are getting sent out too. Scum slip?
A bit of a bold accusation, I would say. However, I do have to agree, the first question does look a bit suspicious. After all, a townie would have *no* reason to ask such a question, as they can't PM anyway.
Oh but a townie does have reasons to ask such a question.
Don't take my SC2 Mafia as lack of experience, I was able to deduce roles within the 50seconds given. :D
On June 17 2011 05:48 Xedat wrote: Omg I'm so excited for this. I read all the rules twice and just want to ask to anyone willing to answer (before the game starts) since these were not answered in the thread rules:
1) Since PMs are not allowed, how would mafia communicate with each other? 2) Once someone dies whether it be by votes or mafia hit, will their roles be revealed?
Thanks and GL everyone! (I've only played SC2 Mafia before and got hooked)
Naaa, just kidding, please don't try to lynch me ;-)
Hmm, a bit suspicious no? Right when the PM are getting sent out too. Scum slip?
A bit of a bold accusation, I would say. However, I do have to agree, the first question does look a bit suspicious. After all, a townie would have *no* reason to ask such a question, as they can't PM anyway.
Oh but a townie does have reasons to ask such a question.
Don't take my SC2 Mafia as lack of experience, I was able to deduce roles within the 50seconds given. :D
What reason does a townie have to ask such a question?
One serious question, can I send players pms after I died asking them game related things, without revealing them anything game related I know of course?
I am already starting to double post...just wanted to remind everyone never to edit their posts! as I just wanted to. Also, what do you mean by first online game, did you play it in real life already?
On June 17 2011 07:13 Xedat wrote: One serious question, can I send players pms after I died asking them game related things, without revealing them anything game related I know of course?
as long as you refrain from revealing *anything* game related, its fine.
On June 17 2011 07:32 Xedat wrote: Another question: Are dead mafia players allowed to give advice/talk in the mafia Quicktopic?
Same rule as with dead players PMing people, they are allowed to talk, as long as it dosn't give away any knowledge that the other players wouldn't have. They are also obviously not allowed to give any kind of detailed advice.
On June 17 2011 10:21 Lord Vatti wrote: (This is a question i just don't know how to get the green font, christ i'm such a n00b)
Are we allowed to view the forum, and post on it, so long as we don't vote/hint/give clues/give giveaways?
It's common courtesy not to say anything if the game is going on, but people do it. As long as it's not a very long post, and it does not contain ANY game related talk at all then maybe ONCE or twice in the thread, not the whole time while the game is progressing. People usually like to post something like "" when things are interesting.
On June 17 2011 10:21 Lord Vatti wrote: (This is a question i just don't know how to get the green font, christ i'm such a n00b)
Are we allowed to view the forum, and post on it, so long as we don't vote/hint/give clues/give giveaways?
It's common courtesy not to say anything if the game is going on, but people do it. As long as it's not a very long post, and it does not contain ANY game related talk at all then maybe ONCE or twice in the thread, not the whole time while the game is progressing. People usually like to post something like "" when things are interesting.
what he said ^_^
also to get the pretty green font use the [green ] [/green] tags (no space in the first [green]) and put the text to be made green between the two tags. Also bold it using the [b] tags (same deal as with the green ones ^_^)
(I just thought of this sitting here. It's sung to "P-Ditty" by Ke$ha. Not a fan, but the tune is useful. I promise i won't make any more posts like this, i just had this one in my head and i had to get it out.)
"You know i wake up in the mornin' feelin' like a townie, Get my lazy ass head out of bed, i'm gonna lynch this city, Before I leave, I hit the forum with a bottle 'a beer, 'cause when I log onto this bitch, I'm spendin' all day here!
I'm talking - loggin' on with my toes, toes, Don't need to wear any clothes, clothes, Typin' my fingers down to their bones, bones. Sittin' down, playing my favorite mp-3's, Voting on who that mafia is , Tryin' not to get all n00b-y....
[CHORUS] Don't stop, mafia rocks, coaches, fill this my forum up Tonight, I'mma vote 'Til all of the mafia croak Tick tock, on TL's clock But the killing's don't stop
Just for clarification because all my life I've been confused on this... EDT is eastern. I am eastern. But sometimes ppl write (-04:00) but whenever I fill out forms and crap eastern is always (-05:00). WHAT IS GOING ON!?!?
On June 18 2011 04:01 freeloader625 wrote: Just for clarification because all my life I've been confused on this... EDT is eastern. I am eastern. But sometimes ppl write (-04:00) but whenever I fill out forms and crap eastern is always (-05:00). WHAT IS GOING ON!?!?
No idea, I've always been confused by that too. Game starts at 06:00 KST, which is in about two hours.
On June 18 2011 04:01 freeloader625 wrote: Just for clarification because all my life I've been confused on this... EDT is eastern. I am eastern. But sometimes ppl write (-04:00) but whenever I fill out forms and crap eastern is always (-05:00). WHAT IS GOING ON!?!?
When it is no longer daylight savings time (the clocks will next change in November), "Eastern Daylight Time" becomes "Eastern Standard Time" or EST, which -05:00.
d'aww i wish we could start now you know one thing i never understand? how exactly do games get started? like where does the first FoS come from? i know last game it was because freeloader asked a rookie question and some mafia hopped on it. but other games i feel like there's nothing to go on. i'm hosting a full-role game on another forum right now and there are like 4 posts per day between 20 players because everyone just tries to win at night and no one wants to talk in order to not get suspicions on them. it's super frustrating to watch because it's boring as hell but i kinda see where they're coming from.
anyways MAYBE I SHOULD SAY SOMETHING SUSPICIOUS TO GET US STARTED
On June 18 2011 04:19 gtrsrs wrote: d'aww i wish we could start now you know one thing i never understand? how exactly do games get started? like where does the first FoS come from? i know last game it was because freeloader asked a rookie question and some mafia hopped on it. but other games i feel like there's nothing to go on. i'm hosting a full-role game on another forum right now and there are like 4 posts per day between 20 players because everyone just tries to win at night and no one wants to talk in order to not get suspicions on them. it's super frustrating to watch because it's boring as hell but i kinda see where they're coming from.
anyways MAYBE I SHOULD SAY SOMETHING SUSPICIOUS TO GET US STARTED
I would have jumped on anything whether or not I was scum. Better than a boring game that's for sure.
On June 18 2011 04:01 freeloader625 wrote: Just for clarification because all my life I've been confused on this... EDT is eastern. I am eastern. But sometimes ppl write (-04:00) but whenever I fill out forms and crap eastern is always (-05:00). WHAT IS GOING ON!?!?
EDT is Eastern Daylight Time, its -4:00 EST is Eastern Standard Time, its -5:00
On June 18 2011 04:19 gtrsrs wrote: d'aww i wish we could start now you know one thing i never understand? how exactly do games get started? like where does the first FoS come from? i know last game it was because freeloader asked a rookie question and some mafia hopped on it. but other games i feel like there's nothing to go on. i'm hosting a full-role game on another forum right now and there are like 4 posts per day between 20 players because everyone just tries to win at night and no one wants to talk in order to not get suspicions on them. it's super frustrating to watch because it's boring as hell but i kinda see where they're coming from.
anyways MAYBE I SHOULD SAY SOMETHING SUSPICIOUS TO GET US STARTED
I would have jumped on anything whether or not I was scum. Better than a boring game that's for sure.
Let's all have a fun clean game. (OH GAWD DON'T KILL ME!)
On June 18 2011 04:19 gtrsrs wrote: d'aww i wish we could start now you know one thing i never understand? how exactly do games get started? like where does the first FoS come from? i know last game it was because freeloader asked a rookie question and some mafia hopped on it. but other games i feel like there's nothing to go on. i'm hosting a full-role game on another forum right now and there are like 4 posts per day between 20 players because everyone just tries to win at night and no one wants to talk in order to not get suspicions on them. it's super frustrating to watch because it's boring as hell but i kinda see where they're coming from.
anyways MAYBE I SHOULD SAY SOMETHING SUSPICIOUS TO GET US STARTED
I would have jumped on anything whether or not I was scum. Better than a boring game that's for sure.
Let's all have a fun clean game. (OH GAWD DON'T KILL ME!)
Its the year 2016. Most of humanity has been overtaken by the zombie horde, and only a few redoubts of civilization remain, most of humanity is making an effort to survive and preserve life, while a few humans have turned to the worship of the undead and wish nothing more than to "bless" all of humanity with the "mercy" of death, so that they may be reborn again as undead. One of the scant redoubts of civilization that still stands is the town/fortress of Liquidia.
GMarshal glanced up at the imposing stone walls of the fortress, as he walked slowly towards the townhouse. It was dark already and the atmosphere was distinctly creepy, but it was safe inside the walls of the fortress. Safe from the undead, at least, though GMarshal. He was troubled, his chief advisor Mataza wanted to meet with him. Something about urgent information, that couldn't be divulged.
GMarshal pondered what this information could be as he stumbled over something. Getting up with a scowl GMarshal glanced at the object, and his eyes immediately shot wide open in panic . It was the dead body of Mataza, his blood lay pooled around him. GMarshal started up looking around wildly, terror painted in his face, when a single crossbow bolt thudded into his chest. He fell back, blood spurting out of the wound. The man with the crossbow approached him, a knife glinting in his hand. "Sorry sir" chaoser the man with the crossbow whispered, "but its time for you to be granted the blessing of undeath". GMarshal just grinned, as he pulled a gun out of his coat pocket and fired. Chaoser fell back his head blown clean off.
By the time the rest of the town arrived GMarshal had bled out.
The signs were clear however, the town knew what needed to be done. It was the only way to weed out the cultists in their midst.
GMarshal the Town Leader and Vigilante is dead Mataza the Survivor is dead chaoser the head cultist is dead
You have 48 hours to vote for who to lynch! At the end of this time the person with the most votes will be lynched! (Picture courtesy of Mataza)
Well, I'm gonna start by tossing out something that should be fairly obvious. If we have a DT, they should claim as soon as they hit a red. With only 3 mafia members, getting rid of a single one would be fantastic, and drop their KP right away. Obviously they shouldn't claim if they only hit a townie (though they maybe should claim to stop a mislynch? No so sure about this).
I think we can safely ignore the possibility of the set-up being the roleblocker, 2 goons, 9 townies, because that would be stupid.
On June 18 2011 06:13 Treadmill wrote: Well, I'm gonna start by tossing out something that should be fairly obvious. If we have a DT, they should claim as soon as they hit a red. With only 3 mafia members, getting rid of a single one would be fantastic, and drop their KP right away. Obviously they shouldn't claim if they only hit a townie (though they maybe should claim to stop a mislynch? No so sure about this).
I think we can safely ignore the possibility of the set-up being the roleblocker, 2 goons, 9 townies, because that would be stupid.
disagree at all points
since we potentially have a roleblocker (who i might accidentally call a "hooker" as habit from epicmafia, just a heads up), the mafia doesn't actually need to kill a power role to nullify it. they can hook it all game and go after other townies since a confirmed DT that can't provide reports is worse than the possibility that there's a DT out there somewhere.
a DT should only *definitely* claim if he's got a guilty when there are TWO mafia left. there are no millers in any set-up so his reports will be 100% accurate, and narrowing us down to 1 mafia from 2 (especially if that means a 50% chance at hitting a roleblocker if there is one) is better than sacrificing his power to get a single goon. IMO.
also i don't think it's safe to ignore any set-ups as possibilities. while it would certainly make for a less "fun" game, there's strategic merit in every set-up including the almost all-'nilla set-up. just "assuming" we have blue roles would benefit the mafia, as we may wait for a medic save or detective report that never comes
for reference on this page, these are the possible set-ups: 1 Mafia Role Blocker, 2 Mafia Goons, 7 Town, 1 Medic, 1 Detective 1 Mafia Role Blocker, 2 Mafia Goons, 9 Town 3 Mafia Goons, 1 Medic, 8 Town. 3 Mafia Goons, 1 Detective,8 Town.
We should get everyone talking as soon as possible and get some discussion going so we can weed out the lurkers and get a good lynch for day 1.
I also agree that the DT should not out himself right away unless the benefits are game changing. Does anyone know if the DT checks the role blocker will it return goon or roleblocker for him. If it returns roleblocker I would not mind the DT outing at that point since we will know 100% that we have 1 medic and 1 DT and the medic can keep the DT safe.
I was ignoring that possibility more because of the strangeness of a role-blocker with no roles to block. I suppose that GM could just be screwing with us though.
I missed that the mafia KP was fixed, that does changes the math a little.
I still think the DT should claim once he hits a single red (if we have one, which isn't guaranteed). Otherwise we run the risk of him seeing a red and then getting killed. The DT is almost certainly not going to give us more than 1 mafia this game anyways (he'll either get killed or RB'd, yes) so I don't see why it matters if he gives us the second or third one. Also finding our first mafia as early as possible will really help to lead us to the others.
On June 18 2011 06:38 omgCRAZY wrote: We should get everyone talking as soon as possible and get some discussion going so we can weed out the lurkers and get a good lynch for day 1.
I also agree that the DT should not out himself right away unless the benefits are game changing. Does anyone know if the DT checks the role blocker will it return goon or roleblocker for him. If it returns roleblocker I would not mind the DT outing at that point since we will know 100% that we have 1 medic and 1 DT and the medic can keep the DT safe.
From the OP it seems he only returns alignment, not role.
On June 18 2011 06:41 Treadmill wrote: I was ignoring that possibility more because of the strangeness of a role-blocker with no roles to block. I suppose that GM could just be screwing with us though.
oh herp. you're right i didn't even consider that. yes it does make it seem less likely
on the other hand the mafia won't know the set-up either. with the 2 goons and 1 hooker they could think that there are power roles so it's a mindfuck to them too. i guess it matters less to them since they want all of us dead regardless if we bleed blue or green but yeah
anyways we should keep the set-up possibilities fresh every couple of pages and update it or eliminate possibilities after every kill.
also it should go without saying but if we have one, the medic should never claim unless he is going to be lynched or unless one of his confirmed saves is going to be lynched. he doesn't have to lay low (see GGQ's post at the end of mafia XL about how a blue should play) because he doesn't WANT to look like a medic, but he shouldn't broadcast his role unless it the town is lynching his clear. maybe the medic can claim in a LYLO situation but i'm hesitant to say the medic SHOULD claim in LYLO because the mafia will likely claim medic as well. play it by ear
On June 18 2011 06:41 Treadmill wrote: I was ignoring that possibility more because of the strangeness of a role-blocker with no roles to block. I suppose that GM could just be screwing with us though.
It's not that strange... as explained earlier in this thread, that set up exists so that mafia don't automatically know the set up if they have a roleblocker.
Any play that involves early blue claims (or relies on blues at all, really) is generally a bad way to go.
All setups are equally as likely to happen. They are all there for good reason too, so that mafia doesn't get more info on the setup based on their roles.
On June 18 2011 06:41 Treadmill wrote: I was ignoring that possibility more because of the strangeness of a role-blocker with no roles to block. I suppose that GM could just be screwing with us though.
oh herp. you're right i didn't even consider that. yes it does make it seem less likely
on the other hand the mafia won't know the set-up either. with the 2 goons and 1 hooker they could think that there are power roles so it's a mindfuck to them too. i guess it matters less to them since they want all of us dead regardless if we bleed blue or green but yeah
anyways we should keep the set-up possibilities fresh every couple of pages and update it or eliminate possibilities after every kill.
also it should go without saying but if we have one, the medic should never claim unless he is going to be lynched or unless one of his confirmed saves is going to be lynched. he doesn't have to lay low (see GGQ's post at the end of mafia XL about how a blue should play) because he doesn't WANT to look like a medic, but he shouldn't broadcast his role unless it the town is lynching his clear. maybe the medic can claim in a LYLO situation but i'm hesitant to say the medic SHOULD claim in LYLO because the mafia will likely claim medic as well. play it by ear
This actually makes it town favored in some circumstances after night one, because town could have more access to info then mafia.
As it stands the Mafia already have a 50-50 shot at guessing the set up which puts us at a disadvantage as they can take a stab at how many blue we have. We should find out if there is roll blocker asap as if we have blues they will know the set up and be able to help us a lot more than if they know they are the only blue in the game but for now we should not claim on anything.
If someone gets roleblocked they should just say, we'll know if there's a roleblocker by day two (or maybe not if the RB holds off to hide, but even that would be a victory). And before people accuse me of blue-fishing as happened last game... its possible to say that you've been role-blocked without saying you're blue or you're green. It should go without saying that we shouldn't necessarily trust whoever says they were r-b'd, they might be mafia.
Another note - figuring out the set-up does give us something to talk about but its not terribly important in the long run, lets not fixate on something that doesn't really matter.
Dt sees the color of the checked player. and I think DT should never roleclaim asap. it's much better to give some hints by "analyzing" players if he found someone. when he got two mafia, I agree he should probably roleclaim. but since we don't know whether there is a medic, it would be bad if we lose our only blue in exchange to one mafia.
On June 18 2011 08:16 supersoft wrote: Dt sees the color of the checked player. and I think DT should never roleclaim asap. it's much better to give some hints by "analyzing" players if he found someone. when he got two mafia, I agree he should probably roleclaim. but since we don't know whether there is a medic, it would be bad if we lose our only blue in exchange to one mafia.
It wouldn't be bad at all. DT is good because they let us know where the mafia is. If they aren't doing that then they are useless. We don't score points at the end for how many blues are alive or something.
DT claiming as soon as they hit red helps us by a. giving us a verified lynch (either the person accused or the person who claimed DT must be mafia with no miller/framer/whatever) and killing 1/3 of the mafia b. preventing a possible mislynch (any lynch based on posting is less accurate then one based on DT check) c. it also gives us information to find the other mafia members from the vote list, posting, etc.
How is this discussion pro town in any way? Determining what setup we have will only help mafia fish for blue roles. if there are any, then mafia will act accordinly.
What if there are no rockblockers? And mafia claims roleblock? Then we're completely n the wrong mindset.
Town shouldn't be relying on any blue roles to win the game for them. We know that there are three mafia, our goal is to identity them, not whether or not there are blue roles in play.
Blues should be acting indepentently. So no, do not roleclaim please.
Someone explain how knowing tthe setup helps town? Cause it seems to me like it doesn't.
On June 18 2011 08:16 supersoft wrote: Dt sees the color of the checked player. and I think DT should never roleclaim asap. it's much better to give some hints by "analyzing" players if he found someone. when he got two mafia, I agree he should probably roleclaim. but since we don't know whether there is a medic, it would be bad if we lose our only blue in exchange to one mafia.
It wouldn't be bad at all. DT is good because they let us know where the mafia is. If they aren't doing that then they are useless. We don't score points at the end for how many blues are alive or something.
DT claiming as soon as they hit red helps us by a. giving us a verified lynch (either the person accused or the person who claimed DT must be mafia with no miller/framer/whatever) and killing 1/3 of the mafia b. preventing a possible mislynch (any lynch based on posting is less accurate then one based on DT check) c. it also gives us information to find the other mafia members from the vote list, posting, etc.
it doesn't work like that scum can just as easily say "i'm the detective, i have a guilty on gtrsrs" and who am i to say they're lying? likewise if the real detective comes forward and says "i'm the detective i have a guilty on gtrsrs" then i can easily step up and say "no I'M the real detective i have a guilty on treadmill!". with no mafia dead and a potential roleblocker alive, the DT is fucking himself by outting. you need to do it strategically
also we can't simply go on whether or not someone claims roleblocked because as someone said, mafia can claim roleblocked. a roleblocker doesn't have to block either, so he might not block and we go "oh hey no roleblocker we must be in set-up XXX" when they're just pulling our legs.
basically we need to do this via scumhunting until certain conditions are met, and only THEN should people start claiming
On June 18 2011 08:39 CjrNinja wrote: How is this discussion pro town in any way? Determining what setup we have will only help mafia fish for blue roles. if there are any, then mafia will act accordinly.
What if there are no rockblockers? And mafia claims roleblock? Then we're completely n the wrong mindset.
Town shouldn't be relying on any blue roles to win the game for them. We know that there are three mafia, our goal is to identity them, not whether or not there are blue roles in play.
Blues should be acting indepentently. So no, do not roleclaim please.
Someone explain how knowing tthe setup helps town? Cause it seems to me like it doesn't.
Sorry about the bad formatting, my phone sucks.
Working out the Game type helps blues but not the town while reds already have a 50/50 guess on the type and if they work out there is for example a medic in play they know the game type and can use it against us.
On June 18 2011 08:39 CjrNinja wrote: How is this discussion pro town in any way? Determining what setup we have will only help mafia fish for blue roles. if there are any, then mafia will act accordinly.
What if there are no rockblockers? And mafia claims roleblock? Then we're completely n the wrong mindset.
Town shouldn't be relying on any blue roles to win the game for them. We know that there are three mafia, our goal is to identity them, not whether or not there are blue roles in play.
Blues should be acting indepentently. So no, do not roleclaim please.
Someone explain how knowing tthe setup helps town? Cause it seems to me like it doesn't.
Sorry about the bad formatting, my phone sucks.
Working out the Game type helps blues but not the town while reds already have a 50/50 guess on the type and if they work out there is for example a medic in play they know the game type and can use it against us.
Blues also have a 50/50 chance of guessing the setup too. All this discussion will serve is helping scum go bluehunting. And don't forget that scum can very easily lie and claim blue anyway.
On June 18 2011 08:39 CjrNinja wrote: How is this discussion pro town in any way? Determining what setup we have will only help mafia fish for blue roles. if there are any, then mafia will act accordinly.
What if there are no rockblockers? And mafia claims roleblock? Then we're completely n the wrong mindset.
Town shouldn't be relying on any blue roles to win the game for them. We know that there are three mafia, our goal is to identity them, not whether or not there are blue roles in play.
Blues should be acting indepentently. So no, do not roleclaim please.
Someone explain how knowing tthe setup helps town? Cause it seems to me like it doesn't.
Sorry about the bad formatting, my phone sucks.
Working out the Game type helps blues but not the town while reds already have a 50/50 guess on the type and if they work out there is for example a medic in play they know the game type and can use it against us.
Blue's have a 50/50 guess as well on the game type. I really don't see what your getting at.
On June 18 2011 08:39 CjrNinja wrote: How is this discussion pro town in any way? Determining what setup we have will only help mafia fish for blue roles. if there are any, then mafia will act accordinly.
What if there are no rockblockers? And mafia claims roleblock? Then we're completely n the wrong mindset.
Town shouldn't be relying on any blue roles to win the game for them. We know that there are three mafia, our goal is to identity them, not whether or not there are blue roles in play.
Blues should be acting indepentently. So no, do not roleclaim please.
Someone explain how knowing tthe setup helps town? Cause it seems to me like it doesn't.
Sorry about the bad formatting, my phone sucks.
Working out the Game type helps blues but not the town while reds already have a 50/50 guess on the type and if they work out there is for example a medic in play they know the game type and can use it against us.
Blues also have a 50/50 chance of guessing the setup too. All this discussion will serve is helping scum go bluehunting. And don't forget that scum can very easily lie and claim blue anyway.
No one should be claiming blue for a long time but I agree in that we should stop this discussion and get onto analysing people
Working out the Game type helps blues but not the town while reds already have a 50/50 guess on the type and if they work out there is for example a medic in play they know the game type and can use it against us.
Alright since you asked for it I'll start with you.
Let's break this post down shall we?
Statement 1: Finding this information helps blues.
Statement 2: Finding this information does not help town.
Statement 3: Red's have a 50/50 guess on the game.
Wow seriously man, step it up. Think things through. You should be able to see the conclusions people can come to when they look at these statements and connect the dots.
Especially when they combine it with this.
but I agree in that we should stop this discussion and get onto analysing people
Working out the Game type helps blues but not the town while reds already have a 50/50 guess on the type and if they work out there is for example a medic in play they know the game type and can use it against us.
Alright since you asked for it I'll start with you.
Let's break this post down shall we?
Statement 1: Finding this information helps blues.
Statement 2: Finding this information does not help town.
Statement 3: Red's have a 50/50 guess on the game.
Wow seriously man, step it up. Think things through. You should be able to see the conclusions people can come to when they look at these statements and connect the dots.
but I agree in that we should stop this discussion and get onto analysing people
Can I pull a Freeloader here and Chalk it up to being a idiot / Inexperienced?
and statement two was more the fact of it may not help towns initially but helps Detectives be a bit more open without claiming knowing they have a medic as back up ( depending on set up ofc ) helping town later in the game.
Working out the Game type helps blues but not the town while reds already have a 50/50 guess on the type and if they work out there is for example a medic in play they know the game type and can use it against us.
Alright since you asked for it I'll start with you.
Let's break this post down shall we?
Statement 1: Finding this information helps blues.
Statement 2: Finding this information does not help town.
Statement 3: Red's have a 50/50 guess on the game.
Wow seriously man, step it up. Think things through. You should be able to see the conclusions people can come to when they look at these statements and connect the dots.
Especially when they combine it with this.
but I agree in that we should stop this discussion and get onto analysing people
Can I pull a Freeloader here and Chalk it up to being a idiot / Inexperienced?
and statement two was more the fact of it may not help towns initially but helps Detectives be a bit more open without claiming knowing they have a medic as back up ( depending on set up ofc ) helping town later in the game.
Notice how I didn't accuse you? Play smarter. Think about what you want to say. Don't be a kurumi and barf out your random thoughts onto the page and hope it makes sense.
On June 18 2011 09:31 aprudds wrote: Notice how I didn't accuse you? Play smarter. Think about what you want to say. Don't be a kurumi and barf out your random thoughts onto the page and hope it makes sense.
Oh damn son he just called you a, "kurumi."
On June 18 2011 09:28 Drazerk wrote:
Can I pull a Freeloader here and Chalk it up to being a idiot / Inexperienced?
On June 18 2011 09:31 aprudds wrote: Notice how I didn't accuse you? Play smarter. Think about what you want to say. Don't be a kurumi and barf out your random thoughts onto the page and hope it makes sense.
i'm gonna go ahead and piggyback off that freeloader you got your free pass last game you freeloader. you know well enough by now that posts like this \/
On June 18 2011 11:48 gtrsrs wrote: aprudds is out for blood don't back down bro
i'm gonna go ahead and piggyback off that freeloader you got your free pass last game you freeloader. you know well enough by now that posts like this \/
On June 18 2011 10:16 aprudds wrote: Hey Freeloader you intend of contributing this round instead of making random comments all game long?
You sound angry. Was it because you failed to lynch me last game? :D
Seriously though, I'll contribute more this game. Pinky swear!
accomplish nothing. so instead of posting this, why don't you make an analysis or contribute in some way
That's not fair gtr. What exactly is there analyze exactly? What has this contributed? Take some initiative as well and listen to your own advice. Unless your scum, then you can go burn and die.
On June 18 2011 14:24 Drazerk wrote: Since we have nothing to really go on I am going to try and get the ball rolling as we still have not heard anything from the following players -
5. Lord Vatti 6. Alderan 10. Xedat
Hopefully they stop by soon as non of them has had any activity since the game began.
To say one last word to the setup discussion, I think blues should only claim when they are being lynched or if they think outing themselves will help town.
Now, as we need to pressure someone, Drazerk, why do you bring the focus away from freeloader immediately and try to incriminate 3 people who haven't posted hours after the game started. Trying to protect your scumbuddy?
On June 18 2011 19:10 Xedat wrote: Generic post not to be modkilled.....
To say one last word to the setup discussion, I think blues should only claim when they are being lynched or if they think outing themselves will help town.
Now, as we need to pressure someone, Drazerk, why do you bring the focus away from freeloader immediately and try to incriminate 3 people who haven't posted hours after the game started. Trying to protect your scumbuddy?
Focusing on freeloader?
What was we focusing on he made one worthless post which was more than the three I had listed had done who had more than enough time to post something by the time I posted the list.
If I had not pointed the three out they will continue to lurk which is just bad all round
Yeah, I am not actually suspecting you, just tried to get someone talking. We will see if someone slips something stupid, otherwise it will be a random lynch tomorrow I think.
On June 18 2011 23:00 Xedat wrote: Yeah, I am not actually suspecting you, just tried to get someone talking. We will see if someone slips something stupid, otherwise it will be a random lynch tomorrow I think.
You might not be, but I most certainly am. What is particularly suspicious about Drazek is how much his posting behavior has changed between last game and this one. Last game Drazek said almost nothing all game long. However, he's been perhaps the biggest talker this game. I suppose one could attribute this to being "more comfortable" with the smaller setting, but it's not like he increased his posted more at the end of the last game. This strikes me as very suspicious.
On June 18 2011 23:00 Xedat wrote: Yeah, I am not actually suspecting you, just tried to get someone talking. We will see if someone slips something stupid, otherwise it will be a random lynch tomorrow I think.
You might not be, but I most certainly am. What is particularly suspicious about Drazek is how much his posting behavior has changed between last game and this one. Last game Drazek said almost nothing all game long. However, he's been perhaps the biggest talker this game. I suppose one could attribute this to being "more comfortable" with the smaller setting, but it's not like he increased his posted more at the end of the last game. This strikes me as very suspicious.
##Vote: Drazek
It was more the fact every time I posted in that thread people ended up voting for me and as it ws the first game i just wanted to keep my head down and survive as long as possible
It wouldn't be bad at all. DT is good because they let us know where the mafia is. If they aren't doing that then they are useless. We don't score points at the end for how many blues are alive or something.
DT claiming as soon as they hit red helps us by a. giving us a verified lynch (either the person accused or the person who claimed DT must be mafia with no miller/framer/whatever) and killing 1/3 of the mafia b. preventing a possible mislynch (any lynch based on posting is less accurate then one based on DT check) c. it also gives us information to find the other mafia members from the vote list, posting, etc.
I 100% dissagree UNLESS the DT is about to get lynched. If you're playing optimally it is best for the DT to hold on for as long as possible, while succesfully convincing the town to lynch who they red confirmed without outing themselves. In a game with only 12 people, having a DT get as many checks as possible is key, and outing themselves
On June 18 2011 23:23 Drazerk wrote: 5. Lord Vatti 6. Alderan
Speak up now, being silent only helps Mafia
Keep in mind guys we're less than 24 hours in, I mean, I just woke up. Just like last game (I think almost all of us were in), a list of people who are posting very generic fluff and not helping the town is much more helpful than an inactive list.
i'll vote for treadmill for putting up such an aweful plan for our DTs. i'll be back in about 24 hours. until then i'll spend my time on the german Autobahn ;-)
placeholder vote til he speaks i'm leaning to someone else but no need to *not* vote for the lurker at this point in case i can't get on later ##vote: Lord Vatti
On June 19 2011 06:30 aprudds wrote: Hey Drazerk, inactives will get modkilled. I'm sure you learned that from last game. You also seem a bit too eager to change focus from freeloader.
I still have no idea what the case on freeloader is despite passing by the last game and then making an Awful post in this one
The Vaati vote is purely there until a case is built on someone else
I don't think there is a case against freeloader. The problem is he's being just as useless as he was last game. Hear that, freeloader? Please be less useless.
Drazerk is posting a lot but not contributing, which is worse. I'm gonna back up Pyo and ##Vote: Drazerk
but mostly just to pressure him into actually saying something.
If Vatti gets himself modkilled I'm gonna be so depressed.
On June 19 2011 02:37 supersoft wrote: i'll vote for treadmill for putting up such an aweful plan for our DTs. i'll be back in about 24 hours. until then i'll spend my time on the german Autobahn ;-)
Bad plan =/= scum. After re-reading the last few pages I doubt that Treadmill had a scum agenda. The whole reason he made that first post was due to the fact he thought that mafia had 2 KP, in which case claiming asap to instantly cut scum down to 1 KP wouldn't be such a bad idea.
Drazerk and Lord Vatti have been gathering the most attention at the moment, so I'm wondering why you put a vote on Treadmill? He's trying to contribute ideas and get the discussion moving, which is more than most people in the thread so far. You state your reason in about 10 words, then tell us you won't be around for 24 hours. Why? To give you justification for not responding to any pressure that's put on you or your decision to vote treadmill?
##vote: supersoft. Let's see if you are back within 24 hours.
The point Drazerk is that inactives will get modkilled. Trying to completely shift focus onto inactives who might not even respond is not productive or pro town.
okay i know i'm going to regret this if Drazerk flips scum but
i think the logical thing to do for now is to remove your votes from Drazerk in my earlier post i said i was leaning to someone, and that person is Drazerk, but the point remains that Lord Vatti is suspiciously MIA.
here's what potentially could happen: 1. Lord Vatti is townie without a role, saw that he didn't have a role, and afk'd out of the game. he will be modkilled. he could even be mafia but i doubt it. 2. the town votes for Drazerk on what can only be described as moderate-at-best suspicions. 2a. Drazerk flips townie. we're now down 2 townies and 0 mafia. it's as if 2 nights have passed (via 2 mafia kills) but we'll only have the info from 1 night's worth of night actions (if we even *have* any blues). 2b. Drazerk flips mafia. our hunches were correct. high five town. 2c. Drazerk flips power role. oh shit, his increased activity was because he's got a more prominent role. fuck our lives. 3. the town votes for Lord Vatti. since he was queued up to be modkilled, we lose nothing, and get a free night of investigations, potential saves, both, or neither.
so with all that in mind, and noting that i'm NOT defending Drazerk (for he is my FoS at the moment, but it is an extremely weak FoS), i still think we should pile the votes onto Lord Vatti instead. best case scenario we kill an afk mafia. worst case scenario we lose a townie that we would have lost anyways. if we keep our votes on drazerk, the worst-case goes up to losing 2 townies.
so with that in mind, i think that until Lord Vatti shows up to contribute, no matter how big of a hunch/suspicion we have of Drazerk, we should not vote him until we're all present. once Lord Vatti shows up i'm all for pressuring Drazerk, i just don't want to lose 2 townies on day 1
:/ So... we're wasting our day one lynch on a modkill, losing a townie night one, then spending the next day lynching the guy most people had been voting for day one? That's 2 wasted lynches...
gtrsrs, I completely disagree with your plan on lynching a modkill.
Scum will join the Lord Vatti bandwagon, regardless of his alignment (If Lord Vatti is scum, then remaining mafia can pull a Munk-E and bus their scumbuddy by agreeing to your plan, once it becomes apparent that he will be modkilled).
If scum are on this voting list, it gets town nowhere closer to knowing who is red by day 2, essentially making that day's lynch as 'random' as Day 1's lynch.
You should be voting for scum, you said yourself that Drazerk was your current FoS. Of course it's going to be an extremely weak FoS, unless a scum really fucks up and scumslips on day 1, you'll be hard pressed to have a solid FoS, but we need to start somewhere.
What I'm trying to say is that the only thing I see lynching an inactive does is stall the game for town by another day, which will give mafia the advantage of a few free townkills. In order to get a hold on this game, we need to take a stance and lynch the scummiest person.
Lord Vatti might not even show up and get modkilled thereforewe should waste our lynch on him?
Sorry, but what kind of scummy ass backwards ass logic is that?
Might I remind you that there are no vigilantes this game. Lynching is the only way for us to fight scum.
Let's see what we gain by doing a AFK lynch.
Oh wait, we gain nothing!
We will start day 2 with no information from a lynch, a modkill and a mafia kill.
the town votes for Lord Vatti. since he was queued up to be modkilled, we lose nothing, and get a free night of investigations, potential saves, both, or neither.
What the hell mate. Incase you didn't know scum kill at night as well.
What your suggesting is that we waste time, lose our lynch and wait on blue information.
Terrible terrible plan.
You vote for who you think is the most suspicious.
That being said, I looked through the few posts there are carefully and realized I have been a bit hasty with my vote.
##Unvote ##Vote Alderan
Oh no you don't Alderan. You don't get away with that.
A bit too eager to jump on the bandwagon are we?
Hoping Vatti comes and provides something useful.
Posting something Useful you say? What have you done again? Your going to vote for him because it's the most logical choice? What logic? I don't see any.
Keep in mind guys we're less than 24 hours in, I mean, I just woke up. Just like last game (I think almost all of us were in), a list of people who are posting very generic fluff and not helping the town is much more helpful than an inactive list.
18 and a half hours or so remain. Lord Vatti leading the vote count with three votes. Four people have yet to cast votes. Remember to BOLD your votes please ^_^. If I miscounted/missed a vote please point it out.
guys you need to look at this from a numbers standpoint how fair would this game be if, when we lynched a townie, mafia got 2 kills? that would suck right?
well numerically, mislynching today would be the same. let's say Drazerk flips town. now mafia gets "2 kills" in Lord Vatti and someone else. at least Drazerk has the POTENTIAL to contribute at this point. LV's contributions are absolutely nothing.
i'm glad you brought up the vigilante point aprudds. don't we know too well that just because a vigilante CAN kill someone at night, doesn't mean he SHOULD? likewise, now that lynching is our only KP, just because we CAN lynch someone doesn't mean we HAVE to, especially with a modkill on the block.
and i know i look so scummy for this but i'm gonna stick with my guns here and ask you to vote for Lord Vatti til he shows up to give some input. this might just be the epicmafia vet in me speaking. but when we have someone who is actively lurking, we vote for them. most of the time once the votes pile up, they show up in the discussion. but if not, vote-kicking them is the best way to progress the game, as they would have "vegged out" and died anyways. as soon as LV shows up i'm happy to throw my vote on drazerk. but for the time being, i have *minimal* suspicion of drazerk. i'd rather make a harmless vote than vote for someone based on minimal suspicions. of course as soon as LV shows up, the *minimal* suspicion will be my greatest suspicion so i'll change then. but please don't let mafia jump up to a 3 kill advantage this early
On June 19 2011 11:44 gtrsrs wrote: guys you need to look at this from a numbers standpoint how fair would this game be if, when we lynched a townie, mafia got 2 kills? that would suck right?
well numerically, mislynching today would be the same. let's say Drazerk flips town. now mafia gets "2 kills" in Lord Vatti and someone else. at least Drazerk has the POTENTIAL to contribute at this point. LV's contributions are absolutely nothing.
i'm glad you brought up the vigilante point aprudds. don't we know too well that just because a vigilante CAN kill someone at night, doesn't mean he SHOULD? likewise, now that lynching is our only KP, just because we CAN lynch someone doesn't mean we HAVE to, especially with a modkill on the block.
and i know i look so scummy for this but i'm gonna stick with my guns here and ask you to vote for Lord Vatti til he shows up to give some input. this might just be the epicmafia vet in me speaking. but when we have someone who is actively lurking, we vote for them. most of the time once the votes pile up, they show up in the discussion. but if not, vote-kicking them is the best way to progress the game, as they would have "vegged out" and died anyways. as soon as LV shows up i'm happy to throw my vote on drazerk. but for the time being, i have *minimal* suspicion of drazerk. i'd rather make a harmless vote than vote for someone based on minimal suspicions. of course as soon as LV shows up, the *minimal* suspicion will be my greatest suspicion so i'll change then. but please don't let mafia jump up to a 3 kill advantage this early
Your supporting a no lynch day one. We gain no info out of that, go 2 men down because of the modkill and night kill and then REPEAT DAY ONE ALL OVER AGAIN.
So we have to take a risk, big deal. If we never took risks we would lose. Why are you fear mongering? What happened to the GTRSRS of last game who was tunneling with balls of steel. The only person that would benefit from a no lynch is scum.
i will tunnel with balls of steel once i actually have something to go on Q_Q for now i am just afraid of starting the game down 3 townies instead of 2
On June 19 2011 12:49 gtrsrs wrote: i will tunnel with balls of steel once i actually have something to go on Q_Q for now i am just afraid of starting the game down 3 townies instead of 2
You realize you always have to take the risk of lynching and postponing it is only going to give the win to scum right? Who neutered you Gtr? Where is the prideful fearless motherfucker from last game?
hrrm... I'd actually agree with gtrsrs' argument for once (somewhat). If we don't have a half-decent case against somebody by tomorrow I think that It WOULD be better to just lynch L.V. rather than do a semi-random lynch.
However a. there's still time for LV to pop up and NOT get modkilled b. there's still time for a semi-decent case against someone to be established.
I'm still leaving my vote on Drazerk until he posts something with substance (or a better case arrives).
On June 19 2011 13:10 Treadmill wrote: hrrm... I'd actually agree with gtrsrs' argument for once (somewhat). If we don't have a half-decent case against somebody by tomorrow I think that It WOULD be better to just lynch L.V. rather than do a semi-random lynch.
However a. there's still time for LV to pop up and NOT get modkilled b. there's still time for a semi-decent case against someone to be established.
I'm still leaving my vote on Drazerk until he posts something with substance (or a better case arrives).
You realize with this mindset we are just going to be waiting till the dawn of time. Your going to "wait" for a better case to come? What you think scum are just going to barge in and yell HERE I AM COME AND GET ME?
On June 19 2011 13:10 Treadmill wrote: hrrm... I'd actually agree with gtrsrs' argument for once (somewhat). If we don't have a half-decent case against somebody by tomorrow I think that It WOULD be better to just lynch L.V. rather than do a semi-random lynch.
However a. there's still time for LV to pop up and NOT get modkilled b. there's still time for a semi-decent case against someone to be established.
I'm still leaving my vote on Drazerk until he posts something with substance (or a better case arrives).
You realize with this mindset we are just going to be waiting till the dawn of time. Your going to "wait" for a better case to come? What you think scum are just going to barge in and yell HERE I AM COME AND GET ME?
As opposed to your path which is "its day one and there's obviously enough evidence for me to be 100% certain xyz is scum"? Waiting to see what people say when they post more is prudent. And if they don't post anything then that tells us something too. Also, your case against Alderan? Shitty.
On June 19 2011 13:10 Treadmill wrote: hrrm... I'd actually agree with gtrsrs' argument for once (somewhat). If we don't have a half-decent case against somebody by tomorrow I think that It WOULD be better to just lynch L.V. rather than do a semi-random lynch.
However a. there's still time for LV to pop up and NOT get modkilled b. there's still time for a semi-decent case against someone to be established.
I'm still leaving my vote on Drazerk until he posts something with substance (or a better case arrives).
You realize with this mindset we are just going to be waiting till the dawn of time. Your going to "wait" for a better case to come? What you think scum are just going to barge in and yell HERE I AM COME AND GET ME?
As opposed to your path which is "its day one and there's obviously enough evidence for me to be 100% certain xyz is scum"? Waiting to see what people say when they post more is prudent. And if they don't post anything then that tells us something too. Also, your case against Alderan? Shitty.
Oh so you will only lynch when your 100% certain someone is scum? I guess you will never lynch anyone then unless you get a DT role. How convenient.
Your relying on being passive and hoping people out themselves. Do you think scum is just going to jump out and say LYNCH ME PLZ ^_^ with everyone just sitting around and 'waiting'? No waiting is what scum want, to slowly pass the days along picking us off one by one.
I realize we don't want a mislynch but if we aren't active and surrender the first day to scum without even trying to fight back what does that leave us in day 2? Exactly where we started, waiting for more information.
Look through past mafia. When was the last time someone was mafia and didn't post in the first day. It's like scum 101 that lurkers will be targeted early on. For that reason I highly doubt that someone who isn't talking is mafia. Those that are mafia are either going to post more than they might normally or would throw out a token 1 or 2 posts in an effort to be present, but not really draw attention to themselves.
There are 3 people that stand out to me so far: Drazek, who was post a lot more than he used to until I called him out on it aprudds, who was mafia last time, which makes me think that he's town this time alderan, who has only posted twice (contradicting himself as aprudds pointed out) supersoft, who has only a couple times then gave the excuse of "i'll be away for a while"
For now I'm going to leave my vote on Drazek, but we should be highly suspicious of alderan and supersoft.
there is a 1/4 chance that any given individual is mafia. This means that if we have fewer than 4 suspects, it is a winning strategy to randomly pick one of them and lynch that person. If we have 4 or more suspects, then it would be better to not vote at all, or in this case to vote for the person who is about to be modkilled. So when it comes to voting for Lord Vatti, ask your self, "are there 4 people or more who are very suspicious?" If the answer is yes, vote for him. If the answer is no, pick on of the others.
Your logic is kinda crappy, Pyo. You're assuming that if we have, say, 3 suspects, that one (and exactly one) must be red. Which is obviously not the case. Also, don't metagame too much, its entirely possible that aprudds got mafia twice in a row.
@aprudds: sorry, I don't mean to be passive. Partly I'm just a little uncertain considering how absolutely wrong I was about everything last game. I actually agree with you that we should lynch whomever seems most suspicious, not go after L.V. for being inactive. But I think we have around 12 hours for people to post and possibly slip up. No, people won't shout "I am mafia" but they may contradict themselves or make spurious arguments.
On June 19 2011 14:01 Treadmill wrote: Your logic is kinda crappy, Pyo. You're assuming that if we have, say, 3 suspects, that one (and exactly one) must be red. Which is obviously not the case. Also, don't metagame too much, its entirely possible that aprudds got mafia twice in a row.
@aprudds: sorry, I don't mean to be passive. Partly I'm just a little uncertain considering how absolutely wrong I was about everything last game. I actually agree with you that we should lynch whomever seems most suspicious, not go after L.V. for being inactive. But I think we have around 12 hours for people to post and possibly slip up. No, people won't shout "I am mafia" but they may contradict themselves or make spurious arguments.
You realize that "I'm uncertain how wrong I was" was the EXACT card I played last game to get people off me when I was scum Don't get demotivated because of last game, this is a much smaller game, it will be much harder to lurk compared to the lurking scum did last game.
On June 19 2011 14:01 Treadmill wrote: Your logic is kinda crappy, Pyo. You're assuming that if we have, say, 3 suspects, that one (and exactly one) must be red. Which is obviously not the case. Also, don't metagame too much, its entirely possible that aprudds got mafia twice in a row.
@aprudds: sorry, I don't mean to be passive. Partly I'm just a little uncertain considering how absolutely wrong I was about everything last game. I actually agree with you that we should lynch whomever seems most suspicious, not go after L.V. for being inactive. But I think we have around 12 hours for people to post and possibly slip up. No, people won't shout "I am mafia" but they may contradict themselves or make spurious arguments.
The point isn't that if you suspect that 3 people are mafia than 1 has to be, it's that if you can reasonably eliminate some people off the list of suspects then it becomes a winning strategy to pick from the remaining randomly. Basically, a non-lynch is better than a mislynch as gtrsrs points out. There's a 3/4 chance of a mislynch, so to actually lynch someone, you need to be better than 3/4 certain that the lynch target is guilty. It's somewhat subjective, but I feel as though if you can reasonably eliminate 8 of the other 11 people out there, then placing your vote on one of the remaining 3 people.
Also you missed my point about aprudds. I'm simply pointing out that given that there's nothing else going on, noticing differences in behavior are more substantial grounds for accusation than random tunneling. aprudds changing his posting patterns doesn't really mean much since last time he was mafia. I brought him up as a comparison to Drazek who noticeably changed his posting pattern but was town last time. aprudds is also pretty good at this game from what I can tell, which makes him quite dangerous in and of itself so you should be suspicious of him regardless.
The purpose of the accusation against Drazek was to apply serious pressure, since I have a semi-legitimate reason to go after him. A couple people followed suit, and he dropped off the grid. This makes Drazek extremely suspicious.
Alright, nice to comeback to some actual discussion. So far here is what I see.
Lord Vatti: I don't think we should waste a lynch on a modkill for any reason. If we lynch someone with the most evidence that we can muster as a group we have an ok chance of hitting mafia. If we do hit a townie we will at the very least have a lot of information to work off of.
Drazerk: Has been going after inactives/lurkers hard but has not been generating any good discussion. He made some weird arguments earlier on but nothing too scummy. I am ok with pressuring lurkers but their needs to be discussion going on as well. Drazerk please try to add to some analysis and don't start lurking now that the pressure is on you. This is where you need to step up the most.
Alderan: While there is some discrepancies between what he is saying I don't think it is as significant as aprudds thinks it is.
gtrsrs: As others have noted. His play has changed from his last game of mafia where he was town.
Treadmill: Initially started the plan to have DT out himself (thought Mafia had 2 KP) which is understandable given that he missed that part of the rules. But after realising his mistake he still argues for the DT to out himself which I find scummy as it would be much more helpful for the mafia than the town. He does go on to support gtrsrs' case about lynching a modkill if we don't have a really strong case against someone (which will be very hard to find Day 1). aprudds points out how Treadmill is using the same defense he did in the previous mafia game when apprudds was mafia. Treadmill seems to advocate waiting to lynch until we have a really solid case yet votes for someone with a really weak case and then backs up wasting a lynch... scummy. I am keeping an eye on you Treadmill.
Overall: I think wasting a lynch on a modkill is a terrible idea and I think we should be suspicious of anyone who is advocating it. We need to analyze and generate discussion AND pressure lurkers to do the same. Need to be careful that we don't let people silently jump on votes or just repeat/agree what others have said without adding to the discussion.
I agree that we should not waste our lynch on an inactive player. I find it quite strange that Drazerk does not really defend himself after it looks like he is to be lynched. There has been a lot of discussion about him and I think lynching the most talked about player actually has some merit, as it will help us scumhunting. As others have said, just waiting until someone slips is not a winning strategy.
If you are under fire, please defend yourself properly. I know that it is pretty difficult on day one, but saying nothing is the worst you can do.
It's time for my contribution. I actually had written up posts last game but never had a chance to actually post them up. I even had a Day 1 full defensive post but by the time I finished writing the tides have changed and rookie bandwagon couldn't be stopped and no longer had any reason to post it. Man that last game was hectic.
Ok so heres my observations so far.
On June 18 2011 11:48 gtrsrs wrote: aprudds is out for blood don't back down bro
i'm gonna go ahead and piggyback off that freeloader you got your free pass last game you freeloader. you know well enough by now that posts like this \/
On June 18 2011 10:16 aprudds wrote: Hey Freeloader you intend of contributing this round instead of making random comments all game long?
You sound angry. Was it because you failed to lynch me last game? :D
Seriously though, I'll contribute more this game. Pinky swear!
accomplish nothing. so instead of posting this, why don't you make an analysis or contribute in some way
Early post of game gtrsrs attacks me based on no evidence at all. In fact as apprudds pointed out, his post reeks of oxymoron, his attack is, “your post doesn’t help” when in fact his post doesn’t help either. So aggressive, but I understand why you would do this. You want me to speak up and post more. This would be a pro town play.
On June 19 2011 10:07 gtrsrs wrote: okay i know i'm going to regret this if Drazerk flips scum but
i think the logical thing to do for now is to remove your votes from Drazerk in my earlier post i said i was leaning to someone, and that person is Drazerk, but the point remains that Lord Vatti is suspiciously MIA.
here's what potentially could happen: 1. Lord Vatti is townie without a role, saw that he didn't have a role, and afk'd out of the game. he will be modkilled. he could even be mafia but i doubt it. 2. the town votes for Drazerk on what can only be described as moderate-at-best suspicions. 2a. Drazerk flips townie. we're now down 2 townies and 0 mafia. it's as if 2 nights have passed (via 2 mafia kills) but we'll only have the info from 1 night's worth of night actions (if we even *have* any blues). 2b. Drazerk flips mafia. our hunches were correct. high five town. 2c. Drazerk flips power role. oh shit, his increased activity was because he's got a more prominent role. fuck our lives. 3. the town votes for Lord Vatti. since he was queued up to be modkilled, we lose nothing, and get a free night of investigations, potential saves, both, or neither.
so with all that in mind, and noting that i'm NOT defending Drazerk (for he is my FoS at the moment, but it is an extremely weak FoS), i still think we should pile the votes onto Lord Vatti instead. best case scenario we kill an afk mafia. worst case scenario we lose a townie that we would have lost anyways. if we keep our votes on drazerk, the worst-case goes up to losing 2 townies.
so with that in mind, i think that until Lord Vatti shows up to contribute, no matter how big of a hunch/suspicion we have of Drazerk, we should not vote him until we're all present. once Lord Vatti shows up i'm all for pressuring Drazerk, i just don't want to lose 2 townies on day 1
Then his attitude changes from attacking to “no vote” passive play right when Drazerk picks up some serious heat with 3 votes and with "better evidence" than he had to attack me. Mighty scummy. Why wouldn't you wait to see his response? This play, gtrsrs makes a bunch of posts but at the end contradicts himself without seeming like it, therefore you just made your prior posts worthless. You seemed so out for blood earlier but now you don’t want any of it once drazerk is mentioned. You don't even wait for his defense. Why not? Weren't you pushing for all townies to speak up? Contradicting plays are usually what scum do, which in last game pushed the votes out and scored town the GF with a very close vote by one.
You try to justify your change to passive play, while trying to convince all townies to do the same. You claim to be not defending when actually defending and buying time. You first wanted to attack players for information, but now you try to say we should back off, cut our losses instead and be completely passive. Er what? So are you trying to get information out of players or are you trying to seem like you are trying to get information from players? Typical scum play is early on pushing hard to seem pro town and gain credit, but then later on try to convince players to instead to do the anti town play without town realizing it. In this case the the antitown play would be not voting potential scum drazerk to see his reaction and do nothing instead. He hasn't even posted anything yet!
Now lets assume we all vote to lynch Drazerk. At the very least he'll start posting frantically and we all gain something. This is what you wanted right? Yet you seems so fast to defend him. If he flips green we made the wrong choice but at least we have effectively increased our chance to lynch red by having a list of potential suspects based on voting patterns and bandwagon jumpers. WHY WOULD YOU NOT WANT THIS LIST? Why try so hard to prevent it before it even starts? That is of course unless you already know hes red and want to stop a red lynch before it goes further. You wanted people to talk early game for “information” by pressuring and now you try to shy town away from that very same tactic of pressure and play passive. I just don't get it. Only logic left is protecting buddy scum from getting any more pressure and before he scum slips.
So you want information and all for pressuring, but as long as its not on drazerk? Ok lets assume we did what you asked and everyone just voted for modkill right now. Then Day 2 comes. What have we learned? Er nothing I suppose? It's like Day 1, except we're down modkills and mafia hit. 2 modkills 1 mafia hit = 10 players remaining with 3 scum while town has learned absolutely nothing. We have no list of bandwagon jumpers. We have no Drazerk response because he didn't need to. It really would feel like Day 1 wouldn't it? That my friends is as anti-town as a play gets. Town gains nothing while losing 3 members.
Conclusion: gtrsrs It's so obvious you are SCUM. You try to make fast early plays, set a solid "leading" presence, try so hard to seem pro town, get all that protown credit, pretending to make good protown plays then tell us to all be completely passive instead and hope no one notices while saving your buddy at the same time. That would be ideal for you wouldn't it? I think that you just convinced me who to vote for. Should you flip red then drazerk has a high chance of being red as well since coincidentally both your playstyles have changed and your sudden change in attitude once Drazerk was under pressure.
Second, I'm also suspicious of gtrsrs for rather similar reasons. Something to add though is about this post: + Show Spoiler +
On June 19 2011 10:07 gtrsrs wrote: okay i know i'm going to regret this if Drazerk flips scum but
i think the logical thing to do for now is to remove your votes from Drazerk in my earlier post i said i was leaning to someone, and that person is Drazerk, but the point remains that Lord Vatti is suspiciously MIA.
here's what potentially could happen: 1. Lord Vatti is townie without a role, saw that he didn't have a role, and afk'd out of the game. he will be modkilled. he could even be mafia but i doubt it. 2. the town votes for Drazerk on what can only be described as moderate-at-best suspicions. 2a. Drazerk flips townie. we're now down 2 townies and 0 mafia. it's as if 2 nights have passed (via 2 mafia kills) but we'll only have the info from 1 night's worth of night actions (if we even *have* any blues). 2b. Drazerk flips mafia. our hunches were correct. high five town. 2c. Drazerk flips power role. oh shit, his increased activity was because he's got a more prominent role. fuck our lives. 3. the town votes for Lord Vatti. since he was queued up to be modkilled, we lose nothing, and get a free night of investigations, potential saves, both, or neither.
so with all that in mind, and noting that i'm NOT defending Drazerk (for he is my FoS at the moment, but it is an extremely weak FoS), i still think we should pile the votes onto Lord Vatti instead. best case scenario we kill an afk mafia. worst case scenario we lose a townie that we would have lost anyways. if we keep our votes on drazerk, the worst-case goes up to losing 2 townies.
so with that in mind, i think that until Lord Vatti shows up to contribute, no matter how big of a hunch/suspicion we have of Drazerk, we should not vote him until we're all present. once Lord Vatti shows up i'm all for pressuring Drazerk, i just don't want to lose 2 townies on day 1
He makes a decent argument but it seems very uncharacteristic.... he says that he was leaning to Drazerk being on the scummy side. But, remember last game? gtrsrs was suspicious of iGrok from the get-go. And he tunnelled him mercilessly, and was very forward about his suspicions. But here he's saying "I've been suspicious of Drazerk but I wasn't going to say anything" which is extremely unlike how he played last game. Also, he's suspicious of him but he's not going to vote him? That, again, seems unlike gtrsrs' play last game.
There is a decent case that gtrsrs and Drazerk are both mafia, as freeloader put forward. HOWEVER.
The case is by no means 100%. Both could quite easily be green. Or, one could be town and the other mafia. That considered, gtrsrs is a much better townie than Drazerk. If they ARE both green than I'd much rather lose Drazerk than gtrsrs. Also, it seems slightly more likely (to me, anyways) that Draz is mafia while gtrsrs is town, rather than vice versa.
My vote is already on Drazerk, originally only to pressure him into speaking substantively. It's gotten quite close to the deadline and he hasn't. So, I think that we should lynch Drazerk today, and see from there.
Especially, freeloader, I think that you should change your vote from gtrsrs - if Draz flips red, than we can target gtrsrs (though if he flips green it doesn't mean that gtrsrs is definitely in the clear).
Right I know pretty much nothing i say will save me at this point So im going to say this
Don't trust Gtrsrs (yes i know your on my side kinda ) when i flip Green, Which I will he will claim he knew it and try to abuse that town cred for his own good later in the game
He's no where near as ruthless as the last game he's Either a power role trying to stay back or Scum
On June 19 2011 17:46 freeloader625 wrote: Early post of game gtrsrs attacks me based on no evidence at all. In fact as apprudds pointed out, his post reeks of oxymoron, his attack is, “your post doesn’t help” when in fact his post doesn’t help either. So aggressive, but I understand why you would do this. You want me to speak up and post more. This would be a pro town play.
On June 19 2011 17:46 freeloader625 wrote: Now lets assume we all vote to lynch Drazerk. At the very least he'll start posting frantically and we all gain something. This is what you wanted right? Yet you seems so fast to defend him. If he flips green we made the wrong choice but at least we have effectively increased our chance to lynch red by having a list of potential suspects based on voting patterns and bandwagon jumpers. WHY WOULD YOU NOT WANT THIS LIST? Why try so hard to prevent it before it even starts? That is of course unless you already know hes red and want to stop a red lynch before it goes further. You wanted people to talk early game for “information” by pressuring and now you try to shy town away from that very same tactic of pressure and play passive. I just don't get it. Only logic left is protecting buddy scum from getting any more pressure and before he scum slips.
This is bad reasoning. Mafia have no reason to go along with a voting bandwagon on day 1 unless by random circumstance one of their own get targeted, in which case they might drive a bandwagon against someone else. Notice how not a single mafia voted for freeloader day 1 in the last game? If anything mafia will do their best to lay low day 1 voting for nobody in particular unless they can't undo a random bandwagon on one of their own. If that happens they'll probably end up bussing him.
My point here is that regardless of who ends up getting lynched today, even if they flip green, those that voted for that person doesn't necessarily include mafia.
On June 19 2011 17:46 freeloader625 wrote: Now lets assume we all vote to lynch Drazerk. At the very least he'll start posting frantically and we all gain something. This is what you wanted right? Yet you seems so fast to defend him. If he flips green we made the wrong choice but at least we have effectively increased our chance to lynch red by having a list of potential suspects based on voting patterns and bandwagon jumpers. WHY WOULD YOU NOT WANT THIS LIST? Why try so hard to prevent it before it even starts? That is of course unless you already know hes red and want to stop a red lynch before it goes further. You wanted people to talk early game for “information” by pressuring and now you try to shy town away from that very same tactic of pressure and play passive. I just don't get it. Only logic left is protecting buddy scum from getting any more pressure and before he scum slips.
This is bad reasoning. Mafia have no reason to go along with a voting bandwagon on day 1 unless by random circumstance one of their own get targeted, in which case they might drive a bandwagon against someone else. Notice how not a single mafia voted for freeloader day 1 in the last game? If anything mafia will do their best to lay low day 1 voting for nobody in particular unless they can't undo a random bandwagon on one of their own. If that happens they'll probably end up bussing him.
My point here is that regardless of who ends up getting lynched today, even if they flip green, those that voted for that person doesn't necessarily include mafia.
Infact I see it as more the people that DON'T vote for me as more mafia as they know ill Flip green as so let town do their dirty work
On June 19 2011 17:46 freeloader625 wrote: Now lets assume we all vote to lynch Drazerk. At the very least he'll start posting frantically and we all gain something. This is what you wanted right? Yet you seems so fast to defend him. If he flips green we made the wrong choice but at least we have effectively increased our chance to lynch red by having a list of potential suspects based on voting patterns and bandwagon jumpers. WHY WOULD YOU NOT WANT THIS LIST? Why try so hard to prevent it before it even starts? That is of course unless you already know hes red and want to stop a red lynch before it goes further. You wanted people to talk early game for “information” by pressuring and now you try to shy town away from that very same tactic of pressure and play passive. I just don't get it. Only logic left is protecting buddy scum from getting any more pressure and before he scum slips.
This is bad reasoning. Mafia have no reason to go along with a voting bandwagon on day 1 unless by random circumstance one of their own get targeted, in which case they might drive a bandwagon against someone else. Notice how not a single mafia voted for freeloader day 1 in the last game? If anything mafia will do their best to lay low day 1 voting for nobody in particular unless they can't undo a random bandwagon on one of their own. If that happens they'll probably end up bussing him.
My point here is that regardless of who ends up getting lynched today, even if they flip green, those that voted for that person doesn't necessarily include mafia.
Infact I see it as more the people that DON'T vote for me as more mafia as they know ill Flip green as so let town do their dirty work
What really doesn't make sense to me is why you would choose to martyr yourself. That makes no sense to me whatsoever. Either you're an idiot who doesn't know how to read/count or there's something odd going on. I haven't figured out which.
People are going to lynch me for how much my posting habits change regardless I am now going to try and help you as much as possible as I know the situation you will be in after the lynch
Also im a idiot I have established this throughout this game
It doesn't look like Drazerk wants to martyr himself. I also think his defense is half decent. I actually would like to hear what gtrsrs has to say to the people voting for him. To me it looked like Pyo's first vote on Drazerk was to make the game a bit more livelier and I voted for Drazerk because he didn't respond for that. Right now I don't think that Drazerk is too scummy anymore. I will change my vote to gtrsrs, let's see who will defend him and what his defense is.
Well, it looks like supersoft hasn't come back yet. I'm taking my vote off him and onto gtrsrs. His plan to pile all our votes and waste them on a modkill, negating ANY possibility of getting a mafia today and effectively turning day 2 into another random lynch day 1 is the scummiest thing i've seen so far.
Gtrsrs' personality change from a fearless tunneling townie to a passive, uncommitted scum is not unnoticed by me. Gtrsrs: If you think Drazerk is the scummiest so far, then fucking vote for him. There is no 100% certainty on day 1. By lynching a modkill, the day 2 certainty for lynching a scum will be no closer to 100% then it is today.
Drazerk, smarten up. Playing Jesus is not going to help ANYONE.
I would like to draw attention to the fact that Alderan STILL hasn't posted anything other than, "Imma jump on da bandwagon broz."
He starts posts after an inactive list is put up, says this
Keep in mind guys we're less than 24 hours in, I mean, I just woke up. Just like last game (I think almost all of us were in), a list of people who are posting very generic fluff and not helping the town is much more helpful than an inactive list.
condemning the inactive list, then HOURS later comes in with this
Hoping Vatti comes and provides something useful.
##Vote: Lord Vatti
Until I see a case against someone else it's the only logical place for a vote.
He reeks of scum. Within 2 posts he contradicts himself a does a 180 on his position and then slides into the darkness. He's trying to pull exactly what Lafali pulled last game.
About the case with the voting patterns, they are bound to change since the game is much smaller this time.
On June 20 2011 00:05 CjrNinja wrote: Well, it looks like supersoft hasn't come back yet. I'm taking my vote off him and onto gtrsrs. His plan to pile all our votes and waste them on a modkill, negating ANY possibility of getting a mafia today and effectively turning day 2 into another random lynch day 1 is the scummiest thing i've seen so far.
Gtrsrs' personality change from a fearless tunneling townie to a passive, uncommitted scum is not unnoticed by me. Gtrsrs: If you think Drazerk is the scummiest so far, then fucking vote for him. There is no 100% certainty on day 1. By lynching a modkill, the day 2 certainty for lynching a scum will be no closer to 100% then it is today.
##Unvote: supersoft ##Vote: gtrsrs
haha, now I am back, so you may put your vote back on me if you wish.
I don't know what to say about gtrsrs... I agree with him, that we shouldn't randomlynch on day1 in general... mhh difficult situation. If we had a DT for sure, I'd also say, we better lynch a lurker/afkler... But since we cannot be sure about that... From another point of view: If he was mafia, he shouldn't be interested in lynching a person that's afk. Best case for them is, if we lynch one of us who is contributing. So I think this position of him to lynch someone who probably gets modkilled doesn't convince me. A more valid point is his passiveness...
On June 20 2011 00:05 CjrNinja wrote: Well, it looks like supersoft hasn't come back yet. I'm taking my vote off him and onto gtrsrs. His plan to pile all our votes and waste them on a modkill, negating ANY possibility of getting a mafia today and effectively turning day 2 into another random lynch day 1 is the scummiest thing i've seen so far.
Gtrsrs' personality change from a fearless tunneling townie to a passive, uncommitted scum is not unnoticed by me. Gtrsrs: If you think Drazerk is the scummiest so far, then fucking vote for him. There is no 100% certainty on day 1. By lynching a modkill, the day 2 certainty for lynching a scum will be no closer to 100% then it is today.
##Unvote: supersoft ##Vote: gtrsrs
haha, now I am back, so you may put your vote back on me if you wish.
I don't know what to say about gtrsrs... I agree with him, that we shouldn't randomlynch on day1 in general... mhh difficult situation. If we had a DT for sure, I'd also say, we better lynch a lurker/afkler... But since we cannot be sure about that... From another point of view: If he was mafia, he shouldn't be interested in lynching a person that's afk. Best case for them is, if we lynch one of us who is contributing. So I think this position of him to lynch someone who probably gets modkilled doesn't convince me. A more valid point is his passiveness...
How much time is left until nighttime?
Can you be more firm in your future posts? And since you came back what do you think of treadmill? Do you still think he's suspicious?
wait a second, I have to make some notes. pretty funny how strong your behavior changed from the last game when you were mafia :D Is this a mindgame or are you really townie this time?
On June 20 2011 00:35 supersoft wrote: wait a second, I have to make some notes. pretty funny how strong your behavior changed from the last game when you were mafia :D Is this a mindgame or are you really townie this time?
I learned from last game, and am trying a new style. It's a smaller game and it's much easier to press people here.
jesus christ i knew i would regret trying to play smart this game. note to self: when playing with rookies just tunnel someone. take your votes off me i'm not scum. it's father's day, look at who's starting the bandwagon and who's jumping on it on me, assuming that i don't have time to mount a defense. well surprise surprise queers, I DON'T HAVE A FATHER. anyways if the town wants blood that badly i'll go ahead and make a case for someone. again i don't have strong suspicions towards anyone but i won't let the town shoot itself in the foot and try to lose just before the voting deadline. zzzz brb winning the game for town
On June 19 2011 17:46 freeloader625 wrote: It's time for my contribution. I actually had written up posts last game but never had a chance to actually post them up. I even had a Day 1 full defensive post but by the time I finished writing the tides have changed and rookie bandwagon couldn't be stopped and no longer had any reason to post it. Man that last game was hectic.
take a look at this crock of shit. how come no one has called him out on this? hey last game i was actually getting my dick sucked by a fortune-telling gypsy, that's how i knew iGrok was mafia. and now that i've typed it it's true, no one can question me on it!
no, freeloader, you hadn't written up any big posts last game. you're a bad player piggybacking off good players. put down the keyboard son, we don't want to read your essay full of non-logic.
On June 19 2011 17:46 freeloader625 wrote: Early post of game gtrsrs attacks me based on no evidence at all. In fact as apprudds pointed out, his post reeks of oxymoron, his attack is, “your post doesn’t help” when in fact his post doesn’t help either. So aggressive, but I understand why you would do this. You want me to speak up and post more. This would be a pro town play.
actually no you *don't* understand. i wasn't even attacking you here. in fact, my little grain of sand, i was pushing aprudds to not be so wishywashy. look at page 7 of this topic. aprudds pressures Drazerk and then IMMEDIATELY says "oh ho ho no no i'm not suspicious of you!" a couple posts later he jumps on freeloader's nuts then IMMEDIATELY says "nah brah i ain't mad lololol"
DEFINITION of wishy-washy. my post was intended to get him to keep his pressure on. he claimed he'd attack anyone for anything to prevent a boring game? okay then don't back down (ironic in the end that it'd be me he keeps railing on :facepalm: )
On June 19 2011 17:46 freeloader625 wrote: Then his attitude changes from attacking to “no vote” passive play right when Drazerk picks up some serious heat with 3 votes and with "better evidence" than he had to attack me. Mighty scummy. Why wouldn't you wait to see his response? This play, gtrsrs makes a bunch of posts but at the end contradicts himself without seeming like it, therefore you just made your prior posts worthless. You seemed so out for blood earlier but now you don’t want any of it once drazerk is mentioned. You don't even wait for his defense. Why not? Weren't you pushing for all townies to speak up? Contradicting plays are usually what scum do, which in last game pushed the votes out and scored town the GF with a very close vote by one.
You try to justify your change to passive play, while trying to convince all townies to do the same. You claim to be not defending when actually defending and buying time. You first wanted to attack players for information, but now you try to say we should back off, cut our losses instead and be completely passive. Er what? So are you trying to get information out of players or are you trying to seem like you are trying to get information from players? Typical scum play is early on pushing hard to seem pro town and gain credit, but then later on try to convince players to instead to do the anti town play without town realizing it. In this case the the antitown play would be not voting potential scum drazerk to see his reaction and do nothing instead. He hasn't even posted anything yet!
i'm going to assume you're in second grade and they haven't taught you subtraction yet. let me set this up in a way that's easy to understand we have TWELVE (12) players this game. the 1 holds the ten's place, it doesn't mean 1 + 2. 10 + 2 = 12. when we subtract 1 from 12, we get 11. when we subtract 2 from 12 we get 10. when we subtract 3 from twelve we get 9. now, think back to the winning conditions of this game for mafia. when we lose enough townies, so that our town population equals that of mafia, we LOSE THE GAME. SO WHY THE FUCK WOULD WE WANT TO HASTE OURSELVES TO THAT POINT? you're claiming i'm mafia because i want to no-kill? YOU ARE RETARDED. MAFIA WANTS PEOPLE DEAD. if i was mafia i would explain why so-and-so are scum so we could lynch them with little-to-no-info. at the point i voted for lord vatti, we had NOTHING to go on. NOTHING.
take a look again at what we gain by RANDOM lynching on day 1 with a modkill on the block. 1) we lose a townie in Lord Vatti (12 - 1 = 11) 2) from a townie standpoint, assuming that you wouldn't vote for yourself, and you're not voting for Lord Vatti, you have a 3/10 or 30% chance to kill mafia on day 1. 30% chance to... what exactly? we don't reduce their KP by killing them. if there even IS a roleblocker we've only a 33% chance (10% overall) to hit him. so 10% to give our hypothetical blues a free reign? now look at the MUCH higher probability of lynching a townie. 70 FUCKING PERCENT OF GIVING THE MAFIA A FREE KILL. do numbers even REGISTER in your head? are you willing to lynch on a 30% guess?? on day 1 with our votes spread out the mafia *will not bus*. they can dilute the votes enough to keep their scumbuddy from dying. we will not get that lucky on day 1 unless we have a really solid case, which we didn't. ON TOP OF THAT, WE ALSO HAVE A CHANCE OF RANDOM LYNCHING A BLUE.
On June 19 2011 17:46 freeloader625 wrote: Yet you seems so fast to defend him. If he flips green we made the wrong choice but at least we have effectively increased our chance to lynch red by having a list of potential suspects based on voting patterns and bandwagon jumpers. WHY WOULD YOU NOT WANT THIS LIST?
no, didn't defend him. claimed he was my FoS. i also said that as soon as Lord Vatti showed up and contributed, i would be happy to give my reasons to lynch Drazerk. if we're all present, and minimal suspicion is all we have to go on, i'm happy to go on that. but when we have a free mafia kill lined up, i'm not going to risk 70% chance of hitting a townie on a fucking HUNCH.
i will make my case against Drazerk next if necessary but for now you WILL take your votes off me. scum is already bandwagoning onto me and losing me this early will be a dire mistake. in fact i will go so far as to say town will not win if i get lynched day 1. you are game-throwing if you vote for me.
while you morons pile your votes onto me, please at least take the time to read the rest of the thread.
here's a great example of mafia jumping onto a bandwagon started by a moron.
On June 20 2011 00:02 Xedat wrote: It doesn't look like Drazerk wants to martyr himself. I also think his defense is half decent. I actually would like to hear what gtrsrs has to say to the people voting for him. To me it looked like Pyo's first vote on Drazerk was to make the game a bit more livelier and I voted for Drazerk because he didn't respond for that. Right now I don't think that Drazerk is too scummy anymore. I will change my vote to gtrsrs, let's see who will defend him and what his defense is.
##unvote: Drazerk ##vote: gtrsrs
i bolded, underlined, and italicized the part to note, to make it easy for the second-graders amongst. us.
hey Xedat, what defense was it that Drazerk made, exactly? here's all his posts between your vote for Lord Vatti, and your changing vote to me. please clarify which part of these posts qualifies as a "defense"
On June 19 2011 22:11 Drazerk wrote: Right I know pretty much nothing i say will save me at this point So im going to say this
Don't trust Gtrsrs (yes i know your on my side kinda ) when i flip Green, Which I will he will claim he knew it and try to abuse that town cred for his own good later in the game
He's no where near as ruthless as the last game he's Either a power role trying to stay back or Scum
Also Alderan is still lurking so be careful
On June 19 2011 22:35 Drazerk wrote: If for what ever reason you decide not to kill me and waste a townie ...
On June 19 2011 17:46 freeloader625 wrote: Now lets assume we all vote to lynch Drazerk. At the very least he'll start posting frantically and we all gain something. This is what you wanted right? Yet you seems so fast to defend him. If he flips green we made the wrong choice but at least we have effectively increased our chance to lynch red by having a list of potential suspects based on voting patterns and bandwagon jumpers. WHY WOULD YOU NOT WANT THIS LIST? Why try so hard to prevent it before it even starts? That is of course unless you already know hes red and want to stop a red lynch before it goes further. You wanted people to talk early game for “information” by pressuring and now you try to shy town away from that very same tactic of pressure and play passive. I just don't get it. Only logic left is protecting buddy scum from getting any more pressure and before he scum slips.
This is bad reasoning. Mafia have no reason to go along with a voting bandwagon on day 1 unless by random circumstance one of their own get targeted, in which case they might drive a bandwagon against someone else. Notice how not a single mafia voted for freeloader day 1 in the last game? If anything mafia will do their best to lay low day 1 voting for nobody in particular unless they can't undo a random bandwagon on one of their own. If that happens they'll probably end up bussing him.
My point here is that regardless of who ends up getting lynched today, even if they flip green, those that voted for that person doesn't necessarily include mafia.
Infact I see it as more the people that DON'T vote for me as more mafia as they know ill Flip green as so let town do their dirty work
On June 19 2011 23:46 Drazerk wrote: People are going to lynch me for how much my posting habits change regardless I am now going to try and help you as much as possible as I know the situation you will be in after the lynch
Also im a idiot I have established this throughout this game
which part of that was his defense again? was it "I know pretty much nothing i say will save me at this point"? or was it "im a idiot"? maybe it was where he said "People are going to lynch me for how much my posting habits change regardless"? do these almost-english sentences register as a defense to anyone else?
no. you are scum jumping on a bandwagon.
On June 20 2011 00:02 Xedat wrote: It doesn't look like Drazerk wants to martyr himself. I also think his defense is half decent. I actually would like to hear what gtrsrs has to say to the people voting for him. To me it looked like Pyo's first vote on Drazerk was to make the game a bit more livelier and I voted for Drazerk because he didn't respond for that. Right now I don't think that Drazerk is too scummy anymore. I will change my vote to gtrsrs, let's see who will defend him and what his defense is.
##unvote: Drazerk ##vote: gtrsrs
really? because he's acting much scummier than before. i think he's pretty much solidified himself as scum at this point. but of course, as his scumbuddy you wouldn't see it that way. you think he's in the clear now that the bandwagon is hopping onto me. huge mistake broski, you just revealed yourself as well.
On June 19 2011 17:46 freeloader625 wrote: It's time for my contribution. I actually had written up posts last game but never had a chance to actually post them up. I even had a Day 1 full defensive post but by the time I finished writing the tides have changed and rookie bandwagon couldn't be stopped and no longer had any reason to post it. Man that last game was hectic.
take a look at this crock of shit. how come no one has called him out on this? hey last game i was actually getting my dick sucked by a fortune-telling gypsy, that's how i knew iGrok was mafia. and now that i've typed it it's true, no one can question me on it!
no, freeloader, you hadn't written up any big posts last game. you're a bad player piggybacking off good players. put down the keyboard son, we don't want to read your essay full of non-logic.
On June 19 2011 17:46 freeloader625 wrote: Early post of game gtrsrs attacks me based on no evidence at all. In fact as apprudds pointed out, his post reeks of oxymoron, his attack is, “your post doesn’t help” when in fact his post doesn’t help either. So aggressive, but I understand why you would do this. You want me to speak up and post more. This would be a pro town play.
actually no you *don't* understand. i wasn't even attacking you here. in fact, my little grain of sand, i was pushing aprudds to not be so wishywashy. look at page 7 of this topic. aprudds pressures Drazerk and then IMMEDIATELY says "oh ho ho no no i'm not suspicious of you!" a couple posts later he jumps on freeloader's nuts then IMMEDIATELY says "nah brah i ain't mad lololol"
DEFINITION of wishy-washy. my post was intended to get him to keep his pressure on. he claimed he'd attack anyone for anything to prevent a boring game? okay then don't back down (ironic in the end that it'd be me he keeps railing on :facepalm: )
On June 19 2011 17:46 freeloader625 wrote: Then his attitude changes from attacking to “no vote” passive play right when Drazerk picks up some serious heat with 3 votes and with "better evidence" than he had to attack me. Mighty scummy. Why wouldn't you wait to see his response? This play, gtrsrs makes a bunch of posts but at the end contradicts himself without seeming like it, therefore you just made your prior posts worthless. You seemed so out for blood earlier but now you don’t want any of it once drazerk is mentioned. You don't even wait for his defense. Why not? Weren't you pushing for all townies to speak up? Contradicting plays are usually what scum do, which in last game pushed the votes out and scored town the GF with a very close vote by one.
You try to justify your change to passive play, while trying to convince all townies to do the same. You claim to be not defending when actually defending and buying time. You first wanted to attack players for information, but now you try to say we should back off, cut our losses instead and be completely passive. Er what? So are you trying to get information out of players or are you trying to seem like you are trying to get information from players? Typical scum play is early on pushing hard to seem pro town and gain credit, but then later on try to convince players to instead to do the anti town play without town realizing it. In this case the the antitown play would be not voting potential scum drazerk to see his reaction and do nothing instead. He hasn't even posted anything yet!
i'm going to assume you're in second grade and they haven't taught you subtraction yet. let me set this up in a way that's easy to understand we have TWELVE (12) players this game. the 1 holds the ten's place, it doesn't mean 1 + 2. 10 + 2 = 12. when we subtract 1 from 12, we get 11. when we subtract 2 from 12 we get 10. when we subtract 3 from twelve we get 9. now, think back to the winning conditions of this game for mafia. when we lose enough townies, so that our town population equals that of mafia, we LOSE THE GAME. SO WHY THE FUCK WOULD WE WANT TO HASTE OURSELVES TO THAT POINT? you're claiming i'm mafia because i want to no-kill? YOU ARE RETARDED. MAFIA WANTS PEOPLE DEAD. if i was mafia i would explain why so-and-so are scum so we could lynch them with little-to-no-info. at the point i voted for lord vatti, we had NOTHING to go on. NOTHING.
take a look again at what we gain by RANDOM lynching on day 1 with a modkill on the block. 1) we lose a townie in Lord Vatti (12 - 1 = 11) 2) from a townie standpoint, assuming that you wouldn't vote for yourself, and you're not voting for Lord Vatti, you have a 3/10 or 30% chance to kill mafia on day 1. 30% chance to... what exactly? we don't reduce their KP by killing them. if there even IS a roleblocker we've only a 33% chance (10% overall) to hit him. so 10% to give our hypothetical blues a free reign? now look at the MUCH higher probability of lynching a townie. 70 FUCKING PERCENT OF GIVING THE MAFIA A FREE KILL. do numbers even REGISTER in your head? are you willing to lynch on a 30% guess?? on day 1 with our votes spread out the mafia *will not bus*. they can dilute the votes enough to keep their scumbuddy from dying. we will not get that lucky on day 1 unless we have a really solid case, which we didn't. ON TOP OF THAT, WE ALSO HAVE A CHANCE OF RANDOM LYNCHING A BLUE.
On June 19 2011 17:46 freeloader625 wrote: Yet you seems so fast to defend him. If he flips green we made the wrong choice but at least we have effectively increased our chance to lynch red by having a list of potential suspects based on voting patterns and bandwagon jumpers. WHY WOULD YOU NOT WANT THIS LIST?
no, didn't defend him. claimed he was my FoS. i also said that as soon as Lord Vatti showed up and contributed, i would be happy to give my reasons to lynch Drazerk. if we're all present, and minimal suspicion is all we have to go on, i'm happy to go on that. but when we have a free mafia kill lined up, i'm not going to risk 70% chance of hitting a townie on a fucking HUNCH.
i will make my case against Drazerk next if necessary but for now you WILL take your votes off me. scum is already bandwagoning onto me and losing me this early will be a dire mistake. in fact i will go so far as to say town will not win if i get lynched day 1. you are game-throwing if you vote for me.
Well, I have to take a page out of your book and say
LOL U MAD BRO? U SOUND BUTTHURT. LOLOLOLOLOL SO DEFENSIVE U MUST BE SCUM LAWLS>>>>>!>!>!>!>!>
This entire rage post makes you look like a fool. You still haven't made a case. How about you make your case and let people to decide who to vote for. You can't blame people for wanting to vote you when your suggesting 'we shouldn't lynch and wait for 100% confirmation.' HUGE contrast back to last game where you didn't have any problems tunneling the shit out of someone day one.
Don't you dare criticize me for being wishy washy when you don't even have the balls to accuse anyone of anything. You suggest we sit here herping and derping wasting a lynch and waiting for modkills.
Get off your high horse, swallow your bloody pride and give people an actual reason to not kill your sketchy ass other then "IM NOT SCUM AND IF YOU VOTE FOR ME YOU MUST BE SCUM."
On June 19 2011 22:11 Drazerk wrote: Right I know pretty much nothing i say will save me at this point So im going to say this
Don't trust Gtrsrs (yes i know your on my side kinda ) when i flip Green, Which I will he will claim he knew it and try to abuse that town cred for his own good later in the game
He's no where near as ruthless as the last game he's Either a power role trying to stay back or Scum
Also Alderan is still lurking so be careful
Are we letting this post slide?
Drazerk is in serious danger of getting lynched and this is his defense? I'm not ready to switch my vote just yet (obviously I will switch before a modkill, just sifting through the mindless drivel), as you just seem like a disinterested green but you have got to provide more than "well maybe grstrs is scummy, and maybe Alderan is scummy". That being said I'm looking for a response.
Give us some analysis on freeloader's grstrs post, for gods sake give us something to keep us from wasting a lynch on you if you are indeed town.
This is a general statement but please town do not go down without a fight if we are about to miss lynch. It happens every game a couple of times and it is one of the most frustrating things that can happen, aside from Mod Kills.
Happy Father's Day kids, I have some stuff with my dad this afternoon, should be back before the vote no problem though.
On June 20 2011 02:52 aprudds wrote: Don't you dare criticize me for being wishy washy when you don't even have the balls to accuse anyone of anything. You suggest we sit here herping and derping wasting a lynch and waiting for modkills.
i swear to god i got teleported back to the second grade why are you so stuck on this "wasting" a lynch thing i did the fucking math, please read my post at least
it's like you people have already forgotten that we had FORTY (40, four times ten, the four holds the ten's place) players last game. we could afford random lynches and shitty bandwagons in the beginning. we have TWELVE people this game. a lynch is worth FOUR LYNCHES from last game. would you have randomly lynched four days in a row last game if four townies got modkilled on day 1? i sure as shit hope not.
i'm not being more passive this game i'm being more conservative. there's a difference. we gain nothing by random lynching today. take your heads out of your asses and this fucking "wasted" lynch mindset. just use your imagination and pretend we had a huge case against Lord Vatti instead. pretend he's posted a lot and we're 100% convinced he's scum. now vote for him. now it's not a "wasted" lynch it's just a mislynch. is that better?
jesus i swear to god i'm going to shoot my dick off if i have to explain the math one more time
On June 19 2011 22:11 Drazerk wrote: Right I know pretty much nothing i say will save me at this point So im going to say this
Don't trust Gtrsrs (yes i know your on my side kinda ) when i flip Green, Which I will he will claim he knew it and try to abuse that town cred for his own good later in the game
He's no where near as ruthless as the last game he's Either a power role trying to stay back or Scum
Also Alderan is still lurking so be careful
Are we letting this post slide?
Drazerk is in serious danger of getting lynched and this is his defense? I'm not ready to switch my vote just yet (obviously I will switch before a modkill, just sifting through the mindless drivel), as you just seem like a disinterested green but you have got to provide more than "well maybe grstrs is scummy, and maybe Alderan is scummy". That being said I'm looking for a response.
Give us some analysis on freeloader's grstrs post, for gods sake give us something to keep us from wasting a lynch on you if you are indeed town.
This is a general statement but please town do not go down without a fight if we are about to miss lynch. It happens every game a couple of times and it is one of the most frustrating things that can happen, aside from Mod Kills.
Happy Father's Day kids, I have some stuff with my dad this afternoon, should be back before the vote no problem though.
At that point in the game i did not see me actually surviving the day so i wanted to give my suspicions before I died knowing the towns predicament after i died
Im no where near a useful player but ill keep the game going where i Can
As for you
You have been lurking most of the game
Your Two posts Countered One another out while you basically just bandwagoned a player who we was only voting to spark a reaction
can we get an updated votecount so the town can see how close they are to throwing the game already?
also sorry if i'm sounding too insulting when i say "you're a fucking moron" i mean "you're a rocket scientist, a gentleman, and a scholar, but your logic is fucking moronic" it's just easier to type the first one
On June 19 2011 22:11 Drazerk wrote: Right I know pretty much nothing i say will save me at this point So im going to say this
Don't trust Gtrsrs (yes i know your on my side kinda ) when i flip Green, Which I will he will claim he knew it and try to abuse that town cred for his own good later in the game
He's no where near as ruthless as the last game he's Either a power role trying to stay back or Scum
Also Alderan is still lurking so be careful
Are we letting this post slide?
Drazerk is in serious danger of getting lynched and this is his defense? I'm not ready to switch my vote just yet (obviously I will switch before a modkill, just sifting through the mindless drivel), as you just seem like a disinterested green but you have got to provide more than "well maybe grstrs is scummy, and maybe Alderan is scummy". That being said I'm looking for a response.
Give us some analysis on freeloader's grstrs post, for gods sake give us something to keep us from wasting a lynch on you if you are indeed town.
This is a general statement but please town do not go down without a fight if we are about to miss lynch. It happens every game a couple of times and it is one of the most frustrating things that can happen, aside from Mod Kills.
Happy Father's Day kids, I have some stuff with my dad this afternoon, should be back before the vote no problem though.
Also i just want to point out
Did you see my defense last game when people was suspicious of me ?
I pretty much did the same thing going " yeah yeah i know im acting scummy just vote for me "
2 hours and 40 minutes or so remain. gtrsrs leading the vote count with four votes. Lord Vatti and omgCRAZY are at risk of getting modkilled ;_;. If I miscounted/missed a vote please point it out.
i really hate to compromise my logic in order to save myself but it's imperative that i do so.
Alderan, aprudds since i know you've both been active recently, please change your votes to Drazerk. i'm decently sure that Drazerk, Xedat, and CjrNinja are our mafia, jumping on freeloader's bandwagon to take the pressure off Drazerk.
I will change my vote to Drazerk as well, which will put him in the lead. I'd much rather vote Lord Vatti but if it's me or Drazerk it's gotta be big D.
it's like you people have already forgotten that we had FORTY (40, four times ten, the four holds the ten's place) players last game. we could afford random lynches and shitty bandwagons in the beginning. we have TWELVE people this game. a lynch is worth FOUR LYNCHES from last game. would you have randomly lynched four days in a row last game if four townies got modkilled on day 1? i sure as shit hope not.
Hey math genius, probability does not work like that. Stop pretending like it does.
i'm not being more passive this game i'm being more conservative. there's a difference. we gain nothing by random lynching today. take your heads out of your asses and this fucking "wasted" lynch mindset. just use your imagination and pretend we had a huge case against Lord Vatti instead. pretend he's posted a lot and we're 100% convinced he's scum. now vote for him. now it's not a "wasted" lynch it's just a mislynch. is that better?
So your asking us to PRETEND that Lord Vatti is scum to make the vote easier for us? What kind of backwards logic is that.
You of last game would be tunneling the shit out of you this game. HEY LOOK LOL HES BEING SUPER DEFENSIVE HE MUST BE SCUM TROLOLOLOL.
this shit is getting out of control. I recommend to lynch Treadmill. this guy is completely useless + he proposed a really, really bad plan that included roleclaiming.
gtrsrs is innocent. Unbelievable. I reread the whole thread, and he's the only one that isn't suspicious to me.
I really don't trust aprudds. He is only agressively trying to be the townleader and control the action. But he doesn't lead us anywhere. He just jumps from target to target and accuses everyone, who posts something in here. Moreover is this guy smart enough to change his behavior without a reason - he doesn't need a new role for that.
On June 20 2011 03:04 aprudds wrote: Alderan Why the sudden change of heart? Can you answer my accusations?
Like I said, I had never intended on leaving my vote on Lord Vatti, I was placing it there so that he felt pressure not only to just fluff post, but also to make some good contributions.
Currently I am waiting on Drazerk to respond before I vote him, I think the case against him is better than anyone else atm and I have serious doubts about the gstrs bandwagon. If Drazerk provides some really solid analysis then I will have to rethink my position. Going to give him an hour or so though.
On June 20 2011 03:26 supersoft wrote: this shit is getting out of control. I recommend to lynch Treadmill. this guy is completely useless + he proposed a really, really bad plan that included roleclaiming.
gtrsrs is innocent. Unbelievable. I reread the whole thread, and he's the only one that isn't suspicious to me.
I really don't trust aprudds. He is only agressively trying to be the townleader and control the action. But he doesn't lead us anywhere. He just jumps from target to target and accuses everyone, who posts something in here. Moreover is this guy smart enough to change his behavior without a reason - he doesn't need a new role for that.
Really Gtrsrs is the ONLY person that isn't suspicious? You sir need to get your brain checked.
Lynch Treadmill? You must have some BRILLIANT reasoning for this.
Let's see....
A)He's useless B)He suggested a bad plan
Damn, with that reasoning we must all probably be scum. How can you judge usefulness on day one again?
Also if your suspicious of me why are you trying to lynch treadmill again? Because he's "useless"? So if we go by that logic we should ignore everyone suspicious and try and lynch everyone we think is "useless" right?
Can we please smarten up? If you really think I'm scum make an argument about it.
On June 20 2011 03:24 gtrsrs wrote: okay it's getting to be crunch time
i really hate to compromise my logic in order to save myself but it's imperative that i do so.
Alderan, aprudds since i know you've both been active recently, please change your votes to Drazerk. i'm decently sure that Drazerk, Xedat, and CjrNinja are our mafia, jumping on freeloader's bandwagon to take the pressure off Drazerk.
I will change my vote to Drazerk as well, which will put him in the lead. I'd much rather vote Lord Vatti but if it's me or Drazerk it's gotta be big D.
##vote: Drazerk
I said you was mafia for defending me so now you attack me as I guessed your game Plan?
quoting so it's on the new page, this is important
On June 20 2011 03:24 gtrsrs wrote: okay it's getting to be crunch time
i really hate to compromise my logic in order to save myself but it's imperative that i do so.
Alderan, aprudds since i know you've both been active recently, please change your votes to Drazerk. i'm decently sure that Drazerk, Xedat, and CjrNinja are our mafia, jumping on freeloader's bandwagon to take the pressure off Drazerk.
I will change my vote to Drazerk as well, which will put him in the lead. I'd much rather vote Lord Vatti but if it's me or Drazerk it's gotta be big D.
On June 20 2011 03:24 gtrsrs wrote: okay it's getting to be crunch time
i really hate to compromise my logic in order to save myself but it's imperative that i do so.
Alderan, aprudds since i know you've both been active recently, please change your votes to Drazerk. i'm decently sure that Drazerk, Xedat, and CjrNinja are our mafia, jumping on freeloader's bandwagon to take the pressure off Drazerk.
I will change my vote to Drazerk as well, which will put him in the lead. I'd much rather vote Lord Vatti but if it's me or Drazerk it's gotta be big D.
##vote: Drazerk
Apologizes but I don't share your confidence gtr. Your going to have to let me make my own judgment on this.
On June 20 2011 03:24 gtrsrs wrote: okay it's getting to be crunch time
i really hate to compromise my logic in order to save myself but it's imperative that i do so.
Alderan, aprudds since i know you've both been active recently, please change your votes to Drazerk. i'm decently sure that Drazerk, Xedat, and CjrNinja are our mafia, jumping on freeloader's bandwagon to take the pressure off Drazerk.
I will change my vote to Drazerk as well, which will put him in the lead. I'd much rather vote Lord Vatti but if it's me or Drazerk it's gotta be big D.
##vote: Drazerk
I said you was mafia for defending me so now you attack me as I guessed your game Plan?
On June 20 2011 03:24 gtrsrs wrote: okay it's getting to be crunch time
i really hate to compromise my logic in order to save myself but it's imperative that i do so.
Alderan, aprudds since i know you've both been active recently, please change your votes to Drazerk. i'm decently sure that Drazerk, Xedat, and CjrNinja are our mafia, jumping on freeloader's bandwagon to take the pressure off Drazerk.
I will change my vote to Drazerk as well, which will put him in the lead. I'd much rather vote Lord Vatti but if it's me or Drazerk it's gotta be big D.
##vote: Drazerk
I said you was mafia for defending me so now you attack me as I guessed your game Plan?
Jumping on the bandwagon yourself
Oh well when i flip green everyone will focus you
if you live through the day i will cry
I didn't see myself living through the day hours ago,
On June 20 2011 03:24 gtrsrs wrote: okay it's getting to be crunch time
i really hate to compromise my logic in order to save myself but it's imperative that i do so.
Alderan, aprudds since i know you've both been active recently, please change your votes to Drazerk. i'm decently sure that Drazerk, Xedat, and CjrNinja are our mafia, jumping on freeloader's bandwagon to take the pressure off Drazerk.
I will change my vote to Drazerk as well, which will put him in the lead. I'd much rather vote Lord Vatti but if it's me or Drazerk it's gotta be big D.
##vote: Drazerk
Apologizes but I don't share your confidence gtr. Your going to have to let me make my own judgment on this.
good idea, if you keep your vote on alderan you don't have to vote against your scum buddy Drazerk and my blood won't be on your hands either. pretty solid distancing strategy. it's funny that someone who has been hounding others to make a case and make a vote that matters has a single vote on someone that is 100% not going to be lynched
On June 20 2011 03:47 gtrsrs wrote: just like iGrok last game, as soon as i tell you that you're doing something scummy, you change it so as to not look so scummy
interesting
Keep talking away, it will be funny when you burn scum
On June 20 2011 03:26 supersoft wrote: this shit is getting out of control. I recommend to lynch Treadmill. this guy is completely useless + he proposed a really, really bad plan that included roleclaiming.
gtrsrs is innocent. Unbelievable. I reread the whole thread, and he's the only one that isn't suspicious to me.
I really don't trust aprudds. He is only agressively trying to be the townleader and control the action. But he doesn't lead us anywhere. He just jumps from target to target and accuses everyone, who posts something in here. Moreover is this guy smart enough to change his behavior without a reason - he doesn't need a new role for that.
Really Gtrsrs is the ONLY person that isn't suspicious? You sir need to get your brain checked.
Lynch Treadmill? You must have some BRILLIANT reasoning for this.
Let's see....
A)He's useless B)He suggested a bad plan
Damn, with that reasoning we must all probably be scum. How can you judge usefulness on day one again?
Also if your suspicious of me why are you trying to lynch treadmill again? Because he's "useless"? So if we go by that logic we should ignore everyone suspicious and try and lynch everyone we think is "useless" right?
Can we please smarten up? If you really think I'm scum make an argument about it.
I promise, that I'll set up an argument if gtrsrs flips green.
On June 20 2011 03:24 gtrsrs wrote: okay it's getting to be crunch time
i really hate to compromise my logic in order to save myself but it's imperative that i do so.
Alderan, aprudds since i know you've both been active recently, please change your votes to Drazerk. i'm decently sure that Drazerk, Xedat, and CjrNinja are our mafia, jumping on freeloader's bandwagon to take the pressure off Drazerk.
I will change my vote to Drazerk as well, which will put him in the lead. I'd much rather vote Lord Vatti but if it's me or Drazerk it's gotta be big D.
##vote: Drazerk
This is my way of saying gtrsrs needs to stop being an asshole, since my more subtle hints asking him to chill out haven't really gotten across.
##Unvote: Drazek ##Vote: gtrsrs
Also for the record, Drazek (seemingly unintentional) martyring is enough to convince me that we shouldn't lynch him... yet.
On June 20 2011 03:47 gtrsrs wrote: just like iGrok last game, as soon as i tell you that you're doing something scummy, you change it so as to not look so scummy
interesting
Keep talking away, it will be funny when you burn scum
you'll be able to fry an egg on your face from how embarrassed you'll be when i don't
okay well 6 votes on me is enough. i was going to wait til an hour before voting ended to do this but with lord vatti gone i will definitely lose this lynch if i don't act now
i am the town's medic. hopefully this should give you insight as to why i wanted to no-lynch today. i was hoping we'd have some outstanding townies show up that would make easy marks for the mafia, and i'd be able to protect one of them. it's kind of pathetic that you guys are forcing me to claim on day 1, your witch hunts are illogical and your inability to listen to reason is sad. in fact, for the sake of my blood pressure i'm glad i'll be dying tonight.
on the plus side, i think freeloader's bandwagon was enough to point out the likely mafia.
between these 4, i'm 100% sure that three are mafia: Drazerk Xedat Cjrninja aprudds
again i want to point out that i am claiming medic. i won't get a chance to use my powers since i will be dying tonight. but it is *imperative* that you lynch drazerk or xedat today instead of me. letting me die will put you at 9 townies tomorrow which is a HUGE set-back.
On June 20 2011 03:55 gtrsrs wrote: okay well 6 votes on me is enough. i was going to wait til an hour before voting ended to do this but with lord vatti gone i will definitely lose this lynch if i don't act now
i am the town's medic. hopefully this should give you insight as to why i wanted to no-lynch today. i was hoping we'd have some outstanding townies show up that would make easy marks for the mafia, and i'd be able to protect one of them. it's kind of pathetic that you guys are forcing me to claim on day 1, your witch hunts are illogical and your inability to listen to reason is sad. in fact, for the sake of my blood pressure i'm glad i'll be dying tonight.
on the plus side, i think freeloader's bandwagon was enough to point out the likely mafia.
between these 4, i'm 100% sure that three are mafia: Drazerk Xedat Cjrninja aprudds
again i want to point out that i am claiming medic. i won't get a chance to use my powers since i will be dying tonight. but it is *imperative* that you lynch drazerk or xedat today instead of me. letting me die will put you at 9 townies tomorrow which is a HUGE set-back.
And I'm goddamn batman. You have noone to blame but yourself if you get lynched for how goddamn stupid you've been acting.
On June 20 2011 03:55 gtrsrs wrote: again i want to point out that i am claiming medic. i won't get a chance to use my powers since i will be dying tonight. but it is *imperative* that you lynch drazerk or xedat today instead of me. letting me die will put you at 9 townies tomorrow which is a HUGE set-back.
sorry, 6* townies, 3 mafia. 9 villagers total.
also since some of you will be skeptical of my claim: last game i was willing to die to get iGrok lynched. this game my play has changed (you have incorrectly labelled it as "passive" when really it's just more "conservative") but what's key to note is that i am NOT going to martyr myself to get Drazerk lynched. if you lynch me today you are gamethrowing, i'm NOT a vanilla townie whose life is expendable to get the GF lynched. you MUST lynch mafia today
On June 20 2011 03:55 gtrsrs wrote: okay well 6 votes on me is enough. i was going to wait til an hour before voting ended to do this but with lord vatti gone i will definitely lose this lynch if i don't act now
i am the town's medic. hopefully this should give you insight as to why i wanted to no-lynch today. i was hoping we'd have some outstanding townies show up that would make easy marks for the mafia, and i'd be able to protect one of them. it's kind of pathetic that you guys are forcing me to claim on day 1, your witch hunts are illogical and your inability to listen to reason is sad. in fact, for the sake of my blood pressure i'm glad i'll be dying tonight.
on the plus side, i think freeloader's bandwagon was enough to point out the likely mafia.
between these 4, i'm 100% sure that three are mafia: Drazerk Xedat Cjrninja aprudds
again i want to point out that i am claiming medic. i won't get a chance to use my powers since i will be dying tonight. but it is *imperative* that you lynch drazerk or xedat today instead of me. letting me die will put you at 9 townies tomorrow which is a HUGE set-back.
While before all your posts I believed you was a power role i no longer see this being the case
If you are the medic we will be able to get a list of suspects regardless
On June 20 2011 03:55 gtrsrs wrote: again i want to point out that i am claiming medic. i won't get a chance to use my powers since i will be dying tonight. but it is *imperative* that you lynch drazerk or xedat today instead of me. letting me die will put you at 9 townies tomorrow which is a HUGE set-back.
sorry, 6* townies, 3 mafia. 9 villagers total.
also since some of you will be skeptical of my claim: last game i was willing to die to get iGrok lynched. this game my play has changed (you have incorrectly labelled it as "passive" when really it's just more "conservative") but what's key to note is that i am NOT going to martyr myself to get Drazerk lynched. if you lynch me today you are gamethrowing, i'm NOT a vanilla townie whose life is expendable to get the GF lynched. you MUST lynch mafia today
Hey Gtr you realize claiming did nothing for you right? Your going to die either way now instead of having a chance of surviving. There would literally be no reason for you to claim if you were medic. Now your 100% guaranteed death rather then a chance of death. If you really where as smart as you say you are you should have realized this and kept your mouth shut.
On June 20 2011 03:55 gtrsrs wrote: again i want to point out that i am claiming medic. i won't get a chance to use my powers since i will be dying tonight. but it is *imperative* that you lynch drazerk or xedat today instead of me. letting me die will put you at 9 townies tomorrow which is a HUGE set-back.
sorry, 6* townies, 3 mafia. 9 villagers total.
also since some of you will be skeptical of my claim: last game i was willing to die to get iGrok lynched. this game my play has changed (you have incorrectly labelled it as "passive" when really it's just more "conservative") but what's key to note is that i am NOT going to martyr myself to get Drazerk lynched. if you lynch me today you are gamethrowing, i'm NOT a vanilla townie whose life is expendable to get the GF lynched. you MUST lynch mafia today
You claim you was expendable the last game?
Well so was i and i was doing the exact same thing as i am now
there won't be any counterclaims... If you're mafia, why should the real medic/DT counterclaim and give away his role, only to reinforce your lynch... That would be stupid pretty stupid... And if you are the real Medic and there isn't another powerrole, no one will counterclaim either. What's the votecount so far?
On June 20 2011 04:10 supersoft wrote: there won't be any counterclaims... If you're mafia, why should the real medic/DT counterclaim and give away his role, only to reinforce your lynch... That would be stupid pretty stupid... And if you are the real Medic and there isn't another powerrole, no one will counterclaim either. What's the votecount so far?
On June 20 2011 04:10 supersoft wrote: there won't be any counterclaims... If you're mafia, why should the real medic/DT counterclaim and give away his role, only to reinforce your lynch... That would be stupid pretty stupid... And if you are the real Medic and there isn't another powerrole, no one will counterclaim either. What's the votecount so far?
Are the 4 setups. Now you are claiming we are in setup 1 or 3.
Now let's say we are in setup 3 for simplicity sake.
Case 1: Your Town
This claim saves your skin day 1 and you gets killed night 1. You martyr yourself.
Case 2: Your Medic
This claim saves your skin day 1 and gets you killed night 1. You still die.
Case 3: Your scum
This claim saves your skin day 1 and lets you become a confirmed townie. You will try and flush out any other blue role that counter claims so you can kill them.
Hey guess what? There is only one scenario that claiming is optimal and that's if your scum.
If you were really blue you turned a 99% chance of death into a 100% chance of death. Real smart.
The ONLY alternative way I could see this being a optimal move is if your vanilla town assuming its setup 1 or 3 and attempting to draw mafia fire at night while you hope the medic tries to save you. But that's wayyyyy too many layers of WIFOM for it to be a credible defense.
On June 20 2011 04:13 gtrsrs wrote: there's 6 on me 3 mafia 3 townies the three townies need to switch votes to drazerk
You keep saying that yet the only thing you have against me is my own idioticy and me changing my vote to you when I decided to Martyr
Im fine with me dying as i know you would die the day after where if you was medic you would not take that risk
i'm starting to think that you're town, which scares me between someone claiming town and someone claiming medic i don't see why you'd lynch the medic
if you don't lynch me today, mafia will obviously kill me tonight. i die either way. if for some reason, they choose to keep me alive because of how suspicious i look, then i have a chance to save someone tonight. it's lose-lose to lynch me and if this is not obvious, then i don't know what to say
Pyo I see that you voted gtrsrs for his behaviour. Is there any other reasons? Just wondering because aprudds behaviour is the same or worse to me and I believe gtrsrs HAS given good defense littered in with the garbage.
Can we get a vote count! I will be voting to save gtrsrs today as I think he is town(or medic as he claims) and aprudds is just being ridiculous in his attempts to keep pressure on him.
I think the case on Drazerk is not amazing but better than gtrsrs'. In an ideal situation I would like to vote for a lynch on aprudds. If enough people support this please vote for him.
##Vote: aprudds
Note: If enough people do not vote for apprudds before the deadline I will be switching my vote to Drazerk.
anyways we're running out of time here i think town will not see the light if there is a detective i highly recommend checking on Cjrninja instead of Xedat, aprudds, or Drazerk. i think when i flip medic it will be obvious that 2 of those 3 are mafia, and then it's just a question if the third is mafia or if cjrninja is the scum.
also, don't listen to the bullshit that Drazerk and aprudds and xedat will likely spew. it will sound like this "he was playing so badly we had no choice but to lynch him yada yada yada"
no. that's not how this game works. you don't lynch contributing players. you lynch lurkers. aprudds and Drazerk have spammed up the thread to bury my defenses of myself. they are taking over the game and not letting town think for themselves. i feel sorry for you guys if there's no detective.
good luck y'all. i would point out who i think would be the viable town leader to listen to but i know whoever i point out will get killed tonight and i can't even protect them sorry. i would say i made a mistake this game but i honestly think my death is on freeloader's hands. mafia of course is going to rally onto someone else to take votes off their mafia. of course they're going to jump like vultures onto an easy kill. like i said earlier (which has been conveniently covered up by aprudds and drazerk spam), the fact that i wanted to go for Lord Vatti should have been enough to convince you i am town. my claim should have been unnecessary
you're all geniuses, true gentlemen, and undoubtedly stallions in bed. that being said, your logic is a bit, just a TINY bit lacking. good day
no. that's not how this game works. you don't lynch contributing players. you lynch lurkers. aprudds and Drazerk have spammed up the thread to bury my defenses of myself. they are taking over the game and not letting town think for themselves. i feel sorry for you guys if there's no detective.
On June 20 2011 04:31 gtrsrs wrote: anyways we're running out of time here i think town will not see the light if there is a detective i highly recommend checking on Cjrninja instead of Xedat, aprudds, or Drazerk. i think when i flip medic it will be obvious that 2 of those 3 are mafia, and then it's just a question if the third is mafia or if cjrninja is the scum.
also, don't listen to the bullshit that Drazerk and aprudds and xedat will likely spew. it will sound like this "he was playing so badly we had no choice but to lynch him yada yada yada"
no. that's not how this game works. you don't lynch contributing players. you lynch lurkers. aprudds and Drazerk have spammed up the thread to bury my defenses of myself. they are taking over the game and not letting town think for themselves. i feel sorry for you guys if there's no detective.
good luck y'all. i would point out who i think would be the viable town leader to listen to but i know whoever i point out will get killed tonight and i can't even protect them sorry. i would say i made a mistake this game but i honestly think my death is on freeloader's hands. mafia of course is going to rally onto someone else to take votes off their mafia. of course they're going to jump like vultures onto an easy kill. like i said earlier (which has been conveniently covered up by aprudds and drazerk spam), the fact that i wanted to go for Lord Vatti should have been enough to convince you i am town. my claim should have been unnecessary
you're all geniuses, true gentlemen, and undoubtedly stallions in bed. that being said, your logic is a bit, just a TINY bit lacking. good day
When all else fails
Steal the other guys idea of martyring
And didn't we adress the fact that lynching a mod kill only helps mafia?
On June 20 2011 04:30 omgCRAZY wrote: Pyo I see that you voted gtrsrs for his behaviour. Is there any other reasons? Just wondering because aprudds behaviour is the same or worse to me and I believe gtrsrs HAS given good defense littered in with the garbage.
Can we get a vote count! I will be voting to save gtrsrs today as I think he is town(or medic as he claims) and aprudds is just being ridiculous in his attempts to keep pressure on him.
I think the case on Drazerk is not amazing but better than gtrsrs'. In an ideal situation I would like to vote for a lynch on aprudds. If enough people support this please vote for him.
##Vote: aprudds
Note: If enough people do not vote for apprudds before the deadline I will be switching my vote to Drazerk.
oho? I'm scum because I'm keeping pressure on who I think is scum? If you disagree make a better argument. I have yet to see a good analysis of me.
We still have 1 hour and 25 minutes. I urge people to vote for aprudds. I believe he is scum and if not, at the very least take the time to look back at gtrsrs' defense. It is solid, and he DOES backup his arguments with solid reasoning. There is no reason to lynch him today.
On June 20 2011 04:37 omgCRAZY wrote: We still have 1 hour and 25 minutes. I urge people to vote for aprudds. I believe he is scum and if not, at the very least take the time to look back at gtrsrs' defense. It is solid, and he DOES backup his arguments with solid reasoning. There is no reason to lynch him today.
no. that's not how this game works. you don't lynch contributing players. you lynch lurkers. aprudds and Drazerk have spammed up the thread to bury my defenses of myself. they are taking over the game and not letting town think for themselves. i feel sorry for you guys if there's no detective.
Damn I guess iGrok was a lurker last game.
i don't really get what you're trying to accomplish here if you ARE a townie, spamming 1 liners and accusing someone claiming medic is not going to help you win. in fact, as i've said before, if you're a townie and voting for me you are intentionally losing, you are gamethrowing. i know there is decent suspicion of me at this point, and you want to keep the pressure up, but the fact that you won't even look at this from the point of view that i COULD be medic just shows that you don't care about winning.
if you are MAFIA, then your accusations are only drawing attention to yourself. when i flip medic you're going to look really stupid and you will be a prime lynch/DT candidate. you played much more conservatively last game, so either you're a bored townie trying to be the hero, or you rolled mafia twice and you figured you better change your playstyle to "look" differently.
either way you're drawing so much attention onto yourself that i can't help but think either you're a much worse player than we thought you were from your stellar performance last game, or you're gamethrowing. that's literally all i can think of
On June 18 2011 06:13 Treadmill wrote: Well, I'm gonna start by tossing out something that should be fairly obvious. If we have a DT, they should claim as soon as they hit a red. With only 3 mafia members, getting rid of a single one would be fantastic, and drop their KP right away. Obviously they shouldn't claim if they only hit a townie (though they maybe should claim to stop a mislynch? No so sure about this).
I think we can safely ignore the possibility of the set-up being the roleblocker, 2 goons, 9 townies, because that would be stupid.
disagree at all points
since we potentially have a roleblocker (who i might accidentally call a "hooker" as habit from epicmafia, just a heads up), the mafia doesn't actually need to kill a power role to nullify it. they can hook it all game and go after other townies since a confirmed DT that can't provide reports is worse than the possibility that there's a DT out there somewhere.
a DT should only *definitely* claim if he's got a guilty when there are TWO mafia left. there are no millers in any set-up so his reports will be 100% accurate, and narrowing us down to 1 mafia from 2 (especially if that means a 50% chance at hitting a roleblocker if there is one) is better than sacrificing his power to get a single goon. IMO.
also i don't think it's safe to ignore any set-ups as possibilities. while it would certainly make for a less "fun" game, there's strategic merit in every set-up including the almost all-'nilla set-up. just "assuming" we have blue roles would benefit the mafia, as we may wait for a medic save or detective report that never comes
for reference on this page, these are the possible set-ups: 1 Mafia Role Blocker, 2 Mafia Goons, 7 Town, 1 Medic, 1 Detective 1 Mafia Role Blocker, 2 Mafia Goons, 9 Town 3 Mafia Goons, 1 Medic, 8 Town. 3 Mafia Goons, 1 Detective,8 Town.
For example this first post. This post makes perfect sense if he is the medic. He only talks about the setup with a roleblocker, because if there is a DT, there's also a roleblocker. ARGH! guys!!! This roleclaiming was pretty stupid... But not nearly as stupid as this OUT OF CONTROL accuses by aprudds! If you are town, then you are the reason for us losing this game! Now mafia has every information about the setup they require to fool us completely...
i'm the medic. i had to claim in a last-ditch effort to not get the town to lynch a townie today. i would have much preferred no lynch so we could cut our losses, but i think the mafia have revealed themselves and a vote on Drazerk, xedat, or aprudds would be a good choice. either way, it's urgent to get the votes off me so that if i do not get targeted tonight by the mafia for WIFOM purposes, i have a chance at a random save
no. that's not how this game works. you don't lynch contributing players. you lynch lurkers. aprudds and Drazerk have spammed up the thread to bury my defenses of myself. they are taking over the game and not letting town think for themselves. i feel sorry for you guys if there's no detective.
Damn I guess iGrok was a lurker last game.
i don't really get what you're trying to accomplish here if you ARE a townie, spamming 1 liners and accusing someone claiming medic is not going to help you win. in fact, as i've said before, if you're a townie and voting for me you are intentionally losing, you are gamethrowing. i know there is decent suspicion of me at this point, and you want to keep the pressure up, but the fact that you won't even look at this from the point of view that i COULD be medic just shows that you don't care about winning.
if you are MAFIA, then your accusations are only drawing attention to yourself. when i flip medic you're going to look really stupid and you will be a prime lynch/DT candidate. you played much more conservatively last game, so either you're a bored townie trying to be the hero, or you rolled mafia twice and you figured you better change your playstyle to "look" differently.
either way you're drawing so much attention onto yourself that i can't help but think either you're a much worse player than we thought you were from your stellar performance last game, or you're gamethrowing. that's literally all i can think of
I'm attempting your style of playing this round. How do you like tunneling? It's always good to try out different play styles to see which one matches especially since this is only my second forum mafia.
I'm also poking holes in your logic. Claiming medic is NOT OPTIMAL if you were medic. Think of it as a compliment gtr, I trust you were smart enough to see that claiming medic would not be optimal if you were medic.
What I don't understand that is that if gtrsrs is claiming medic why does he keep asking for DT checks when there is only a 50-50 chance of there actually being a DT
Surely by him being a medic he knows that the chance of a DT is unlikely
no. that's not how this game works. you don't lynch contributing players. you lynch lurkers. aprudds and Drazerk have spammed up the thread to bury my defenses of myself. they are taking over the game and not letting town think for themselves. i feel sorry for you guys if there's no detective.
Damn I guess iGrok was a lurker last game.
i don't really get what you're trying to accomplish here if you ARE a townie, spamming 1 liners and accusing someone claiming medic is not going to help you win. in fact, as i've said before, if you're a townie and voting for me you are intentionally losing, you are gamethrowing. i know there is decent suspicion of me at this point, and you want to keep the pressure up, but the fact that you won't even look at this from the point of view that i COULD be medic just shows that you don't care about winning.
if you are MAFIA, then your accusations are only drawing attention to yourself. when i flip medic you're going to look really stupid and you will be a prime lynch/DT candidate. you played much more conservatively last game, so either you're a bored townie trying to be the hero, or you rolled mafia twice and you figured you better change your playstyle to "look" differently.
either way you're drawing so much attention onto yourself that i can't help but think either you're a much worse player than we thought you were from your stellar performance last game, or you're gamethrowing. that's literally all i can think of
I'm attempting your style of playing this round. How do you like tunneling? It's always good to try out different play styles to see which one matches especially since this is only my second forum mafia.
I'm also poking holes in your logic. Claiming medic is NOT OPTIMAL if you were medic. Think of it as a compliment gtr, I trust you were smart enough to see that claiming medic would not be optimal if you were medic.
yeah, i can see that, you wanna be guitarasaurus jr.
look at the differences between me and iGrok though. he rage-quit when we singled him out. i'm claiming a role and trying to defend myself. i'm CLEARLY THE MEDIC.
how is me claiming not optimal? somehow a lynchwagon got started on me overnight by freeloader and the mafia jumped on it. i tried my best to not claim. i posted a bunch of posts saying why voting for lord vatti would be a bad idea and you and drazerk covered them up in spam. i didn't claim until i had 6 votes. with Lord Vatti afk, 6 votes is the majority. i was FORCED to claim. it was obvious that no matter what i said, you'd bury it in one-liners and prevent people from reading my arguments
1 hours and 4 minutes or so remain. gtrsrs leading the vote count with seven votes. Lord Vatti is at risk of getting modkilled ;_;. If I miscounted/missed a vote please point it out.
1 hours and 4 minutes or so remain. gtrsrs leading the vote count with six votes. Lord Vatti is at risk of getting modkilled ;_;. If I miscounted/missed a vote please point it out.
On June 20 2011 04:49 Drazerk wrote: What I don't understand that is that if gtrsrs is claiming medic why does he keep asking for DT checks when there is only a 50-50 chance of there actually being a DT
Surely by him being a medic he knows that the chance of a DT is unlikely
What?
If hes a medic he knows the chances of a DT are 50/50, if hes not a medic the chances are still 50/50.
Still no post in response to those that have voted for you while posting nothing but confusing/meaningless posts.
I think gstrs is actually the medic. I think it's a terrible play, but it is the only explanation for his rash outbursts earlier when he was getting voted originally. We'll know tonight anyway, the way I see it he'll either die or he's maf. ##unvote: Lord Vatti ##vote: Drazerk
no. that's not how this game works. you don't lynch contributing players. you lynch lurkers. aprudds and Drazerk have spammed up the thread to bury my defenses of myself. they are taking over the game and not letting town think for themselves. i feel sorry for you guys if there's no detective.
Damn I guess iGrok was a lurker last game.
i don't really get what you're trying to accomplish here if you ARE a townie, spamming 1 liners and accusing someone claiming medic is not going to help you win. in fact, as i've said before, if you're a townie and voting for me you are intentionally losing, you are gamethrowing. i know there is decent suspicion of me at this point, and you want to keep the pressure up, but the fact that you won't even look at this from the point of view that i COULD be medic just shows that you don't care about winning.
if you are MAFIA, then your accusations are only drawing attention to yourself. when i flip medic you're going to look really stupid and you will be a prime lynch/DT candidate. you played much more conservatively last game, so either you're a bored townie trying to be the hero, or you rolled mafia twice and you figured you better change your playstyle to "look" differently.
either way you're drawing so much attention onto yourself that i can't help but think either you're a much worse player than we thought you were from your stellar performance last game, or you're gamethrowing. that's literally all i can think of
I'm attempting your style of playing this round. How do you like tunneling? It's always good to try out different play styles to see which one matches especially since this is only my second forum mafia.
I'm also poking holes in your logic. Claiming medic is NOT OPTIMAL if you were medic. Think of it as a compliment gtr, I trust you were smart enough to see that claiming medic would not be optimal if you were medic.
yeah, i can see that, you wanna be guitarasaurus jr.
look at the differences between me and iGrok though. he rage-quit when we singled him out. i'm claiming a role and trying to defend myself. i'm CLEARLY THE MEDIC.
how is me claiming not optimal? somehow a lynchwagon got started on me overnight by freeloader and the mafia jumped on it. i tried my best to not claim. i posted a bunch of posts saying why voting for lord vatti would be a bad idea and you and drazerk covered them up in spam. i didn't claim until i had 6 votes. with Lord Vatti afk, 6 votes is the majority. i was FORCED to claim. it was obvious that no matter what i said, you'd bury it in one-liners and prevent people from reading my arguments
No I don't see any substantial evidence that your the medic. I posted before why claiming is NOT optimal. I'm sure you've seen it and read it.
Xedat, Drazerk, and aprudds will not change their votes (the first two because they are definitely scum, and the third because he wants to be like daddy.
freeloader might show up at the last second like he usually does, but my hopes aren't high. even if he does show up i doubt he'll see the error in his ways, or have time to muck through all the drazerk/aprudds spam to see the reason.
so that's 4 votes on me for sure.
Pyo, Treadmill, i think you're both reasonable. i want you to re-evaluate your votes. re-read my defenses and my attempts to lead us in the right direction SEVERAL times throughout the thread. decide if it's really worth it to lynch someone who's intelligent and analytical AND HAS CLAIMED MEDIC or if you'd rather keep Mr. I'm a self-proclaimed idiot drazerk and Mr. I have a hard time with simple grammatical rules aprudds.
cjrninja changing his vote is contingent on if he's mafia or not. if he's mafia he's got no reason to change his vote. if he's town, he should at least consider it, and through his considerations he should see that i am the wrong vote. if he's mafia there's 5 votes on me for sure.
alderan i have no fear will see the light and not vote against me.
so, the game is on Pyo and Treadmill (and potentially cjrninja if he's town). are you guys gonna change your votes?
looks like the new bandwagon is off Drazerk for some reason and onto aprudds, but i gotta do what i can to stay alive :s
Working out the Game type helps blues but not the town while reds already have a 50/50 guess on the type and if they work out there is for example a medic in play they know the game type and can use it against us.
Alright since you asked for it I'll start with you.
Let's break this post down shall we?
Statement 1: Finding this information helps blues.
Statement 2: Finding this information does not help town.
Statement 3: Red's have a 50/50 guess on the game.
Wow seriously man, step it up. Think things through. You should be able to see the conclusions people can come to when they look at these statements and connect the dots.
Especially when they combine it with this.
but I agree in that we should stop this discussion and get onto analysing people
Can I pull a Freeloader here and Chalk it up to being a idiot / Inexperienced?
and statement two was more the fact of it may not help towns initially but helps Detectives be a bit more open without claiming knowing they have a medic as back up ( depending on set up ofc ) helping town later in the game.
Notice how I didn't accuse you? Play smarter. Think about what you want to say. Don't be a kurumi and barf out your random thoughts onto the page and hope it makes sense.
Here aprudds is putting pressure on Drazerk for statement regarding determining the game type. Nothing too scummy about this but I do not like the fact the he pressures people with no real accusations.
On June 18 2011 09:31 aprudds wrote: Notice how I didn't accuse you? Play smarter. Think about what you want to say. Don't be a kurumi and barf out your random thoughts onto the page and hope it makes sense.
Oh damn son he just called you a, "kurumi."
On June 18 2011 09:28 Drazerk wrote:
Can I pull a Freeloader here and Chalk it up to being a idiot / Inexperienced?
Wait, oh you didn't just go there!
Hey Freeloader you intend of contributing this round instead of making random comments all game long?
Here he tries to put the pressure on Freeloader and wants him to contribute. Fair enough. Though now YOU are starting to act like Kurumi and just yell and scream at whoever is available.
On June 18 2011 11:48 gtrsrs wrote: aprudds is out for blood don't back down bro
i'm gonna go ahead and piggyback off that freeloader you got your free pass last game you freeloader. you know well enough by now that posts like this \/
On June 18 2011 10:35 freeloader625 wrote:
On June 18 2011 10:16 aprudds wrote: Hey Freeloader you intend of contributing this round instead of making random comments all game long?
You sound angry. Was it because you failed to lynch me last game? :D
Seriously though, I'll contribute more this game. Pinky swear!
accomplish nothing. so instead of posting this, why don't you make an analysis or contribute in some way
That's not fair gtr. What exactly is there analyze exactly? What has this contributed? Take some initiative as well and listen to your own advice. Unless your scum, then you can go burn and die.
Actually gets a little defensive when gtrsrs calls HIM out for not contributing/analyzing and his defense is "What exactly is there to analyze...". So you are pressuring people who are not contributing/analyzing but your defense when someone FoS you for the same is there is nothing to analyze... k.
On June 18 2011 19:10 Xedat wrote: Generic post not to be modkilled.....
To say one last word to the setup discussion, I think blues should only claim when they are being lynched or if they think outing themselves will help town.
Now, as we need to pressure someone, Drazerk, why do you bring the focus away from freeloader immediately and try to incriminate 3 people who haven't posted hours after the game started. Trying to protect your scumbuddy?
On June 18 2011 19:10 Xedat wrote: Generic post not to be modkilled.....
To say one last word to the setup discussion, I think blues should only claim when they are being lynched or if they think outing themselves will help town.
Now, as we need to pressure someone, Drazerk, why do you bring the focus away from freeloader immediately and try to incriminate 3 people who haven't posted hours after the game started. Trying to protect your scumbuddy?
Focusing on freeloader?
What was we focusing on he made one worthless post which was more than the three I had listed had done who had more than enough time to post something by the time I posted the list.
If I had not pointed the three out they will continue to lurk which is just bad all round
On June 18 2011 19:36 Xedat wrote: Aha, why so defensive. Scared to be lynched? Maybe they didn't lurk but simply did not read the thread until now.
On June 18 2011 19:36 Xedat wrote: Aha, why so defensive. Scared to be lynched? Maybe they didn't lurk but simply did not read the thread until now.
At which point we still need their input when they do read it
We had no discussion going on and I pointed out lurkers to which your jumping down my throat, Defending the lurkers?
On June 18 2011 19:36 Xedat wrote: Aha, why so defensive. Scared to be lynched? Maybe they didn't lurk but simply did not read the thread until now.
Xedat puts pressure on Drazerk for taking pressure off Freeloader... go back and read that part. There was no pressure on Freeloader. This seems like a poor try to get people to focus on Drazerk for the wrong reasons.
On June 19 2011 06:30 aprudds wrote: Hey Drazerk, inactives will get modkilled. I'm sure you learned that from last game. You also seem a bit too eager to change focus from freeloader.
You are the one who had put the pressure on Freeloader. You also just wanted him to post more. You weren't actually focusing on him you just wanted people to contribute which is the same thing Drazerk is doing (just in a different way).
On June 19 2011 09:50 aprudds wrote: The point Drazerk is that inactives will get modkilled. Trying to completely shift focus onto inactives who might not even respond is not productive or pro town.
##Vote: Drazerk
The voting for Drazerk (started by Treadmill) has begun and with a VERY poor argument.
I am just posting this now because we are running out of time.
EBWODP: aprudds subsequent posts change the pressure wholly onto gtrsrs while changing his vote from Drazerk for more poor reasons. (Doesn't want to actually lynch his buddy)
EBWODP: aprudds subsequent posts change the pressure wholly onto gtrsrs while changing his vote from Drazerk for more poor reasons. (Doesn't want to actually lynch his buddy)
On June 20 2011 05:12 omgCRAZY wrote: LOL Drazerk is so confusing. I think he may be town. Which convinces me more that aprudds is scum.
ugh this is pathetic i can't tell who's being really good mafia and who's being really really shitty town either way, mafia has no reason to take their votes off of me. which means that drazerk might not be mafia. but he's also a very bad player. he might just be making a good play assuming that aprudds will keep his vote on me at this point. this might be a fake bus because he thinks i'll still die.
this makes me think aprudds is not mafia however, and drazerk wants to confuse us all
FUCK
I REALLY WISH EVERYONE WOULD JUST VOTE LORD VATTI. THERE'S TOO MUCH OF A TIME CRUNCH AT THIS POINT. WE CAN'T RISK KILLING A TOWNIE TODAY ESPECIALLY SINCE I'VE CLAIMED. FUCK. TOWN IS SO FUCKING BAD.
aprudds i URGE you to change your vote off me. if i'm the medic the mafia will kill me tonight anyways. if they don't, i have a chance to save someone. i'm quite convinced you're town now based on drazerk's voteswing and i think you can redeem yourself, please take your votes off me.
On June 20 2011 05:16 gtrsrs wrote: aprudds i URGE you to change your vote off me. if i'm the medic the mafia will kill me tonight anyways. if they don't, i have a chance to save someone. i'm quite convinced you're town now based on drazerk's voteswing and i think you can redeem yourself, please take your votes off me.
I think your scum man. Like you said, you're a smart analytical guy, and if that's true there was no point for you to claim. If I think someone is competent I have to look at them like a unforgiving machine and that unforgiving machine part of me is telling me that claiming day 1 like that will only benefit scum.
On June 20 2011 05:00 Drazerk wrote: ##Unvote: gtrsrs ##Vote: aprudds
Ill explain after the Idra - MC game but I urge everyone to follow suit
THERE'S NO TIME, EXPLAIN NOW
we need votes off of me and we need input NOW now is NOT the time to afk. we need some discussion. is drazerk the mafia bussing, or did he have a revelation that he thinks aprudds is mafia. at least one of them is mafia likely both but at least one. we need to make the right call NOW
get your votes off me and let's get some discussion PLEASE
On June 20 2011 05:16 gtrsrs wrote: aprudds i URGE you to change your vote off me. if i'm the medic the mafia will kill me tonight anyways. if they don't, i have a chance to save someone. i'm quite convinced you're town now based on drazerk's voteswing and i think you can redeem yourself, please take your votes off me.
I think your scum man. Like you said, you're a smart analytical guy, and if that's true there was no point for you to claim. If I think someone is competent I have to look at them like a unforgiving machine and that unforgiving machine part of me is telling me that claiming day 1 like that will only benefit scum.
YOU FUCKING SCHOLAR, YOU FUCKING GENTLEMAN, I HAVE EXPLAINED MULTIPLE TIMES THAT I CLAIMED BECAUSE THERE WERE 6 OUT OF 11 VOTES ON ME; EVEN AFTER I TRIED TO PULL VOTES OFF MYSELF WITHOUT CLAIMING, I ONLY NETTED 2 MORE VOTES ON MYSELF. STOP SPAMMING AND TAKE YOUR VOTE OFF ME
On June 20 2011 05:16 gtrsrs wrote: aprudds i URGE you to change your vote off me. if i'm the medic the mafia will kill me tonight anyways. if they don't, i have a chance to save someone. i'm quite convinced you're town now based on drazerk's voteswing and i think you can redeem yourself, please take your votes off me.
I think your scum man. Like you said, you're a smart analytical guy, and if that's true there was no point for you to claim. If I think someone is competent I have to look at them like a unforgiving machine and that unforgiving machine part of me is telling me that claiming day 1 like that will only benefit scum.
YOU FUCKING SCHOLAR, YOU FUCKING GENTLEMAN, I HAVE EXPLAINED MULTIPLE TIMES THAT I CLAIMED BECAUSE THERE WERE 6 OUT OF 11 VOTES ON ME; EVEN AFTER I TRIED TO PULL VOTES OFF MYSELF WITHOUT CLAIMING, I ONLY NETTED 2 MORE VOTES ON MYSELF. STOP SPAMMING AND TAKE YOUR VOTE OFF ME
So I can get myself lynched? You do realize your asking me to kill myself when I know I'm town for someone who I think is scum.
we should put our votes onto drazerk. an unexplained voteswitch with the tag "i'll explain <after the lynch has occured> is unacceptable" especially from someone who has been fingered as likely mafia. we should all switch our votes to him. unfortunately, people are voting for YOU aprudds, which i think is wrong. i don't think you're mafia, i just think you're the worst town player i've ever seen. i am CLEARLY town. take your vote off me, put it anywhere else, not on yourself
On June 20 2011 05:31 gtrsrs wrote: we should put our votes onto drazerk. an unexplained voteswitch with the tag "i'll explain <after the lynch has occured> is unacceptable" especially from someone who has been fingered as likely mafia. we should all switch our votes to him. unfortunately, people are voting for YOU aprudds, which i think is wrong. i don't think you're mafia, i just think you're the worst town player i've ever seen. i am CLEARLY town. take your vote off me, put it anywhere else, not on yourself
Sorry mate, you know just as well as me that you're just trying to get me killed.
P.S. The fact that you haven't vote switched tells me alot about your motives.
On June 20 2011 05:31 gtrsrs wrote: we should put our votes onto drazerk. an unexplained voteswitch with the tag "i'll explain <after the lynch has occured> is unacceptable" especially from someone who has been fingered as likely mafia. we should all switch our votes to him. unfortunately, people are voting for YOU aprudds, which i think is wrong. i don't think you're mafia, i just think you're the worst town player i've ever seen. i am CLEARLY town. take your vote off me, put it anywhere else, not on yourself
Sorry mate, you know just as well as me that you're just trying to get me killed.
P.S. The fact that you haven't vote switched tells me alot about your motives.
i can't be the first to switch obviously you could very well be mafia. i can't take my vote off you. but if you are town, you will take your vote off me. that's all there is to it
Right i was thinking in a day 2 mind set and then i started to wonder what if
Regardless of everything he's claimed he was the medic so if he does not die at night - He is scum regardless
We may as well have the POSSIBILITY of a save
In no way am i saying he is not scum
im just saying we will 100% know by day 2
okay that's enough for me scum plan is to leave me alive so i get lynched tomorrow this is great news. we can vote for drazerk (clearly scum), and i can get a save tonight. if i get a save both me and my saved will be informed and we'll be in a great spot. take your votes of aprudds. he could be mafia but i'm less sure of that as i am of drazerk.
##unvote: aprudds ##vote: drazerk
PLEASE CHANGE VOTES NOW THERE IS LITERALLY NO TIME
Right i was thinking in a day 2 mind set and then i started to wonder what if
Regardless of everything he's claimed he was the medic so if he does not die at night - He is scum regardless
We may as well have the POSSIBILITY of a save
In no way am i saying he is not scum
im just saying we will 100% know by day 2
okay that's enough for me scum plan is to leave me alive so i get lynched tomorrow this is great news. we can vote for drazerk (clearly scum), and i can get a save tonight. if i get a save both me and my saved will be informed and we'll be in a great spot. take your votes of aprudds. he could be mafia but i'm less sure of that as i am of drazerk.
##unvote: aprudds ##vote: drazerk
PLEASE CHANGE VOTES NOW THERE IS LITERALLY NO TIME
Coaching are chaos13, sinani206 and Varpulis PM them any questions you may have.
i'm sure these guys have been reading the thread. if that's what it takes you to see the light, PM one of them to get confirmation that THEY would take their votes off me now.
Coaching are chaos13, sinani206 and Varpulis PM them any questions you may have.
i'm sure these guys have been reading the thread. if that's what it takes you to see the light, PM one of them to get confirmation that THEY would take their votes off me now.
Ok thats it
TAKE VOTES OFF OF HIM
AND VOTE FOR ME IF YOU SO WISH
its better having a townie die than a possible medic
On June 20 2011 05:08 gtrsrs wrote: so, the game is on Pyo and Treadmill (and potentially cjrninja if he's town). are you guys gonna change your votes?
No dice. Why? Because of shit like this.
On June 20 2011 05:26 gtrsrs wrote: YOU FUCKING SCHOLAR, YOU FUCKING GENTLEMAN, I HAVE EXPLAINED MULTIPLE TIMES THAT I CLAIMED BECAUSE THERE WERE 6 OUT OF 11 VOTES ON ME; EVEN AFTER I TRIED TO PULL VOTES OFF MYSELF WITHOUT CLAIMING, I ONLY NETTED 2 MORE VOTES ON MYSELF. STOP SPAMMING AND TAKE YOUR VOTE OFF ME
If you're town: Look kurumi, you might actually be the medic, but honestly it doesn't even matter anymore. If there are roleblockers, then you're just as useless as any townie. If there aren't roleblockers, you're dead anyway.
If you're mafia: Look iGrok, no need to get all butt-hurt by people voting for you. You've been a huge jackass in both this game and the last so it shouldn't be any surprise no one is going to go out on a limb and cut you any slack. However, the way you've been playing this game is exactly like iGrok did in the last game. High-sounding bleah where you sort of try to establish town cred/leadership, but don't really do or say anything meaningful. Then in response to pressure you go all ape-shit à la Mel Gibson in Braveheart (or The Patriot).
Coaching are chaos13, sinani206 and Varpulis PM them any questions you may have.
i'm sure these guys have been reading the thread. if that's what it takes you to see the light, PM one of them to get confirmation that THEY would take their votes off me now.
I'll confirm that I have been reading the thread (mostly), and am around to respond to PMs. If you have a question, feel free to ask.
Yes, I was watching MC vs Idra game. I just finished. Gtrsrs make a really good point now. After my own post of accusation, it seems like several people IMMediately hardcore jumped on bandwagon and tunneled him to no end. However that doesn't justify my change in vote. What does is the fact that gtrsrs just claimed blue.
What this means is if he really is blue we would suffer a huge loss. However if he isn't blue we'll know for certain when aprudds flips green.
On June 20 2011 05:51 Xedat wrote: I don't know what to do anymore. I don't think gtrsrs is mafia by now, why do oyu think Drazerk is more scummy than appruds gtrsrs?
I have explained the situation with gtrsrs if he is not Mafia we will know
On June 20 2011 05:51 freeloader625 wrote: Yes, I was watching MC vs Idra game. I just finished. Gtrsrs make a really good point now. After my own post of accusation, it seems like several people IMMediately hardcore jumped on bandwagon and tunneled him to no end. However that doesn't justify my change in vote. What does is the fact that gtrsrs just claimed blue.
What this means is if he really is blue we would suffer a huge loss. However if he isn't blue we'll know for certain when aprudds flips green.
On June 20 2011 05:52 freeloader625 wrote: Wow you guys ninja post so fucking fast. I dont' want to lose blue so early so I have to make safest play. ##unvote gtrsrs
On June 20 2011 05:52 freeloader625 wrote: Wow you guys ninja post so fucking fast. I dont' want to lose blue so early so I have to make safest play. ##unvote gtrsrs
##vote: appruds
I live report it is what i do
That wasn't what I mean, like 5 posts popped up when I wrote my first one.
Yes everyone seems to be active right now. My vote stays on appruds, I am going to bed. This is why you don't lynch inactive people day one gtrsrs, at least we have a lot of stuff to work with tommorow. If we had lynched Lord Vatti we would have started with 2 townies down as no one would have said anything worthwhile.
On June 20 2011 05:08 gtrsrs wrote: so, the game is on Pyo and Treadmill (and potentially cjrninja if he's town). are you guys gonna change your votes?
On June 20 2011 05:26 gtrsrs wrote: YOU FUCKING SCHOLAR, YOU FUCKING GENTLEMAN, I HAVE EXPLAINED MULTIPLE TIMES THAT I CLAIMED BECAUSE THERE WERE 6 OUT OF 11 VOTES ON ME; EVEN AFTER I TRIED TO PULL VOTES OFF MYSELF WITHOUT CLAIMING, I ONLY NETTED 2 MORE VOTES ON MYSELF. STOP SPAMMING AND TAKE YOUR VOTE OFF ME
If you're town: Look kurumi, you might actually be the medic, but honestly it doesn't even matter anymore. If there are roleblockers, then you're just as useless as any townie. If there aren't roleblockers, you're dead anyway.
If you're mafia: Look iGrok, no need to get all butt-hurt by people voting for you. You've been a huge jackass in both this game and the last so it shouldn't be any surprise no one is going to go out on a limb and cut you any slack. However, the way you've been playing this game is exactly like iGrok did in the last game. High-sounding bleah where you sort of try to establish town cred/leadership, but don't really do or say anything meaningful. Then in response to pressure you go all ape-shit à la Mel Gibson in Braveheart (or The Patriot).
so my only response is ¯\(°_o)/¯
lmao stfu i started this game playing extremely conservatively in fact that's what got me votes in the first place "why isn't gtrsrs being so cutthroat, why isn't he tunneling anyone?"
i knew it would bite me in the ass
so now i switch to what you want me to be and you chastise me for that too? fuck off
i think aprudds is the wrong vote. i think this is mafia's plan: >gtrsrs bandwagon >gtrsrs has a legit defense, people start bandwagoning on the spammer aprudds >drazerk and xedat, my two biggest mafia targets, vote aprudds >now they take down a townie, leave gtrsrs alive with a huge target on his back, pray he doesn't make a save, and lynch him tomorrow. combined with the modkill they're off to a huge 5-man lead.
alright guys game is on me. i have to make a save tonight. we need LOTS of posts over the next 24 hours. we need townies to step up and tons of wifom so i can make the right save choice. i'm starting to think there is no detective but if there is, we'll discuss what you need to do tonight as well. fuck this game just got INTENSE.
Consider this an official warning. No more flaming or cap-locks abuse. Or I might get pissed. Official vote count coming up in two minutes with the final tally.
It was a hectic day. What started out as a quiet piling of votes soon escalated into a full blown discussion, in which fists and insults were used liberally. More than an argument the whole thing could have been called a massive brawl. But by the end of the day a victim had been chosen, aprudds was dragged up to the gibblet. "Any last words?" asked the mob as they put the noose around his neck. "I. Am. Not. Scum" aprudds replied simply. "LIES" roared the mob, as the executioner pressed the lever. green blood flowed from his severed neck, and the mob dissipated in disappointment.
As the crowd made their way back to their houses someone noticed that in all the scuffle Lord Vatti had apparently fallen and been crushed to death. His green blood stood testimony to his innocence.
aprudds the Post-Apocalyptic Survivor (Vanilla Townie) has been lynched Lord Vatti the Town Drunkard (Vanilla Townie) incurred the wrath of the moderator and has been modkilled.
It is now night time, you have 24 hours to get night actions to Mataza and I.
but i can't blame the town for lynching you your tunneling of the un-cc'd medic and constant 1-liner spam and refusal to listen to the facts got you lynched.
we really should have lynched xedat or drazerk instead though
On June 20 2011 06:14 gtrsrs wrote: but i can't blame the town for lynching you your tunneling of the un-cc'd medic and constant 1-liner spam and refusal to listen to the facts got you lynched.
we really should have lynched xedat or drazerk instead though
Wait and see who dies tonight in my opinion
From what i can tell it won't be me or you as Mafia want lynches on us tomorrow and to pit us against one another
On June 20 2011 06:14 Drazerk wrote: Right that is my own stupidity of having a lost moment change of mind and then encouraging others to do the same
gtrsrs mark my words you have to make a save tonight
i obviously won't
here's why the mafia bandwagoned off of me: they have a roleblocker who they will apply to me.
if they didn't have the roleblocker they would have kept their votes on me. but just like i pointed out earlier, a claimed blue is a worthless blue.
luckily, that means that we have this set-up: 1 Mafia Role Blocker, 2 Mafia Goons,7 Town, 1 Medic, 1 Detective
so the detective will be free to get accurate reports as long as i'm locked up by the hooker. not that we should need them though. we have 2 mafia in the bag, we only need to find the third.
On June 20 2011 06:14 Drazerk wrote: Right that is my own stupidity of having a lost moment change of mind and then encouraging others to do the same
gtrsrs mark my words you have to make a save tonight
i obviously won't
here's why the mafia bandwagoned off of me: they have a roleblocker who they will apply to me.
if they didn't have the roleblocker they would have kept their votes on me. but just like i pointed out earlier, a claimed blue is a worthless blue.
luckily, that means that we have this set-up: 1 Mafia Role Blocker, 2 Mafia Goons,7 Town, 1 Medic, 1 Detective
so the detective will be free to get accurate reports as long as i'm locked up by the hooker. not that we should need them though. we have 2 mafia in the bag, we only need to find the third.
hmm
Ill take a look back and see who changed the votes after i posted that very strange post before the Huk / Idra game
Xedat, Drazerk, and aprudds will not change their votes (the first two because they are definitely scum, and the third because he wants to be like daddy.
freeloader might show up at the last second like he usually does, but my hopes aren't high. even if he does show up i doubt he'll see the error in his ways, or have time to muck through all the drazerk/aprudds spam to see the reason.
so that's 4 votes on me for sure.
Pyo, Treadmill, i think you're both reasonable. i want you to re-evaluate your votes. re-read my defenses and my attempts to lead us in the right direction SEVERAL times throughout the thread. decide if it's really worth it to lynch someone who's intelligent and analytical AND HAS CLAIMED MEDIC or if you'd rather keep Mr. I'm a self-proclaimed idiot drazerk and Mr. I have a hard time with simple grammatical rules aprudds.
cjrninja changing his vote is contingent on if he's mafia or not. if he's mafia he's got no reason to change his vote. if he's town, he should at least consider it, and through his considerations he should see that i am the wrong vote. if he's mafia there's 5 votes on me for sure.
alderan i have no fear will see the light and not vote against me.
so, the game is on Pyo and Treadmill (and potentially cjrninja if he's town). are you guys gonna change your votes?
looks like the new bandwagon is off Drazerk for some reason and onto aprudds, but i gotta do what i can to stay alive :s
On June 20 2011 06:14 Drazerk wrote: Right that is my own stupidity of having a lost moment change of mind and then encouraging others to do the same
gtrsrs mark my words you have to make a save tonight
i obviously won't
here's why the mafia bandwagoned off of me: they have a roleblocker who they will apply to me.
if they didn't have the roleblocker they would have kept their votes on me. but just like i pointed out earlier, a claimed blue is a worthless blue.
luckily, that means that we have this set-up: 1 Mafia Role Blocker, 2 Mafia Goons,7 Town, 1 Medic, 1 Detective
so the detective will be free to get accurate reports as long as i'm locked up by the hooker. not that we should need them though. we have 2 mafia in the bag, we only need to find the third.
Explaining, already, why he isn't gonna get murdered tonight.
gtrsrs is scum. Drazerk is scum.
Do I really need to explain why? Oh, probably, I guess. I'll start working on a post now, get it out before the night post in case I get stabbed (probably not, but who knows).
Xedat, Drazerk, and aprudds will not change their votes (the first two because they are definitely scum, and the third because he wants to be like daddy.
freeloader might show up at the last second like he usually does, but my hopes aren't high. even if he does show up i doubt he'll see the error in his ways, or have time to muck through all the drazerk/aprudds spam to see the reason.
so that's 4 votes on me for sure.
Pyo, Treadmill, i think you're both reasonable. i want you to re-evaluate your votes. re-read my defenses and my attempts to lead us in the right direction SEVERAL times throughout the thread. decide if it's really worth it to lynch someone who's intelligent and analytical AND HAS CLAIMED MEDIC or if you'd rather keep Mr. I'm a self-proclaimed idiot drazerk and Mr. I have a hard time with simple grammatical rules aprudds.
cjrninja changing his vote is contingent on if he's mafia or not. if he's mafia he's got no reason to change his vote. if he's town, he should at least consider it, and through his considerations he should see that i am the wrong vote. if he's mafia there's 5 votes on me for sure.
alderan i have no fear will see the light and not vote against me.
so, the game is on Pyo and Treadmill (and potentially cjrninja if he's town). are you guys gonna change your votes?
looks like the new bandwagon is off Drazerk for some reason and onto aprudds, but i gotta do what i can to stay alive :s
On June 20 2011 06:14 Drazerk wrote: Right that is my own stupidity of having a lost moment change of mind and then encouraging others to do the same
gtrsrs mark my words you have to make a save tonight
i obviously won't
here's why the mafia bandwagoned off of me: they have a roleblocker who they will apply to me.
if they didn't have the roleblocker they would have kept their votes on me. but just like i pointed out earlier, a claimed blue is a worthless blue.
luckily, that means that we have this set-up: 1 Mafia Role Blocker, 2 Mafia Goons,7 Town, 1 Medic, 1 Detective
so the detective will be free to get accurate reports as long as i'm locked up by the hooker. not that we should need them though. we have 2 mafia in the bag, we only need to find the third.
Explaining, already, why he isn't gonna get murdered tonight.
gtrsrs is scum. Drazerk is scum.
Do I really need to explain why? Oh, probably, I guess. I'll start working on a post now, get it out before the night post in case I get stabbed (probably not, but who knows).
He wont be stabbed as I gave a very good idea to the mafia through my own stupidity on Lynching him on day 2 as he was not killed by Mafia causing suspicion to him
treadmill just stop i voted drazerk. i tried to get people to vote drazerk. re-read my posts. once drazerk switched off me i instantly realized mafia's plan. it's so obvious. i am the medic and drazerk and xedat are our scum. please stop listening to your own instincts because you are ALWAYS WRONG. we're not going to focus on me there is a detective in this game and they know that i'm confirmed. me being alive is keeping the roleblocker off them.
we will lynch drazerk and xedat and then find the third mafia. if either drazerk or xedat is the roleblocker then town can't lose.
On June 20 2011 06:28 gtrsrs wrote: treadmill just stop i voted drazerk. i tried to get people to vote drazerk. re-read my posts. once drazerk switched off me i instantly realized mafia's plan. it's so obvious. i am the medic and drazerk and xedat are our scum. please stop listening to your own instincts because you are ALWAYS WRONG. we're not going to focus on me there is a detective in this game and they know that i'm confirmed. me being alive is keeping the roleblocker off them.
we will lynch drazerk and xedat and then find the third mafia. if either drazerk or xedat is the roleblocker then town can't lose.
freeloader will be killed tonight as he's practically in the clear for starting the bandwagon on me. scum doesn't start bandwagons. ask your coaches. scum jumps on bandwagons to get them rolling. freeloader is the only non-suspicious clear and he will die tonight, with certainty. i really hope he's not the detective.
so that means that we need to get as much analysis out of freeloader as we can. we need to hear your thoughts on everything since this will be the last chance you get to speak them
On June 20 2011 06:28 gtrsrs wrote: treadmill just stop i voted drazerk. i tried to get people to vote drazerk. re-read my posts. once drazerk switched off me i instantly realized mafia's plan. it's so obvious. i am the medic and drazerk and xedat are our scum. please stop listening to your own instincts because you are ALWAYS WRONG. we're not going to focus on me there is a detective in this game and they know that i'm confirmed. me being alive is keeping the roleblocker off them.
we will lynch drazerk and xedat and then find the third mafia. if either drazerk or xedat is the roleblocker then town can't lose.
On June 20 2011 06:28 gtrsrs wrote: treadmill just stop i voted drazerk. i tried to get people to vote drazerk. re-read my posts. once drazerk switched off me i instantly realized mafia's plan. it's so obvious. i am the medic and drazerk and xedat are our scum. please stop listening to your own instincts because you are ALWAYS WRONG. we're not going to focus on me there is a detective in this game and they know that i'm confirmed. me being alive is keeping the roleblocker off them.
we will lynch drazerk and xedat and then find the third mafia. if either drazerk or xedat is the roleblocker then town can't lose.
hang on we're ??
we're not going to focus on me?
Oh for love of god
yes, "we," the town, are going to focus on scum now we are not going to be derailed by accusations on me what do you think i meant
On June 20 2011 06:28 gtrsrs wrote: treadmill just stop i voted drazerk. i tried to get people to vote drazerk. re-read my posts. once drazerk switched off me i instantly realized mafia's plan. it's so obvious. i am the medic and drazerk and xedat are our scum. please stop listening to your own instincts because you are ALWAYS WRONG. we're not going to focus on me there is a detective in this game and they know that i'm confirmed. me being alive is keeping the roleblocker off them.
we will lynch drazerk and xedat and then find the third mafia. if either drazerk or xedat is the roleblocker then town can't lose.
hang on we're ??
we're not going to focus on me?
Oh for love of god
yes, "we," the town, are going to focus on scum now we are not going to be derailed by accusations on me what do you think i meant
I was following in the previous line of treadmill on why the Mafia would focus on you
As in Mafia focusing, Not town
Im not going to start an accusation on you yet as we have better targets which i have listed
okay here's what i see going down 1 Mafia Role Blocker, 2 Mafia Goons,75 Town, 1 Medic, 1 Detective
tonight the mafia kill a townie. it will not be me for stated reasons. i will be blocked instead. so there's a 1/6 chance to hit detective. let's assume they do not hit detective
tomorrow we'll have 1 Mafia Role Blocker, 2 Mafia Goons,4 Town, 1 Medic, 1 Detective
we lynch Xedat, as although Drazerk is definitely scum, i don't think the roleblocker would put himself in such light. if xedat is the roleblocker we're in good shape. we'll start night 2 with the following:
2 Mafia Goons,4 Town, 1 Medic, 1 Detective
with the hooker dead, the mafia *might* kill me. it depends on how tomorrow goes. if you guys put FoS's on me and whatnot, they'll keep me alive. if we just trust me that i'm the medic, i'll die. i'm hoping for the second. why do i hope to die? because if i die that means the detective will not.
day 3 we'll have 2 Mafia Goons,4 Town, 1 Detective
whereupon we'll lynch drazerk. by now the detective will have 2 reports. his reports will not be on me, drazerk, or xedat, so he'll have a 2/5 chance of hitting a mafia. if he's got a guilty he outs it and we win. if not we scumhunt and win on day 4.
On June 20 2011 06:38 gtrsrs wrote: okay here's what i see going down 1 Mafia Role Blocker, 2 Mafia Goons,75 Town, 1 Medic, 1 Detective
tonight the mafia kill a townie. it will not be me for stated reasons. i will be blocked instead. so there's a 1/6 chance to hit detective. let's assume they do not hit detective
tomorrow we'll have 1 Mafia Role Blocker, 2 Mafia Goons,4 Town, 1 Medic, 1 Detective
we lynch Xedat, as although Drazerk is definitely scum, i don't think the roleblocker would put himself in such light. if xedat is the roleblocker we're in good shape. we'll start night 2 with the following:
2 Mafia Goons,4 Town, 1 Medic, 1 Detective
with the hooker dead, the mafia *might* kill me. it depends on how tomorrow goes. if you guys put FoS's on me and whatnot, they'll keep me alive. if we just trust me that i'm the medic, i'll die. i'm hoping for the second. why do i hope to die? because if i die that means the detective will not.
day 3 we'll have 2 Mafia Goons,4 Town, 1 Detective
whereupon we'll lynch drazerk. by now the detective will have 2 reports. his reports will not be on me, drazerk, or xedat, so he'll have a 2/5 chance of hitting a mafia. if he's got a guilty he outs it and we win. if not we scumhunt and win on day 4.
i like the look of this
To be honest I like that plan a lot
yes I am still Martyring but I know by day 3 you will relies I am not scum or something will of happened that sees me die earlier
On June 20 2011 06:59 Treadmill wrote: So, Draz, your defence is that you did "a last moment save" and your defence is also that you"lead the charge against him".
I lead the charge against gtrsrs
Did you not read the 3 pages of spam i did against him or something?
treadmill he's trying to buddy buddy me to tie us together. i'm convinced that he's mafia but i am confirmed medic don't waste your time trying to get me lynched. i've already defended myself, and you're always wrong anyways, no matter how many paragraphs you write. if you're going to target someone, please take a look at drazerk, or do a more thorough analysis of Xedat based on mine from earlier in the thread.
treadmill he's trying to buddy buddy me to tie us together. i'm convinced that he's mafia but i am confirmed medic don't waste your time trying to get me lynched. i've already defended myself, and you're always wrong anyways, no matter how many paragraphs you write. if you're going to target someone, please take a look at drazerk, or do a more thorough analysis of Xedat based on mine from earlier in the thread.
No No im not trying to buddy buddy you
I am still suspicious of you but we have better targets at the moment
drazerk please stop confirming my plans you are the most blatantly obvious scum to ever have existed and every time you buddy me it kills my credibility for the love of god
On June 20 2011 07:05 gtrsrs wrote: drazerk please stop confirming my plans you are the most blatantly obvious scum to ever have existed and every time you buddy me it kills my credibility for the love of god
When I Flip green I am going to Laugh my way to heaven
I can not believe that we let them get away with this guys........
Look the entire day there were 2 people that everyone thought were the most scummy, Gtrsrs and Drazerk. What happened?!
We now just miss lynched a green without gaining ANY information. The Drazerk/gtrsrs feud almost solidifies in my mind the theory that 1 is maf and 1 isn't.
The fact that gtrsrs orchestrated a bandwagon on someone with little to no scum tells is mindblowing, and is either incredibly scummy or incredibly stupid. Tomorrow we're going to have to decide which.
On June 20 2011 08:12 Alderan wrote: I can not believe that we let them get away with this guys........
Look the entire day there were 2 people that everyone thought were the most scummy, Gtrsrs and Drazerk. What happened?!
We now just miss lynched a green without gaining ANY information. The Drazerk/gtrsrs feud almost solidifies in my mind the theory that 1 is maf and 1 isn't.
The fact that gtrsrs orchestrated a bandwagon on someone with little to no scum tells is mindblowing, and is either incredibly scummy or incredibly stupid. Tomorrow we're going to have to decide which.
Or the possibility of none of us being mafia?
Still suspicious of you though gtrsrs but for now your a possible medic and we have MUCH better targets
Something to point out: If we miss on 2 more lynches we lose flat out. Town is at 7 to mafia's 3, so +4 If we hit mafia, they kill a townie so still +4 If we hit town then mafia also kills town and we're down to +2 With 2 mislynches we're at even with mafia ie. we lose. Just something to point out.
So, Lord Vatti, fuck that guy.
Rereading the thread to figure out what's going on. Will post when finished.
On June 20 2011 13:25 Treadmill wrote: So, Lord Vatti, fuck that guy.
Could you please keep it civil? There's no need for that.
Sorry, you're right. Rather pissed off about the modkill especially considering how much the modkills screwed us up last game, but you're right. Can I have permission to edit that out?
On June 20 2011 13:25 Treadmill wrote: So, Lord Vatti, fuck that guy.
Could you please keep it civil? There's no need for that.
Sorry, you're right. Rather pissed off about the modkill especially considering how much the modkills screwed us up last game, but you're right. Can I have permission to edit that out?
Just leave it in, admitting its out of line is more than enough, and we want to keep edits to a minimum
team we need some more activity here. i know that everyone's afraid to step up because no one wants to get shot, but mafia thrives in a dead town.
i need to hear your reactions to the day's events. i need to see who thinks what so i can know who to save. i can only assume that the mafia has a roleblocker which is why they kept me alive. if i die, they definitely do not have a roleblocker. unfortunately that means we also don't have a DT.
who do you guys think would make a good DT check? who should i attempt to save? who is the mafia going to target tonight? we need some conversation, gogo
It's night time. No one needs to do anything for the next 24 hours. If we have a DT, let that person do whatever he thinks is right. No discussion is necessary.
BTW, I still don't buy that you're the medic. The only way that I'll be convinced of this is if you actually flip blue.
don't try to shut down town communication. that's scummy. we need to figure out who thinks what so we can have a plan going into tomorrow. if someone's going to die they need to give their dying thoughts etc. just shutting down during the night accomplishes nothing
On June 18 2011 19:10 Xedat wrote: Generic post not to be modkilled.....
To say one last word to the setup discussion, I think blues should only claim when they are being lynched or if they think outing themselves will help town.
Now, as we need to pressure someone, Drazerk, why do you bring the focus away from freeloader immediately and try to incriminate 3 people who haven't posted hours after the game started. Trying to protect your scumbuddy?
After accusing him of being inactive he does this So called " Generic post to not be mod killed " being suspicious of myself who at the time, not everyone thought i was scum ( In fact he was one of the few that started it ), as for myself defending Freeloader at the time he had only made one worthless post and it was pointless focusing on him for that.
On June 18 2011 19:36 Xedat wrote: Aha, why so defensive. Scared to be lynched? Maybe they didn't lurk but simply did not read the thread until now.
After answering his questions he decides to go on the offensive to lure the focus from the "Inactive players" to Me by defending Alderan ( who still looks pretty scummy but ill go into that later )
On June 18 2011 23:00 Xedat wrote: Yeah, I am not actually suspecting you, just tried to get someone talking. We will see if someone slips something stupid, otherwise it will be a random lynch tomorrow I think.
No longer on the offensive now after I throw his argument out, Now suggesting a random lynch ( pretty scummy although not that rare on day 1)
On June 19 2011 17:31 Xedat wrote: I agree that we should not waste our lynch on an inactive player. I find it quite strange that Drazerk does not really defend himself after it looks like he is to be lynched. There has been a lot of discussion about him and I think lynching the most talked about player actually has some merit, as it will help us scumhunting. As others have said, just waiting until someone slips is not a winning strategy.
If you are under fire, please defend yourself properly. I know that it is pretty difficult on day one, but saying nothing is the worst you can do.
##vote: Drazerk
He goes back to being suspicious of me due to my inactivity
Pretty reasonable since im one of the scummiest players here
On June 20 2011 00:02 Xedat wrote: It doesn't look like Drazerk wants to martyr himself. I also think his defense is half decent. I actually would like to hear what gtrsrs has to say to the people voting for him. To me it looked like Pyo's first vote on Drazerk was to make the game a bit more livelier and I voted for Drazerk because he didn't respond for that. Right now I don't think that Drazerk is too scummy anymore. I will change my vote to gtrsrs, let's see who will defend him and what his defense is.
##unvote: Drazerk
##vote: gtrsrs
He no longer thinks I am Scummy?
At that point I had pretty much rolled over and died and Apparently my One vote stirred some action causing him to jump on the bandwagon
On June 20 2011 05:46 Xedat wrote: ##unvote gtrsrs
##vote: appruds
I think he has defended himself enough and the tunneling by Drazerk and appruds is a bit too crazy.
At this point he pretty much is no longer suspecting me and claims we are tunneling him ( Well at this point I was actually trying to remove votes off him )
He switches his vote to Appruds after my post appearing to swap from one bandwagon to another
On June 20 2011 05:51 Xedat wrote: I don't know what to do anymore. I don't think gtrsrs is mafia by now, why do oyu think Drazerk is more scummy than appruds gtrsrs?
At this point I was no less scummier than at the start of the game and in the previous post he claimed gtrsts had defended himself enough
On June 20 2011 05:55 Xedat wrote: Yes everyone seems to be active right now. My vote stays on appruds, I am going to bed. This is why you don't lynch inactive people day one gtrsrs, at least we have a lot of stuff to work with tommorow. If we had lynched Lord Vatti we would have started with 2 townies down as no one would have said anything worthwhile.
See you guys tomorrow.
He seems to think that by jumping on the Three Bandwagons ( Myself , Gr , Aprruds ) that he was stirring town conversation yet not adding anything himself at all.
Xedal is acting like Scum At the moment and we should take him as our lynch tomorrow
also due to the constant bickering earlier in the game ( then again I think I have argued with everyone at this stage ) I should have cleared my name when he bleeds red
looks like gtrsrs is scum, and only because you claimed medic does not mean you are a confirmed medic. On Drazerk analyzing me, the first few posts we did was simply to start a discussion, how that is incriminating is beyond me. Second of all, being one if the first persons to vote for someon is not "jumping on a bandwagon." Third of all, if you are town how is changing my vote áway from you scummy in any way? Also, if you think gtrsrs is town why is it scummy to change my vote from him. If he is the medic I would be stupid to vote for him. The other 2 options were you and appruds. In my eyes you were clear, so I had the choice between a claimed medic someone I thought was town and a more scummy player. Of course I vote for the person that is most scummiest to protect our medic. Voting for someone totally different to get the focus away from me would be the scummy way to play.
Please town, think for yourself and don't let yourself be led by mafia to an early grave.
It is entierly possible that Drazerk and gtrsrs are mafia and do this all to get town cred, but I think it is more probable that only gtrsrs or none of them is mafia.
On June 20 2011 15:58 Pyo wrote: You're random blabbing doesn't accomplish anything.
trying to be ironic or do YOUR feet just taste that good?
DT i think that Pyo might be worth a check. last game i felt like he was a strong player who saw the evidence, analyzed it correctly, voiced his opinion clearly, and made good decisions. this game he's been sniping, shutting down conversation, making poor decisions publicly, and overall just being a scumbucket. it's entirely possible that he's the third mafia, which would make sense, as he would definitely be the ring-leader type prompting Drazerk to up his posting, agree with me, etc. he could have also told xedat and drazerk to ship aprudds and take him down once i claimed. it seems like something he would be capable of thinking of.
So who is mafia in your book gtrsrs? Accusing everyone? You said that between Xedat, Drazerk, CjrNinja and appruds there are 100% percent 3 mafioso. And now suddenly Pyo is mafia too? Why don't you say anything about appruds? Lets face it people, gtrsrs is very scummy, take everything he says with a grain of salt and don't just believe him.
xedat and drazerk are our only confirmed mafia i've said several times i'm not sure on the third i told the town to take their votes off of aprudds, drazerk confirmed him as town third mafia is either cjrninja or pyo right now but i could be way off with that.
On June 20 2011 15:58 Pyo wrote: You're random blabbing doesn't accomplish anything.
trying to be ironic or do YOUR feet just taste that good?
DT i think that Pyo might be worth a check. last game i felt like he was a strong player who saw the evidence, analyzed it correctly, voiced his opinion clearly, and made good decisions. this game he's been sniping, shutting down conversation, making poor decisions publicly, and overall just being a scumbucket. it's entirely possible that he's the third mafia, which would make sense, as he would definitely be the ring-leader type prompting Drazerk to up his posting, agree with me, etc. he could have also told xedat and drazerk to ship aprudds and take him down once i claimed. it seems like something he would be capable of thinking of.
We going to address the fact that he was the first to vote for me?
Believing i was scum due to my posting pattern change
On June 21 2011 02:54 gtrsrs wrote: xedat and drazerk are our only confirmed mafia i've said several times i'm not sure on the third i told the town to take their votes off of aprudds, drazerk confirmed him as town third mafia is either cjrninja or pyo right now but i could be way off with that.
There are no Confirmed mafia you will see when I die
On June 21 2011 02:53 Xedat wrote: So who is mafia in your book gtrsrs? Accusing everyone? You said that between Xedat, Drazerk, CjrNinja and appruds there are 100% percent 3 mafioso. And now suddenly Pyo is mafia too? Why don't you say anything about appruds? Lets face it people, gtrsrs is very scummy, take everything he says with a grain of salt and don't just believe him.
Yeah, he's scum. Why the f**k did you change your vote...
On June 21 2011 02:53 Xedat wrote: So who is mafia in your book gtrsrs? Accusing everyone? You said that between Xedat, Drazerk, CjrNinja and appruds there are 100% percent 3 mafioso. And now suddenly Pyo is mafia too? Why don't you say anything about appruds? Lets face it people, gtrsrs is very scummy, take everything he says with a grain of salt and don't just believe him.
Yeah, he's scum. Why the f**k did you change your vote...
Just to point out the only way his vote would of mattered ( at the point he voted at ) was if lord Vatti came back, His vote was 100% meaningless as it was still on me ( only him still voting at this point ) I believe his claim at the time was to "Save my own hide" when to be honest it did not matter one bit
On June 21 2011 02:53 Xedat wrote: So who is mafia in your book gtrsrs? Accusing everyone? You said that between Xedat, Drazerk, CjrNinja and appruds there are 100% percent 3 mafioso. And now suddenly Pyo is mafia too? Why don't you say anything about appruds? Lets face it people, gtrsrs is very scummy, take everything he says with a grain of salt and don't just believe him.
Yeah, he's scum. Why the f**k did you change your vote...
he changed his vote because i claimed medic, so they know they can keep me locked down with roleblocker and target another townie. as soon as drazerk jumped votes we should have lynched drazerk. i don't know how no one else is seeing this
On June 21 2011 02:53 Xedat wrote: So who is mafia in your book gtrsrs? Accusing everyone? You said that between Xedat, Drazerk, CjrNinja and appruds there are 100% percent 3 mafioso. And now suddenly Pyo is mafia too? Why don't you say anything about appruds? Lets face it people, gtrsrs is very scummy, take everything he says with a grain of salt and don't just believe him.
Yeah, he's scum. Why the f**k did you change your vote...
he changed his vote because i claimed medic, so they know they can keep me locked down with roleblocker and target another townie. as soon as drazerk jumped votes we should have lynched drazerk. i don't know how no one else is seeing this
Possibly because I did not say vote Appruds I said Don't vote you
Coaching are chaos13, sinani206 and Varpulis PM them any questions you may have.
i'm sure these guys have been reading the thread. if that's what it takes you to see the light, PM one of them to get confirmation that THEY would take their votes off me now.
Ok thats it
TAKE VOTES OFF OF HIM
AND VOTE FOR ME IF YOU SO WISH
its better having a townie die than a possible medic
The sun rose over the fortress, and the villagers gathered in the town square, ready to count their losses. It was not immediately apparent who, if anyone had died that night. As the town started to breathe a collective sigh of relief, a massive explosion was heard. The entire town rushed over to the source of the sound, omgCRAZY's house. Or at least the crater where omgCRAZY's house used to stand. Now all that was left of the house and its occupant were bits and pieces, scattered across the adjoining area, only the splatters of green blood stood testament to the fact that omgCRAZY had once occupied this house. The town had no time to mourn however, they needed to catch the bastards who had done this, fast, before they had a chance to kill off more innocent townies.
omgCRAZY the town nut (Vanilla Townie) is dead. + Show Spoiler +
It is the start of day 2! You have 48 hours to vote for who to lynch. Things are starting to look dire, so choose wisely.
Personally Freeloader may be a good target at what would be better than taking out the guy responsible for last games win?
why exactly should we wait to kill him tomorrow? if he is scum, he's the most dangerous kind: the one claiming to be a blue and telling everyone who to vote for.
Roleblocker You are a mafia member who has the ability to prevent a player from performing a night action. Once per night, you may roleblock a player, and your target will be unable to perform night actions for that night. Your target will be informed that they have been roleblocked (even if they didn't have a night action). You do not have to use your action every night.
i was not informed of any roleblock. so i will take it that i was not roleblocked. i'm pretty pissed though. i was *this* close to saving omgCRAZY. i will not reveal who i attempted to save instead
if you were roleblocked you need to let us know now.
also take your votes off me. you have no case against me. we're voting for Drazerk or Xedat today. i'm leaning towards Xedat because although Drazerk is definitely scum, at least he's posting a lot. he might lead us to his other buddy or provide some helpful analysis
On June 21 2011 06:29 gtrsrs wrote: also take your votes off me. you have no case against me. we're voting for Drazerk or Xedat today. i'm leaning towards Xedat because although Drazerk is definitely scum, at least he's posting a lot. he might lead us to his other buddy or provide some helpful analysis
This is what really bothers me.
Also, "he's definitely scum but might provide some helpful analysis." WTF?
Xedat and Drazerk are both 100% scum Xedat is wishy washy on the rare occasions he does post Drazerk posts frequently and seems to be trying to appear pro-town
On June 21 2011 06:50 gtrsrs wrote: Xedat and Drazerk are both 100% scum Xedat is wishy washy on the rare occasions he does post Drazerk posts frequently and seems to be trying to appear pro-town
we get to lynch 1 today
why not get rid of the quiet one?
Pro town would be one way of putting it...
I am not ruling out anyone at this point in time as there are far too many suspects ( you and me both )
Nothing is really proving town elegance at this point and the only reason I decided to keep you around was the Small chance you was in fact a medic
On June 21 2011 07:08 omgCRAZY wrote: The Town nut! WTF. Is it also just coincidence that my neighbours house blew up recently? Oh well GG guys. Find and kill those scum that did this!
I have to agree, Xedat is pretty suspicious. I just went trough all his posts.
at first, he just makes some useless posts, no accuses, just a little bandwagoning here and there. In fact he first voted on Drazerk, switched to gtrsrs and switched again to aprudds. Not a reason to call him scum (I also switched twice :D) What made me consider that he's mafia is his recent behavior. Since people started accusing him, he changed dramatically:
On June 20 2011 21:22 Xedat wrote: looks like gtrsrs is scum, and only because you claimed medic does not mean you are a confirmed medic. On Drazerk analyzing me, the first few posts we did was simply to start a discussion, how that is incriminating is beyond me. Second of all, being one if the first persons to vote for someon is not "jumping on a bandwagon." Third of all, if you are town how is changing my vote áway from you scummy in any way? Also, if you think gtrsrs is town why is it scummy to change my vote from him. If he is the medic I would be stupid to vote for him. The other 2 options were you and appruds. In my eyes you were clear, so I had the choice between a claimed medic someone I thought was town and a more scummy player. Of course I vote for the person that is most scummiest to protect our medic. Voting for someone totally different to get the focus away from me would be the scummy way to play.
Please town, think for yourself and don't let yourself be led by mafia to an early grave.
It is entierly possible that Drazerk and gtrsrs are mafia and do this all to get town cred, but I think it is more probable that only gtrsrs or none of them is mafia.
Note this: "Please town, think for yourself and don't let yourself be led by mafia to an early grave." .... third person... Well I don't know, I might be wrong, but I think he meant: "You idiots, I didn't act suspicious at all."
On June 21 2011 02:53 Xedat wrote: So who is mafia in your book gtrsrs? Accusing everyone? You said that between Xedat, Drazerk, CjrNinja and appruds there are 100% percent 3 mafioso. And now suddenly Pyo is mafia too? Why don't you say anything about appruds? Lets face it people, gtrsrs is very scummy, take everything he says with a grain of salt and don't just believe him.
Also this one. "you call me scum? You are scum yourself!" All in all, Xedat is the most obvious choice even more than Drazerk and gtrsrs. I am not sure about both. They were both under heavy pressure and posted some suspicious/strange things... ##vote: Xedat
On June 21 2011 07:42 Alderan wrote: Umm what??? I got RB'd......??
So this will almost assuredly get me lynched, but the town needs to know the set up, so I had to claim.
What just happened?
oh wait... I didn't see this... This changes everything... got to think about that
He's lying - He's scum as ive told you ages ago
What did we have 2 pages discussing?
How to confirm if there is a role blocker or not
We agreed if someone said it they was scum
no, this isn't true i asked the town to confirm if they were roleblocked. i'm somewhat surprised that i didn't get roleblocked. mafia is relying on me missing my saves (which i did last night) and using their roleblock and kill to try to hit the detective with either
On June 21 2011 07:42 Alderan wrote: Umm what??? I got RB'd......??
So this will almost assuredly get me lynched, but the town needs to know the set up, so I had to claim.
What just happened?
oh wait... I didn't see this... This changes everything... got to think about that
He's lying - He's scum as ive told you ages ago
What did we have 2 pages discussing?
How to confirm if there is a role blocker or not
We agreed if someone said it they was scum
no, this isn't true i asked the town to confirm if they were roleblocked. i'm somewhat surprised that i didn't get roleblocked. mafia is relying on me missing my saves (which i did last night) and using their roleblock and kill to try to hit the detective with either
That is just confusing me now
Mafia are either retarded Or they have no role blocker and Alderan wants us to believe there is one
Hey guys. jsut wanted to apoligize for missing out on the game. was eager to play, but had huge virus issues. sorry. cant wait for the next game... *sigh*
On June 21 2011 07:42 Alderan wrote: Umm what??? I got RB'd......??
So this will almost assuredly get me lynched, but the town needs to know the set up, so I had to claim.
What just happened?
oh wait... I didn't see this... This changes everything... got to think about that
He's lying - He's scum as ive told you ages ago
What did we have 2 pages discussing?
How to confirm if there is a role blocker or not
We agreed if someone said it they was scum
no, this isn't true i asked the town to confirm if they were roleblocked. i'm somewhat surprised that i didn't get roleblocked. mafia is relying on me missing my saves (which i did last night) and using their roleblock and kill to try to hit the detective with either
That is just confusing me now
Mafia are either retarded Or they have no role blocker and Alderan wants us to believe there is one
On June 21 2011 07:42 Alderan wrote: Umm what??? I got RB'd......??
So this will almost assuredly get me lynched, but the town needs to know the set up, so I had to claim.
What just happened?
oh wait... I didn't see this... This changes everything... got to think about that
He's lying - He's scum as ive told you ages ago
What did we have 2 pages discussing?
How to confirm if there is a role blocker or not
We agreed if someone said it they was scum
no, this isn't true i asked the town to confirm if they were roleblocked. i'm somewhat surprised that i didn't get roleblocked. mafia is relying on me missing my saves (which i did last night) and using their roleblock and kill to try to hit the detective with either
That is just confusing me now
Mafia are either retarded Or they have no role blocker and Alderan wants us to believe there is one
We will see after night 2 I guess
Or gtrsrs and you are both scum.
Possibility and I would not rule it out
Anyone can be Mafia but Xedat is our best target - FOR NOW
On June 21 2011 07:42 Alderan wrote: Umm what??? I got RB'd......??
So this will almost assuredly get me lynched, but the town needs to know the set up, so I had to claim.
What just happened?
oh wait... I didn't see this... This changes everything... got to think about that
He's lying - He's scum as ive told you ages ago
What did we have 2 pages discussing?
How to confirm if there is a role blocker or not
We agreed if someone said it they was scum
no, this isn't true i asked the town to confirm if they were roleblocked. i'm somewhat surprised that i didn't get roleblocked. mafia is relying on me missing my saves (which i did last night) and using their roleblock and kill to try to hit the detective with either
That is just confusing me now
Mafia are either retarded Or they have no role blocker and Alderan wants us to believe there is one
We will see after night 2 I guess
Or gtrsrs and you are both scum.
And to be honest the amount of arguments and hate we have for one another - Why would both of us be scum?
On June 21 2011 07:42 Alderan wrote: Umm what??? I got RB'd......??
So this will almost assuredly get me lynched, but the town needs to know the set up, so I had to claim.
What just happened?
oh wait... I didn't see this... This changes everything... got to think about that
He's lying - He's scum as ive told you ages ago
What did we have 2 pages discussing?
How to confirm if there is a role blocker or not
We agreed if someone said it they was scum
no, this isn't true i asked the town to confirm if they were roleblocked. i'm somewhat surprised that i didn't get roleblocked. mafia is relying on me missing my saves (which i did last night) and using their roleblock and kill to try to hit the detective with either
That is just confusing me now
Mafia are either retarded Or they have no role blocker and Alderan wants us to believe there is one
We will see after night 2 I guess
Or gtrsrs and you are both scum.
And to be honest the amount of arguments and hate we have for one another - Why would both of us be scum?
Its either none or 1-1
Nonsense. You two have been very loudly disagreeing but your actions have been hand in hand. This is exactly what you're trying to get us to believe, so that when one of you flips mafia we won't possibly go after the other.
On June 21 2011 09:27 Treadmill wrote: Nonsense. You two have been very loudly disagreeing but your actions have been hand in hand. This is exactly what you're trying to get us to believe, so that when one of you flips mafia we won't possibly go after the other.
stop being naive drazerk has been buddying me all game since i claimed so that you would think these exact thoughts drazerk is 100% mafia, i am the medic stop trying to tie us together, it's what he wants
After looking through omgCRAZY's actions the only similarity I can find is that we both were not among the most active. None of our voting lines up, nor do our suspicions.
I guess these findings could potentially speak to this point:
On June 21 2011 07:42 Alderan wrote: Umm what??? I got RB'd......??
So this will almost assuredly get me lynched, but the town needs to know the set up, so I had to claim.
What just happened?
oh wait... I didn't see this... This changes everything... got to think about that
He's lying - He's scum as ive told you ages ago
What did we have 2 pages discussing?
How to confirm if there is a role blocker or not
We agreed if someone said it they was scum
no, this isn't true i asked the town to confirm if they were roleblocked. i'm somewhat surprised that i didn't get roleblocked. mafia is relying on me missing my saves (which i did last night) and using their roleblock and kill to try to hit the detective with either
but it's still tough to say.
My vote was on Drazerk Day 1, and I am hesitant to change it. There is no one that has been more divisive, and been more supportive of anti-town strategies.
On June 21 2011 09:27 Treadmill wrote: Nonsense. You two have been very loudly disagreeing but your actions have been hand in hand. This is exactly what you're trying to get us to believe, so that when one of you flips mafia we won't possibly go after the other.
stop being naive drazerk has been buddying me all game since i claimed so that you would think these exact thoughts drazerk is 100% mafia, i am the medic stop trying to tie us together, it's what he wants
You know what I don't care anymore I made it past day 1 and that was more than I thought I would
Lynch me ill flip green and we all lose as people have said 2 miss lynches = game over
May as well waste one on me now since you guys don't believe me regardless
I went into Day 1 thinking I struck gold by finding two mafia. Then an hour before the end of the day my prime target claims blue, resulting in everyone switching over last minute and killing a townie instead.
Night 1 arrives and the only thing I see is Drazerk and gtrsrs going at it relentlessly, then agreeing on some points, then back to stabbing each other, then drazerk latches on to gtrsrs, then gtrsrs tells him to f-off… well we all see what happens. It’s really hard for me to believe that one, if not both are mafia.
Day 2 arrives and omgCRAZY is hit. I was almost certain mafia would take the bait of a free medic and hit gtrsrs. I mean why not? Re-reading all the posts I’d have to agree with
On June 21 2011 08:36 gtrsrs wrote: mafia is relying on me missing my saves (which i did last night) and using their roleblock and kill to try to hit the detective with either
Then it does become clear to me. Gtrsrs really is medic. He was left alive so we could lynch him in Day 2. He’s probably the most obvious lynch if he failed to prove hes medic… almost too obvious. Me, treadmill, pyo and maybe even drazerk would have voted him almost guaranteeing a lynch right off the bat.
If you make a successful save, both you and your target will be notified of the save.
There were no successful saves that night. Nobody would be notified of a save that didn't happen. Town can't confirm that gtrsrs is medic so he would be lynched. HOWEVER, Alderan got roleblocked. omgCRAZY got hit. What this means is that the mafias full intention that night was to hit or stop the DT. Think about it. omgCRAZY does have fairly low post count. Alderan as well. Either of the two are valid candidates for being DT. Mafia did not hit gtrsrs because they expected him to get lynched today. So mafia went DT hunting instead. It makes perfect sense. If we lynch gtrsrs we’d lose our medic and be playing right into the trap. I’m positive this is the case now. Please do not lynch gtrsrs! His posts actually make sense. Treadmill and pyo, at this stage you’ve already voted for gtrsrs. I urge you to look at all the posts again.
With that said I’ll continue to go with my first intuition then which is drazerk. He played so scummy and tried to attach to our medic while attacking him, then attaching to him, then attacking him again, then tries to offer himself as martyr. I think this was done primarily to confuse town and to get votes on gtrsrs. I almost fell for it myself.
On June 21 2011 07:00 Drazerk wrote: as far as it goes this is the priority hit list -
Just listing them in the order of scummy activity nothing more / less
Then he posts something like this. This post looks constructive but fails in the sense that WE DON’T HAVE THAT MANY LYNCHES! Even one myslynch is fatal and you still want to martyr yourself. If you were a town and we lynch you then we lose. Why would a town tell the town to lynch a town when we have no lynches left? A martyr town lynch would simply mean we lose. We have so little room for error.
Posts like these and your random flurry of attacks/agreements and martyr attitude has me convinced what I thought in day 1 that you drazerk are still scum.
On June 22 2011 00:44 Xedat wrote: no posts since nearly 9 hours? Say something town, silence will only help scum.
go f*ck yourself gtrsrs. Way to suck the life out of the game with your bs. If you're town, you're a terrible town who has done nothing but kill the conversation and destroy the fun of the game with the way you play the game. If you're mafia, as I suspect, congratulations. I have the feeling that this game is basically dead.
I mean when the host has to make a post like this, you know something's wrong.
To be honest, this game isn't even any fun anymore, so I'm just going to lay out my future votes and only post once per day until I'm dead:
1. gtrsrs (for reasons that I've already laid out) 2. supersoft (mostly for this post) 3. alderan (for pretty much saying nothing) 4. freeloader (his posts have a general scummy feel of saying stuff without saying stuff. he is first to accuse gtrsrs, but it backfires. Changes his vote after the "medic claim". Then is the one to bring forward this idea that mafia let gtrsrs live so that we'd lynch him. 5. drazerk, treadmill, xedat in alphabetical order (if we haven't won by now, we'd have lost)
On June 22 2011 00:44 Xedat wrote: no posts since nearly 9 hours? Say something town, silence will only help scum.
go f*ck yourself gtrsrs. Way to suck the life out of the game with your bs. If you're town, you're a terrible town who has done nothing but kill the conversation and destroy the fun of the game with the way you play the game. If you're mafia, as I suspect, congratulations. I have the feeling that this game is basically dead.
I mean when the host has to make a post like this, you know something's wrong.
To be honest, this game isn't even any fun anymore, so I'm just going to lay out my future votes and only post once per day until I'm dead:
1. gtrsrs (for reasons that I've already laid out) 2. supersoft (mostly for this post) 3. alderan (for pretty much saying nothing) 4. freeloader (his posts have a general scummy feel of saying stuff without saying stuff. he is first to accuse gtrsrs, but it backfires. Changes his vote after the "medic claim". Then is the one to bring forward this idea that mafia let gtrsrs live so that we'd lynch him. 5. drazerk, treadmill, xedat in alphabetical order (if we haven't won by now, we'd have lost)
>feigning disinterest, check >saying you won't help the town any more, check >laying out your voting pattern before any evidence is presented, check >voting for the 4 most pro-town players first, check >leaving the 2 confirmed mafia for 5th and 7th votes, respectively, check
I would also like to chime in and say that gtrsrs' bad mannered style makes me not want to play the game. But he also did it when he was town so that does not mean he is scum. Just check if he signs up to the same game you do, I will.
On June 21 2011 16:45 Xedat wrote: I still think gtrsrs is scum. And me attacking you is not being wishy washy gtrsrs.
##vote: gtrsrs
really now, do you? it's funny that you say "still" because as far as i can tell you've never actually thought i was scum let's take a stroll through your posts shall we
On June 17 2011 07:32 Xedat wrote: Another question: Are dead mafia players allowed to give advice/talk in the mafia Quicktopic?
didn't notice this til now. why would a town ever need to know this? not enough to be suspicious of someone but it sure does lend credibility to my case.
On June 18 2011 19:10 Xedat wrote: Generic post not to be modkilled..... To say one last word to the setup discussion, I think blues should only claim when they are being lynched or if they think outing themselves will help town. Now, as we need to pressure someone, Drazerk, why do you bring the focus away from freeloader immediately and try to incriminate 3 people who haven't posted hours after the game started. Trying to protect your scumbuddy?
bolded blue noted for later
On June 18 2011 19:36 Xedat wrote: Aha, why so defensive. Scared to be lynched? Maybe they didn't lurk but simply did not read the thread until now.
On June 18 2011 23:00 Xedat wrote: Yeah, I am not actually suspecting you, just tried to get someone talking. We will see if someone slips something stupid, otherwise it will be a random lynch tomorrow I think.
these two posts reek of scummy wishy-washiness. he fake accuses Drazerk and then before anyone can take it seriously, he backs off it. "oh no no i wasn't actually accusing him lol LET'S WAIT FOR SCUM TO SLIP"
On June 19 2011 17:31 Xedat wrote: I agree that we should not waste our lynch on an inactive player. I find it quite strange that Drazerk does not really defend himself after it looks like he is to be lynched. There has been a lot of discussion about him and I think lynching the most talked about player actually has some merit, as it will help us scumhunting. As others have said, just waiting until someone slips is not a winning strategy.
If you are under fire, please defend yourself properly. I know that it is pretty difficult on day one, but saying nothing is the worst you can do.
##vote: Drazerk
"wait for scum to slip? that's the dumbest thing anyone's ever said lol!! oh, it was exactly what i said in my last post? PANIC VOTE"
On June 20 2011 00:02 Xedat wrote: It doesn't look like Drazerk wants to martyr himself. I also think his defense is half decent. I actually would like to hear what gtrsrs has to say to the people voting for him. To me it looked like Pyo's first vote on Drazerk was to make the game a bit more livelier and I voted for Drazerk because he didn't respond for that. Right now I don't think that Drazerk is too scummy anymore. I will change my vote to gtrsrs, let's see who will defend him and what his defense is. ##unvote: Drazerk ##vote: gtrsrs
see my post earlier (here) for why this solidified Xedat as scum in my eyes. Drazerk offered NO defense whatsoever, nothing even resembling a defense, but Xedat was all too happy to pull his vote off his scumbuddy now that the pressure was on me instead. with only a handful of posts, none of which have ANY substance, Xedat "doesn't think that Drazerk is too scummy anymore". el oh el.
On June 20 2011 05:46 Xedat wrote: ##unvote gtrsrs ##vote: appruds
I think he has defended himself enough and the tunneling by Drazerk and appruds is a bit too crazy.
wishy washy much? as soon as i claim medic, which you'll remember he asked blues to do ealier in the thread he pulls his vote off me and puts it on aprudds, who is just an over-eager townie. now remember, mafia knows who is town. as long as *someone* was getting lynched, mafia doesn't care. that's why Xedat has been so adamant about lynching someone today instead of doing the smart thing and voting for Lord Vatti.
On June 20 2011 05:48 Xedat wrote: EBWODP: If appruds is not scum gtrsrs probably is scum and not medic. Lets see what the night brings.
an interesting change in position seeing as you told blues to claim if they were being lynched.
On June 20 2011 05:51 Xedat wrote: I don't know what to do anymore. I don't think gtrsrs is mafia by now, why do oyu think Drazerk is more scummy than appruds gtrsrs?
really? last post you said i was scum if aprudds flipped green. THIS IS THE DEFINITION OF WISHY-WASHY SCUM, TRYING TO SPREAD CONFUSION
On June 20 2011 05:55 Xedat wrote: Yes everyone seems to be active right now. My vote stays on appruds, I am going to bed. This is why you don't lynch inactive people day one gtrsrs, at least we have a lot of stuff to work with tommorow. If we had lynched Lord Vatti we would have started with 2 townies down as no one would have said anything worthwhile. See you guys tomorrow.
no, xedat, this is why you lynch the guy who's already going to die. instead of starting with 2 dead townies, we start with 3 and lose a mis-lynch. but of course mafia sees this as a good thing.
On June 20 2011 21:22 Xedat wrote: looks like gtrsrs is scum, and only because you claimed medic does not mean you are a confirmed medic. On Drazerk analyzing me, the first few posts we did was simply to start a discussion, how that is incriminating is beyond me. Second of all, being one if the first persons to vote for someon is not "jumping on a bandwagon." Third of all, if you are town how is changing my vote áway from you scummy in any way? Also, if you think gtrsrs is town why is it scummy to change my vote from him. If he is the medic I would be stupid to vote for him. The other 2 options were you and appruds. In my eyes you were clear, so I had the choice between a claimed medic someone I thought was town and a more scummy player. Of course I vote for the person that is most scummiest to protect our medic. Voting for someone totally different to get the focus away from me would be the scummy way to play. Please town, think for yourself and don't let yourself be led by mafia to an early grave. It is entierly possible that Drazerk and gtrsrs are mafia and do this all to get town cred, but I think it is more probable that only gtrsrs or none of them is mafia.
a nice juicy contradiction-filled post. let's break it down a. 5 posts ago i was town. 3 posts ago i was scum. 2 posts ago i was not scum. now i'm scum again. b. no, being one of the first people to vote for someone after the initial vote is the DEFINITION of "jumping on a bandwagon," sorry. c. now i'm town again, as long as it clears Xedat? d. "If he is the medic I would be stupid to vote for him. " but you don't think i'm the medic. you think i'm scum. but not enough to actually vote for me?
is anyone else reading this?
On June 21 2011 02:53 Xedat wrote: So who is mafia in your book gtrsrs? Accusing everyone? You said that between Xedat, Drazerk, CjrNinja and appruds there are 100% percent 3 mafioso. And now suddenly Pyo is mafia too? Why don't you say anything about appruds? Lets face it people, gtrsrs is very scummy, take everything he says with a grain of salt and don't just believe him.
who is mafia in my books? Xedat, Drazerk and then someone else. i can't tell if Pyo is being a bad sport or a clever mafia. thinking back, it's unlikely for all three mafia to jump on the bandwagon immediately, that would be too obvious. so i'm feeling CjrNinja less and less. it's still a possibility however.
as for saying things about aprudds, don't gloss over my posts. IMMEDIATELY after Drazerk jumped ship off me and onto aprudds, i asked people to take their votes of aprudds. it was an extremely blatant scumtell and the town didn't pick up on it. i feel bad for aprudds. he was trying to play like me in a situation where it was unneeded, and it made HIM look really scummy. you and Drazerk orchestrated a voteswing at the last minute before people could pull their votes off of aprudds.
town, to me it is very obvious that Xedat is scum. i think Drazerk is as well, but i feel like Xedat is the better vote here. i know this now looks like 2 days in a row that i've soft-defended Drazerk, but that's not the case i swear. hopefully this is enough for you guys to put your vote on the obvious mafia
On June 22 2011 02:58 Xedat wrote: I would also like to chime in and say that gtrsrs' bad mannered style makes me not want to play the game. But he also did it when he was town so that does not mean he is scum. Just check if he signs up to the same game you do, I will.
On June 20 2011 00:02 Xedat wrote: It doesn't look like Drazerk wants to martyr himself. I also think his defense is half decent. I actually would like to hear what gtrsrs has to say to the people voting for him. To me it looked like Pyo's first vote on Drazerk was to make the game a bit more livelier and I voted for Drazerk because he didn't respond for that. Right now I don't think that Drazerk is too scummy anymore. I will change my vote to gtrsrs, let's see who will defend him and what his defense is. ##unvote: Drazerk ##vote: gtrsrs
see my post earlier (here) for why this solidified Xedat as scum in my eyes. Drazerk offered NO defense whatsoever, nothing even resembling a defense, but Xedat was all too happy to pull his vote off his scumbuddy now that the pressure was on me instead. with only a handful of posts, none of which have ANY substance, Xedat "doesn't think that Drazerk is too scummy anymore". el oh el.
also, whoops, forgot to hyperlink. that should read:
see my post earlier (here) for why this solidified Xedat as scum in my eyes
On June 22 2011 02:58 Xedat wrote: I would also like to chime in and say that gtrsrs' bad mannered style makes me not want to play the game. But he also did it when he was town so that does not mean he is scum. Just check if he signs up to the same game you do, I will.
play to win, don't play to make friends
There's a huge difference between playing to win/not playing to make friends and being huge jackass.
On June 22 2011 02:45 gtrsrs wrote: >feigning disinterest, check >saying you won't help the town any more, check >laying out your voting pattern before any evidence is presented, check >voting for the 4 most pro-town players first, check >leaving the 2 confirmed mafia for 5th and 7th votes, respectively, check
On June 22 2011 03:36 Pyo wrote: There's a huge difference between playing to win/not playing to make friends and being huge jackass.
>ignoring my analysis of your scumbuddy, check >derailing the thread with petty 1-liner insults, check
On June 22 2011 02:45 gtrsrs wrote: duly noted scum
On June 22 2011 02:45 gtrsrs wrote: >feigning disinterest, check >saying you won't help the town any more, check >laying out your voting pattern before any evidence is presented, check >voting for the 4 most pro-town players first, check >leaving the 2 confirmed mafia for 5th and 7th votes, respectively, check
- I assure you that my acquired disinterest for this game is quite real
- I'm not saying I won't help town any more; I'm saying that it is beyond hope.
- I gave my reasons for my future voting patterns.
- 4 most pro-town players? what? first of all, according to whom? you? right. Just because someone says they are town doesn't mean that they are.
- 2 confirmed mafia for 5th and 7th? what? As far as I can tell the only confirmed mafia is you.
On June 22 2011 04:05 Pyo wrote: - 2 confirmed mafia for 5th and 7th? what? As far as I can tell the only confirmed mafia is you.
the whole town knows that drazerk is mafia, and i just made a waterproof case against xedat. i'm the medic as has been established repeatedly. if you think i'm mafia make a case, I WILL GLADLY REFUTE IT. stop trying to muck up the thread and lead town away from lynching reds.
if you're so disinterested in the game, get a sub. you're not helping town with your current posts, and voting for the confirmed medic. if you won't get a sub, you're feigning disinterest because you're mafia.
On June 22 2011 03:43 gtrsrs wrote: >ignoring my analysis of your scumbuddy, check >derailing the thread with petty 1-liner insults, check
what analysis? you mean your incoherent spam? right.
You began by sort of laying low until you were called out on it. Then you went into hyper ass hole mode. And when people actually believed that you're the medic, you proceeded to try and tell everyone what to do. You aren't doing analysis, you're just trying to dictate what the town does. If you really were the medic, then you have no more information about who is what than anyone else, and less information than the DT (assuming both you and alderan are telling the truth). Everything about what you're doing screams scum, yet it's almost incomprehensible that a mafia would so brazen about it. My only conclusion is that you're a terrible asshole of a townie or an ego-tripping mafia for having convinced people to change their minds after claiming medic.
Either way, trying to analyze your incoherent posting is just pissing me off in a "fuck this game I can't stand this jack-ass" sort of way.
On June 22 2011 04:10 gtrsrs wrote: if you're so disinterested in the game, get a sub. you're not helping town with your current posts, and voting for the confirmed medic. if you won't get a sub, you're feigning disinterest because you're mafia.
Gladly. If there are any subs available, I'd be more than happy to step out. In the event that there aren't any subs, I'll continue to post my required post/vote so I don't jeopardize my ability to participate in future mafia games.
On June 22 2011 03:43 gtrsrs wrote: >ignoring my analysis of your scumbuddy, check >derailing the thread with petty 1-liner insults, check
what analysis? you mean your incoherent spam? right.
You began by sort of laying low until you were called out on it. Then you went into hyper ass hole mode. And when people actually believed that you're the medic, you proceeded to try and tell everyone what to do. You aren't doing analysis, you're just trying to dictate what the town does. If you really were the medic, then you have no more information about who is what than anyone else, and less information than the DT (assuming both you and alderan are telling the truth). Everything about what you're doing screams scum, yet it's almost incomprehensible that a mafia would so brazen about it. My only conclusion is that you're a terrible asshole of a townie or an ego-tripping mafia for having convinced people to change their minds after claiming medic.
Either way, trying to analyze your incoherent posting is just pissing me off in a "fuck this game I can't stand this jack-ass" sort of way.
i don't have any *more* information about xedat than anyone else. luckily, he's laid out his guilty plainly in the thread so we *all* can see it.
i laid low because i was blue. i tried to get the town to lynch Lord Vatti because i did the math and we had only a 30% chance of hitting a mafia on day 1. WHY WOULDN'T WE TAKE A FREE DAY? trying to spin that as pro-mafia is so bass-ackwards i don't know what to say.
cut the petty insults and step your game up, or get a sub. when you leave we can chalk my number up to 2 mafia i've made rage-quit with my unrelenting correctness
On June 22 2011 04:10 gtrsrs wrote: if you're so disinterested in the game, get a sub. you're not helping town with your current posts, and voting for the confirmed medic. if you won't get a sub, you're feigning disinterest because you're mafia.
Gladly. If there are any subs available, I'd be more than happy to step out. In the event that there aren't any subs, I'll continue to post my required post/vote so I don't jeopardize my ability to participate in future mafia games.
I'll see what I can do, but it dosn't appear like I have any available right now. If you are *that* annoyed and will not enjoy the game you may back out of the game at the end of this cycle (dawn of day 3), with no repercussions, I'm not going to force anyone to have a horrible time in what is supposed to be a fun game. PM me if you wish to discuss it further.
I also remind everyone that flaming, in either direction, is 100% not acceptable.
Oh man it's incredibly difficult with you guys... It's so hard to separate between newbs and scum. The newbs act extremely suspicious. The consequence is that like 60% of the players are suspicious. Xedat/Drazerk/Alderan/CjrNinja/Treadmill I really don't know what to think about you guys. I just see you guys bandwagoning around. But we can't just lynch you all in a small game like this. We are 2 lynches away from losing. You guys have to realize this!
Can you please post some more thought out posts? It would really help us. We have to stick together in order to beat the mafia at this point. If everyone is only interested in surviving, we can't and won't win this. Xedat, it would be great if you post some explanations for your behavior. Especially the posts I quoted in my last post.
On June 21 2011 07:47 supersoft wrote: I have to agree, Xedat is pretty suspicious. I just went trough all his posts.
at first, he just makes some useless posts, no accuses, just a little bandwagoning here and there. In fact he first voted on Drazerk, switched to gtrsrs and switched again to aprudds. Not a reason to call him scum (I also switched twice :D) What made me consider that he's mafia is his recent behavior. Since people started accusing him, he changed dramatically:
On June 20 2011 21:22 Xedat wrote: looks like gtrsrs is scum, and only because you claimed medic does not mean you are a confirmed medic. On Drazerk analyzing me, the first few posts we did was simply to start a discussion, how that is incriminating is beyond me. Second of all, being one if the first persons to vote for someon is not "jumping on a bandwagon." Third of all, if you are town how is changing my vote áway from you scummy in any way? Also, if you think gtrsrs is town why is it scummy to change my vote from him. If he is the medic I would be stupid to vote for him. The other 2 options were you and appruds. In my eyes you were clear, so I had the choice between a claimed medic someone I thought was town and a more scummy player. Of course I vote for the person that is most scummiest to protect our medic. Voting for someone totally different to get the focus away from me would be the scummy way to play.
Please town, think for yourself and don't let yourself be led by mafia to an early grave.
It is entierly possible that Drazerk and gtrsrs are mafia and do this all to get town cred, but I think it is more probable that only gtrsrs or none of them is mafia.
Note this: "Please town, think for yourself and don't let yourself be led by mafia to an early grave." .... third person... Well I don't know, I might be wrong, but I think he meant: "You idiots, I didn't act suspicious at all."
On June 21 2011 02:53 Xedat wrote: So who is mafia in your book gtrsrs? Accusing everyone? You said that between Xedat, Drazerk, CjrNinja and appruds there are 100% percent 3 mafioso. And now suddenly Pyo is mafia too? Why don't you say anything about appruds? Lets face it people, gtrsrs is very scummy, take everything he says with a grain of salt and don't just believe him.
Also this one. "you call me scum? You are scum yourself!" All in all, Xedat is the most obvious choice even more than Drazerk and gtrsrs. I am not sure about both. They were both under heavy pressure and posted some suspicious/strange things... ##vote: Xedat
I also would be really glad if someone could sum up the accuses against gtrsrs, that are still valid. He was accused of being too passive. Explanation for that would be, that he is our medic. Does someone have something real against him, or are his "voters" just scum that wants to create a suspicious situation around him by just voting him and claiming he's scum, hoping for a bandwagon? Pyo please, you seem pretty reasonable. Don't take this game too personal. You have to stay focussed. Work something out, and don't be just pissed about the fact, that gtrsrs wasn't lynched at day1.
gtrsrs has basically been trying to run the game, and have the town not get anywhere. Day one targetting Lord Vatti, which accomplishes nothing for town. Then getting people to bandwagon aprudds when he was one of the least scummy players in the game. And then he switched his vote at the last minute, when aprudds had enough votes to get lynched anyways, and tried to deny going after aprudds. He also derailed teh town when there was pretty good case against Drazerk, and defended Drazerk - and then denied defending Drazerk. He's also been targetting and tunnelling Xedat and pretty much ignoring everything else. And last his flame-war with Drazerk has been just a massive amount of spam and nonsense that does nothing for town.
The personal attacks, insults, talking down to other players, cursing at each other, etc. needs to stop IMMEDIATELY. And I mean even offhand insults like highlighting your/you're mistakes. I don't care if you think they are scum. At the end of the day, you SHOULD be making friends here. This is a community. We play more than one game together. Games should be fun. You should play to win, but doing so by alienating other players is taking things too far.
I will support Ban List Ban/Warning requests GMarshal and Mataza make for the behavior I listed above. Take this as a final warning. Such behavior is not tolerated here.
Remember:
On June 13 2011 04:00 GMarshal wrote: Inappropriate posts: If you want to post something insulting or inappropriate and know the TL mods would have a problem with it elsewhere, don't post it here. If you do, a host will warn you or modkill you and request that you be banned from future games. The hosts have the final say on what is inappropriate. If you do not like how someone is talking to you, please PM a host, Qatol, or Flamewheel before involving the TL staff. If you are unsatisfied with how the situation is resolved, then you can appeal to the TL staff normally.
Ugh. I think this thread has now gotten quiet cause of libel chill. Please post more if you can manage to without ad hominems.
The vote count so far, as I see it: gtrsrs Pyo Treadmill Xedat
Xedat supersoft Drazerk gtrsrs
Drazerk freeloader625
Yet to vote: Alderan CjrNinja
Please, if you're town, post more - especially Alderan and CjrNinja. Also, ignore gtrsrs and Drazerk, they're trying to shut down any conversation because they're scum.
No, I won't be ignoring anyone Treadmill, if you don't mind. Funny how you and Xedat are both telling everyone to ignore certain people but to also think for ourselves and come to our own conclusions.
You also got your facts wrong: Gtrsrs did NOT get people to bandwagon aprudds. After everyone trashed his idea of voting for Lord Vatti, he tried to convince people to lynch Drazerk, as he was suspecting him to start with.
Just saw that the final day one votecount said gtrsrs voted for aprudds when he had actually revoted drazerk. It should be edited so that people referencing it are given a correct votelist.
Also, apologies to gtrsrs for voting you. Had I been awake and reading your medic claim at 4:55am when you posted it, as well as your other posts, I would have changed my vote.
Ok, with that out of the way:
My vote tonight will be for Xedat.
Allow me to place these 4 posts next to each other:
On June 20 2011 00:02 Xedat wrote: It doesn't look like Drazerk wants to martyr himself. I also think his defense is half decent. I actually would like to hear what gtrsrs has to say to the people voting for him. To me it looked like Pyo's first vote on Drazerk was to make the game a bit more livelier and I voted for Drazerk because he didn't respond for that. Right now I don't think that Drazerk is too scummy anymore. I will change my vote to gtrsrs, let's see who will defend him and what his defense is.
##unvote: Drazerk
##vote: gtrsrs
On June 20 2011 05:46 Xedat wrote: ##unvote gtrsrs
##vote: appruds I think he has defended himself enough and the tunneling by Drazerk and appruds is a bit too crazy.
On June 20 2011 05:51 Xedat wrote: I don't know what to do anymore. I don't think gtrsrs is mafia by now, why do oyu think Drazerk is more scummy than appruds gtrsrs?
On June 21 2011 16:45 Xedat wrote: I still think gtrsrs is scum. And me attacking you is not being wishy washy gtrsrs.
##vote: gtrsrs
Look at the first post! He doesn't make any accusations towards gtr, he types up a shitty paragraph 'defending' drazerk (which has already been pulled apart) then votes him, without a reason, without any indications that he thinks gtr is scum. He's bandwagoning, under the pretense that his drazerk 'defense' is reasonable grounds to justify his votechange.
Look at the second post! Now that the bandwagon is changing to aprudds, and he doesn't want to get caught on a votelist where he lynches a blue, it looks like it is time to jump onto that one! "The tunneling by Drazerk and aprudds is a little too crazy." It's not even a reason or an accusation that aprudds is scum, just an observation. He's bandwagoning again.
Look at the third post! You never thought Gtr was scummy in the first place. At all. You voted bandwagoned him, but you did not once provide any evidence or reasoning of him being scum!
Look at the last post! Now look at his first three posts. Now look at what I just said^^. Now look at the last post again. I'll say it again: Xedat has joined both the gtrsrs and aprudds bandwagons, made no accusations against either of them until the next day!
Find the common word in the previous 4 paragraphs. (Hint: it's bandwagoning). What do scum do to get someone lynched? They bandwagon. We need to lynch mafia today. I can say with certainty that Xedat is the scum we need to get town back on the way to winning.
Just to be clear, my earlier post was directed at everyone. Do not call someone's writing "shitty." Pick it apart and show why it is false / poor logic or just point out that it has been picked apart and should not be considered. There is no reason to insult the writing of other players. Attack the message, not the person.
On June 22 2011 13:07 CjrNinja wrote: Sorry, wasn't trying to insult Xedat ._.
No problem, just try to be mindful of that kind of stuff in the future. It devolves into flamewars/ hurt feelings a little too easily and there's no reason for it.
I should apologize too for being a bit impolitic at times. Hopefully we can all clean things up a bit.
@CjrNinja, you're right, gtrsrs didn't call for people to bandwagon aprudds, I misinterpreted that - he did, however, vote for him. I was wrong about that.
I'm starting to have some doubts about gtrsrs being mafia but his posting in general has been so anti-town that I'm having trouble seeing him as innocent.
@flamewheel: that was literally the cutest thing. and i hate cats. but OMG KEUT.
@mods: sorry again in advance for any insults. i've really tried to reign them in since day 1 and i will continue to think twice before hitting the "post" button.
@town: sorry to all for being so overly rude this game. as i've stated multiple times, i was trying to play conservatively this game since i rolled blue. since most of you have relatively little experience, i can see why my change in posting style might have raised some alarms. @freeloader especially, sorry i unloaded on you. i was just so frustrated because obviously to myself, my actions make perfect sense. that being said, i will NOT apologize for playing aggressively now. my whole life i've only derived pleasure from winning, be it in high school sports, league of legends, or even forum mafia. if i'm losing i'm not having fun, so if you make a bad argument or contradict yourself, i will badger you into submission; i will just make sure to not attack you as a person as a way to get my point across.
okay, mushy stuff is over, 1, 2, 3, BREAK! LET'S GET 'EM TEAM
CjrNinja, that's excellent analysis, i'm glad we're on the same page. like i said earlier, upon re-thinking, i thought it would be *too* convenient for all three mafia to jump on my bandwagon with little-to-no-impetus. 2 i can buy, drazerk and xedat have made their alignment pretty clear, but it would be a bit too convenient for all 3 to expose themselves so easily. i'm happy to take you off my FoS list for now :D
On June 22 2011 15:07 Treadmill wrote: I'm starting to have some doubts about gtrsrs being mafia but his posting in general has been so anti-town that I'm having trouble seeing him as innocent.
can i ask, with respect, what part of my posting has been "so anti-town"? that's the part i'm struggling to get. i can explain anything i've posted, and i'm happy to defend anything you're suspicious of.
@gtrsrs: you've been basically trying to get in charge of the town and have been flaming everyone who disagrees with you. and you've been trying to lead the town nowhere (Lord Vatti lynch) and into accomplishing nothing. At this point even if Xedat flips town I'm gonna still suspect that you're just bussing him to gain townie cred.
Okay, I will try to defend myself, but as most of you have red glasses on when reading my post I don't think this game will be possible to win for town.
supersoft asked me to answer his post so I will do that first:
On June 21 2011 07:47 supersoft wrote: I have to agree, Xedat is pretty suspicious. I just went trough all his posts.
at first, he just makes some useless posts, no accuses, just a little bandwagoning here and there. In fact he first voted on Drazerk, switched to gtrsrs and switched again to aprudds. Not a reason to call him scum (I also switched twice :D) What made me consider that he's mafia is his recent behavior. Since people started accusing him, he changed dramatically:
On June 20 2011 21:22 Xedat wrote: looks like gtrsrs is scum, and only because you claimed medic does not mean you are a confirmed medic. On Drazerk analyzing me, the first few posts we did was simply to start a discussion, how that is incriminating is beyond me. Second of all, being one if the first persons to vote for someon is not "jumping on a bandwagon." Third of all, if you are town how is changing my vote áway from you scummy in any way? Also, if you think gtrsrs is town why is it scummy to change my vote from him. If he is the medic I would be stupid to vote for him. The other 2 options were you and appruds. In my eyes you were clear, so I had the choice between a claimed medic someone I thought was town and a more scummy player. Of course I vote for the person that is most scummiest to protect our medic. Voting for someone totally different to get the focus away from me would be the scummy way to play.
Please town, think for yourself and don't let yourself be led by mafia to an early grave.
It is entierly possible that Drazerk and gtrsrs are mafia and do this all to get town cred, but I think it is more probable that only gtrsrs or none of them is mafia.
Note this: "Please town, think for yourself and don't let yourself be led by mafia to an early grave." .... third person... Well I don't know, I might be wrong, but I think he meant: "You idiots, I didn't act suspicious at all."
Referring to town in third person is pretty normal and I just copied other players. It is the same as if I had said "please everyone".
Also this: - Hide Spoiler - On June 21 2011 02:53 Xedat wrote: So who is mafia in your book gtrsrs? Accusing everyone? You said that between Xedat, Drazerk, CjrNinja and appruds there are 100% percent 3 mafioso. And now suddenly Pyo is mafia too? Why don't you say anything about appruds? Lets face it people, gtrsrs is very scummy, take everything he says with a grain of salt and don't just believe him.
Also this one. "you call me scum? You are scum yourself!" All in all, Xedat is the most obvious choice even more than Drazerk and gtrsrs. I am not sure about both. They were both under heavy pressure and posted some suspicious/strange things...
I call the person I find most scummy scum, not because he calls me scum, but that has something to do with it. I know I am not scum and now we know appruds is not scum, crninja is inactive but not that scummy, me not changing my vote from Drazerk might have been a mistake, but at that moment I did not find him scummy, now I am undecided. So between 4 players where he thinks 3 are 100% scum I know 2 are not 100% one is simply inactive and about one I am unsure. Of course I think it is scummy for him to just accuse everyone, as it makes a bad atmosphere for discussion. Also I know that he sucks in his analysis because I know that he is wrong at least 50% of the time, which is not much better than random lynching.
##vote: Xedat
Again, I want to reiterate that town wants to have a lot of discussion, with everyone having to say useful things so that no one can hide between the inactives. Supersoft, you just told me I accused gtrsrs of being scum because he accused me, but look at gtrsrs' posts. Everyone who defends me or drazerk in the slightest way or even just disagrees with him is immediately told that he is scum. How many people did gtrsrs accuse by now? He is trying to make a bad atmosphere for discussion and tries to make himself the leader, a clear scum play.
Also, I want to explain why everyone voting for Lord Vatti is a bad idea and a scum plan: The game mafia lives from discussion and analyzing peoples posts and votes for their intentions. Gtrsrs says that we lose a player when we not lynch the inactive one. This is only correct on the surface. In reality what we want is information. Consider these three scenarios and think for yourself which is best for town:
Day 1, 13 players, no discussion, no information (this is the start)
Day 2, 11 players, we all lynched the modkill, so no discussion, no information (its like the start with 2 less town)
Day 2, 10 players, we lynched the scummiest one, lots of discussion, lots of information (If you don't think this is best for town you are scum.)
If anyone still thinks that gtrsrs' plan was great he should over think it.
Now to gtrsrs' accusations. I am referring to this post, Its in the spoiler.
On June 21 2011 16:45 Xedat wrote: I still think gtrsrs is scum. And me attacking you is not being wishy washy gtrsrs.
##vote: gtrsrs
really now, do you? it's funny that you say "still" because as far as i can tell you've never actually thought i was scum let's take a stroll through your posts shall we
On June 17 2011 07:32 Xedat wrote: Another question: Are dead mafia players allowed to give advice/talk in the mafia Quicktopic?
didn't notice this til now. why would a town ever need to know this? not enough to be suspicious of someone but it sure does lend credibility to my case.
On June 18 2011 19:10 Xedat wrote: Generic post not to be modkilled..... To say one last word to the setup discussion, I think blues should only claim when they are being lynched or if they think outing themselves will help town. Now, as we need to pressure someone, Drazerk, why do you bring the focus away from freeloader immediately and try to incriminate 3 people who haven't posted hours after the game started. Trying to protect your scumbuddy?
On June 18 2011 23:00 Xedat wrote: Yeah, I am not actually suspecting you, just tried to get someone talking. We will see if someone slips something stupid, otherwise it will be a random lynch tomorrow I think.
these two posts reek of scummy wishy-washiness. he fake accuses Drazerk and then before anyone can take it seriously, he backs off it. "oh no no i wasn't actually accusing him lol LET'S WAIT FOR SCUM TO SLIP"
On June 19 2011 17:31 Xedat wrote: I agree that we should not waste our lynch on an inactive player. I find it quite strange that Drazerk does not really defend himself after it looks like he is to be lynched. There has been a lot of discussion about him and I think lynching the most talked about player actually has some merit, as it will help us scumhunting. As others have said, just waiting until someone slips is not a winning strategy.
If you are under fire, please defend yourself properly. I know that it is pretty difficult on day one, but saying nothing is the worst you can do.
##vote: Drazerk
"wait for scum to slip? that's the dumbest thing anyone's ever said lol!! oh, it was exactly what i said in my last post? PANIC VOTE"
On June 20 2011 00:02 Xedat wrote: It doesn't look like Drazerk wants to martyr himself. I also think his defense is half decent. I actually would like to hear what gtrsrs has to say to the people voting for him. To me it looked like Pyo's first vote on Drazerk was to make the game a bit more livelier and I voted for Drazerk because he didn't respond for that. Right now I don't think that Drazerk is too scummy anymore. I will change my vote to gtrsrs, let's see who will defend him and what his defense is. ##unvote: Drazerk ##vote: gtrsrs
see my post earlier (here) for why this solidified Xedat as scum in my eyes. Drazerk offered NO defense whatsoever, nothing even resembling a defense, but Xedat was all too happy to pull his vote off his scumbuddy now that the pressure was on me instead. with only a handful of posts, none of which have ANY substance, Xedat "doesn't think that Drazerk is too scummy anymore". el oh el.
On June 20 2011 05:46 Xedat wrote: ##unvote gtrsrs ##vote: appruds
I think he has defended himself enough and the tunneling by Drazerk and appruds is a bit too crazy.
wishy washy much? as soon as i claim medic, which you'll remember he asked blues to do ealier in the thread he pulls his vote off me and puts it on aprudds, who is just an over-eager townie. now remember, mafia knows who is town. as long as *someone* was getting lynched, mafia doesn't care. that's why Xedat has been so adamant about lynching someone today instead of doing the smart thing and voting for Lord Vatti.
On June 20 2011 05:51 Xedat wrote: I don't know what to do anymore. I don't think gtrsrs is mafia by now, why do oyu think Drazerk is more scummy than appruds gtrsrs?
really? last post you said i was scum if aprudds flipped green. THIS IS THE DEFINITION OF WISHY-WASHY SCUM, TRYING TO SPREAD CONFUSION
On June 20 2011 05:55 Xedat wrote: Yes everyone seems to be active right now. My vote stays on appruds, I am going to bed. This is why you don't lynch inactive people day one gtrsrs, at least we have a lot of stuff to work with tommorow. If we had lynched Lord Vatti we would have started with 2 townies down as no one would have said anything worthwhile. See you guys tomorrow.
no, xedat, this is why you lynch the guy who's already going to die. instead of starting with 2 dead townies, we start with 3 and lose a mis-lynch. but of course mafia sees this as a good thing.
On June 20 2011 21:22 Xedat wrote: looks like gtrsrs is scum, and only because you claimed medic does not mean you are a confirmed medic. On Drazerk analyzing me, the first few posts we did was simply to start a discussion, how that is incriminating is beyond me. Second of all, being one if the first persons to vote for someon is not "jumping on a bandwagon." Third of all, if you are town how is changing my vote áway from you scummy in any way? Also, if you think gtrsrs is town why is it scummy to change my vote from him. If he is the medic I would be stupid to vote for him. The other 2 options were you and appruds. In my eyes you were clear, so I had the choice between a claimed medic someone I thought was town and a more scummy player. Of course I vote for the person that is most scummiest to protect our medic. Voting for someone totally different to get the focus away from me would be the scummy way to play. Please town, think for yourself and don't let yourself be led by mafia to an early grave. It is entierly possible that Drazerk and gtrsrs are mafia and do this all to get town cred, but I think it is more probable that only gtrsrs or none of them is mafia.
a nice juicy contradiction-filled post. let's break it down a. 5 posts ago i was town. 3 posts ago i was scum. 2 posts ago i was not scum. now i'm scum again. b. no, being one of the first people to vote for someone after the initial vote is the DEFINITION of "jumping on a bandwagon," sorry. c. now i'm town again, as long as it clears Xedat? d. "If he is the medic I would be stupid to vote for him. " but you don't think i'm the medic. you think i'm scum. but not enough to actually vote for me?
On June 21 2011 02:53 Xedat wrote: So who is mafia in your book gtrsrs? Accusing everyone? You said that between Xedat, Drazerk, CjrNinja and appruds there are 100% percent 3 mafioso. And now suddenly Pyo is mafia too? Why don't you say anything about appruds? Lets face it people, gtrsrs is very scummy, take everything he says with a grain of salt and don't just believe him.
who is mafia in my books? Xedat, Drazerk and then someone else. i can't tell if Pyo is being a bad sport or a clever mafia. thinking back, it's unlikely for all three mafia to jump on the bandwagon immediately, that would be too obvious. so i'm feeling CjrNinja less and less. it's still a possibility however.
as for saying things about aprudds, don't gloss over my posts. IMMEDIATELY after Drazerk jumped ship off me and onto aprudds, i asked people to take their votes of aprudds. it was an extremely blatant scumtell and the town didn't pick up on it. i feel bad for aprudds. he was trying to play like me in a situation where it was unneeded, and it made HIM look really scummy. you and Drazerk orchestrated a voteswing at the last minute before people could pull their votes off of aprudds.
town, to me it is very obvious that Xedat is scum. i think Drazerk is as well, but i feel like Xedat is the better vote here. i know this now looks like 2 days in a row that i've soft-defended Drazerk, but that's not the case i swear. hopefully this is enough for you guys to put your vote on the obvious mafia
##vote: Xedat
His first accusation, me wanting information what mafia can do when they die is also an obvious scumtell. He tries to incriminate me with playing mafia style for asking questions, well guess what this was before the roles were even sent to the players. I bit this was only a mistake by gtrsrs (not) and he did not try to make his case against me better by lying (he did). I can only quote mafia master Ace, when he said: " Priority 0: Shoot liars. Some players still try and spin these stupid fairy tales saying that lying helps the town. They also believe Voldemort is real. Don't listen to them. Without going in depth about why lying is bad just follow this statement - SHOOT first." This refers to vigilantes, but is still relevant for town.
I wont break down his whole post, I will describe to you how I experienced day 1 so you can read my intentions:
First I accuse Drazerk a bit, without him having said anything really incriminating, to get discussion going. I stop after 3 posts or so because his posting seemed pretty normal and tell him I just accused him for getting a discussion going. Pyo seems to have picked on to something and votes for him, I also vote for him as the second? person to put him under pressure. (did I think he was overly suspicious? No, and I already told you, this is important for getting discussion going.) Drazerk posts some more and I don't think we get anything more out of him, for the slight suspicion I had against him he did not respond very scummy. On the other hand, there is one person who reacts very scummily to accusations against him. Its gtrsrs. Read through his posts when everyone votes for him. He is screaming like a wounded kitty thinking it is a lion. He accuses everyone and insults everyone desperatly trying to stay alive. This seemed scummy to me because it is extremely anti town (bad atmosphere). His whole demeanor was that of a bloated ego mafia trying anything to stay alive. Of course, I vote for him. ( gtrsrs tries to make it look like I just randomly jumped on bandwagons, which simply is not true. Every time I changed my vote the situation had changed significantly.) Then, in a desperate last attempt to save himself he says he is the medic. To make the situation clear to you, I voted for gtrsrs, then went on the train with no internet to go to my parents to attend private matters. At the evening, shortly before voting ends I have time to attend the game. I read most of the posts ( I think I didn't read page 15 before voting, no time) and see he claimed medic, while also saying me, Drazerk, appruds and crninja are the most obvious scum ("3 of them are 100% scum"). As I said I know I am not scum and I didn't think Drazerk was, I didn't think anything about crninja or appruds, so I looked for whom most people voted and it was appruds. Was this an educated decision of which I thought longly? No, I just wanted to save the medic. To make it clear, my vote was the one saving gtrsrs and I think had I not switched to the one with the highest votes after him (appruds) he would have been lynched regardless. This was a crystal clear town move to save the medic. But, on the other hand, there was his suspicious behavior, his reaction after being voted for, so I wrote that if appruds is town, gtrsrs is probably scum. When you have 2 clear candidates like appruds and gtrsrs, one or the other is scum most of the time, so I wrote what was my experience.
After appruds flipped town the next logical step was that gtrsrs is mafia, so I wrote that in the night. Then I said that I still think that gtrsrs is mafia and I voted for him on the day.
To make it clear again, on the beginning of the day some people are voted for, the one that reacts the most ridiculously defensively is (which is very scummy) is gtrsrs, so I vote for him. Then he claims medic, I save him by switching my vote to the next highest, saying gtrsrs scummy when appruds is town. This happens and I say it incriminates gtrsrs a lot, then voting for him.
Gtrsrs tries to make it look like I am "wishy washy", which means that I am unclear in my posting. In opposition of that I said he is scummy and only changed my vote for him when he claimed medic, then seeing that this was a mafia trick and saying I am still suspicious of him. This is not wishy washy.
If there are any specific thing I should answer, ask them, but please don't try to read everything I say as if I can only be mafia, or everything I do will be in vain.
On June 22 2011 16:24 Treadmill wrote: @gtrsrs: you've been basically trying to get in charge of the town and have been flaming everyone who disagrees with you. and you've been trying to lead the town nowhere (Lord Vatti lynch) and into accomplishing nothing. At this point even if Xedat flips town I'm gonna still suspect that you're just bussing him to gain townie cred.
tell me EXACTLY how random-lynching aprudds helped us more than lynching Lord Vatti would have? it gave us 1 fewer mislynch, and 1 fewer day before mafia can potentially win. i don't see how this is so hard for you to understand, honestly. you're a smart guy.
but once more for clarity i will lay it out for you
>we had an obvious AFKer >we had NO solid leads on mafia >we had 70% chance to lynch a townie, 10-20% chance to lynch a blue (which you almost did) >i push for us to NOT take the extremely high chance to lynch a townie, and everyone labels that as scummy
12-man game with 1 mafia KP per night, 1 lynch per day. assuming a mislynch every day, we only have 3 days before mafia wins. and everyone wants to RUSH THAT by another day by killing 2 townies in 1 day?
my desire to give us an extra day (and in turn, an extra night ding ding i'm the medic hellooo) wasn't so we could "wait around for mafia to kill us." it was the opposite. instead of rushing really poor (statistic-wise) lynches, i wanted to buy extra nights for me to make saves.
imagine you had lynched me day 1 and i hadn't claimed. you know what you would be saying right now? "wow we're really fucked, we should have listened to gtrsrs." don't say you wouldn't. hindsight is 20/20. the fact that the mafia left me alive (their goal - leave an easy lynch for town) is going to bite them in the ass because lo and behold i have another night to make a save.
as for leading the town nowhere, that's just a load of malarky. i have given plenty of watertight evidence to lynch Xedat. when the time comes, i'll lay out an irrefutable case against drazerk too. i don't think it will be necessary since he's transparent and the town is ready to lynch him today anyways, but i'll do it.
i was forced to claim, but my claim will end up helping the town. hopefully if the DT has any sense, he didn't waste a check on me, drazerk, or xedat. i'm assuming he checked you, pyo, supersoft, or one of the other townies that hasn't been accused of anything yet, and got a green. one of you has to be mafia, so when he knows, he'll let us know.
what i'm getting at here is, you need to take your focus off of me and find the other scum. let go of the day 1 bullshit, i got pushed into that and did what i had to do to stay alive. xedat and drazerk are both 100% scum and i'm willing to take full responsibility for the town loss if they aren't. once we get 2 scum down, we'll have much much better numbers and you can systematically lynch me if you still feel that i bussed both of my teammates. how does that sound?
@gtrsrs: How high is the chance of you actually saving someone in the first night? 1/11. That is worst than a random lynch. As to why lynching the inactive guy is bad, read my post.
I was originally going to ask "Is it still to late to sub in? / Is it possible to be on the replacement list?"
But after reading everything, I rather not butt myself in the conversations haha.
I enjoy reading Mafia threads, but never played one forum style before. I, instead of replacing somebody, will rather wait until next/future games to start playing my first game :D
As for now, continue with the cases! I'll still be lurking in the background along with the other Mafia games haha
I have kept my vote off of Drazerk untill this point while I assessed the other arguments.
I don't get the Xedat lynch at all, I think it is painfully obvious that he is just not a very effective town. I am confident he will flip green, in which case we will have a pretty good list to choose from as it's highly possible at least 2 scum jumped on him.
The gtsrs vote seems like ONLY a reaction to his initial anger, his play has switched, and not because he is mafia but I think he genuinely realizes that it's not acceptable, and derails noobtown too easily.
My vote for Drazerk his based more on when he does not post as opposed to what he is voting. At the begining of the day he took a bunch of heat, when people realized it was either gtsrs or Drazerk so he naturally did what scum would do, which is to buddy to gtsrs. When everyone jumped on hisXedat bandwagon he hid, because Drazerk not saying anything has been better for his survival than when he's been actively posting.
drazerk can just swing his vote off of xedat at the end of the day onto me, to put me in the lead 4-3. freeloader or alderan you need to vote for xedat
interesting. i think the case against xedat is stronger. i'd prefer to lynch him today. i wonder what happens when drazerk pulls his vote off of xedat now. it's a 3way tie then. i think technically i hit 3 votes first, but does that "first" get reset now that i'm at 2? would xedat now be the new "first" to hit 3? or does something else happen in a 3-way tie?
On June 23 2011 04:51 gtrsrs wrote: gtrsrs (2) Pyo Xedat
Xedat (4) supersoft Drazerk gtrsrs CjrNinja
Drazerk (3) freeloader625 Alderan Drazerk
interesting. i think the case against xedat is stronger. i'd prefer to lynch him today. i wonder what happens when drazerk pulls his vote off of xedat now. it's a 3way tie then. i think technically i hit 3 votes first, but does that "first" get reset now that i'm at 2? would xedat now be the new "first" to hit 3? or does something else happen in a 3-way tie?
if Drazerk were to put his vote on you, Xedat would still have majority as he had four votes (meaning he was the person with the most votes, so he held majority) and he never had less votes than anyone, so he is still considered to be holding the majority. Essentially the person that was in the lead last is considered to still be in the lead in the case of a tie.
It was clear to the town that lynching people was not working, they had already lynched an innocent, another more innovative technique was necessary, one that was less prone to failure. After a few hours of bickering it was determined that throwing the person to be executed off the tower at the center of town would be a much more elegant solution. One that would guarantee the death of mafia, I mean if one were *truly* a townie, one would be able to fly, right?
That difficult issue decided, the town decided to throw Xedat off the tower, as he was obviously guilty. As the town rallied and dragged him up the stairs Xedat yelled at the town. He cursed their idiocy and lack of sight, but the town remained silent and impassive, up until they flung him off the tower. Xedat screamed all the way down
With a sickening *splat* Xedat broke against the floor at the bottom of the tower, splattering the cobblestones with green blood. It seems like throwing people off towers is clearly not the best way to determine who the mafia is. Disheartened by the failure of their foolproof plan the town headed back to their houses for the night, knowing that it was likely that not all of them would reconvene in the morning.
Xedat the Narcoleptic Barman [who cannot fly] (Vanilla Townie) has been lynched.
It is now night 2, get all night actions to me and mataza within the next 24 hours.
Also if we have a DT (which we probably don't) then ffs report. Report now if you have a mafia already, in case you die tonight. It's LYLO from here on out.
my entire perception of this game was based on xedat and drazerk being obvious scum. with xedat flipping green i don't even know if drazerk is scum any more. masterfully played by mafia. i am really questioning my ability to even play mafia i literally cannot believe that xedat was green. like my mind is failing to comprehend it
anyways quitting now would be the wrong thing to do. treadmill is right, however. every lynch is lylo. please just kill me tonight mafia. if i don't die tonight, GMarshal can you just make tomorrow like 12 hours if the town votes for me so we can just put this game behind us?
On June 23 2011 07:10 gtrsrs wrote: i'm not but it's going to be pointless to argue my case i made a huge error and i lost the town the game and i'm sorry
This is pretty much the case
we are playing game mode 3 so no detective = no way to determine who the mafia are as everyone suspects one another
Nothing me / gtrsrs do will convince you other whys
On June 23 2011 07:10 gtrsrs wrote: i'm not but it's going to be pointless to argue my case i made a huge error and i lost the town the game and i'm sorry
This is pretty much the case
we are playing game mode 3 so no detective = no way to determine who the mafia are as everyone suspects one another
Nothing me / gtrsrs do will convince you other whys
The town has fallen
GG Mafia Well played
And heyl,look! Drazerk is once again playing along!
actually i'm thinking about it more i think we do not have a DT, and alderan lied about being roleblocked that means mafia will HAVE to kill me tonight (oh please god kill me) or risk me making a save tonight. if i make a save the town can win, but if mafia kills me they lose their scapegoat
i don't believe in my ability to make decisions any more so i won't lead any more lynches, i'll just sheep along with whatever you guys want. if you have a save suggestion i'll gladly follow it too
On June 23 2011 07:10 gtrsrs wrote: i'm not but it's going to be pointless to argue my case i made a huge error and i lost the town the game and i'm sorry
This is pretty much the case
we are playing game mode 3 so no detective = no way to determine who the mafia are as everyone suspects one another
Nothing me / gtrsrs do will convince you other whys
The town has fallen
GG Mafia Well played
And heyl,look! Drazerk is once again playing along!
I stopped playing a long as everyone was arguing with one another and I
On June 23 2011 07:10 gtrsrs wrote: i'm not but it's going to be pointless to argue my case i made a huge error and i lost the town the game and i'm sorry
This is pretty much the case
we are playing game mode 3 so no detective = no way to determine who the mafia are as everyone suspects one another
Nothing me / gtrsrs do will convince you other whys
The town has fallen
GG Mafia Well played
And heyl,look! Drazerk is once again playing along!
I stopped playing a long as everyone was arguing with one another and I
On June 23 2011 07:10 gtrsrs wrote: i'm not but it's going to be pointless to argue my case i made a huge error and i lost the town the game and i'm sorry
This is pretty much the case
we are playing game mode 3 so no detective = no way to determine who the mafia are as everyone suspects one another
Nothing me / gtrsrs do will convince you other whys
The town has fallen
GG Mafia Well played
And heyl,look! Drazerk is once again playing along!
I stopped playing a long as everyone was arguing with one another and I
EBWOP : My keyboard sucks - Need a new one >.<
And I was sick of it
Still not sure how i posted though
Still thing Alderan is mafia
Just like i said the moment he role block called yet no one believed me
On June 23 2011 07:22 Pyo wrote: The game isn't over yet. Give me a sec. I think that there is still a winning strategy for town.
Of course there is. We lynch gtrsrs, then we lynch Drazerk, then we figure out who the third mafioso is and lynch him. It's only gtrsrs and Draz that're trying to get town to give up and gg out.
On June 23 2011 07:22 Pyo wrote: The game isn't over yet. Give me a sec. I think that there is still a winning strategy for town.
Of course there is. We lynch gtrsrs, then we lynch Drazerk, then we figure out who the third mafioso is and lynch him. It's only gtrsrs and Draz that're trying to get town to give up and gg out.
On June 23 2011 07:10 gtrsrs wrote: i'm not but it's going to be pointless to argue my case i made a huge error and i lost the town the game and i'm sorry
This is pretty much the case
we are playing game mode 3 so no detective = no way to determine who the mafia are as everyone suspects one another
Nothing me / gtrsrs do will convince you other whys
The town has fallen
GG Mafia Well played
And heyl,look! Drazerk is once again playing along!
I stopped playing a long as everyone was arguing with one another and I
EBWOP : My keyboard sucks - Need a new one >.<
And I was sick of it
Isn't there a word for someone that "stops playing a long" with town, and does nothing but create bandwagons that have CONSISTENTLY misslynched, and then come immediately back into the game to suggest who else is "definitely" scum?...........
Fortunately there is no way you live the next day cycle, unfortunately the town has followed you blindly into oblivion.
I urge everyone to stay active in this game, it is certainly not over, we just have to be on the "A" game.
The only other person that has voted for both the miss-lynches is Supersoft. Considering that the votes were so close, and that all 3 scum most likely didn't stack on the same person I consider both as mafia.
On June 23 2011 07:10 gtrsrs wrote: i'm not but it's going to be pointless to argue my case i made a huge error and i lost the town the game and i'm sorry
This is pretty much the case
we are playing game mode 3 so no detective = no way to determine who the mafia are as everyone suspects one another
Nothing me / gtrsrs do will convince you other whys
The town has fallen
GG Mafia Well played
And heyl,look! Drazerk is once again playing along!
I stopped playing a long as everyone was arguing with one another and I
EBWOP : My keyboard sucks - Need a new one >.<
And I was sick of it
Isn't there a word for someone that "stops playing a long" with town, and does nothing but create bandwagons that have CONSISTENTLY misslynched, and then come immediately back into the game to suggest who else is "definitely" scum?...........
Fortunately there is no way you live the next day cycle, unfortunately the town has followed you blindly into oblivion.
I urge everyone to stay active in this game, it is certainly not over, we just have to be on the "A" game.
The only other person that has voted for both the miss-lynches is Supersoft. Considering that the votes were so close, and that all 3 scum most likely didn't stack on the same person I consider both as mafia.
I've been suspicious of supersoft too, but I think we should leave targetting the third guy until we've lynched gtrsrs and Drazerk. That gives us two more rounds to see how people post/vote/etc. Also if we're wrong about one of those two (I don't think we are but we can always be wrong) the game's over so it doesn't really matter. Mainly I don't want to start looking for mafia #3 because I want to give them a little bit of rope so that they hopefully hang themselves.
On June 23 2011 07:10 gtrsrs wrote: i'm not but it's going to be pointless to argue my case i made a huge error and i lost the town the game and i'm sorry
This is pretty much the case
we are playing game mode 3 so no detective = no way to determine who the mafia are as everyone suspects one another
Nothing me / gtrsrs do will convince you other whys
The town has fallen
GG Mafia Well played
And heyl,look! Drazerk is once again playing along!
I stopped playing a long as everyone was arguing with one another and I
EBWOP : My keyboard sucks - Need a new one >.<
And I was sick of it
Isn't there a word for someone that "stops playing a long" with town, and does nothing but create bandwagons that have CONSISTENTLY misslynched, and then come immediately back into the game to suggest who else is "definitely" scum?...........
Fortunately there is no way you live the next day cycle, unfortunately the town has followed you blindly into oblivion.
I urge everyone to stay active in this game, it is certainly not over, we just have to be on the "A" game.
The only other person that has voted for both the miss-lynches is Supersoft. Considering that the votes were so close, and that all 3 scum most likely didn't stack on the same person I consider both as mafia.
Vote for me as you wish
We have proven there is no role blocker so you are scum for saying there is one
Only reason there was a chance of Game Type one was because me and Xedat changed votes -
Xedat was town so it's not Game type one
In no means am I saying band wagon him here I do not fault you for voting for either myself / gtrsrs
i figure i minus whale toss this into the hat i tried to protect supersoft on night 1 he defended me pretty solidly and i assumed that by throwing the town's attention onto freeloader, mafia would try to WIFOM and protect the next most adamant supporter of me, so i would be the easy lynch today
All town has to do to stay in the game is to successfully hit a mafia next lynch (and I guess I can't quit).
it is 5:3 right now. Assuming mafia successfully kills someone tonight, it will be 4:3. This means that as long as we are able to successfully lynch mafia each night, we can still win. And if we manage to hit the roleblocker (assuming they have one), then town is actually at an advantage.
GIven that the only other person who voted gtrsrs flipped vanilla townie, I'm going to assume that there at least isn't another medic to counter claim. Now that doesn't necessarily mean that he isn't mafia given that he was going to get lynched so a 50/50 shot at claiming a non-existent role was better than the certainty of getting lynched. And given his personality, I wouldn't be surprised if he was actually a vanilla townie that claimed medic anyway.
However, at this point I'm going to place my wager on gtrsrs having told the truth. And since it isn't very likely that he gets lynched tomorrow, he'll probably end up dying tonight. If he was lying, then well, gg - you've fooled enough of the town that you're victory was well won.
Now, I'm going to assume that gtrsrs was telling the truth, so I'm going to go out on a limb here sort of force the mafia's hand.
I am the town Detective. Night 1, I checked freeloader and he turned green. In retrospect, I should have checked gtrsrs, but I thought he'd be dead by now for sure.
gtrsrs, I really hope you're the medic and actually care about winning. This isn't going to work if I'm wrong on either count.
However, there is still hope! Now that Pyo has claimed, we can figure out who the mafia are with good old process of elimination. Pyo and Gtrsrs are blue. Freeloader got checked by Pyo was told green. Alderan is telling the truth about his roleblock, and I'm the final vanilla townie!
Pyo Gtrsrs Freeloader Alderan CjrNinja
Which leaves three people.
Supersoft Treadmill Drazerk
This is assuming both Pyo and gtrsrs are telling the truth. If not, then i gg lol.
Ugh. I kinda wish you hadn't claimed until after the mafia kill. Because if gtrsrs is medic then the mafia can role-block him and kill you tonight. And if he's mafia then the mafia just kill you tonight. And there's no way for us to know the difference.
On June 23 2011 09:31 CjrNinja wrote: Sorry Xedat T.T
However, there is still hope! Now that Pyo has claimed, we can figure out who the mafia are with good old process of elimination. Pyo and Gtrsrs are blue. Freeloader got checked by Pyo was told green. Alderan is telling the truth about his roleblock, and I'm the final vanilla townie!
Pyo Gtrsrs Freeloader Alderan CjrNinja
Which leaves three people.
Supersoft Treadmill Drazerk
This is assuming both Pyo and gtrsrs are telling the truth. If not, then i gg lol.
Except gtrsrs is lying. I really don't know what else to say about him at this point.
Ok then, just for you, lets entertain the notion that gtrsrs is lying. (The real medic would have counterclaimed by now so we can say that setup 4 is in play for this scenario) Pyo is telling the truth.
Pyo Freeloader Myself Treadmill Supersoft
gtrsrs lied about medic Alderan lied about being roleblocked. drazerk
before we compile data we need to give a chance for someone else to claim. if you're the real detective then you need to step forward and claim now. give us your n1 report and we can decide who is telling the truth, you or Pyo.
if no one steps forward, we have to take Pyo at his word. not sure why he claimed during the night phase tbh. now mafia can kill one of us and roleblock the other. either way we have 0 chance at a save and 0 new info tomorrow. really should have waited til the day.
the mafia had no reason NOT to roleblock me on n1. it's quite conceivable that Pyo is mafia faking a cop claim, and alderan is mafia faking a roleblocked claim. there's no roleblocker or cop, the mafia left me alive as a scapegoat and chanced that i wouldn't get a save. there's still no roleblocker, i will not be blocked tonight, and i will either die or have another shot at a save.
On June 23 2011 09:59 CjrNinja wrote: Ok then, just for you, lets entertain the notion that gtrsrs is lying. (The real medic would have counterclaimed by now so we can say that setup 4 is in play for this scenario) Pyo is telling the truth.
Pyo Freeloader Myself Treadmill Supersoft
gtrsrs lied about medic Alderan lied about being roleblocked. drazerk
How does that look to you?
I don't think that your assumption is necessarily correct. So, if there is a medic who isn't gtrsrs please claim. Because things are getting pretty stupid.
[btw the problem with your initial reasoning is that you could literally sub any of me, Draz, or supersoft out for you and still hold - supersoft could claim, well, pyo and gtrsrs are blue, alderan and fl are green, I'm green, so Draz, Treadmill, and Cjr must be the mafia.]
Honestly I'm not too worried about the he said - she said, cause pretty much anything can come from a mafia or a town perspective (Alderan could be claiming role-block because he's town and he was, or because he's mafia and he knows there isn't one, or because he's mafia and he knows there is a role-blocker but nobody got role-blocked).
I trust Pyo because he's been playing fairly pro-town, and town is so close to losing that I have to have some trust.
I don't trust gtrsrs because he's been playing extremely anti-town. So I really think that he's mafia because of this.
I am relieved in a sense, by morning everyone will have a very solid grasp on our setup, not just me pyo, and gtsrs.
But on the other hand this means though that we will not get a save tonight, and we will not get a mafia read tonight, which could have been game changing. I just don't see the long term play, you state it forces "mafia's hand" but what do they HAVE to do? This doesn't force them to do anything. All you did was assure we would not get another DT check for the rest of the game.
i sent in my save i have no strong town reads on anyone because my scum detector is broken so it's just as likely that i tried to save scum, which would only be more embarassing i hope i just die tonight instead
On June 23 2011 09:16 Pyo wrote: All town has to do to stay in the game is to successfully hit a mafia next lynch (and I guess I can't quit).
it is 5:3 right now. Assuming mafia successfully kills someone tonight, it will be 4:3. This means that as long as we are able to successfully lynch mafia each night, we can still win. And if we manage to hit the roleblocker (assuming they have one), then town is actually at an advantage.
GIven that the only other person who voted gtrsrs flipped vanilla townie, I'm going to assume that there at least isn't another medic to counter claim. Now that doesn't necessarily mean that he isn't mafia given that he was going to get lynched so a 50/50 shot at claiming a non-existent role was better than the certainty of getting lynched. And given his personality, I wouldn't be surprised if he was actually a vanilla townie that claimed medic anyway.
However, at this point I'm going to place my wager on gtrsrs having told the truth. And since it isn't very likely that he gets lynched tomorrow, he'll probably end up dying tonight. If he was lying, then well, gg - you've fooled enough of the town that you're victory was well won.
Now, I'm going to assume that gtrsrs was telling the truth, so I'm going to go out on a limb here sort of force the mafia's hand.
I am the town Detective. Night 1, I checked freeloader and he turned green. In retrospect, I should have checked gtrsrs, but I thought he'd be dead by now for sure.
gtrsrs, I really hope you're the medic and actually care about winning. This isn't going to work if I'm wrong on either count.
I'm glad I cleared as green, I don't get it. The game made sense before this, well kinda.
Why would DT claim at night with rb in play? You are either asking to die or get blocked and with only one lynch to go that is a poor play.
Why would DT check me of all people instead of much more obvious and important target:gtrsrs? The lynch was heavily in favor of gtrsrs and an hour before he gets lynched he claims blue. Claiming blue literally saved his ass. The reasons to check him is plentiful... 1) ...to see if hes really town aligned, because if he is hes probably... 2) ...telling the truth. Which means... 3) ...town setup is confirmed 100% without doubts. Else it would mean... 4) ...gtrsrs is scum as I originally expected.
Instead you check me because I had a very valid argument against a potential (and still maybe) scum?
So now I'm thinking... either you played a DT very very very poorly or you're lying or gtrsrs is lying or you're both lying???? This doesn't make any sense.
As a feedback question, did anybody actually read my defense? Was it too long or to diffuse? Was there anything I could have said that would have changed your mind?
If you want to you can pm me some feedback.
(I hope this is okay with the hosts, if not I apologize)
This is a reminder to everyone who has not submitted an action yet to get it in to me and Mataza before the deadline. Otherwise it is assumed you spent the night learning interpretative dance, rather than doing whatever action it is you were supposed to be performing
On June 23 2011 23:46 GMarshal wrote: This is a reminder to everyone who has not submitted an action yet to get it in to me and Mataza before the deadline. Otherwise it is assumed you spent the night learning interpretative dance, rather than doing whatever action it is you were supposed to be performing
So all townies are automatically masters at Interpretative dance?
new mafia list since This is going down hill fast... .
On June 23 2011 20:22 Drazerk wrote: Wait Pyo is claiming blue?
Ok im confused? - Why do this at night
Mafia will either kill him or force a lynch on us
Or he is mafia and will use it to get a lynch on a town
Im very confident there is no role blocker in this game
No I was thinking along these lines because of such unexpected plays. With no counter claims either they're all telling the truth simultaneously, some of them are lying or all of them are lying. They could be collaborating and perhaps missed the fact that a DT would not claim at night, perhaps out of excitement near this games end leads to a slip that could turn this game around. My new list is as follows
1. Pyo 2. Gtrsrs 3. Alderan 4. Drazerk
1. Claiming blue at Night, virtually eliminating all our chances to win the game. Refusing to check gtrsrs when it would be most beneficial to. Checking me instead. Very anti-town. 2. Day 1 anti-town plays. Gtrsrs if Pyo really is blue then maybe you're not. But then gain you both could very well be telling the truth. 3. Roleblock if rb does not exist. If it does then you're all very possibly telling the truth. If not then TWO of you MUST be lying. 4. Latching on our medic claim, then attacking him, then hugging him, then attacking him. Generally confusing and contradicting posts.
his claim timing makes 0 sense. this means that alderan is lying too. i swear on my mother's eternal soul that i am the medic though. that puts drazerk as our third mafia. did pyo just pull and Idra and give away a won game for mafia?
On June 24 2011 02:40 gtrsrs wrote: indeed, i think Pyo is lying
his claim timing makes 0 sense. this means that alderan is lying too. i swear on my mother's eternal soul that i am the medic though. that puts drazerk as our third mafia. did pyo just pull and Idra and give away a won game for mafia?
At sunset Qatol a creature of fire and terror materialized from the shadows, and threatened the town with destruction and desolation if the proper tribute in the form of well mannered behavior was not provided. The town, quivering in fear Qatol's its feathered form promised to provide this tribute, before Qatol called down the lighting and doom upon the defenseless village. Then Qatol vanished back into the shadows whence he came, hopefully never to be heard from again. All he left in his wake was a single struck out u cast in dark iron. From that day forward the u served as a reminder to the town, of the horrors that awaited if they upset this fearsome creature.
A wandering figure reached the walls of the town, just as the zombies began to converge. "My name is Kenpachi" he yelled. "Let me in, you must organize your medics! Tell the one at the top of the list to protect Foolishness. Ver must be saved by the one at the bottom". The townies who had not yet returned to their houses watched Kenpachi rail at the zombies as they tore him to pieces, unable to save the fool who had not found shelter in time.
Later that night the majority of the town sheltered in their houses, practicing interpretative dance, to keep from trembling from fear and to keep the despair at bay. Well except for one notable citizen, gtrsrs.
gtrsrs was not having a good day. First he confused a townie with scum and got him killed, next he noticed his stock of booze was depleted, and then he had all these townies doubting the legitimacy of his medical practice. Alas, despite this he had to persevere. Perhaps he could make a difference tonight, save someone. With that intention gtrsrs determinedly showed up at the house of an old friend. He knew him well, having been over many times, for drinks, or a simple discussion. gtrsrs suspected something was wrong when he found the door askew, apparently rammed off its hinges. gtrsrs ran in, fear in his heart. "It, can't be" he thought "there's no way Paul is dead already, I *must* save him". He burst into the living room and stopped, there Paul was in the middle of the room, lying sprawled, in a pool of blood. gtrsrs ran to him, pulling out a hastily cobbled together medical kit. gtrsrs was somewhat surprised when as he leaned over the "corpse" it stood up and stabbed him in the chest. Blood gushed out of gtrsrs wound, as two dark figures approached him from behind. "Sorry gtrsrs," said the man who had been lying in a pool of blood, "we can't afford to leave you alive. Its simply too dangerous. Consider your swift death my parting gift, old friend. What awaits these other fools is a less enviable fate". With that the man thrust the knife into gtrsrs neck, and blue blood fountained out. "Paul... you... bastard..." gtrsrs gasped "the... town... will... find... you...". "traitor..." was the last word that gtrsrs would ever speak.
Qatol the Aztec God from another dimension is watching you Kenpachi the Lost Wanderer of the Wasteland was eaten by the undead gtrsrs the Butcher with Intermittent Explosive Disorder (Medic) has been stabbed to death
It is now day 3! You have 48 hours to vote for who is to be lynched. Can the town still pull out ahead? or does disaster await? How you vote will decide the outcome!
Second, gtrsrs, I really wish you weren't so goddamned cocky and arrogant. I gifted you a chance to save yourself and you just pissed it away by being so over-eager to call out my lie. Note that you alone were the only one who could have confirmed it to be the case. If you had just "admitted" to having blue claimed to save your skin, you'd be alive.
Third, is there an actual DT out there? Was anyone roleblocked tonight? Now's the time to claim.
On June 24 2011 06:06 Pyo wrote: First of all, yes I was lying.
Second, gtrsrs, I really wish you weren't so goddamned cocky and arrogant. I gifted you a chance to save yourself and you just pissed it away by being so over-eager to call out my lie. Note that you alone were the only one who could have confirmed it to be the case. If you had just "admitted" to having blue claimed to save your skin, you'd be alive.
Third, is there an actual DT out there? Was anyone roleblocked tonight? Now's the time to claim.
I highly doubt there is another blue
I keep telling you we are playing game type 3 - No role blockers
Since it's lynch or lose, we have to lynch a mafia or we lose.
Also since mafia has nearly as much voting power as town, ALL TOWN MUST VOTE UNANIMOUSLY. Better for everyone to pick someone and have a 50% chance of being wrong than for all of us to split our votes and let mafia 100% control the vote.
Unless a DT or someone comes forward as having been roleblocked... ##Vote: Alderan
On June 24 2011 06:06 Pyo wrote: First of all, yes I was lying.
Second, gtrsrs, I really wish you weren't so goddamned cocky and arrogant. I gifted you a chance to save yourself and you just pissed it away by being so over-eager to call out my lie. Note that you alone were the only one who could have confirmed it to be the case. If you had just "admitted" to having blue claimed to save your skin, you'd be alive.
Third, is there an actual DT out there? Was anyone roleblocked tonight? Now's the time to claim.
I highly doubt there is another blue
I keep telling you we are playing game type 3 - No role blockers
##vote: Alderan
Don't Lie
Lying never helps town in any circumstances
Lying doesn't help town during the day when it can cause confusion, but if it can potential confuse mafia at night it is absolutely fine. If you think about it, had gtrsrs not been so damned adamant about being the medic, for all mafia knew it could be set up #4.
On June 24 2011 06:06 Pyo wrote: First of all, yes I was lying.
Second, gtrsrs, I really wish you weren't so goddamned cocky and arrogant. I gifted you a chance to save yourself and you just pissed it away by being so over-eager to call out my lie. Note that you alone were the only one who could have confirmed it to be the case. If you had just "admitted" to having blue claimed to save your skin, you'd be alive.
Third, is there an actual DT out there? Was anyone roleblocked tonight? Now's the time to claim.
on the contrary, i fucked this game hard i'm glad to be dead and cleared
sorry for all my mis-plays town, i really ate shit this game good luck
Pretty clear now that he's lying. I'm glad gtrsrs is dead, even if he was the medic. It clears a lot of things up. Votes do have to be unanimous now anyways.
I am not the DT, but how is your "trick" supposed to convince me. It was pretty obvious that you are not the DT either - at first you say something like:"let me think about something" after that you claim DT. That was extremely artificial. Mafia could now just step up and claim DT if there is no real DT... This plan didn't work out too well... We will never know whether that will be the real DT or not...
I know, that I pushed two mislynches... Okay, aprudds wasn't a good choice right from the beginning, but it was a weird situation and I tried to save our medic (and I was right about this guy)... But I thought Xedat was 100% scum...
Since today is the last chance for us to come back, I will read the whole thread again and try to find something apart from the whole DT/roleblock-Claimstory... Obviously we can't trust the DT that will now come forward... We don't know whether he's scum or not and we don't know whether Alderan is scum or not. Again: Since this is the last chance, don't overreact if someone roleclaims... He and Alderan could be mafia or they could be innocent. We don't know. And we can't afford a mislynch!
These overeager decisions in the past, nearly costed us the game! Now calm down, its 4:3 we nearly have a 50% chance to one of them.
On June 24 2011 06:41 supersoft wrote: I am not the DT, but how is your "trick" supposed to convince me. It was pretty obvious that you are not the DT either - at first you say something like:"let me think about something" after that you claim DT. That was extremely artificial. Mafia could now just step up and claim DT if there is no real DT... This plan didn't work out too well... We will never know whether that will be the real DT or not...
I know, that I pushed two mislynches... Okay, aprudds wasn't a good choice right from the beginning, but it was a weird situation and I tried to save our medic (and I was right about this guy)... But I thought Xedat was 100% scum...
Since today is the last chance for us to come back, I will read the whole thread again and try to find something apart from the whole DT/roleblock-Claimstory... Obviously we can't trust the DT that will now come forward... We don't know whether he's scum or not and we don't know whether Alderan is scum or not. Again: Since this is the last chance, don't overreact if someone roleclaims... He and Alderan could be mafia or they could be innocent. We don't know. And we can't afford a mislynch!
These overeager decisions in the past, nearly costed us the game! Now calm down, its 4:3 we nearly have a 50% chance to one of them.
It wasn't so obvious until gtrsrs started running his mouth. Roleclaiming at night is not standard play hence "let me think of something." I will defend my lie by saying there was no downside to doing. Worst case scenario everyone sees through it and nothing changes, best case scenario if there is a DT/RB then I just gave the real DT a chance to save himself, and if there is no DT/RB, I gave gtrsrs a chance to save himself. Since I didn't get lucky, we're right where were before.
Also the DT coming forward now is no more or less likely to be trusted than if I didn't claim DT.
On June 24 2011 06:51 Drazerk wrote: Basically for this one day Alderan is a higher priority than me
So put the fingers down and trust me We have a lot of evidence pointing to him being scum and we must all vote for him
Mafia will be saying a lot of things in the next day as they screwed up last night, We must keep the focus on Alderan
Drazerk, please stop martyring. You have around 30 posts or so in this thread saying "oh, town is just gonna lynch me". They don't help town and only make you look scummier.
On June 24 2011 06:41 supersoft wrote: I am not the DT, but how is your "trick" supposed to convince me. It was pretty obvious that you are not the DT either - at first you say something like:"let me think about something" after that you claim DT. That was extremely artificial. Mafia could now just step up and claim DT if there is no real DT... This plan didn't work out too well... We will never know whether that will be the real DT or not...
I know, that I pushed two mislynches... Okay, aprudds wasn't a good choice right from the beginning, but it was a weird situation and I tried to save our medic (and I was right about this guy)... But I thought Xedat was 100% scum...
Since today is the last chance for us to come back, I will read the whole thread again and try to find something apart from the whole DT/roleblock-Claimstory... Obviously we can't trust the DT that will now come forward... We don't know whether he's scum or not and we don't know whether Alderan is scum or not. Again: Since this is the last chance, don't overreact if someone roleclaims... He and Alderan could be mafia or they could be innocent. We don't know. And we can't afford a mislynch!
These overeager decisions in the past, nearly costed us the game! Now calm down, its 4:3 we nearly have a 50% chance to one of them.
It wasn't so obvious until gtrsrs started running his mouth. Roleclaiming at night is not standard play hence "let me think of something." I will defend my lie by saying there was no downside to doing. Worst case scenario everyone sees through it and nothing changes, best case scenario if there is a DT/RB then I just gave the real DT a chance to save himself, and if there is no DT/RB, I gave gtrsrs a chance to save himself. Since I didn't get lucky, we're right where were before.
Also the DT coming forward now is no more or less likely to be trusted than if I didn't claim DT.
yes of course, that's right. The DTlie wasn't bad for us... It just dind't change anything that's exactly what I wanted to point out.
On June 24 2011 06:51 Drazerk wrote: Basically for this one day Alderan is a higher priority than me
So put the fingers down and trust me We have a lot of evidence pointing to him being scum and we must all vote for him
Mafia will be saying a lot of things in the next day as they screwed up last night, We must keep the focus on Alderan
Drazerk, please stop martyring. You have around 30 posts or so in this thread saying "oh, town is just gonna lynch me". They don't help town and only make you look scummier.
I am no longer Martyring we now no I am an easy scum target and that is what they will focus on
I am next on line and we can abuse this after seeing the out come of today
On June 24 2011 06:51 Drazerk wrote: Basically for this one day Alderan is a higher priority than me
So put the fingers down and trust me We have a lot of evidence pointing to him being scum and we must all vote for him
Mafia will be saying a lot of things in the next day as they screwed up last night, We must keep the focus on Alderan
Drazerk, please stop martyring. You have around 30 posts or so in this thread saying "oh, town is just gonna lynch me". They don't help town and only make you look scummier.
I am no longer Martyring we now know I am an easy scum target and that is what they will focus on
I am next on line and we can abuse this after seeing the out come of today
On June 24 2011 06:51 Drazerk wrote: Basically for this one day Alderan is a higher priority than me
So put the fingers down and trust me We have a lot of evidence pointing to him being scum and we must all vote for him
Mafia will be saying a lot of things in the next day as they screwed up last night, We must keep the focus on Alderan
Drazerk, please stop martyring. You have around 30 posts or so in this thread saying "oh, town is just gonna lynch me". They don't help town and only make you look scummier.
I am no longer Martyring we now no I am an easy scum target and that is what they will focus on
I am next on line and we can abuse this after seeing the out come of today
See this is a huge problem with newbie players. You can't explain the trap and have it work. Hold your f**king tongue (or keyboard). Rather than being quick to point everything out as you see it as soon as you see it, think about what you are doing and what it means. Then after someone has fallen for it, go ahead and point it out.
On June 24 2011 06:51 Drazerk wrote: Basically for this one day Alderan is a higher priority than me
So put the fingers down and trust me We have a lot of evidence pointing to him being scum and we must all vote for him
Mafia will be saying a lot of things in the next day as they screwed up last night, We must keep the focus on Alderan
Drazerk, please stop martyring. You have around 30 posts or so in this thread saying "oh, town is just gonna lynch me". They don't help town and only make you look scummier.
I am no longer Martyring we now no I am an easy scum target and that is what they will focus on
I am next on line and we can abuse this after seeing the out come of today
See this is a huge problem with newbie players. You can't explain the trap and have it work. Hold your f**king tongue (or keyboard). Rather than being quick to point everything out as you see it as soon as you see it, think about what you are doing and what it means. Then after someone has fallen for it, go ahead and point it out.
Phenomenal play by mafia, for what its worth, I was RB'd again, but it doesn't matter, this is surely my death sentence and mafia will have won the game.
There are 2 scenarios to how this happened.
Pyo thought he was saving the game by false claiming DT, but it was way to obvious, mafia picked up on it and risked getting DT checked to have a sure fire scape goat, in me. They only need one vote, so even if a DT claimed now to save me it would cause so much uncertainty that it would almost certainly result in one of us casting a misslynch vote and the scum winning.
The other scenario is Pyo is scum, fake claimed, and then immediately took back his fake claim after the night. Again the key here is to force uncertainty. He knew that this would place me on the chopping blocks. But why would a mafia who is so far ahead risk it?
Well because they were afraid of their fearless leaderDrazerk getting lynched, which, would DEFINITELY had happened had Pyo's claim and a repeated RB on me not taken place.
It's town 101 to never lie, so it is either a HORRIBLE play by pyo, or great play by mafia, but either we lose.
If there is a real DT, they need to claim or Drazerk and supersoft will win the game tonight.
On June 24 2011 08:25 Alderan wrote: Its laughable......
Phenomenal play by mafia, for what its worth, I was RB'd again, but it doesn't matter, this is surely my death sentence and mafia will have won the game.
There are 2 scenarios to how this happened.
Pyo thought he was saving the game by false claiming DT, but it was way to obvious, mafia picked up on it and risked getting DT checked to have a sure fire scape goat, in me. They only need one vote, so even if a DT claimed now to save me it would cause so much uncertainty that it would almost certainly result in one of us casting a misslynch vote and the scum winning.
The other scenario is Pyo is scum, fake claimed, and then immediately took back his fake claim after the night. Again the key here is to force uncertainty. He knew that this would place me on the chopping blocks. But why would a mafia who is so far ahead risk it?
Well because they were afraid of their fearless leaderDrazerk getting lynched, which, would DEFINITELY had happened had Pyo's claim and a repeated RB on me not taken place.
It's town 101 to never lie, so it is either a HORRIBLE play by pyo, or great play by mafia, but either we lose.
If there is a real DT, they need to claim or Drazerk and supersoft will win the game tonight.
LOL!!!! First you say that you were roleblocked. Then you say "If there is a real DT." Way to make it exceedingly obvious that you are mafia.
Also, it may have been poorly executed, but false claiming DT was absolutely NOT a "bad" play. At worst it was an irrelevant play. Also, since when was it town 101 to never lie?
On June 24 2011 06:51 Drazerk wrote: Basically for this one day Alderan is a higher priority than me
So put the fingers down and trust me We have a lot of evidence pointing to him being scum and we must all vote for him
Mafia will be saying a lot of things in the next day as they screwed up last night, We must keep the focus on Alderan
Drazerk, please stop martyring. You have around 30 posts or so in this thread saying "oh, town is just gonna lynch me". They don't help town and only make you look scummier.
I am no longer Martyring we now no I am an easy scum target and that is what they will focus on
I am next on line and we can abuse this after seeing the out come of today
See this is a huge problem with newbie players. You can't explain the trap and have it work. Hold your f**king tongue (or keyboard). Rather than being quick to point everything out as you see it as soon as you see it, think about what you are doing and what it means. Then after someone has fallen for it, go ahead and point it out.
Play nice please. And stop cursing.
I for one have had enough. Next instance of bad behavior from anyone and I'm modkilling. This the final warning. Now play nice people, or get out.
On June 25 2011 06:31 CjrNinja wrote: Pretty apparent that Alderan lied about being rb'd. Since noone has stepped forward and claimed dt, i'll be putting my vote here.
##vote: Alderan
are you sure, that you didn't want to DTclaim, but abandoned it after seeing the epicfail of your buddy? :D
Alright seems obvious DT doesn't exist, if after all this time he doesn't clear Alderan for block may or may not be potentially tossing/saving the game, but now it seems to be a pretty safe bet.
Alderan woke up. It was dark and he was a bit drowsy. He sat on a chair, but he couldn´t move his arms. “What is happening? Where am I?” he shouted into the darkness. But the darkness didn´t answer. Instead a familiar voice came out of the darkness "You are in your house" "Hey, is it you guys? I think I am tied to this chair, come and help me before the town finds me" A light flickered in the pitch black. Then a faint sizzling noise followed by a louder exhalation. The cigarette didn´t shed light on the face of the smoker, but the glowing tip moving in the air was kind of mesmerizing. Alderan shouted again "What are you waiting for?! Untie me!" "I have a little quiz question for you" another, but also familiar voice answered "What is the best vehicle? A. a train" He looked puzzled, though no one could see it in the darkness. "B. a plane" Then he suddenly realised "Not a bus. Definitely not a bus! I *hate* busses!" "C. a helicopter" He was becoming hysteric "NO! NO! You can´t do this to me! I thought we were friends! Don´t bus me! I prefer helicopters! I really do! Stop!!" "or D. a bus" "Why are you doing this to me? I will do everything for you, just don´t do this! Please!"
The glowing tip of the cigarette moved, another demonstrative, loud and slow exhalation was to be heard. The smoker explained "The whole town is looking for you. Pitchforks and torches and everything. And you were hiding in our hideout. Sooner or later they would have found you there, and with everything in the hideout, they would also have found out about ‘us’. We are your friends. We couldn´t risk you blowing our cover. Friends don´t let friends do stuff like that." Alderan was overrun with despair. He began sobbing and crying silently, knowing it was all over. One could hear the noise of an angry mob outside. Hundreds of footsteps, and battlecrys and his name, Alderan. "Now hold still while we put this gag over your mouth" He didn´t react. He silently sobbed, pitying himself. The glowing tip of the cigarette fell to the floor and was extinguished with a sizzling noise. His former friends were carrying him on the chair. The smoker opened the door and light fell inside the house again. “We found him! He was hiding in his own house all along! You can stop searching now!” His ‘friends’ vanished into the thousand faces of the mob and he was carried away.
Alderan, the Helicopter Enthusiast (Mafia Goon) has been lynched. And modkilled.
It is now night time, you have 24 hours to get night actions to GMarshal and me.
On June 24 2011 08:25 Alderan wrote: Its laughable......
Phenomenal play by mafia, for what its worth, I was RB'd again, but it doesn't matter, this is surely my death sentence and mafia will have won the game.
There are 2 scenarios to how this happened.
Pyo thought he was saving the game by false claiming DT, but it was way to obvious, mafia picked up on it and risked getting DT checked to have a sure fire scape goat, in me. They only need one vote, so even if a DT claimed now to save me it would cause so much uncertainty that it would almost certainly result in one of us casting a misslynch vote and the scum winning.
The other scenario is Pyo is scum, fake claimed, and then immediately took back his fake claim after the night. Again the key here is to force uncertainty. He knew that this would place me on the chopping blocks. But why would a mafia who is so far ahead risk it?
Well because they were afraid of their fearless leaderDrazerk getting lynched, which, would DEFINITELY had happened had Pyo's claim and a repeated RB on me not taken place.
It's town 101 to never lie, so it is either a HORRIBLE play by pyo, or great play by mafia, but either we lose.
If there is a real DT, they need to claim or Drazerk and supersoft will win the game tonight.
alderan gave away another mafia right here. He wants to distance himself from other mafia, but knows that we'd know he'd do it - classic WIFOM. So obviously, like the original WIFOM situation, he put the poison in both glasses. One of Drazerk and supersoft is mafia, but Drazerk has acting obviously pro-town, while supersoft has for the most part been lurking.
Shhh... do you hear the crickets? What started off started off as pages full of spam and back and forths' is now reduced to a dead game?
On June 24 2011 08:25 Alderan wrote: Its laughable......
Phenomenal play by mafia, for what its worth, I was RB'd again, but it doesn't matter, this is surely my death sentence and mafia will have won the game.
There are 2 scenarios to how this happened.
Pyo thought he was saving the game by false claiming DT, but it was way to obvious, mafia picked up on it and risked getting DT checked to have a sure fire scape goat, in me. They only need one vote, so even if a DT claimed now to save me it would cause so much uncertainty that it would almost certainly result in one of us casting a misslynch vote and the scum winning.
The other scenario is Pyo is scum, fake claimed, and then immediately took back his fake claim after the night. Again the key here is to force uncertainty. He knew that this would place me on the chopping blocks. But why would a mafia who is so far ahead risk it?
Well because they were afraid of their fearless leaderDrazerk getting lynched, which, would DEFINITELY had happened had Pyo's claim and a repeated RB on me not taken place.
It's town 101 to never lie, so it is either a HORRIBLE play by pyo, or great play by mafia, but either we lose.
If there is a real DT, they need to claim or Drazerk and supersoft will win the game tonight.
And think this really did it for me. Alderan went out of his way to distance, "fearless leader Drazerk" in his final post has me convinced you are scum. What really intrigues me is how you managed to stay out of being lynched for so long when you're obviously scum The cases have been made, the evidence has been presented, your distracting/confusing actions/posts were there.. yet it seemed we lynched everyone but the obvious. I have nothing more to say.
On June 27 2011 15:08 freeloader625 wrote: Shhh... do you hear the crickets? What started off started off as pages full of spam and back and forths' is now reduced to a dead game?
On June 24 2011 08:25 Alderan wrote: Its laughable......
Phenomenal play by mafia, for what its worth, I was RB'd again, but it doesn't matter, this is surely my death sentence and mafia will have won the game.
There are 2 scenarios to how this happened.
Pyo thought he was saving the game by false claiming DT, but it was way to obvious, mafia picked up on it and risked getting DT checked to have a sure fire scape goat, in me. They only need one vote, so even if a DT claimed now to save me it would cause so much uncertainty that it would almost certainly result in one of us casting a misslynch vote and the scum winning.
The other scenario is Pyo is scum, fake claimed, and then immediately took back his fake claim after the night. Again the key here is to force uncertainty. He knew that this would place me on the chopping blocks. But why would a mafia who is so far ahead risk it?
Well because they were afraid of their fearless leaderDrazerk getting lynched, which, would DEFINITELY had happened had Pyo's claim and a repeated RB on me not taken place.
It's town 101 to never lie, so it is either a HORRIBLE play by pyo, or great play by mafia, but either we lose.
If there is a real DT, they need to claim or Drazerk and supersoft will win the game tonight.
And think this really did it for me. Alderan went out of his way to distance, "fearless leader Drazerk" in his final post has me convinced you are scum. What really intrigues me is how you managed to stay out of being lynched for so long when you're obviously scum The cases have been made, the evidence has been presented, your distracting/confusing actions/posts were there.. yet it seemed we lynched everyone but the obvious. I have nothing more to say.
##vote: Drazerk
The posting dried up because gtrsrs died
Hmmm. At this point I've actually become relatively convinced of Drazerk's innocence.
1. Mafia knew that gtrsrs was definitely medic, we didn't. Drazerk defended gtrsrs quite a bit day two when a lynch on him would've been obviously in the mafia's favour, also when defending him would make himself MORE suspicious.
2. Draz has gone out of his way to draw attention to himself and to be suspicious, which mafia would not do.
3. Draz was attacking Alderan on day one when nobody else was and there was no reason to start busing / WIFOM'ing.
4. Pyo is smarter than me and he fingered supersoft not Drazerk.
Going by the reasoning that one of those two is mafia, from Alderan's confused bussing, I think that supersoft is a much better target today (especially considering that Alderan draws much more attention to Drazerk than supersoft, which to me says Draz is the fake bus and supersoft is mafia). Ignoring Alderan's confusing post supersoft seems much more scummy than anyone else. So,
##vote: supersoft
I'd encourage the other two townies to do the same. We need town consensus today again. Given that I will change my vote later on this turn if the voting starts to get dirty.
On June 27 2011 15:08 freeloader625 wrote: Shhh... do you hear the crickets? What started off started off as pages full of spam and back and forths' is now reduced to a dead game?
On June 24 2011 08:25 Alderan wrote: Its laughable......
Phenomenal play by mafia, for what its worth, I was RB'd again, but it doesn't matter, this is surely my death sentence and mafia will have won the game.
There are 2 scenarios to how this happened.
Pyo thought he was saving the game by false claiming DT, but it was way to obvious, mafia picked up on it and risked getting DT checked to have a sure fire scape goat, in me. They only need one vote, so even if a DT claimed now to save me it would cause so much uncertainty that it would almost certainly result in one of us casting a misslynch vote and the scum winning.
The other scenario is Pyo is scum, fake claimed, and then immediately took back his fake claim after the night. Again the key here is to force uncertainty. He knew that this would place me on the chopping blocks. But why would a mafia who is so far ahead risk it?
Well because they were afraid of their fearless leaderDrazerk getting lynched, which, would DEFINITELY had happened had Pyo's claim and a repeated RB on me not taken place.
It's town 101 to never lie, so it is either a HORRIBLE play by pyo, or great play by mafia, but either we lose.
If there is a real DT, they need to claim or Drazerk and supersoft will win the game tonight.
And think this really did it for me. Alderan went out of his way to distance, "fearless leader Drazerk" in his final post has me convinced you are scum. What really intrigues me is how you managed to stay out of being lynched for so long when you're obviously scum The cases have been made, the evidence has been presented, your distracting/confusing actions/posts were there.. yet it seemed we lynched everyone but the obvious. I have nothing more to say.
On June 24 2011 06:51 Drazerk wrote: Basically for this one day Alderan is a higher priority than me
So put the fingers down and trust me We have a lot of evidence pointing to him being scum and we must all vote for him
Mafia will be saying a lot of things in the next day as they screwed up last night, We must keep the focus on Alderan
Drazerk, please stop martyring. You have around 30 posts or so in this thread saying "oh, town is just gonna lynch me". They don't help town and only make you look scummier.
I am no longer Martyring we now no I am an easy scum target and that is what they will focus on
I am next on line and we can abuse this after seeing the out come of today
See this is a huge problem with newbie players. You can't explain the trap and have it work. Hold your f**king tongue (or keyboard). Rather than being quick to point everything out as you see it as soon as you see it, think about what you are doing and what it means. Then after someone has fallen for it, go ahead and point it out.
Still possibly worked
But we need to all vote unanimously at the moment votes would be spread - Drazerk, Supersoft and Freeloader (aka Mafia win)
I am going to hold my vote for now but we don't have an easy Mafia target like yesterday.
Freeloader if you are town we CANNOT be voting for different people so I encourage you to change it or you will have lost us the game.
If you don't change it your pretty much scum leading them into a easy win
Yes of course. Lynch me for no reason. This will win us the game for sure. Just reread day one, when you all voted on gtrsrs. I was the only one who put in some effort and read his postings. All of you were just bandwagoning around blindly. We can't afford another mislynch.
luckily I have a much better plan that lynching me and losing:
Look at Alderans post. He wanted someone to claim DT. That means, that there must be a mafioso left, who could claim DT for him! Unfortunately for him, their plan was revealed. What happened now? obviously they abandoned their plan, because noone claimed! But let's have a look who didn't post/claimed something up to this point: Freeloader and CjrNinja. We have a 50/50 chance by now to get one of them now for sure!
Since you guys probably don't trust me and think that I am mafia, I stop now with my analysis. Because if I were mafia I'd probably suggest the townie out of these two. I let you decide who to lynch out of these two
(I am not mafia and I really don't want to lose, I recommend CrjNinja - He is lurking all the time and bandwagoning. Very passive player, would have been a perfect blue. Now we know there isn't another blue, that points towards red! freeloader on the other hand is one of the more active players in here. But I think his fast vote on Drazerk this day wasn't thought out too well, not really protown, too)
On June 27 2011 15:08 freeloader625 wrote: Shhh... do you hear the crickets? What started off started off as pages full of spam and back and forths' is now reduced to a dead game?
On June 24 2011 08:25 Alderan wrote: Its laughable......
Phenomenal play by mafia, for what its worth, I was RB'd again, but it doesn't matter, this is surely my death sentence and mafia will have won the game.
There are 2 scenarios to how this happened.
Pyo thought he was saving the game by false claiming DT, but it was way to obvious, mafia picked up on it and risked getting DT checked to have a sure fire scape goat, in me. They only need one vote, so even if a DT claimed now to save me it would cause so much uncertainty that it would almost certainly result in one of us casting a misslynch vote and the scum winning.
The other scenario is Pyo is scum, fake claimed, and then immediately took back his fake claim after the night. Again the key here is to force uncertainty. He knew that this would place me on the chopping blocks. But why would a mafia who is so far ahead risk it?
Well because they were afraid of their fearless leaderDrazerk getting lynched, which, would DEFINITELY had happened had Pyo's claim and a repeated RB on me not taken place.
It's town 101 to never lie, so it is either a HORRIBLE play by pyo, or great play by mafia, but either we lose.
If there is a real DT, they need to claim or Drazerk and supersoft will win the game tonight.
And think this really did it for me. Alderan went out of his way to distance, "fearless leader Drazerk" in his final post has me convinced you are scum. What really intrigues me is how you managed to stay out of being lynched for so long when you're obviously scum The cases have been made, the evidence has been presented, your distracting/confusing actions/posts were there.. yet it seemed we lynched everyone but the obvious. I have nothing more to say.
On June 24 2011 06:51 Drazerk wrote: Basically for this one day Alderan is a higher priority than me
So put the fingers down and trust me We have a lot of evidence pointing to him being scum and we must all vote for him
Mafia will be saying a lot of things in the next day as they screwed up last night, We must keep the focus on Alderan
Drazerk, please stop martyring. You have around 30 posts or so in this thread saying "oh, town is just gonna lynch me". They don't help town and only make you look scummier.
I am no longer Martyring we now no I am an easy scum target and that is what they will focus on
I am next on line and we can abuse this after seeing the out come of today
See this is a huge problem with newbie players. You can't explain the trap and have it work. Hold your f**king tongue (or keyboard). Rather than being quick to point everything out as you see it as soon as you see it, think about what you are doing and what it means. Then after someone has fallen for it, go ahead and point it out.
Still possibly worked
But we need to all vote unanimously at the moment votes would be spread - Drazerk, Supersoft and Freeloader (aka Mafia win)
I am going to hold my vote for now but we don't have an easy Mafia target like yesterday.
Freeloader if you are town we CANNOT be voting for different people so I encourage you to change it or you will have lost us the game.
If you don't change it your pretty much scum leading them into a easy win
Good grief, Drazerk. Its posts like this that made me think you scum in the first place. You're right, we need to build a consensus. You know what that requires? Voting. At this point in the game, delaying your vote will only help the mafia game the system. + Show Spoiler +
On June 27 2011 19:24 supersoft wrote: Yes of course. Lynch me for no reason. This will win us the game for sure. Just reread day one, when you all voted on gtrsrs. I was the only one who put in some effort and read his postings. All of you were just bandwagoning around blindly. We can't afford another mislynch.
luckily I have a much better plan that lynching me and losing:
Look at Alderans post. He wanted someone to claim DT. That means, that there must be a mafioso left, who could claim DT for him! Unfortunately for him, their plan was revealed. What happened now? obviously they abandoned their plan, because noone claimed! But let's have a look who didn't post/claimed something up to this point: Freeloader and CjrNinja. We have a 50/50 chance by now to get one of them now for sure!
Since you guys probably don't trust me and think that I am mafia, I stop now with my analysis. Because if I were mafia I'd probably suggest the townie out of these two. I let you decide who to lynch out of these two
(I am not mafia and I really don't want to lose, I recommend CrjNinja - He is lurking all the time and bandwagoning. Very passive player, would have been a perfect blue. Now we know there isn't another blue, that points towards red! freeloader on the other hand is one of the more active players in here. But I think his fast vote on Drazerk this day wasn't thought out too well, not really protown, too)
So we are all morons because we band-wagonned gtrsrs, whereas you have the distinction, night one, of having.... bandwagonned Aprudds? Um. Right.' + Show Spoiler +
On June 24 2011 08:25 Alderan wrote: Its laughable......
Phenomenal play by mafia, for what its worth, I was RB'd again, but it doesn't matter, this is surely my death sentence and mafia will have won the game.
There are 2 scenarios to how this happened.
Pyo thought he was saving the game by false claiming DT, but it was way to obvious, mafia picked up on it and risked getting DT checked to have a sure fire scape goat, in me. They only need one vote, so even if a DT claimed now to save me it would cause so much uncertainty that it would almost certainly result in one of us casting a misslynch vote and the scum winning.
The other scenario is Pyo is scum, fake claimed, and then immediately took back his fake claim after the night. Again the key here is to force uncertainty. He knew that this would place me on the chopping blocks. But why would a mafia who is so far ahead risk it?
Well because they were afraid of their fearless leaderDrazerk getting lynched, which, would DEFINITELY had happened had Pyo's claim and a repeated RB on me not taken place.
It's town 101 to never lie, so it is either a HORRIBLE play by pyo, or great play by mafia, but either we lose.
If there is a real DT, they need to claim or Drazerk and supersoft will win the game tonight.
Alderan was not looking for someone to claim DT. He was clearly scum, and knew he was being bussed (it was 100% clear that he was scum here, in retrospect - had he actually been role-blocked he would have been certain there was a DT, not wishy-washy). Had the mafia, as you propose, planned for one of them to claim DT at this point Alderan's point would have been much more certain in that direction. Also it would have happened before he posted this.
You're really grasping at straws here. I just went from maybe 90% sure on you to 95%.
Thanks for the words about Cjr. Helps point the way to the third member of your club.
On June 27 2011 15:08 freeloader625 wrote: Shhh... do you hear the crickets? What started off started off as pages full of spam and back and forths' is now reduced to a dead game?
On June 24 2011 08:25 Alderan wrote: Its laughable......
Phenomenal play by mafia, for what its worth, I was RB'd again, but it doesn't matter, this is surely my death sentence and mafia will have won the game.
There are 2 scenarios to how this happened.
Pyo thought he was saving the game by false claiming DT, but it was way to obvious, mafia picked up on it and risked getting DT checked to have a sure fire scape goat, in me. They only need one vote, so even if a DT claimed now to save me it would cause so much uncertainty that it would almost certainly result in one of us casting a misslynch vote and the scum winning.
The other scenario is Pyo is scum, fake claimed, and then immediately took back his fake claim after the night. Again the key here is to force uncertainty. He knew that this would place me on the chopping blocks. But why would a mafia who is so far ahead risk it?
Well because they were afraid of their fearless leaderDrazerk getting lynched, which, would DEFINITELY had happened had Pyo's claim and a repeated RB on me not taken place.
It's town 101 to never lie, so it is either a HORRIBLE play by pyo, or great play by mafia, but either we lose.
If there is a real DT, they need to claim or Drazerk and supersoft will win the game tonight.
And think this really did it for me. Alderan went out of his way to distance, "fearless leader Drazerk" in his final post has me convinced you are scum. What really intrigues me is how you managed to stay out of being lynched for so long when you're obviously scum The cases have been made, the evidence has been presented, your distracting/confusing actions/posts were there.. yet it seemed we lynched everyone but the obvious. I have nothing more to say.
On June 24 2011 06:51 Drazerk wrote: Basically for this one day Alderan is a higher priority than me
So put the fingers down and trust me We have a lot of evidence pointing to him being scum and we must all vote for him
Mafia will be saying a lot of things in the next day as they screwed up last night, We must keep the focus on Alderan
Drazerk, please stop martyring. You have around 30 posts or so in this thread saying "oh, town is just gonna lynch me". They don't help town and only make you look scummier.
I am no longer Martyring we now no I am an easy scum target and that is what they will focus on
I am next on line and we can abuse this after seeing the out come of today
See this is a huge problem with newbie players. You can't explain the trap and have it work. Hold your f**king tongue (or keyboard). Rather than being quick to point everything out as you see it as soon as you see it, think about what you are doing and what it means. Then after someone has fallen for it, go ahead and point it out.
Still possibly worked
But we need to all vote unanimously at the moment votes would be spread - Drazerk, Supersoft and Freeloader (aka Mafia win)
I am going to hold my vote for now but we don't have an easy Mafia target like yesterday.
Freeloader if you are town we CANNOT be voting for different people so I encourage you to change it or you will have lost us the game.
If you don't change it your pretty much scum leading them into a easy win
Good grief, Drazerk. Its posts like this that made me think you scum in the first place. You're right, we need to build a consensus. You know what that requires? Voting. At this point in the game, delaying your vote will only help the mafia game the system. + Show Spoiler +
On June 27 2011 19:24 supersoft wrote: Yes of course. Lynch me for no reason. This will win us the game for sure. Just reread day one, when you all voted on gtrsrs. I was the only one who put in some effort and read his postings. All of you were just bandwagoning around blindly. We can't afford another mislynch.
luckily I have a much better plan that lynching me and losing:
Look at Alderans post. He wanted someone to claim DT. That means, that there must be a mafioso left, who could claim DT for him! Unfortunately for him, their plan was revealed. What happened now? obviously they abandoned their plan, because noone claimed! But let's have a look who didn't post/claimed something up to this point: Freeloader and CjrNinja. We have a 50/50 chance by now to get one of them now for sure!
Since you guys probably don't trust me and think that I am mafia, I stop now with my analysis. Because if I were mafia I'd probably suggest the townie out of these two. I let you decide who to lynch out of these two
(I am not mafia and I really don't want to lose, I recommend CrjNinja - He is lurking all the time and bandwagoning. Very passive player, would have been a perfect blue. Now we know there isn't another blue, that points towards red! freeloader on the other hand is one of the more active players in here. But I think his fast vote on Drazerk this day wasn't thought out too well, not really protown, too)
So we are all morons because we band-wagonned gtrsrs, whereas you have the distinction, night one, of having.... bandwagonned Aprudds? Um. Right.' + Show Spoiler +
On June 24 2011 08:25 Alderan wrote: Its laughable......
Phenomenal play by mafia, for what its worth, I was RB'd again, but it doesn't matter, this is surely my death sentence and mafia will have won the game.
There are 2 scenarios to how this happened.
Pyo thought he was saving the game by false claiming DT, but it was way to obvious, mafia picked up on it and risked getting DT checked to have a sure fire scape goat, in me. They only need one vote, so even if a DT claimed now to save me it would cause so much uncertainty that it would almost certainly result in one of us casting a misslynch vote and the scum winning.
The other scenario is Pyo is scum, fake claimed, and then immediately took back his fake claim after the night. Again the key here is to force uncertainty. He knew that this would place me on the chopping blocks. But why would a mafia who is so far ahead risk it?
Well because they were afraid of their fearless leaderDrazerk getting lynched, which, would DEFINITELY had happened had Pyo's claim and a repeated RB on me not taken place.
It's town 101 to never lie, so it is either a HORRIBLE play by pyo, or great play by mafia, but either we lose.
If there is a real DT, they need to claim or Drazerk and supersoft will win the game tonight.
Alderan was not looking for someone to claim DT. He was clearly scum, and knew he was being bussed (it was 100% clear that he was scum here, in retrospect - had he actually been role-blocked he would have been certain there was a DT, not wishy-washy). Had the mafia, as you propose, planned for one of them to claim DT at this point Alderan's point would have been much more certain in that direction. Also it would have happened before he posted this.
You're really grasping at straws here. I just went from maybe 90% sure on you to 95%.
Thanks for the words about Cjr. Helps point the way to the third member of your club.
if you read my posts, you would see that I only tried to save our medic. You only contributed by proposing a ridiculous plan right at the start of the game!
Drazerk you have to trust me. I am town. I don't think you are scum. CrjNinja most likely is scum! his buddy is treadmill or freeloader. I don't know. but we have to get scum today. Help me
Guys unless we actually focus someone down we lose ... no Ifs or buts
Free loader your vote is pointless at the moment and carries no weight change it or your Mafia scum
Also Ninja don't think we have not forgotten about you... If I don't hear something from you soon I will also hunt you down
Yeah, do you want to contribute and analyze something or do you keep making completely useless posts. Everyone knows the votecounts so far. There are 5 players left. It's not that difficult. And excuse me for spreading my vote. You may understand, that I don't vote against myself.
I'd appreciate your point of view on the whole thing. Do you agree with me? if you disagree, why?
okay perfect. Drazerk I trust you. But revengevoting isn't key to victory. Let's have a look at the possibilities:
supersoft, drazerk, treadmill VS. freeloader, crjninja
or
supersoft, drazerk, freeloader VS. treadmill, crjninja
These two set-ups are in my opinion the most reasonable set-ups. Treadmill had a slight relation to crjninja at day1.
supersoft, drazerk, crjninja VS. freeloader, treadmill
This set-up is very unlikely the real set-up, I read through the whole thread and there is no connection between these two guys... They also don't agree today and i'd have been easy for them to get one of us lynched if they would have been working together.
Because of this and my explanation before, I am convinced that crjninja is scum and the perfect lynch for today. if we are lucky, we may see something out of the votingbehavior of the other two fellows, to seal the deal.
ah, okay, we have 27 hours left. My fault sorry. I confused the day and the nightpost at the beginning of the page... I am writing/reading this from my iphone...
Just checking in to let you know I'm still paying attention to this thread. Cjr IS mega-lurking right now and the longer he does it the scummier he is.
Hmm. I can't say you've been terribly active either supersoft, yet that is the only basis towards your vote on me?
And, in regards to the 'slight relationship' I had with treadmill on day one (i'm assuming you meant the part where I voted you), at that time I was entertaining the notion that Treadmill was detective, asking for advice. As I recall, you never did end up explaining your rationale towards voting treadmill, apart from calling him useless. His plan for the DT was based on the fact that he thought Mafia had 2 KP.
Do you actually have anything to suggest that I am scum? Apart from my inactivity, because if not, your vote is random and in a lylo situation such as this, it's going to cost town the game.
My inactivity has been largely based on irl stuff and a lack of enthusiasm for playing after the thread died. Sorry to all (especially town) for being useless and not asking for a replacement after day1.
On June 28 2011 07:56 CjrNinja wrote: My inactivity has been largely based on irl stuff and a lack of enthusiasm for playing after the thread died. Sorry to all (especially town) for being useless and not asking for a replacement after day1.
Well I got you out of lurking, Everyone seems to be busing freeloader as well why don't we take him out today giving us tomorrow to deal with Cjr / Soft ?
i already posted my reason for cjrninja instead of freeloader. You don't trust me, treadmill and I don't trust you.
and yes, cjrninja comes out of lurking, but he doesn't give us anything. He doesn't defend himself and he doesn't post any reasons for his actions. He just accuses people, that were accused before. He even doesn't vote.
On June 28 2011 07:56 CjrNinja wrote: My inactivity has been largely based on irl stuff and a lack of enthusiasm for playing after the thread died. Sorry to all (especially town) for being useless and not asking for a replacement after day1.
Well I got you out of lurking, Everyone seems to be busing freeloader as well why don't we take him out today giving us tomorrow to deal with Cjr / Soft ?
Freeloader or Supersoft, I'll vote for either of them. I'm convinced you and treadmill are town.
On June 28 2011 08:42 supersoft wrote: i already posted my reason for cjrninja instead of freeloader. You don't trust me, treadmill and I don't trust you.
and yes, cjrninja comes out of lurking, but he doesn't give us anything. He doesn't defend himself and he doesn't post any reasons for his actions. He just accuses people, that were accused before. He even doesn't vote.
my vote stays on him.
Feel free to point out 'my actions'. All I see from your accusations is that I've been lurking.
On June 28 2011 08:42 supersoft wrote: i already posted my reason for cjrninja instead of freeloader. You don't trust me, treadmill and I don't trust you.
and yes, cjrninja comes out of lurking, but he doesn't give us anything. He doesn't defend himself and he doesn't post any reasons for his actions. He just accuses people, that were accused before. He even doesn't vote.
my vote stays on him.
Feel free to point out 'my actions'. All I see from your accusations is that I've been lurking.
On June 27 2011 19:24 supersoft wrote: Yes of course. Lynch me for no reason. This will win us the game for sure. Just reread day one, when you all voted on gtrsrs. I was the only one who put in some effort and read his postings. All of you were just bandwagoning around blindly. We can't afford another mislynch.
luckily I have a much better plan that lynching me and losing:
Look at Alderans post. He wanted someone to claim DT. That means, that there must be a mafioso left, who could claim DT for him! Unfortunately for him, their plan was revealed. What happened now? obviously they abandoned their plan, because noone claimed! But let's have a look who didn't post/claimed something up to this point: Freeloader and CjrNinja. We have a 50/50 chance by now to get one of them now for sure!
Since you guys probably don't trust me and think that I am mafia, I stop now with my analysis. Because if I were mafia I'd probably suggest the townie out of these two. I let you decide who to lynch out of these two
(I am not mafia and I really don't want to lose, I recommend CrjNinja - He is lurking all the time and bandwagoning. Very passive player, would have been a perfect blue. Now we know there isn't another blue, that points towards red! freeloader on the other hand is one of the more active players in here. But I think his fast vote on Drazerk this day wasn't thought out too well, not really protown, too)
'lurking' = rl stuff that had to take priority. Loss of interest in the game.
'voting' = voted for gtrsrs cause he advocated a plan in which there would be no chance of lynching a mafia day 1. Wasn't awake to change my vote after it was clear he was medic Voted for Xedat and Alderan because I was 100% sure they were scum.
Looks like i'm going to die, mafia victory time. GG guys, I'll be out for the rest of the night, won't be back before the deadline. Thanks to GM and Mataza for hosting <3 Peace.
Day ends in 30ish minutes. Inactive thread is inactive. Is the town about to lose? Or is the game going to go into the final night and day? Will any other random spirits show up in the town? What is the meaning of the universe and time itself? Some of these questions will be answered in a few minutes, others will not.
As twilight descended on Liquidia, panic ran rampant and unchecked through the remaining townies. After a comedy of errors which involved innocents being killed by their own hand, the death of the scum Alderan was supposed to be a breakthrough in their cause to rid the town of the tyranny that was plaguing them. The town hoped to recreate this success again, to save themselves.
The next town meeting gathered for the most important decision of their lives, but there was a notable absence from the proceedings. After trying to deflect questions from Treadmill and Drazerk, Supersoft quickly pointed out: "Let's hear CjrNinja's opinion, oh wait, he's not even here. Surprise, surprise".
Drazerk blinked and looked around "Christ, you're right. He's always been last to arrive and first to leave our other meetings, I didn't even notice his chair was empty!"
Supersoft, realizing the opportunity to save himself, shrugged, gave a shrewd grin and said "Well his absence can only mean one thing, and only one thing: He's one of them, lets do this".
Shouting in agreement, the other three jumped out of their chairs and hastened to follow Supersoft, who was leading the way.
Upon arriving at the house, the four quickly found their target sitting in the corner of his room, wearing only a loincloth and eating homemade butterscotch pudding. His four unwelcome visitors all shouted accusations and pointed fingers at him, demanding answers.
Cjrninja did not, or would not hear what the others had to say. He simply pointed at Freeloader and Supersoft and uttered only five words:
"Game over man, game over".
This was Supersoft's cue to grab the heaviest item available to him -A black fourth generation Game Boy with Super Mario Land 2 inserted in the slot- and proceed to beat Cjrninja to death with it, undeterred by the green pool of blood that was quickly forming around the recently deceased's body.
The others looked on, horrified, realizing the magnitude of their mistake. It was then they noticed freeloader's sinister grin as he pulled out a gun. "Too bad, so sad" he giggled, taking aim at a wide eyed Drazerk. With two ear ringing explosions Drazerk's head was blown to smithereens, his green blood mixing with that of Cjrninja. Treadmill ran, or at least tried to. Unfortunately for him, Supersoft was ready for him, with one single elegant motion he drove his knife through Treadmill's neck. The green gushing blood soaked supersoft as he laughed madly.
"We did it Paul!" supersoft yelled, "we killed the fuckers!". freeloader grinned. "Indeed we have, we can start summoning our friends from the other side now, no?" freeloader said, starting to draw a pentagram in blood around Alderan's corpse.
Cjrninja the town lazy bum (Vanilla Townie) has been lynched Drazerk the Suicidal Priest (Vanilla Townie) has been shot in the endgame Treadmill the Amnesiac Detective (Vanilla Townie) has been knifed in the endgame iGrok the random spirit, has appeared in town, and then vanished. supersoft the Sadistic Fanatic (Mafia Goon) has survived and won! freeloader the Necrophiliac Mastermind (Mafia Goon) has survived and won Alderan the Helicopter Enthusiast (Mafia Goon) wins from beyond the grave and will be brought back as an undead!
Game is over. Banlist requests for behavioral issues will be going out shortly, they should be limited to discussion in the ban list only. Well played by everyone, although the inactivity in the endgame was disappointing. Oh, and thanks to Cjrninja for writing his own death sequence, I quite liked it ^_^
Oh well, shoulda stuck with supersoft. I guess town just got really demoralized this game, thats why I didnt post as much as the game went on anyways. GG.
I wasn't sure about freeloader, but I had it down to either him or treadmill at the time I died. Freeloader primarily for this post. And Treadmill because of just general scummy play.
I still maintain that my false DT claim could have saved the game if gtrsrs had played along. In fact if he had gone ahead and claimed that he lied about being medic, the only way mafia would have known that I was actually lying was if freeloader was scum. Combined with the way supersoft reacted to my claim (it reeked of scum slip first criticizing the play and then backtracking on the criticism), we totally could have won if things had gone a little differently.
I wasn't sure about freeloader, but I had it down to either him or treadmill at the time I died. Freeloader primarily for this post. And Treadmill because of just general scummy play.
I still maintain that my false DT claim could have saved the game if gtrsrs had played along. In fact if he had gone ahead and claimed that he lied about being medic, the only way mafia would have known that I was actually lying was if freeloader was scum. Combined with the way supersoft reacted to my claim (it reeked of scum slip first criticizing the play and then backtracking on the criticism), we totally could have won if things had gone a little differently.
Unfortunately in your false DT claim you said that you checked fl625 and that he was green, so the mafia knew you were lying anyways. But I agree it was a good play, if a little confusing to the rest of us at first.
I wasn't sure about freeloader, but I had it down to either him or treadmill at the time I died. Freeloader primarily for this post. And Treadmill because of just general scummy play.
I still maintain that my false DT claim could have saved the game if gtrsrs had played along. In fact if he had gone ahead and claimed that he lied about being medic, the only way mafia would have known that I was actually lying was if freeloader was scum. Combined with the way supersoft reacted to my claim (it reeked of scum slip first criticizing the play and then backtracking on the criticism), we totally could have won if things had gone a little differently.
Unfortunately in your false DT claim you said that you checked fl625 and that he was green, so the mafia knew you were lying anyways. But I agree it was a good play, if a little confusing to the rest of us at first.
Yes mafia knew I was lying anyway, but if gtrsrs had gone along with it, the only way for mafia to have known I was lying was if freeloader was mafia. Therefore, when gtrsrs turned up dead anyway, freeloader would have been outed as scum. Picking freeloader wasn't by random (not totally anyway). I spent a little time deciding between him and you (treadmill) since I was suspicious of both of you.
I wasn't sure about freeloader, but I had it down to either him or treadmill at the time I died. Freeloader primarily for this post. And Treadmill because of just general scummy play.
I still maintain that my false DT claim could have saved the game if gtrsrs had played along. In fact if he had gone ahead and claimed that he lied about being medic, the only way mafia would have known that I was actually lying was if freeloader was scum. Combined with the way supersoft reacted to my claim (it reeked of scum slip first criticizing the play and then backtracking on the criticism), we totally could have won if things had gone a little differently.
Unfortunately in your false DT claim you said that you checked fl625 and that he was green, so the mafia knew you were lying anyways. But I agree it was a good play, if a little confusing to the rest of us at first.
Yes mafia knew I was lying anyway, but if gtrsrs had gone along with it, the only way for mafia to have known I was lying was if freeloader was mafia. Therefore, when gtrsrs turned up dead anyway, freeloader would have been outed as scum. Picking freeloader wasn't by random (not totally anyway). I spent a little time deciding between him and you (treadmill) since I was suspicious of both of you.
Oh, I see. Interesting. I hadn't quite understood that as being your strategy. I think you may have been overthinking things a little since the mafia may have just killed gtrsrs anyways, even if they thought you were DT.
On June 29 2011 07:22 supersoft wrote: i knew that you were lying... I posted it in the mafiaforum way before gtrsrs did :D
yeah, of course you did, because freeloader was mafia and I said he cleared as town. If you think about it from another perspective, the only ones who wouldn't know for sure whether I was lying or not would be vanilla townies. The fact that Cjr and Draz were both willing to believe me was a huge part of me thinking that they were both town.
Regardless of whether anyone believed me or not, in retrospect, all of the scum definitely made slips in reaction to my false claim - it's just that no one was really looking for them and/or applying any pressure in response.
I had intended to make a final night post before I died saying that town absolutely should have lynched you next and then flipped a coin between freeloader and treadmill, but I got hung up with work and didn't make it in time.
Anyway, gg mafia. Things might have been different if there hadn't been a big huge flame war followed by complete inactivity, but you guys took advantage of it pretty well.
I wasn't sure about freeloader, but I had it down to either him or treadmill at the time I died. Freeloader primarily for this post. And Treadmill because of just general scummy play.
I still maintain that my false DT claim could have saved the game if gtrsrs had played along. In fact if he had gone ahead and claimed that he lied about being medic, the only way mafia would have known that I was actually lying was if freeloader was scum. Combined with the way supersoft reacted to my claim (it reeked of scum slip first criticizing the play and then backtracking on the criticism), we totally could have won if things had gone a little differently.
Unfortunately in your false DT claim you said that you checked fl625 and that he was green, so the mafia knew you were lying anyways. But I agree it was a good play, if a little confusing to the rest of us at first.
Yes mafia knew I was lying anyway, but if gtrsrs had gone along with it, the only way for mafia to have known I was lying was if freeloader was mafia. Therefore, when gtrsrs turned up dead anyway, freeloader would have been outed as scum. Picking freeloader wasn't by random (not totally anyway). I spent a little time deciding between him and you (treadmill) since I was suspicious of both of you.
Oh, I see. Interesting. I hadn't quite understood that as being your strategy. I think you may have been overthinking things a little since the mafia may have just killed gtrsrs anyways, even if they thought you were DT.
It's like an onion. There were so many levels to it. I mean I spent like 2-3 hours just thinking about all the different possible outcomes/scenarios and regardless of what scenario the game was or how anyone reacted, town literally could be no worse off than they already were. Here is my reply to Mataza when he PM'ed me asking what I hoped to achieve from my claim. + Show Spoiler +
Well it's lynch or lose at this point and there is no way in which it is a bad play for town. At worst, everyone sees through it and nothing changes. At best, it protects the real DT if there is one (maybe absorbing a roleblock if there is one), it confuses the mafia, or at least makes them question what they are doing. If gtrsrs really was the medic (and wasn't so arrogant/cocky), it creates an opportunity for him to "claim" he lied about being medic and is just vanilla townie and could possibly save him - unfortunately (if he really is the medic), he immediately decided to call out the lie for what it was...
Also, it does creates a situation where the reactions to my fib can potentially induce a scum slip, but that's a longshot.
Regardless of whether I live or die through the night, the town will know my true alignment come morning so it isn't like I've created a more chaotic situation for the town. And depending on the situation and who mafia kill, there is a huge potential for a lot of information.
Basically, it's a bold gambit, but with no real downside, I figured why not give it a shot.
Although it didn't work out, I really put a lot of thought into it. I mean even in my original fake DT claim post, I tried dropping subtle hints to gtrsrs.
Has the Mafia forum been posted? I'm actually really curious to know exactly what they were thinking, especially with regard to alderan basically committing suicide.
Sorry I didn't go to any effort at the end guys... my fault for towns loss. Well played by the mafia team though, you guys capitalized well on the chaos that was day 1 as well as the subsequent inactivity. GG. Thanks to GMarshal and Mataza for hosting. <3 P.s. I would also like to see the mafia forum ^^
I give Pyo Town MVP by far. He made a play when town needed one desperately and came very close to catching us. I was scared what you might say.
I guess my own arrogance and insolence led to Alderans death. I kept telling them what to do, what to say, how to act and he didn't want to put up with it. I don't blame him. I needed time to think of a way out of the mess.
The original plan was for me to claim DT Day 3 because I had the most credibility at that point. The entire game I was setting up my DT claim, by hinting players roles subtly in my posts. Game would have been over but Pyo claimed and then slips started happening. At that point it was too late for me to claim DT.
Gtrsrs was good as well, except he was far too emotion so I kept him alive for a few turns to do my bidding >:D
Treadmill had potential this game, but was following the wrong leads most of it until it was too late. I was able to use this to my advantage.
My mafia partners were great, pulling through when they had to.
The rest of the players either died too early or lurked too much for me to comment.
moomoo 06-19-2011 01:00 AM ET (US) OMG pyo has 100% read on both of you guys! I need you to post this asap!
Oh yeah, who's a bad-ass, although not quite as spot on as Drazek's post was lol.
sup 06-20-2011 12:30 PM ET (US) okay who do we kill now? omgCRAZY or pyo
To think I was almost spared the insanity of the gtrsrs flame-a-thon
freeload 06-22-2011 08:39 PM ET (US) WAIT WTF?!? Hold on new posts to read.
Pyo that sly sly sly man. He just claimed DT and false cleared me as green. Hes playing desperate mind games where if he wins, the town has a chance, if he loses, the town would have lost anyway. He knows hes not DT and he want to figure out setup. Hes trying to save the medic. If we don't RB him he knows Alderan is scum. If we kill him, gtrsrs has to stay alive. But gtrsrs will save him now since he claimed DT. So killing Pyo is impossible... therefore Alderan will be exposed. Wowowowowowow I never saw this coming. Maybe if I counterclaim, but I can't because DT no longer exists because he didn't get Day 3 RB.
Shit just got real.
I need time to think. Please refrain from posting until I think of a plan. I have underestimated him. He may have singlehandedly saved town.
Boo-ya! Well if nothing else I did manage to cause a minor shit storm in the mafia QT and freak FL out.
Having read through the mafia QT, I think the mafia were trying too hard, lol. Honestly if they had done absolutely nothing all game except vote, they proabably would have won given how town killed off all the active posters day 1 and 2 all by themselves. Well done by supersoft at the end to confuse town enough into completely splitting their votes, but given that treadmill and CjrNinja were totally inactive all game long and Draz was acting all dazed and confused, it was kind of inevitable.
in the end i feel justified that drazerk turned out town retrospectively i hope you all see why lynching anyone but lord vatti on day 1 was a huge mistake, which snowballed into a town loss IMO
also Pyo your claim was not fooling the mafia at all, it's silly to think that. they knew there was no detective. me claiming to have lied wouldn't have done anything. i was *hoping* that you WERE the detective, and by me loudly claiming you had to be lying, it would wifom you into getting a read or something. i dunno. either way it was pointless imo
If we had lynched Lord Vatti day one mafia would not have been pressured to say anything, and we would have started the game with zero information and 2 townies down. If the try to lynch a mafioso day one we have a discussion and lots of information.
On June 29 2011 14:42 gtrsrs wrote: in my defense i was getting bandwagoned (by a clever mafia to be fair)
how are you still saying this when everyone that voted for you flipped green
gtrsrs, please do not try to claim that you bear no responsibility for the loss. You claimed you knew all the mafia, 100%, listing CjrNinja, Xedat, and Drazerk. All three were town. You flamed and you spammed up the thread for completely wrong suspicions, distracting the town and letting the mafia hide. If you can't realize that I really don't want to ever play another game with you in it.
hehe, yes, that medicclaim was pretty epic for us. But on the other hand, I don't think that it was gtrsrs' fault. Aprudds played overagressively and pressured gtrsrs into roleclaiming...
Please stop accusing each other for the loss. If you are going to do something like that, at least post some constructive help for where you think things went wrong and how to improve in the future. Calling each other bad or stupid doesn't do anything other than make people angry and make you look like a jerk.
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