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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
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Blazinghand
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Eiii
United States2566 Posts
On May 10 2012 01:13 l10f wrote: Good catch, I didn't mention layabout because I already said I had doubts about his being mafia on day 2. I guess I should have clarified that my view on him didn't change. Now do you have anything else to day except nitpicking at my post? But you voted for me on day 2  | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
On May 10 2012 01:14 Blazinghand wrote: I used to have this awesomely durable flip phone. I legitimately used it to pound in nails once. Now I have a Samsung Galaxy Nexus, and I've traded the hammerkind attribute for being able to read/post on TL anywhere. A fair trade. So, I guess while we're here, got any questions for me Mementoss? Sure. Do you still think Nova is the best lynch for the day? What are your recent thoughts on laya? Recent thoughts on marv? Do you have any reads outside the popular candidates? Do you still think that paq is town? Any possibility of a paqman/Nova scum team? Im at school. Just typed the first Q's that came to my head. Going out tonight and working on report. Will try to post before I head out to the pub after school. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
On May 10 2012 01:13 l10f wrote: Good catch, I didn't mention layabout because I already said I had doubts about his being mafia on day 2. I guess I should have clarified that my view on him didn't change. Now do you have anything else to day except nitpicking at my post? If by 'nitpicking' you mean 'pointing out you don't have a case', then no, no I do not. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On May 10 2012 01:19 Mementoss wrote: Sure, but only because you are so sexy. I just had a dream about you but I won't tell you the details. Do you still think Nova is the best lynch for the day? What are your recent thoughts on laya? Recent thoughts on marv? Do you have any reads outside the popular candidates? Do you still think that paq is town? Any possibility of a paqman/Nova scum team? Im at school. Just typed the first Q's that came to my head. Going out tonight and working on report. Will try to post before I head out to the pub after school. Well, that's kinda weird. I'm not into long distance things... but we can talk about that after the game. Okay though I'll answer your questions. 1) Nova best lynch, Laya okay, Marv acting like he did as town in LIII 2) Froggy is scummy 3) Yes, Yes On May 10 2012 01:19 marvellosity wrote: Well, we seem to have, out of 12 players, 6 lurkers by my count. Amidst our NT/layabout discussions, they're getting a free ride. Have any particularly roused your suspicions? yeah froggynoddy | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
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Eiii
United States2566 Posts
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
On May 10 2012 02:00 Eiii wrote: Oh, I should probably post this, too: I'm going to be voting for layabout. Obviously I wasn't convinced of his townieness yesterday and the flips only reinforced that suspicion! How does the flip reinforce your suspicions.? | ||
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Eiii
United States2566 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
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Nova_Terra
Switzerland1190 Posts
isnt it wonderful So anyway, as I promised i will be making an effort to do some analysis, i decided to do a bit of filter analysis on papapanda Please read his filter along with this case papapandas filter is surprisingly short. I didnt realize this until i actually went through his filter. Less than 2 pages. Papapanda starts off the game decently, actually. He seems to post some minor analysis on behavior at the beginning of the game in regards to blubb and grush. On May 03 2012 10:15 papapanda wrote: My guess is that grush is semi-lurker and just have been reading/agreeing/sheeping with what information that has/hasnot been posted by you. At first I would've have passed off the blue/green slip from blubbdavid as misreading because I can imagine myself accidentally misreading/mis-pronouncing blue/green. But from his defensive post i have to be a little suspicious. It is reasonable to vote for blubb if no one else comes out with major slip-ups, and the town has to lynch someone. Otherwise I would sit back and wait for N1 or D2 when more information might be available. Me is hardcore BLU! However, at the same time, i noticed a bit of noncommittal behavior on his thoughts on blubb. "i thought he probably misread, but im still somewhat suspicious" just say you have a neutral read if you're neutral on him. Then he kinda tries to make a very early bandwagon target. I dont like that. Then theres a bunch of 1 liners, with a question that makes it seem like he is contributing. he likes to continually state that he will lynch/unvote blubb, while at the same time saying nothing else about anyone. another thing to note is he puts a "placeholder vote" on blubb in case he cant make the deadline, effectively setting himself up to not be there and not post if he doesnt have to. Then he jumps on the GRUSH BE HELPFUL NOT THIS SHIT "contribution" bandwagon. Now here comes the parts that i think are pretty scummy. On May 05 2012 05:23 papapanda wrote: Blazinghand: I hate to be stepping into your line of fire, but I didn't find NT's post to be as bad as you make it sound like it is. Actually, I found that many of the points he made was very similar to the ones I tried to make. I agree with you on "too dumb to be scum" is not an argument at all but I also do not believe grush to be scum, even though he isn't helping much (blubbdavid, I said this in my previous post but this is basically all my thought on grush as of now). In fact, I share NT's suspicion of sinensis, and I assure you this is not just OMGUS. My original comment was just to get him to further explain his vote because he actually didn't say anything before his second response. I was shocked at what I believe to be an over-defensive reaction, one that might be coming from having something to hide, from sin. Given, he did provide sufficient evidence of reasoning, but he's accusation of me can hardly be called a read(from yourself, blazinghand). I am still undecided on a vote. I have some gut feelings about a few persons but no evidence to base that off of. This post goes like this SOFT DEFENSE SOFT DEFENSE AGREEMENT AGREEMENT SOFT DEFENSE and fluff. then he says he is totally undecided. come on, really? you can make a post spamming agreement and soft defense, but you cant make a solid read? Next comes a puny case of marvellosity after saying a conspiracy theory about how BM's lynching was orchestrated by scum, which seems mighty convenient coming from someone who soft defended BM and didnt take part in his lynch Then he reposts an idea from layabout and says its "interesting", then agrees again with someone else and sets up a cute little train "marv next after layabout" setting up for future lynch. Goes on to criticize defense again and agains, and now he goes back to a neutral read on blubb. and says that the only reason to think blubb was scum was becuase of his slip day 1 (wait, didnt he say that he thought this wasnt scummy and he could have easily done the same thing?) And some more 1 liners. Later, "i can see why you want to lynch N_T but like N_T said" MORE AGREEMENT, MORE AGREEMENT, NOOOOOOOOOOOOO PUSH SOMETHING OTHER THEN LAYABOUT/MARV MOOOOOOORE Then he seems like hes making a misunderstanding about mementoss on purpose allaround, Agrees a shitton, 1 liners a ton, and tunnels a good bit, soft defends so he can use it later so right now i feel comfortable putting a vote on him ##Vote: papapanda | ||
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Nova_Terra
Switzerland1190 Posts
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On May 05 2012 05:50 grush57 wrote: I don't think we should lynch katina or layabout or whoever posted the last couple pages with actual discussion. I say we either go for Bill Murray because he is lurking(though he may be inactive and will get modkilled) and he is Bill Murray, oar we go for sinai206 because of this: Uhh what? Also, I asked his thoughts on BH to which he never responded to. ##vote sinani206 He doesn't want to lynch me or katina because of posting with actual discussion. His defense of Katina in that one line amounts to about the same as my supposed "defence" but with less detail. On May 05 2012 05:51 grush57 wrote: Actually I agree layabout, I'll go BillMurray. He changes his vote because of my posts. On May 07 2012 02:00 grush57 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On May 07 2012 00:22 ghost_403 wrote: I swear to God I'm not dead. Pretty close though. Linear algebra (the real stuff, not that stupid matrix multiplication stuff they teach you in grade school) is the most amazing and difficult subject I've ever studied. It's kicking my ass at the moment. Catching up on the thread, brb. How convenient you were done studying just after you got pressured. On May 07 2012 01:08 ghost_403 wrote: Alright! All caught up. @BH: My cat was probably not on fire. If he was, I wouldn't know. Gave him to my old roommate, and he moved to California. Hope the cat's okay. I'd better check. That said, you were completely right, being gone like this is against my meta, and I wouldn't blame you for shooting me tonight. I hope to convince you otherwise by actually being useful to the town. I'll make you a deal: I'll help you find the three scum in the game, then you can shoot me. Sound good? @somethingawesome: It's very strange that you ask me to make a case on Kenpachi. He's been flying under the radar for quite some time now, why did you bring it up out of the blue? To actually answer your question, this post is the only post of his I've read in this game that doesn't sound 100% kenpachi. I'm not sure what to make of it quite yet. That's not enough for me to think he's scum, but it's enough for me to keep an eye on him for a while. As far as the marv, layabout, NT scum team? Marv probably rolled scum. In my notes on him, I have that the first thing he did this game was push a BM policy lynch. As much as I dislike paying with BM (sorry bro), I despise policy lynching insane players. See any game I've been in. Pushing a policy lynch on someone like him is an excuse not to scum hunt, and he goes on my naughty list. In addition to that, he pushed a case on l10f based on two posts. Seriously? He's not here, that doesn't make him scum. Most of the argument against layabout comes from his "hard defense" of Katina. That's not a hard defense at all. Saying a rather good player is moderately intelligent and shouldn't be lynch so early in the game is just good play. Nova_Tera reacted rather poorly to kenpachi's case against him, which struck me as scummy. Not enough to lynch him quite yet, but eough that I would keep my eye on him. Of the three, I would most like to lynch Marv. Gold star to JDub for being the first person to call me out for not posting here in two or three days. Another person I find scummy is grush, who claimed that he called out Katina and Sinani for being scum during day 1. Postmortem bus? Wut? Also, fuck you, Panera Bread. I want more than 30 minutes of internet during my lunch. + Show Spoiler + Turkey sandwich and french onion soup today, very tasty. Okay first off, you blame marvellosity(the player I think is the least likely scum of those 3) for policy lynching. Layabout STARTED the policy lynch after saying policy lynches are bad to save his scum buddy katina(who he defended hard), which would of all worked out if katina didn't get modkiled. Yeah I did claim both of them day 1 it wasn't post day1, however Katina was just a random vote but sinani206 was legit. I do see how you want to lynch the person who claimed both of his buddies. So the 3 remaining scum are: Layabout ghost_403 ??? grush abandons his scum reads on hops onto blubb after i had posted my case and voted. even though i am his (top or second top?) scumread. How do i become his scumread? By starting the BM lynch (which he supported), by defending Katina (like he did) and.... well that's all he has to say on the matter. On May 08 2012 04:04 grush57 wrote: Yeah, I'm gonna have to go with blubb over nova, nova seems more like a bad town than scum much more than blubb.(Did that make sense?) Plus, blubb has a good case against him, the only good case so far in the whole game yet. ##vote: Blubbdavid ghost (his other scumread) later puts his vote on blubb. Judging by this post + Show Spoiler + On May 08 2012 05:01 grush57 wrote: LOL I expained more why I voted for blubb then you buddy. Though it must suck to vote off another of your kind hmm? grush is telling us that he thinks that this is a bus from both of his scumreads. In that situation there would be almost no need to bus because before my vote Nova_Terra was still be lynched and ghosts vote ensured the lynch would be on blubb. If grush is being honest with us about his reads then Grush's vote on blubb makes next to no sense. He opportunistically followed his scumread onto a late wagon and remained on it when his other scumread joined it. I will also point out that that is almost the entirity of the content he has provided in the last 5 days. Except that he thinks that layabout, ghost, Nova and papaganda are the 4/2 scum left. + Show Spoiler + On May 08 2012 06:47 grush57 wrote: However seeing I have mystical powers calling these things, I'm gonna go ahead and say layabout, ghost 403 are definite scum. On May 08 2012 06:57 grush57 wrote: Oh and probably papapanda too. On May 09 2012 04:40 grush57 wrote: Why you aren't you scum? Don't you like easy lynches? + Show Spoiler + apparently i have not been taking stances. So i going to round up this post by foolishly asserting that he is definitely scum and i am going to add red bold text so that you all know how serious i am | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
I am unsure as to Layabout. It seems weird he would defend Katina and Kenpachi like he did if he were scum (WIFOM, i know, but still), seems way too obvious (though I don't know his town meta). The one noobie game (VIII I think) I played with NT he played really aggressive scum, which is the opposite of what he's been doing now. That said, its one thing to play aggressive in a noobie game, its quite another if you're playing in a full on game with the likes of BH, Palmar and co... If it comes between the two, I might go for Layabout. this is because a vet dodging cases and not actively scumhunting seems more suspicious to me than a noob. As I am tending towards the NT is bad noob read, and am considering Laya as scum. I'd like to consider Grush as the second lynch candidate. Some of this has been said before but I feel like its worth bringing up again in context with whats happened since Day1 I would vote you blubbdavid, but I have enough people witchhunting me now.(And I didn't even rage on ladder how unlucky am I?) Though, I could just filter and quote everything and that would get the job done. It seems odd that a townie would refuse to vote against someone he thought was scum, particularly as blubb had the strongest case at the time (apart from himself). Not conclusive proof but odd nevertheless. ... more terrible reaction to pressure. He then OMGUSes Blazing hard with: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=331187¤tpage=19#376 and http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=331187¤tpage=19#380 Katina and Sinani then flip scum. He proceeds to make sure that everyone remembers that he: On May 05 2012 07:32 grush57 wrote: THATS RIGHT I RANDOM VOTED KATINA AND I PUT UP SINA206 FOR QUESITONING. This on its own is not alignment dependent as both townie and scum would want to try and shake either misplaced (in the former) or well-placed (in the latter) suspicion. What I think is more determining is how he followed up his play. After a brief though frankly quite weak attack on Ghost: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=331187¤tpage=37#725 (if you read this it actually has very little content... easy way to seem proactive townie but really took no effort at all) On May 08 2012 04:04 grush57 wrote: Yeah, I'm gonna have to go with blubb over nova, nova seems more like a bad town than scum much more than blubb.(Did that make sense?) Plus, blubb has a good case against him, the only good case so far in the whole game yet. ##vote: Blubbdavid But what is even more odd, even though he seems pretty sure that laya and ghost are scum, he decides to vote blubb, with practically no reasoning, this makes no sense to me. If its a standard lynch then it is important that you vote for who you see is most likely to be scum and try and convince people since we don't need a town compromise in the case of a makority lynch (do I mean majority or plurality? I mean 50%+1) The rest of his filter are contentless one liners. With a little again, certainty of Ghost and layabout's guilt: On May 08 2012 06:47 grush57 wrote: However seeing I have mystical powers calling these things, I'm gonna go ahead and say layabout, ghost 403 are definite scum. No cases, no content (particularly since he was 'cleared of suspicion - which makes his lurking doubly dangerous), no stances, NOT TOWN ##Vote Grush57 | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
so my scumteam is in here: grush57 l10f Eiii papapanda | ||
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Nova_Terra
Switzerland1190 Posts
On May 10 2012 04:52 layabout wrote: froggynoddy you are now confirmed town so my scumteam is in here: grush57 l10f Eiii papapanda cant tell if forgotten or actually made it out of the scumreads | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
froggynoddy you are now confirmed town . This I already knew, what I want to know is your alignment. Your case on Grush as well as the above scum-list makes a Grush-Laya team exceedingly unlikely (which was one of the /easyhypotheses I was considering). NT's , in my eyes weak/case on papaganda feels like it could be a last ditch attempt to throw off suspicion by picking on a lurker, still not as convinced on NT as I am of Grush. Laya picked up on the odd voting habits of grush and points it out in his case (better than I did), which to me seems townie (at least more so than NT). Of the 3 others on your list i find Eiii the most suspicious due to his wanton sheeping and lack of content. I think NT is a more lynchable candidate though, not to mention your good self (should I somehow be wrong about grush). | ||
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