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froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
May 09 2012 20:09 GMT
#1141
EBWOP: obviously talking to Layabout, sorry.
'better still, a satisfied man'
grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
May 09 2012 20:21 GMT
#1142
HAHAHAHAH well froggynoddy and layabout are confirmed scum, they just both went on my case as it was a coincidence, even though both cases suck. GL getting the town to lynch with you.
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
l10f *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3241 Posts
May 09 2012 20:23 GMT
#1143
On May 10 2012 04:52 layabout wrote:
froggynoddy you are now confirmed town
so my scumteam is in here:
grush57
l10f
Eiii
papapanda


##vote grush57

am I confirmed too now? good.

##unvote

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grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
May 09 2012 20:24 GMT
#1144
At the same time hmm, wonder if that was QT. However I am suprised Nova isn't mafia after about 20 excuses about not being able to make a case. You may call me a hypocrite for not making a case too, but the point still stands. Besides I don't have to the scum is so obvious and town has this in the bag.
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
May 09 2012 20:25 GMT
#1145
On May 10 2012 04:52 layabout wrote:
froggynoddy you are now confirmed town
so my scumteam is in here:
grush57
l10f
Eiii
papapanda


Are u retarded? All 3 of your buddies are dead, and you post 4 ALL NONE OF WHICH HAVE FLIPPED SCUM.
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
l10f *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3241 Posts
May 09 2012 20:25 GMT
#1146
On May 10 2012 01:17 Eiii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 01:13 l10f wrote:
On May 09 2012 20:27 marvellosity wrote:
On May 09 2012 12:34 l10f wrote:
Also, I'm reading this thread often, I just don't post if I don't have anything to add to the discussion. I'm not really good at picking out many scum, but I think I'm pretty good at weighing other people's cases and using them to deduce who the scum is, so I just read all the cases and vote for the person I think is the most scummy. Neither N_T or blubb gave me that feeling last day, so I voted for neither. Again, I don't feel N_T is scum so I'm holding my vote for now. If we don't get a better candidate I'm gonna go with my gut feeling and vote marv.


Also here you completely forgo mentioning layabout. Apparently you have nothing to say on one of the main lynch candidates.


Good catch, I didn't mention layabout because I already said I had doubts about his being mafia on day 2. I guess I should have clarified that my view on him didn't change. Now do you have anything else to day except nitpicking at my post?


But you voted for me on day 2


Because you looked like an obvious scum then.

You and marv #1 scum team?
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grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
May 09 2012 20:26 GMT
#1147
Though none of them died so they couldn't flip scum, however it is pretty clear they are all town.
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
May 09 2012 20:34 GMT
#1148
grush, can you maybe make a reasonable geuss at what i meant by that post?

Are you saying that papaganda is town now?
+ Show Spoiler +
i will give you a hint, it contains living players because the scum that we are looking for are still alive
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papapanda
Profile Joined April 2010
Taiwan326 Posts
May 09 2012 20:44 GMT
#1149
On May 10 2012 04:17 Nova_Terra wrote:
Just got back from yet another apple store, looks like im gonna have to take an hour train ride to get to a place where teh iphone can be repaired for around 150$
isnt it wonderful

So anyway, as I promised i will be making an effort to do some analysis, i decided to do a bit of filter analysis on papapanda
Please read his filter along with this case

papapandas filter is surprisingly short. I didnt realize this until i actually went through his filter. Less than 2 pages.
Papapanda starts off the game decently, actually. He seems to post some minor analysis on behavior at the beginning of the game in regards to blubb and grush.


I made a neat compilation of all your post into a word document and counted your words to be 2653. I excluded all text in quotes. This data is up to this post.
On May 10 2012 04:56 Nova_Terra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 04:52 layabout wrote:
froggynoddy you are now confirmed town
so my scumteam is in here:
grush57
l10f
Eiii
papapanda

cant tell if forgotten or actually made it out of the scumreads


I also made one for myself, ofcourse excluding all text in quotes, and the count is 2213(not including this post, which has 280 words).
4 pages? 4 pages of spam maybe.

On May 10 2012 04:17 Nova_Terra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 10:15 papapanda wrote:
My guess is that grush is semi-lurker and just have been reading/agreeing/sheeping with what information that has/hasnot been posted by you.

At first I would've have passed off the blue/green slip from blubbdavid as misreading because I can imagine myself accidentally misreading/mis-pronouncing blue/green. But from his defensive post i have to be a little suspicious.

On May 03 2012 07:55 blubbdavid wrote:
One post on D1 doesn't make someone scum. Even if I probably deserve a warning for my stupidity.
Will defend myself tomorrow, it's late here. And if it is even worth it.

And when you vote, please use the proper thread.


It is reasonable to vote for blubb if no one else comes out with major slip-ups, and the town has to lynch someone.
Otherwise I would sit back and wait for N1 or D2 when more information might be available.

Me is hardcore BLU!

However, at the same time, i noticed a bit of noncommittal behavior on his thoughts on blubb. "i thought he probably misread, but im still somewhat suspicious" just say you have a neutral read if you're neutral on him. Then he kinda tries to make a very early bandwagon target. I dont like that.


I was not neutral on Blubb at that stage of the game, your summary of my post is very underrepresentative. It should be"I thought he misread, but his defense made me suspicious." I didn't think that was enough evidence to lynch him ATM.

On May 10 2012 04:17 Nova_Terra wrote:
Then theres a bunch of 1 liners, with a question that makes it seem like he is contributing. he likes to continually state that he will lynch/unvote blubb, while at the same time saying nothing else about anyone. another thing to note is he puts a "placeholder vote" on blubb in case he cant make the deadline, effectively setting himself up to not be there and not post if he doesnt have to.
Then he jumps on the GRUSH BE HELPFUL NOT THIS SHIT "contribution" bandwagon.

I would like to remind you that I did, in fact, post afterwards when I realize that I would not miss the deadline.

On May 10 2012 04:17 Nova_Terra wrote:
Now here comes the parts that i think are pretty scummy.

Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 05:23 papapanda wrote:
Blazinghand:
I hate to be stepping into your line of fire, but I didn't find NT's post to be as bad as you make it sound like it is. Actually, I found that many of the points he made was very similar to the ones I tried to make.

I agree with you on "too dumb to be scum" is not an argument at all but I also do not believe grush to be scum, even though he isn't helping much (blubbdavid, I said this in my previous post but this is basically all my thought on grush as of now).

In fact, I share NT's suspicion of sinensis, and I assure you this is not just OMGUS. My original comment was just to get him to further explain his vote because he actually didn't say anything before his second response. I was shocked at what I believe to be an over-defensive reaction, one that might be coming from having something to hide, from sin. Given, he did provide sufficient evidence of reasoning, but he's accusation of me can hardly be called a read(from yourself, blazinghand).


I am still undecided on a vote. I have some gut feelings about a few persons but no evidence to base that off of.

This post goes like this

SOFT DEFENSE SOFT DEFENSE AGREEMENT AGREEMENT SOFT DEFENSE

and fluff. then he says he is totally undecided. come on, really? you can make a post spamming agreement and soft defense, but you cant make a solid read?


No, I couldn't make a solid read because I didn't have enough information. This is your read:
On May 05 2012 06:00 Nova_Terra wrote:
In accordance with popular demand, i will share my top scumread which is currently Mementoss (not based on OMGUS)

mementoss starts off suggesting to policy lynch two people, etc. Makes a few totally unneccessary 1 liners, and then when he is called out on it he goes NO WAIT i has reason, then decided to teach us, which just came off freaking weird.
Then he goes aggressive on layabout, throwing suspicion while not doing much of anything, then joins the Grush did something scummy this looks really bad group. not original. then after blazing notes something on me he joins in that too, and makes remarks in an unsure way, seeming to want to be able to backtrack if necessary. then, when called out on it, he goes into defensive aggression mode and suddenly gains massive confidence which hadnt been in his play before.
Overall
1liners
Enlightens us on 1 liners
throws suspicion while not doing much at all
joins scummy bandwagon
seems unsure
agrees with an Oh i noticed the same thing!
makes arguments based on my meta, which is questionable entirely based on the fact that i never play this lurky, town or scum
randomly gets massively confident, as opposed to his earlier play, its as if someone told him to be more sure

and so ##Vote: Mementoss


Seems to fit yourself better then mementoss. solid? No.

On May 10 2012 04:17 Nova_Terra wrote:
Next comes a puny case of marvellosity after saying a conspiracy theory about how BM's lynching was orchestrated by scum, which seems mighty convenient coming from someone who soft defended BM and didnt take part in his lynch

Then he reposts an idea from layabout and says its "interesting", then agrees again with someone else and sets up a cute little train "marv next after layabout" setting up for future lynch.
Goes on to criticize defense again and agains, and now he goes back to a neutral read on blubb. and says that the only reason to think blubb was scum was becuase of his slip day 1 (wait, didnt he say that he thought this wasnt scummy and he could have easily done the same thing?)
And some more 1 liners.
Later,
"i can see why you want to lynch N_T but like N_T said"
MORE AGREEMENT, MORE AGREEMENT, NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
PUSH SOMETHING OTHER THEN LAYABOUT/MARV MOOOOOOORE
Then he seems like hes making a misunderstanding about mementoss on purpose

allaround,
Agrees a shitton, 1 liners a ton, and tunnels a good bit, soft defends so he can use it later
so right now i feel comfortable putting a vote on him
##Vote: papapanda


Keyword is last section is "Agree". Yes, I will admit if I am seeing a player agreeing all the time, it raises some suspicion that he is trying to stay off the radar. However, this is how I talk/post; if you want I can try to change that but it might/not work. If you feel like this is enough to lynch me, I won't pressure you for more reason, but I want you to seriously reconsider.
I think I have my two scums in layabout and marv. While I am definitely keeping my head up for other suspicious people, this is where my focus lies.

If you want to find someone with little posts, look at sinensis.
Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
May 09 2012 20:46 GMT
#1150
On May 10 2012 05:26 grush57 wrote:
Though none of them died so they couldn't flip scum, however it is pretty clear they are all town.

how
Proud supporter of the Basking Rootwalla
papapanda
Profile Joined April 2010
Taiwan326 Posts
May 09 2012 20:46 GMT
#1151
On May 10 2012 05:34 layabout wrote:
grush, can you maybe make a reasonable geuss at what i meant by that post?

Are you saying that papaganda is town now?
+ Show Spoiler +
i will give you a hint, it contains living players because the scum that we are looking for are still alive


papapanda!
Sinensis
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2513 Posts
May 09 2012 20:46 GMT
#1152
N_T your "analysis" post makes me feel like we are playing a different game. No one is going to vote papapanda today...

If you're scum why didn't you deflect attention onto an easier target like layabout? Is layabout your scum buddy? Why didn't you deflect attention onto layabout anyway, do you think he's town?

If you are town and you have been suspecting papapanda for a while now, why didn't you say something about it before everyone was on your back asking for contribution? You could have at least mentioned you were suspicious of him and that would have counted for a small contribution.
Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
May 09 2012 20:54 GMT
#1153
[spoiler]
On May 10 2012 05:44 papapanda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 04:17 Nova_Terra wrote:
Just got back from yet another apple store, looks like im gonna have to take an hour train ride to get to a place where teh iphone can be repaired for around 150$
isnt it wonderful

So anyway, as I promised i will be making an effort to do some analysis, i decided to do a bit of filter analysis on papapanda
Please read his filter along with this case

papapandas filter is surprisingly short. I didnt realize this until i actually went through his filter. Less than 2 pages.
Papapanda starts off the game decently, actually. He seems to post some minor analysis on behavior at the beginning of the game in regards to blubb and grush.


I made a neat compilation of all your post into a word document and counted your words to be 2653. I excluded all text in quotes. This data is up to this post.
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 04:56 Nova_Terra wrote:
On May 10 2012 04:52 layabout wrote:
froggynoddy you are now confirmed town
so my scumteam is in here:
grush57
l10f
Eiii
papapanda

cant tell if forgotten or actually made it out of the scumreads


I also made one for myself, ofcourse excluding all text in quotes, and the count is 2213(not including this post, which has 280 words).
4 pages? 4 pages of spam maybe.

Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 04:17 Nova_Terra wrote:
On May 03 2012 10:15 papapanda wrote:
My guess is that grush is semi-lurker and just have been reading/agreeing/sheeping with what information that has/hasnot been posted by you.

At first I would've have passed off the blue/green slip from blubbdavid as misreading because I can imagine myself accidentally misreading/mis-pronouncing blue/green. But from his defensive post i have to be a little suspicious.

On May 03 2012 07:55 blubbdavid wrote:
One post on D1 doesn't make someone scum. Even if I probably deserve a warning for my stupidity.
Will defend myself tomorrow, it's late here. And if it is even worth it.

And when you vote, please use the proper thread.


It is reasonable to vote for blubb if no one else comes out with major slip-ups, and the town has to lynch someone.
Otherwise I would sit back and wait for N1 or D2 when more information might be available.

Me is hardcore BLU!

However, at the same time, i noticed a bit of noncommittal behavior on his thoughts on blubb. "i thought he probably misread, but im still somewhat suspicious" just say you have a neutral read if you're neutral on him. Then he kinda tries to make a very early bandwagon target. I dont like that.


I was not neutral on Blubb at that stage of the game, your summary of my post is very underrepresentative. It should be"I thought he misread, but his defense made me suspicious." I didn't think that was enough evidence to lynch him ATM.

Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 04:17 Nova_Terra wrote:
Then theres a bunch of 1 liners, with a question that makes it seem like he is contributing. he likes to continually state that he will lynch/unvote blubb, while at the same time saying nothing else about anyone. another thing to note is he puts a "placeholder vote" on blubb in case he cant make the deadline, effectively setting himself up to not be there and not post if he doesnt have to.
Then he jumps on the GRUSH BE HELPFUL NOT THIS SHIT "contribution" bandwagon.

I would like to remind you that I did, in fact, post afterwards when I realize that I would not miss the deadline.

Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 04:17 Nova_Terra wrote:
Now here comes the parts that i think are pretty scummy.

On May 05 2012 05:23 papapanda wrote:
Blazinghand:
I hate to be stepping into your line of fire, but I didn't find NT's post to be as bad as you make it sound like it is. Actually, I found that many of the points he made was very similar to the ones I tried to make.

I agree with you on "too dumb to be scum" is not an argument at all but I also do not believe grush to be scum, even though he isn't helping much (blubbdavid, I said this in my previous post but this is basically all my thought on grush as of now).

In fact, I share NT's suspicion of sinensis, and I assure you this is not just OMGUS. My original comment was just to get him to further explain his vote because he actually didn't say anything before his second response. I was shocked at what I believe to be an over-defensive reaction, one that might be coming from having something to hide, from sin. Given, he did provide sufficient evidence of reasoning, but he's accusation of me can hardly be called a read(from yourself, blazinghand).


I am still undecided on a vote. I have some gut feelings about a few persons but no evidence to base that off of.

This post goes like this

SOFT DEFENSE SOFT DEFENSE AGREEMENT AGREEMENT SOFT DEFENSE

and fluff. then he says he is totally undecided. come on, really? you can make a post spamming agreement and soft defense, but you cant make a solid read?


No, I couldn't make a solid read because I didn't have enough information. This is your read:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 06:00 Nova_Terra wrote:
In accordance with popular demand, i will share my top scumread which is currently Mementoss (not based on OMGUS)

mementoss starts off suggesting to policy lynch two people, etc. Makes a few totally unneccessary 1 liners, and then when he is called out on it he goes NO WAIT i has reason, then decided to teach us, which just came off freaking weird.
Then he goes aggressive on layabout, throwing suspicion while not doing much of anything, then joins the Grush did something scummy this looks really bad group. not original. then after blazing notes something on me he joins in that too, and makes remarks in an unsure way, seeming to want to be able to backtrack if necessary. then, when called out on it, he goes into defensive aggression mode and suddenly gains massive confidence which hadnt been in his play before.
Overall
1liners
Enlightens us on 1 liners
throws suspicion while not doing much at all
joins scummy bandwagon
seems unsure
agrees with an Oh i noticed the same thing!
makes arguments based on my meta, which is questionable entirely based on the fact that i never play this lurky, town or scum
randomly gets massively confident, as opposed to his earlier play, its as if someone told him to be more sure

and so ##Vote: Mementoss


Seems to fit yourself better then mementoss. solid? No.

Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 04:17 Nova_Terra wrote:
Next comes a puny case of marvellosity after saying a conspiracy theory about how BM's lynching was orchestrated by scum, which seems mighty convenient coming from someone who soft defended BM and didnt take part in his lynch

Then he reposts an idea from layabout and says its "interesting", then agrees again with someone else and sets up a cute little train "marv next after layabout" setting up for future lynch.
Goes on to criticize defense again and agains, and now he goes back to a neutral read on blubb. and says that the only reason to think blubb was scum was becuase of his slip day 1 (wait, didnt he say that he thought this wasnt scummy and he could have easily done the same thing?)
And some more 1 liners.
Later,
"i can see why you want to lynch N_T but like N_T said"
MORE AGREEMENT, MORE AGREEMENT, NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
PUSH SOMETHING OTHER THEN LAYABOUT/MARV MOOOOOOORE
Then he seems like hes making a misunderstanding about mementoss on purpose

allaround,
Agrees a shitton, 1 liners a ton, and tunnels a good bit, soft defends so he can use it later
so right now i feel comfortable putting a vote on him
##Vote: papapanda


Keyword is last section is "Agree". Yes, I will admit if I am seeing a player agreeing all the time, it raises some suspicion that he is trying to stay off the radar. However, this is how I talk/post; if you want I can try to change that but it might/not work. If you feel like this is enough to lynch me, I won't pressure you for more reason, but I want you to seriously reconsider.
I think I have my two scums in layabout and marv. While I am definitely keeping my head up for other suspicious people, this is where my focus lies.

If you want to find someone with little posts, look at sinensis.

Hmm. I find it interesting that you seem to think that your reads were solid and mine werent. mine were "mem does X Y And Z scummy" and voted on it, yours were "i agree with X that Y is scummy but it goes along with Ys meta" etc. with no real pressure on it a all.

Please change the agree thing.
I will think over your posting more, but for now i leave my vote on you. i am interested as to what your two scumreads flip as, however.
Proud supporter of the Basking Rootwalla
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
May 09 2012 20:56 GMT
#1154
Who's that pokemon?
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 10 2012 05:46 papapanda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 05:34 layabout wrote:
grush, can you maybe make a reasonable geuss at what i meant by that post?

Are you saying that papaganda is town now?
+ Show Spoiler +
i will give you a hint, it contains living players because the scum that we are looking for are still alive


papapanda!



+ Show Spoiler +
That's right! It's papapanda!


+ Show Spoiler +
Sorry
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Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
May 09 2012 20:56 GMT
#1155
On May 10 2012 05:46 Sinensis wrote:
N_T your "analysis" post makes me feel like we are playing a different game. No one is going to vote papapanda today...

If you're scum why didn't you deflect attention onto an easier target like layabout? Is layabout your scum buddy? Why didn't you deflect attention onto layabout anyway, do you think he's town?

If you are town and you have been suspecting papapanda for a while now, why didn't you say something about it before everyone was on your back asking for contribution? You could have at least mentioned you were suspicious of him and that would have counted for a small contribution.

The post that set me off on papapanda and made me remember that he was in the game is one where he agreed with me and didnt at the same time
or maybe it was when he agreed with me and understood someone else.
before that, i didnt really think anything of him
also im not scum, and therefore im not deflecting onto an easy target when i want these thoughts on papa out
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Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
May 09 2012 20:58 GMT
#1156
also sin, i am really neutral as to layabout now. his defense of himself seems relatively genuine.
Proud supporter of the Basking Rootwalla
Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
May 09 2012 20:59 GMT
#1157
On May 10 2012 05:26 grush57 wrote:
Though none of them died so they couldn't flip scum, however it is pretty clear they are all town.

answer
how is it clear in any way that they are all town
Proud supporter of the Basking Rootwalla
grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
May 09 2012 21:00 GMT
#1158
[QUOTE]On May 10 2012 05:58 Nova_Terra wrote:
also sin, i am really neutral as to layabout now. his defense of himself seems relatively genuine.[/QUOTE

That isn't a suspicious post.
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
Sinensis
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2513 Posts
May 09 2012 21:03 GMT
#1159
On May 10 2012 05:58 Nova_Terra wrote:
also sin, i am really neutral as to layabout now. his defense of himself seems relatively genuine.


It seems genuine relative to what?

Relative to the fact that he's scum? Yeah I agree he did an okay job. Doesn't mean his time hasn't come.
Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
May 09 2012 21:03 GMT
#1160
no, ofc not
now answer
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