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It appears to me that you have expectations of me that you clearly do not have of others and that those expectations are not realistic ones. From the comments you make they would appear to be along these lines:
1. That a player should be voicing suspicions against a player for quite a period of time before posting a case and then voting.
2. That a player should be voicing all of the suspicions that they have
1. That a player should be voicing suspicions against a player for quite a period of time before posting a case and then voting.
2. That a player should be voicing all of the suspicions that they have
First off, wth are you talking about? Unrealistic expectations? I did not state that you should list every single suspicion you have, that's nothing close to what I said. What #1 in my case points out is that *drumline* You had made no previous mention of blubby except this: + Show Spoiler +
On May 07 2012 03:18 layabout wrote:
here:
This is a strange thing to assert when as a townie you do not know who scum are and if they thought that Katina was coming back or not.
Also when he votes for me he emphasises that it is to get me to answer his question.
He begins by saying that i am scum. If he believes this then surely that should be the reason for his vote. By saying that he wants a response he gives himself a way to back out of pushing me. If he truly believes that i am scum then he would have no reason to do this.
here:
This is a strange thing to assert when as a townie you do not know who scum are and if they thought that Katina was coming back or not.
Also when he votes for me he emphasises that it is to get me to answer his question.
He begins by saying that i am scum. If he believes this then surely that should be the reason for his vote. By saying that he wants a response he gives himself a way to back out of pushing me. If he truly believes that i am scum then he would have no reason to do this.
In which you no make no attempt to read his alignment. The most we can conclude from that post is that you think he's a strange townie. And yet, only a few hours after DYH made his case, you seemingly pulled a case out of nowhere agaisnt him and pushed it.
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To me the scummiest of the remaining players were Johnnywub and Blubbdavid.
Your scummiest reads at that time were jdub and blubb.
You call out jdub: + Show Spoiler [seen here] +
On May 07 2012 10:00 layabout wrote:
@papapanda,
The number of players that make sense is far smaller than you appear to think it is. You should treasure the ones that do.
Johnnywub:
skim through his filter from Area 53 mafia
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128&user=99700
These are some of his comments (+1 from host) after the game.
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The key things to note are that Johnny:
I see no signs of his town game so far.
johnnywub is sitting back and watching the thread. When i called him out he instantly de-lurked, said nothing, and left.
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@papapanda,
The number of players that make sense is far smaller than you appear to think it is. You should treasure the ones that do.
Johnnywub:
skim through his filter from Area 53 mafia
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128&user=99700
These are some of his comments (+1 from host) after the game.
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On May 05 2012 09:18 iGrok wrote:
Johnny is probably town MVP. Matt is scum MVP.
Also, well done by scum not to give up when St.Daniel got modkilled.
Johnny is probably town MVP. Matt is scum MVP.
Also, well done by scum not to give up when St.Daniel got modkilled.
On May 05 2012 09:06 johnnywup wrote:
it was too late, i was away and it was 5:01. also fml i feel so shitty now. I had decent reads but I can't convey reads for shit.
it was too late, i was away and it was 5:01. also fml i feel so shitty now. I had decent reads but I can't convey reads for shit.
On May 05 2012 09:28 johnnywup wrote:
im sorry i failed you town
im sorry i failed you town
On May 05 2012 09:35 johnnywup wrote:
bleh i feel so guilty for this game. if i conveyed my reads a little better or something i dont know but bleh
bleh i feel so guilty for this game. if i conveyed my reads a little better or something i dont know but bleh
On May 05 2012 09:41 johnnywup wrote:
i thought you were scum mattchew and thats primarily because you allowed an ottox lynch with 2 confirmed scum. but no one listened to me so ugh
i thought you were scum mattchew and thats primarily because you allowed an ottox lynch with 2 confirmed scum. but no one listened to me so ugh
On May 05 2012 09:49 johnnywup wrote:
matt, the timing didn't make sense as town which was my second biggest issue. but no one listened to me. urghh
matt, the timing didn't make sense as town which was my second biggest issue. but no one listened to me. urghh
The key things to note are that Johnny:
- Posts a lot, this does not necessarily mean that we should expect him to have a massive filter but he does put a lot of time, thought and energy into the game as town.
- He is concerned about communicating his ideas to others and convincing them
- He is working to improve his town game
- He feels like he owes town something
I see no signs of his town game so far.
johnnywub is sitting back and watching the thread. When i called him out he instantly de-lurked, said nothing, and left.
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On May 07 2012 04:45 johnnywup wrote:
I'll be completely honest, I've been addicted to that 999 game so I haven't been posting much.
Also I don't want any gold stars. i looked at a filter, saw something odd, pointed it out. that's what all town should be doing. Speaking of which I'm gonna look over some filters now. I'll report back when I have something substantial
I'll be completely honest, I've been addicted to that 999 game so I haven't been posting much.
Also I don't want any gold stars. i looked at a filter, saw something odd, pointed it out. that's what all town should be doing. Speaking of which I'm gonna look over some filters now. I'll report back when I have something substantial
On May 07 2012 04:52 johnnywup wrote:
lol i love how NT says "it would be correct to be shooting into the lurker crowd" while lurking himself
lol i love how NT says "it would be correct to be shooting into the lurker crowd" while lurking himself
On May 07 2012 04:54 johnnywup wrote:
i just noticed that from your post and thought it was interesting. i guess it is rehashing. I'm just agreeing that it's strange and scummy
i just noticed that from your post and thought it was interesting. i guess it is rehashing. I'm just agreeing that it's strange and scummy
On May 07 2012 05:02 johnnywup wrote:
Paqman Marv BH and Mementoss are all saying the same thing at approximately the same time? weird, maybe you just agree with one another and want to quote it as if you found it yourself? O_o
Paqman Marv BH and Mementoss are all saying the same thing at approximately the same time? weird, maybe you just agree with one another and want to quote it as if you found it yourself? O_o
However, you completely dropped johnnywub and instead pull a case (out of nowhere) against blubb, after DYH made his. What this looks like is that you couldn't pull support against Jdub. Instead, when it's obvious that townies would support a blubb mislynch, you pull out your own case and push forward.
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Your entire spoiler: + Show Spoiler +
is ALL fluff. What does that entire spoiler consist of? All it accomplishes is summarizing past events. If that is your point-of-view, it hasn't changed anything.
I have a strong feeling you copied that excuse from Marvel.
You accuse me of jumping on blubb having not voiced suspicious of him.
let's add some context:
the vast majority of my posts occur in the evening for me and will nearly all lie in an 8 hour timeslot.
So early day1 i felt was largely wasted and i was not enjoying going through lot's of posts about nothing.
I returned to a divided and leaderless thread with what i viewed as a very small chance of lynching scum. So i tried to make the best of the situation and lynch BM (a lurker). I offered my opinion on what was being discussed.
I began my posting on day 2 (not including the hurried message in the early hours of the morning) by addressing the points raised against me. Whilst reading through them i looked over a number of players including blubbdavid. Almost immediately after i posted my defence SA asked me for my thoughts on blubb so i shared what i was suspicious of. I do not explicitly say "this is scummy" but i do highlight things that are.
After i seeing people cite reasons that i had already responded to and ask questions that were already answered and deliberately miss the point i grew frustrated. Angry, even. I looked at filters and what did i find? A bunch of inactives! Scoundrels that signed up and didn't really intend to play. People who offered little. People who offer almost nothing. People that are hard to analyse. But i made my scumreads. Johnnywub who was uncharacteristically watching the thread like a hawk but staying silent. And Blubbdavid who voted with questionable motivations.
So after responding to the points raised against me i wrote up what i had on Johnnywub and went to sleep. I woke up to find that the thread had moved at a snails pace, Johnnywub had no votes and DoYouHas had a case on Blubb, the main point of which was that blubb was posting as if he knew that i was town. This i something that i had wondered at and questioned in thread having looked at another of blubb's posts.
let's add some context:
the vast majority of my posts occur in the evening for me and will nearly all lie in an 8 hour timeslot.
So early day1 i felt was largely wasted and i was not enjoying going through lot's of posts about nothing.
I returned to a divided and leaderless thread with what i viewed as a very small chance of lynching scum. So i tried to make the best of the situation and lynch BM (a lurker). I offered my opinion on what was being discussed.
I began my posting on day 2 (not including the hurried message in the early hours of the morning) by addressing the points raised against me. Whilst reading through them i looked over a number of players including blubbdavid. Almost immediately after i posted my defence SA asked me for my thoughts on blubb so i shared what i was suspicious of. I do not explicitly say "this is scummy" but i do highlight things that are.
After i seeing people cite reasons that i had already responded to and ask questions that were already answered and deliberately miss the point i grew frustrated. Angry, even. I looked at filters and what did i find? A bunch of inactives! Scoundrels that signed up and didn't really intend to play. People who offered little. People who offer almost nothing. People that are hard to analyse. But i made my scumreads. Johnnywub who was uncharacteristically watching the thread like a hawk but staying silent. And Blubbdavid who voted with questionable motivations.
So after responding to the points raised against me i wrote up what i had on Johnnywub and went to sleep. I woke up to find that the thread had moved at a snails pace, Johnnywub had no votes and DoYouHas had a case on Blubb, the main point of which was that blubb was posting as if he knew that i was town. This i something that i had wondered at and questioned in thread having looked at another of blubb's posts.
is ALL fluff. What does that entire spoiler consist of? All it accomplishes is summarizing past events. If that is your point-of-view, it hasn't changed anything.
After i seeing people cite reasons that i had already responded to and ask questions that were already answered and deliberately miss the point i grew frustrated.
I have a strong feeling you copied that excuse from Marvel.
On May 09 2012 10:11 marvellosity wrote:
Yes, for example the much rehashed katina argument, and frustrated at the state of the game.
Yes, for example the much rehashed katina argument, and frustrated at the state of the game.
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I think my point here is that i made the decisions to defend myself and to push my reads.
Yes, if people have read through your filter and read every single one of your posts they'd see how much effort you put into defending yourself and how little effort you put into active scum hunting.
Pushing your reads? Up to this point the only people you have pushed was BM and blubb. You did not push your own read, and you pushed blubb only after DYH made his case and it was obvious the blubb lynch was supported by other people.
#3
I feel that that post paints Johhny in a pretty damning light, and that his response to it painted him in a worse light. Maybe i should have added a vote or written that he is scum a few times for emphasis. I judged that my vote was likely to put a lot of people off of voting for Johnnywub, but that my analysis without a vote might be looked at a little more objectively. I also don't like voting halfway through the day but i prefer to vote towards the end when then has been more information available to aid my decision.
Your entire excuse here is addressed by spoiler p2
#4
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kenpachi is pretty unreadable. Either you kill him of early, hope a vig shoots him or lynch him if you are sure that everyone else is town. He has a very anti-town playstyle. But lynching him is basically saying "i don't have any scumreads let's just kill this guy cus he is anti town. It's okay on day1 if your desperate. But past that you shouldn't be lynching him and pushing him over players that look scummy is somewhere between bad and anti-town since it is avoiding scumhunting. I would always call somebody out for a throwaway vote like that.
For reference^
But lynching him is basically saying "i don't have any scumreads let's just kill this guy cus he is anti town.
That is EXACTLY what happened with BM.
It's okay on day1 if your desperate.
And this is your justification for pushing the BM lynch but hard-defending KP...
But past that you shouldn't be lynching him and pushing him over players that look scummy is somewhere between bad and anti-town since it is avoiding scumhunting. I would always call somebody out for a throwaway vote like that.
I completely disagree with this. Avoiding scumhunting? BS. I didn't feel that the lynch candidates at that time weren't convincingly scummy and the cases against them weren't strong. I looked for an alternative that I felt was scummier, and guess what! My read was right! I would hardly call my actions "avoiding scumhunting". If anything, that is exactly what you are guilty of.
I would always call somebody out for a throwaway vote like that.
Did you? Nope. You pressured Froggynoddy into switching his vote, and that was it.
#5
BM wasn't even playing and i hope you understand why i tend to leave BM around (see point 4). So his comment is of little to no value.
As for Blubb, well i did vote for him didn't i?
what hurt me was that when he said that i posted my case against him while he was away, before posting i checked his post times and saw that he had been online at around the time i was posting.
As for Blubb, well i did vote for him didn't i?
what hurt me was that when he said that i posted my case against him while he was away, before posting i checked his post times and saw that he had been online at around the time i was posting.
I don't understand why you tend to leave BM around ? point 4 is your excuse for hard-defending KP and makes no mention of BM. I understand your reasons for wanting to get rid of him (they were the same reasons that I felt) but that in no way explains why you typically leave him around. His comment is valuable in that it highlights a difference in your gameplay.
As for blubb, well you weren't the only one who voted him? 8 other people voted him as well. And out of the people voting him, he felt you were scum.
Grush is the first time you're pushing your own read this entire game.
TL;DR you're scum and your points do not convince me otherwise.
