Mini Mafia IV - Page 5

Of course I was laying low seeing as all the active kids kept dying first

On January 21 2011 05:22 ShoCkeyy wrote:


So we actually had a chance in the end to win as a town? But that didn't happen either way.

On January 21 2011 05:23 chaoser wrote:


Staying low doesn't help the town. I wasn't in that game but is active players were being killed off by mafia, I don't think that's a bad thing, it just means the active players are getting somewhere with what they were saying. The point of the game isn't to stay alive but to help town win. I'd take my death over inactivity that leads to town loss any day.

On January 21 2011 02:53 Hesmyrr wrote:
Since everyone seems to be piping up, I shall take on the role of Devil's Advocate. Note that the current situation is 8-3. Assuming nothing happens with town keep failing lynches:

8-3
6-3
4-3

That is 2 ML available to eliminate 3 mafia. If vig misfires the available mislynch decreases to 1. Holy jeez, I'd love to have been stuck with F11 setup with these odds. Random bantering aside I am questioning that whether it is wise to religiously throw away one of these valuable lynch opportunity in banner of activity. Of course inactivity is hugely anti-town (thus a scumtell) but it should not be given greater weight than ordinary accusation even in day 1. At least the latter would help draw towns discussion more toward post of actual players.

On January 21 2011 01:47 Pandain wrote:
Hello everyone its Pandain the Panda, hoping he won't ruin town again for everyone. And as Pandain always learned when young, the best way to get from A to B when theres a brick wall in front of you is to not go around the wall, but keep on running into it until it breaks!

In other news, just some general thoughts:
1.Blue's dont claim unless you are about to be lynched. If you find a red, don't claim. Instead prepare an analysis on him and get him lynched without claiming. If you find green, and they're about to be lynched, express support for him, but don't claim unless its near lylo.

2.I agree we should not let inactives survive in this town. But considering we've hardly started, "inactives" is hardly the word to call them. So let's get things moving.

##Vote Nemesis



What is this? Clarify this for me, because as I understand right now you just said we should lynch scum, and then say we should lynch inactives.

Plus I want to see more contribution.

Come on people, pressure is pointless if only one person votes. Let's get things moving.

I haven't seen you post anything useful at all so far other than excuses for being inactive and useless one-liners.

On January 21 2011 06:11 Nemesis wrote:

Yes, I did say that we should lynch scum, but day 1, it is very hard to actually lynch scum because we don't have a lot of information available to us. Which is why I suggested that we should lynch inactives for the first day.

As it has been said before, inactivity is a big problem which we do not want to see in this game. Lynching inactive first day encourages people to participate more in the discussion and be more active which makes it is easier to find mafia, as the more discussion we have as there is more information available to analyze.


##Vote Shockeyy
I haven't seen you post anything useful at all so far other than excuses for being inactive and useless one-liners.

On January 21 2011 06:50 Pandain wrote:
I don't like this post either. Let's take a look at it.

First off, lynching inactives itself is a bad strategy. I shall be lenient to him because even I make this mistake, but lynching inactives is a horrible thing to do.

When we say "lynch inactives", we mean "lynch lurkers." We want to differentiate the lurkers from the inactives/bored.

If we say we'll lynch the inactives, the inactives won't respond.
IF we say we'll lynch the inactives, the bored won't really respond.

Only the mafia will respond if we say lynch the inactives. Which is why you never want to end up LYNCHING an inactive, just pressuring all of them to post.

Furthormore, he just repeated information without actually adding anything to it. Finally he goes for the "easy" kill.

This is typical mafia to me.

I now offer Nemesis as a viable option for a real lynch.

On January 21 2011 07:11 chaoser wrote:


I disagree with this post. While lynching inactives is suboptimal as a strategy when compared to lynching mafia, I wouldn't say it's a bad strat. There have been games where inactivity lost town the game. And I'm not talking about people being active and then becoming inactive. I'm talking about inactives staying inactive. Town doesn't want to waste lynches on them past day one and then you get like 3-4 inactives just sitting around at the end of the game making it almost impossible to weed out the last 2-3 mafia that are hiding within their ranks.

Also, you're talking about semantics. Whether we mean inactive or lurker, inactive means they ain't posting and so from the point of view of the town, it's the same thing, a bad thing. Its like our policy to lynch millers. Doesn't matter if they are real mafia or not, if someone comes up as red, its better to lynch them than not to.

Saying we're going to lynch inactive might not do anything but voting and pressuring them will get them to post so your point on that is wrong too. If they are truly "inactive", as in they are away from the comp, they won't come defend themselves and we can get a sense of whether they are "inactive" or a "lurker" as you put it.

I'm actually weary of people who go "omg he wants to lynch inactive, he's mafia!" Everyone knows what people mean when they say lets lynch inactive day one, it's just a way to generate discussion. Most games start with people saying lynch inactive. And most of the time they're not mafia. Why did you jump to quickly to say he's mafia? We got a whole day left and not everyone has said anything yet.

I disagree with this post. While lynching inactives is suboptimal as a strategy when compared to lynching mafia, I wouldn't say it's a bad strat.

On January 21 2011 07:11 chaoser wrote:


I disagree with this post. While lynching inactives is suboptimal as a strategy when compared to lynching mafia, I wouldn't say it's a bad strat. There have been games where inactivity lost town the game. And I'm not talking about people being active and then becoming inactive. I'm talking about inactives staying inactive. Town doesn't want to waste lynches on them past day one and then you get like 3-4 inactives just sitting around at the end of the game making it almost impossible to weed out the last 2-3 mafia that are hiding within their ranks.

Also, you're talking about semantics. Whether we mean inactive or lurker, inactive means they ain't posting and so from the point of view of the town, it's the same thing, a bad thing. Its like our policy to lynch millers. Doesn't matter if they are real mafia or not, if someone comes up as red, its better to lynch them than not to.

Saying we're going to lynch inactive might not do anything but voting and pressuring them will get them to post so your point on that is wrong too. If they are truly "inactive", as in they are away from the comp, they won't come defend themselves and we can get a sense of whether they are "inactive" or a "lurker" as you put it.

I'm actually weary of people who go "omg he wants to lynch inactive, he's mafia!" Everyone knows what people mean when they say lets lynch inactive day one, it's just a way to generate discussion. Most games start with people saying lynch inactive. And most of the time they're not mafia. Why did you jump to quickly to say he's mafia? We got a whole day left and not everyone has said anything yet.

On January 21 2011 07:16 Pandain wrote:

Did you just say this? :p


Again, we want to pressure people to POST, not lynch the inactives. There is a HUGE difference between those two. We want to pressure the inactives and lynch the lurkers, not lynch the inactives themselves. Remember, mafia aren't inactive, they're lurking.

Inactives are those who are bored, who don't care about the game, who don't have time.
Lurkers are the ones who are watching yet don't contribute.

Differentiating between those will make or break it for the town. We can't just lynch all the inactives and hope for the best.


As of right now, I want Shockkey to post, but am giving him time. Meanwhile there is someone who might be scum and slipped up. There's no point not pressuring the person at the very least.

On January 21 2011 07:16 Pandain wrote:

Did you just say this? :p


Again, we want to pressure people to POST, not lynch the inactives. There is a HUGE difference between those two. We want to pressure the inactives and lynch the lurkers, not lynch the inactives themselves. Remember, mafia aren't inactive, they're lurking.

Inactives are those who are bored, who don't care about the game, who don't have time.
Lurkers are the ones who are watching yet don't contribute.

Differentiating between those will make or break it for the town. We can't just lynch all the inactives and hope for the best.


As of right now, I want Shockkey to post, but am giving him time. Meanwhile there is someone who might be scum and slipped up. There's no point not pressuring the person at the very least.

Did you just say this?
I disagree with this post. While lynching inactives is suboptimal as a strategy when compared to lynching mafia, I wouldn't say it's a bad strat

##Vote Shockeyy
I haven't seen you post anything useful at all so far other than excuses for being inactive and useless one-liners.

On January 21 2011 07:39 GGQ wrote:
Whether or not everyone has posted has nothing to do with whether or not Nemesis's posts are scummy. Pandain was right to call him out.

On January 21 2011 06:11 Nemesis wrote:

Yes, I did say that we should lynch scum, but day 1, it is very hard to actually lynch scum because we don't have a lot of information available to us. Which is why I suggested that we should lynch inactives for the first day.

As it has been said before, inactivity is a big problem which we do not want to see in this game. Lynching inactive first day encourages people to participate more in the discussion and be more active which makes it is easier to find mafia, as the more discussion we have as there is more information available to analyze.


##Vote Shockeyy
I haven't seen you post anything useful at all so far other than excuses for being inactive and useless one-liners.

On January 20 2011 22:08 Nemesis wrote:
@Jackal I wouldn't say that lynching actives is a big mistake. I wasn't paying attention to what happened in XXXVI, but we should lynch scum, and mafia is not always inactive.

And I guess back to the usual first day topic. Lynching inactives. Since lynching a scum is very hard in the very first day. Lynching inactives would be a very good start as it would prevent mafia from lurking.

I'm going to wait a bit for people to talk since the game has just started.

On January 20 2011 22:30 Nemesis wrote:

Duh, of course lynching the most active player day 1 is not the best idea ever (I suggested lynching inactives), but I am saying that we shouldn't be afraid to lynch active players.

We shouldn't focus too much on what blues should do. We don't know what blue roles there are and blues will do what they think is best anyways. We should just focus more on scumhunting than whatever blue plans.

On January 21 2011 06:11 Nemesis wrote:

Yes, I did say that we should lynch scum, but day 1, it is very hard to actually lynch scum because we don't have a lot of information available to us. Which is why I suggested that we should lynch inactives for the first day.

As it has been said before, inactivity is a big problem which we do not want to see in this game. Lynching inactive first day encourages people to participate more in the discussion and be more active which makes it is easier to find mafia, as the more discussion we have as there is more information available to analyze.


##Vote Shockeyy
I haven't seen you post anything useful at all so far other than excuses for being inactive and useless one-liners.