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With 16 alive, it is 9 to lynch. Day 2 ends at 9PM ET/10 KST Sunday August 29th/August30th KST
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Southrawrea(1) Pandain zeks(4) LSB bumatlarge Radfield JeeJee With 16 alive, it is 9 to lynch. Day 2 ends at 9PM ET/10 KST Sunday August 29th/August30th KST | ||
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Pandain
United States12984 Posts
On August 29 2010 06:01 Radfield wrote: Yup, a doctor should claim if they saved him or not. It's worth it to keep our role cop. Agreed, doctor should claim as it will be worth saving our role cop, or catching a potential serial killer/traitor(?). Unless of course zeks explains that quote of his, in which case I may be able to help him based on my own decision. | ||
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SouthRawrea
Canada608 Posts
I'm back and we seem to have gotten ALOT of information. On August 29 2010 05:11 zeks wrote: Or Subversion also picked a defensive role and overlapped with me. On August 29 2010 05:39 zeks wrote: Fine. I'm role cop. First of all. What? 2) If Subversion was unable to attain a role due to overlap, then that means he is neither aligned with Chaoser or LSB as he would not choose a role that they had. It is then safe to assume that Chaoser+LSB may be SK with powerful role, traitor town or town with the role they are supposed to have. The most likely are the latter two. We can ALMOST determine however that they did not start as mafia. (read more for more details) 3). It is not entirely possible to rule out mafia having went for the top 3 roles. It is strange however that they went to try for the top 3 with one of their members who had a very LOW number. The chances of a player at 7 and a player at 20 getting the Compulsive Vig would be roughly equal as no one other than the primary role pickers and Hesmyrr would pick that. I am inclined to believe that Subversion wouldn't try it unless: On August 25 2010 12:08 Subversion wrote: Lol, haven't followed any plan. Only had 20 mins to pick a role soooooo... Didn't do a whole lot of reading, lol. A key piece of evidence. He had but 20 minutes to try and read over the rules, roles, players and send in a PM on time. He also says he hadn't read much. With a draft number of 7 and not much knowledge of the town's plan he could very well want to pick one of the 3 top roles. Thus we can safely rule out that Subversion had done any deep planning for his role pick. If you were mafia and had a chance at picking a role without any prior knowledge to what anyone else was picking what would you pick? Of course a typical pro-mafia role. I don't know about you guys but it took me half an hour to properly understand draft rule. He wasn't in PYP Mafia 1 either. I now find it hard to believe that Subversion picked role cop. As well, this slightly changes the idea I had pointed out in #2 as only Chaoser was active at the time of Subversion's swap into the game which means that if LSB was mafia he wouldn't have much of a chance to send a PM to Subversion. This also make it easier to believe that Radfield, Pandain and Citi.zen are town-aligned. TL;DR Subversion picked without thinking, probably didn't pick rolecop. Doesn't clear Zeks. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On August 29 2010 06:20 LSB wrote: We know he's rolecop, I was the one to prove it. The problem is if he is town aligned. Zeks, if you are town aligned, please do not disclose Fishball's Role. Fishball could be thinking of a strategy, and it is always bad for Mafia to know more blue roles than necessary. How did you prove it? You picked before him. This hinges on Subversion of picking RoleCop, not PoD/BadSanta/CompVig...If one of those roles picked traitor, then he he could of picked any of those, albeit be wrong. | ||
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SouthRawrea
Canada608 Posts
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On August 29 2010 06:33 ~OpZ~ wrote: How did you prove it? You picked before him. This hinges on Subversion of picking RoleCop, not PoD/BadSanta/CompVig...If one of those roles picked traitor, then he he could of picked any of those, albeit be wrong. Nevermind. I understand. You would of been on the same team, how would you two of picked the same roles....Shit...I need to think about this a little more. I still feel Zeks is something like SK. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On August 29 2010 06:32 SouthRawrea wrote: TL;DR Subversion picked without thinking, probably didn't pick rolecop. Doesn't clear Zeks. On August 29 2010 05:08 LSB wrote: Subversion is Mafia, the mafia would probably PM him, telling him to take Rolecop. Their not going to let some random dude go "LOL! I don't care about this game". So that means the Rolecop is above Subversion | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On August 29 2010 06:33 ~OpZ~ wrote: How did you prove it? You picked before him. This hinges on Subversion of picking RoleCop, not PoD/BadSanta/CompVig...If one of those roles picked traitor, then he he could of picked any of those, albeit be wrong. On August 29 2010 04:52 LSB wrote: Here's what I think. It seems so Obvious, I'm facepalming myself for not noticing it. Subversion Picked Rolecop. I am 100% certain, he is mafia, Rolecop is THE town role here. We should have already figured that out This is confirmed because Zeks claims that he has a role that the mafia wants dead. But was blocked, so mafia knows that Zeks is Rolecop Mafia tries to kill Zeks But! Zeks is actually Serial Killer. So it doesn't work!! Zeks CANNOT claim, because we know that a doctor couldn't have protected him. ##VOTE: Zeks Because he is Serial Killer. Note, SK will not work for us, he is decidedly anti town | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
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SouthRawrea
Canada608 Posts
On August 29 2010 06:36 ~OpZ~ wrote: Nevermind. I understand. You would of been on the same team, how would you two of picked the same roles....Shit...I need to think about this a little more. I still feel Zeks is something like SK. Please elaborate. I was reading this and my thought pattern was all jumbled from my earlier post. I would like to know how he's proven. Also. 4 mafia visited Zeks either that or 4 other roles. I find it hard to believe that 4 different investigative roles visited Zeks without a single mafia doing so. If it was only mafia visiting and what he's saying about being saved is true, there would be 5 visitors. So if 4 others really did visit him, 1 doctor, 2 of this (tracker, alignment cop, bullet bill), SK and 1 watcher(doesn't count in the original 4) as I find it hard to believe even JOAT would visit him. Poor play/luck on the part of power roles if this is true. Either that or Compulsive Vig shot him but then rastaban would claim that so Zek's claim would be true correct? Thus CV did not shoot. He couldn't anyways. It was night 1. We can then conclude that Zeks was either converted or never visited by mafia. | ||
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SouthRawrea
Canada608 Posts
LSB he had 20 minutes to pick. Read the entire post. He said he picked without a plan. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On August 29 2010 06:46 SouthRawrea wrote: LSB he had 20 minutes to pick. Read the entire post. He said he picked without a plan. Oh of course that explains everything! </sarcasm> Dude, he's mafia. Mafia lies | ||
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Pandain
United States12984 Posts
Actually, while I'm going to believe you unless a doctor claims he protected Zeks, your whole "proof" relies on that Subversion picked rolecop. Given only 20 minutes to pick, its not unlikely mafia was unprepared for a replacement/was not on on that time. I wouldn't be surprised if subversion, trying to find a good mafia role and unaware of the plan(correct?), picked either CV(duh) Prince of darkness(good mafia role) or even bad santa(at the very list interesting/grants KP) But again, I'm going to vote for zeks because 1.He claimed rolecop 2.He won't explain that quote 3. A doctor hasn't said he protected him. I'll wait till probably ~7 tommorow just to give time for a doctor to claim, but until then my mind's set on voting Zeks. | ||
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SouthRawrea
Canada608 Posts
On August 29 2010 06:47 LSB wrote: Oh of course that explains everything! </sarcasm> Dude, he's mafia. Mafia lies Dude even if he had all the time since he joined he had 2 hours. He was a last minute replacement. He didn't even think he would be able to join until Ace gave him the thumbs up right before day 1. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On August 29 2010 06:53 SouthRawrea wrote: Dude even if he had all the time since he joined he had 2 hours. He was a last minute replacement. He didn't even think he would be able to join until Ace gave him the thumbs up right before day 1. To give you perspective on how much can happen in 2 hours. 2 hours ago, I figured out that Zeks was Rolecop SK | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
On August 29 2010 06:45 SouthRawrea wrote: Please elaborate. I was reading this and my thought pattern was all jumbled from my earlier post. I would like to know how he's proven. Also. 4 mafia visited Zeks either that or 4 other roles. I find it hard to believe that 4 different investigative roles visited Zeks without a single mafia doing so. If it was only mafia visiting and what he's saying about being saved is true, there would be 5 visitors. So if 4 others really did visit him, 1 doctor, 2 of this (tracker, alignment cop, bullet bill), SK and 1 watcher(doesn't count in the original 4) as I find it hard to believe even JOAT would visit him. Poor play/luck on the part of power roles if this is true. Either that or Compulsive Vig shot him but then rastaban would claim that so Zek's claim would be true correct? Thus CV did not shoot. He couldn't anyways. It was night 1. We can then conclude that Zeks was either converted or never visited by mafia. this post makes no sense | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
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SouthRawrea
Canada608 Posts
4 people visited Zeks. Any mafia actions show as all mafia visiting to the watcher. (Including ones that die by day) Thus if mafia visited Zeks, then no townies other than the watcher visited Zeks correct? Simple. However, Zeks said he was shot and protected. He couldn't have been shot by Vig as they can't shoot. He claims he was protected by the doctor. If he was protected by the doctor and shot by the mafia, the watcher would've seen 5 people visiting Zeks which is NOT the case. Thus it was either a combination of SK and town roles that visited Zeks or only mafia. The fact that Zeks is still alive means that he was either CONVERTED by mafia or was never visited by them. That better? | ||
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
On August 29 2010 07:11 SouthRawrea wrote: 4 people visited Zeks. Any mafia actions show as all mafia visiting to the watcher. (Including ones that die by day) Thus if mafia visited Zeks, then no townies other than the watcher visited Zeks correct? Simple. However, Zeks said he was shot and protected. He couldn't have been shot by Vig as they can't shoot. He claims he was protected by the doctor. If he was protected by the doctor and shot by the mafia, the watcher would've seen 5 people visiting Zeks which is NOT the case. Thus it was either a combination of SK and town roles that visited Zeks or only mafia. The fact that Zeks is still alive means that he was either CONVERTED by mafia or was never visited by them. That better? If the SK shot Zeks then the mafia shot their own guy in Subversion. As JeeJee said, you make no sense. | ||
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SouthRawrea
Canada608 Posts
On August 29 2010 06:59 LSB wrote: To give you perspective on how much can happen in 2 hours. 2 hours ago, I figured out that Zeks was Rolecop SK 2 hours Maximum though and we shall see about that claim. Realistically he was on for about 1/4 of that time on this particular thread as he was inactive for much of the game anyways. 30 mins is maybe just enough time to be able to go through the rules, roles, plan and all the posts in the game. | ||
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